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The One
22nd October 2013, 12:20
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Well what are your thoughts on the below is the Venus project Paradise or Oblivion.Now i was always told and call me paranoid lol that anything with the name project in the title is some sort of military involvement.But hey i could be wrong i have so many times before.


The Venus Project is an organization that proposes a feasible plan of action for social change, one that works towards a peaceful and sustainable global civilization. It outlines an alternative to strive toward where human rights are no longer paper proclamations but a way of life.

We operate out of a 21.5-acre Research Center located in Venus, Florida.

When one considers the enormity of the challenges facing society today, we can safely conclude that the time is long overdue for us to re-examine our values and to reflect upon and evaluate some of the underlying issues and assumptions we have as a society. This self-analysis calls into question the very nature of what it means to be human, what it means to be a member of a "civilization," and what choices we can make today to ensure a prosperous future for all the world's people.

At present we are left with very few alternatives. The answers of yesterday are no longer relevant. Either we continue as we have been with our outmoded social customs and habits of thought, in which case our future will be threatened, or we can apply a more appropriate set of values that are relevant to an emergent society.

Experience tells us that human behavior can be modified, either toward constructive or destructive activity. This is what The Venus Project is all about - directing our technology and resources toward the positive, for the maximum benefit of people and planet, and seeking out new ways of thinking and living that emphasize and celebrate the vast potential of the human spirit. We have the tools at hand to design and build a future that is worthy of the human potential. The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture. What follows is not an attempt to predict what will be done, only what could be done. The responsibility for our future is in our hands, and depends on the decisions that we make today. The greatest resource that is available today is our own ingenuity.

While social reformers and think tanks formulate strategies that treat only superficial symptoms, without touching the basic social operation, The Venus Project approaches these problems somewhat differently. We feel we cannot eliminate these problems within the framework of the present political and monetary establishment. It would take too many years to accomplish any significant change. Most likely they would be watered down and thinned out to such an extent that the changes would be indistinguishable.

The Venus Project advocates an alternative vision for a sustainable new world civilization unlike any social system that has gone before. Although this description is highly condensed, it is based upon years of study and experimental research by many, many people from many scientific disciplines.

We propose a fresh, holistic approach - one that is dedicated to human and environmental concerns. It is an attainable vision of a bright and better future, one that is appropriate to the times in which we live, and both practical and feasible for a positive future for all the world's people.

The Venus Project calls for a straightforward approach to the redesign of a culture, in which the age-old inadequacies of war, poverty, hunger, debt, environmental degradation and unnecessary human suffering are viewed not only as avoidable, but totally unacceptable.

One of the basic premises of The Venus Project is that we work towards having all of the Earth's resources as the common heritage of all the world's people. Anything less will simply result in a continuation of the same catalog of problems inherent in the present system.

Throughout history, change has been slow. Successive groups of incompetent leaders have replaced those that preceded them, but the underlying social and economic problems remain because the basic value systems have gone unaltered. The problems we are faced with today cannot be solved politically or financially because they are highly technical in nature. There may not even be enough money available to pay for the required changes, but there are more than enough resources. This is why The Venus Project advocates the transition from a monetary-based society to the eventual realization of a resource-based global economy.

We realize to make the transition from our present culture, which is politically incompetent, scarcity-oriented and obsolete, to this new, more humane society will require a quantum leap in both thought and action.

An Obsolete Monetary System
The money-based system evolved centuries ago. All of the world's economic systems - socialism, communism, fascism, and even the vaunted free enterprise system - perpetuate social stratification, elitism, nationalism, and racism, primarily based on economic disparity. As long as a social system uses money or barter, people and nations will seek to maintain the economic competitive edge or, if they cannot do so by means of commerce they will by military intervention. We still utilize these same outmoded methods.

Our current monetary system is not capable of providing a high standard of living for everyone, nor can it ensure the protection of the environment because the major motive is profit. Strategies such as downsizing and toxic dumping increase the profit margin. With the advent of automation, cybernation, artificial intelligence and out sourcing, there will be an ever-increasing replacement of people by machines. As a result, fewer people will be able to purchase goods and services even though our capability to produce an abundance will continue to exist.

Our present, outmoded political and economic systems are unable to apply the real benefits of today's innovative technology to achieve the greatest good for all people, and to overcome the inequities imposed upon so many. Our technology is racing forward yet our social designs have remained relatively static. In other words cultural change has not kept pace with technological change. We now have the means to produce goods and services in abundance for everyone.

Unfortunately, today science and technology have been diverted from achieving the greatest good for reasons of self-interest and monetary gain through planned obsolescence sometimes referred to as the conscious withdrawal of efficiency. For example, the U. S. Department of Agriculture, whose function is presumed to be conducting research into ways of achieving higher crop yields per acre, actually pays farmers not to produce at full-capacity. The monetary system tends to hold back the application of these methods that we know would best serve the interests of people and the environment.

In a monetary system purchasing power is not related to our capacity to produce goods and services. For example, during a depression, there are computers and DVD's on store shelves and automobiles in car lots, but most people do not have the purchasing power to buy them. The earth is still the same place; it is just the rules of the game that are obsolete and create strife, deprivation and unnecessary human suffering.

A monetary system developed years ago as a device to control human behavior in an environment with limited resources. Today money is used to regulate the economy not for the benefit of the general populace, but for those who control the financial wealth of nations.

Resource Based Economy
All socio-economic systems, regardless of political philosophy, religious beliefs, or social customs, ultimately depend upon natural resources, i.e. clean air and water, arable land and the necessary technology and personnel to maintain a high standard of living.

Simply stated, a resource-based economy utilizes existing resources rather than money and provides an equitable method of distributing these resources in the most efficient manner for the entire population. It is a system in which all goods and services are available without the use of money, credits, barter, or any other form of debt or servitude.

Earth is abundant with plentiful resources; today our practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter productive to our survival. Modern society has access to highly advanced technologies and can make available food, clothing, housing, medical care, a relevant educational system, and develop a limitless supply of renewable, non-contaminating energy such as geothermal, solar, wind, tidal, etc. It is now possible to have everyone enjoy a very high standard of living with all of the amenities that a prosperous civilization can provide. This can be accomplished through the intelligent and humane application of science and technology.

To better understand the meaning of a resource-based economy consider this: if all the money in the world were destroyed, as long as topsoil, factories, and other resources were left intact, we could build anything we choose to build and fulfill any human need. It is not money that people need; rather, it is free access to the necessities of life. In a resource-based economy , money would be irrelevant. All that would be required are the resources and the manufacturing and distribution of the products.

When education and resources are made available to all people without a price tag, there would be no limit to the human potential. Although this is difficult to imagine, even the wealthiest person today would be far better off in a resource based society as proposed by The Venus Project. Today the middle classes live better than kings of times past. In a resource based economy everyone would live better than the wealthiest of today.

In a resource based society, the measure of success would be based on the fulfillment of one's individual pursuits rather than the acquisition of wealth, property and power.

The Choice Is Ours To Make
Human behavior is subject to the same laws as any other natural phenomenon. Our customs, behaviors, and values are byproducts of our culture. No one is born with greed, prejudice, bigotry, patriotism and hatred; these are all learned behavior patterns. If the environment is unaltered, similar behavior will reoccur.

Today, much of the technology needed to bring about a global Resource Based Economy exists. If we choose to conform to the limitations of our present monetary-based economy, then it is likely that we will continue to live with its inevitable results: war, poverty, hunger, deprivation, crime, ignorance, stress, fear, and inequity. On the other hand, if we embrace the concept of a global resource-based economy , learn more about it, and share our understanding with our friends, this will help humanity evolve out of its present state.

The Venus Project - Future By Design (FULL)

Published on Sep 3, 2012
The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture. There are many people today who are concerned with the serious problems that face our modern society: unemployment, violent crime, replacement of humans by technology, over-population and a decline in the Earth's ecosystems.

As you will see, The Venus Project is dedicated to confronting all of these problems by actively engaging in the research, development, and application of workable solutions. Through the use of innovative approaches to social awareness, educational incentives, and the consistent application of the best that science and technology can offer directly to the social system, The Venus Project offers a comprehensive plan for social reclamation in which human beings, technology, and nature will be able to coexist in a long-term, sustainable state of dynamic equilibrium.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IJf52Ir10xA

Spiral
22nd October 2013, 12:35
The one thing Fresco never seems to have got his head around is human nature, most visionaries share this form of tunnel vision.

As things are getting worse at an increasing rate in terms of human psycho/spiritual development how is a "u" turn to be brought about ?

How can the sick paradigm that humanity is stuck in be dissolved without causing widespread psychosis ?

Sorry but my wife had the news on over lunch, the sight of C of E "vicars" that look like they work in porn, followed by the "Ode to Osama" they are reading out with a straight face has left me needing a lay down in a dark room with a cold towel on my brow.

The One
22nd October 2013, 12:45
Sorry but my wife had the news on over lunch, the sight of C of E "vicars" that look like they work in porn, followed by the "Ode to Osama" they are reading out with a straight face has left me needing a lay down in a dark room with a cold towel on my brow.

hope this helps bro
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgtrg0V4VH1qfjej5o1_400.gif

Sometimes things do look to good to be true but we have to start somewhere and try to evolve passed this state we have been in for so long.If a u turn does not happen then what

cheers

Wolf Khan
22nd October 2013, 13:19
In cabal symbolism venus is the same as being the female lucifer..Statue of liberty has something a lot to do with demonic symbolism. So if they are calling this the Venus project then see it in reverse what ever they say is the opposite to what is actually happening.

I trust nothing in the media no matter its stated intention, after I hear something I listen to it, invariably it has a dark energy signature which they can't erase, just feel it, then see it, ask for guidance from your higher selves and then listen to it again, feel it out again, and then decide. Truly give it the work out of its life. Then decide, this time with knowing. No matter the circus involved with this, it is dark, as black as stygian darkness, they think light can't penetrate there darkness, well lets show them light is brighter, more real, than their false light which in truth is utter and total darkness.

Jade
11th May 2015, 21:51
I fully believe in The Venus Project and would see many of its principles come to pass in this civilization. I did not see a link to their website so I am posting it here. For those who have not become familiar with this group it is worth reading. https://www.thevenusproject.com/en/

Jade
11th May 2015, 21:57
P.S., @ The One, you should consider linking this thread to others on your forum, for example Future Talk. I feel as though the more people who know about this and the others our there, the more people will start to realize other options on how to transform our civilization into one that is self sustaining which also offers each individual the ability to truly live.

sjoshua
12th May 2015, 00:21
Their concept sounds (mostly) excellent, in theory!

I would suggest reading through the FAQ for those with more questions, since there are a ton covered: https://www.thevenusproject.com/en/faq

I appreciate that they plan to move away from any sort of government, but one nuance I note from reading through it is a heavy reliance on technology for organizing and overseeing in lieu of a government. I would question whether the technology utilized to oversee would have to be highly refined, and if so that would risk it's own becoming 'conscious', per se, and then 'abusing' its power in the same way humans do today... :) (such as roughly the concept for the movie: I, Robot)

I guess this is quite the 'pickle' to solve in the overall scheme, since without a bunch of enlightened humans/entities to replace technology through mind powers, there would have to be something in place to keep society this organized and developed on the scales they are talking about.

Although I would love to see something similar to this play out, my vote is still for decentralized, natural living: i.e. going back to tree forts, cabins and tee-pee's - and farming while living in a self-sustained manner that would not require a monetary system. I believe this would require a serious de-programming of the greed and inequality mindset that is currently ingrained in most of today's societies though, which might be the one of the harder hurdles to overcome until the new generations are brought up with a new mentality. Imagine if everyone performed the job they loved and desired, merely because they love it and find every moment of it rewarding and blissful. There would still be doctors/healers, but without money they would be available to all, and their 'pay' would be, when they were hungry they could go to the farmer and he'd give them some food. When the farmer is sick, the doctor/healer returns the pro bono service. It would require a complete 180 in regards to 'earning' things, and instead have a focus on sharing and compassion, and assuring ALL are taken care of instead of my/me/self.

Getting back in touch with the Earth and all of our original neighbors (trees, plants, animals) instead of moving to a higher reliance on technology and (potentially?) even less interaction with nature than we see today would be more ideal IMHO. I am under the impression our 'purpose' here is to reconnect with all around us - not just human but plant, animal, element, planet, etc. - and remember that we are all part of the same 'one'. I 100% believe this intended pursuit of connecting with all as one would be much easier for each entity to achieve if our current system was torn down (...which is designed to be a large distraction and to keep us constantly busy), and the Venus Project sounds like a HUGE leap in the right direction, although maybe not an ideal end.

Consider this: If everyone on the planet was living in such a way that they put everyone ELSE's needs BEFORE theirs, then instead of everyone having ONE person thinking of themselves as first priority, EVERYONE would have 7 BILLION people thinking of them as first priority :) This is the mindset to embrace.

The One
12th May 2015, 21:42
Throughout our history, humanity has set its sights on seemingly impossible goals, and found a way to realize those goals against all obstacles. This awe-inspiring potential is on full display in the opening moments of the new documentary The Choice is Ours, as retired NASA astronaut and professional astronomer Jeff Hoffman testifies to the glories of space travel.

With unparalleled willpower and ingenuity, we crafted the tools and technologies to explore what was once limited to the fabrications of Hollywood myth makers. But even from atmospheres beyond our own, the earthbound challenges we have yet to conquer remain in full view. Having manned multiple space flights over the course of many years, this reality became apparent to Professor Hoffman as he gazed upon the surfaces of our planet from his capsule. "There's a view of the impact that humans have had on our planet, and that can be pretty scary," he reflects.

The most pressing issues facing humankind today - from climate change to widespread crime to financial calamity to the rapidly depleting natural resources of our planet - take center stage in The Choice is Ours, but they're approached from a refreshingly unique perspective. This elegantly produced film promotes our capacity to invoke positive change in the world, and considers the behavioral and cultural shifts which must take place to make this possible.

The Choice is Ours is a production of The Venus Project, an organization devoted to uncovering innovative new approaches to problem solving. The organization's founder, 97-year old futurist Jacques Fresco, serves as the principal guide throughout the film's narrative. With convincing and articulate insight, Fresco argues for a reconsideration of what is possible in each of us, and by extension, the world at large. In examining whether our behaviors are determined by human nature, or by absorbing the environment which surrounds us, the film offers clues as to how we can begin to rebuild the reality of our planet from the ground up.

If defeating self-doubt and apathy were the rules which governed our species decades ago, would we have ever invented the technology to venture into outer space? By applying the same intensity of positive focus to global pursuits, we can improve the view of our planet, even from the stars.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PizMuqZUWbY&feature=youtu.be

The One
12th May 2015, 21:43
Paradise or Oblivion is a documentary created by The Venus Project. This documentary details the root causes of the systemic value disorders and detrimental symptoms caused by our current established system.

This video presentation advocates a new socio-economic system, which is updated to present-day knowledge, featuring the life-long work of Social Engineer, Futurist, Inventor and Industrial Designer Jacque Fresco, which he calls a Resource-Based Economy.

The film details the need to outgrow the dated and inefficient methods of politics, law, business, or any other "establishment" notions of human affairs, and use the methods of science, combined with high technology, to provide for the needs of all the world's people.

It is not based on the opinions of the political and financial elite or on illusionary so-called democracies, but on maintaining a dynamic equilibrium with the planet that could ultimately provide abundance for all people.

Paradise or Oblivion, by The Venus Project, introduces the viewer to a more appropriate value system that would be required to enable this caring and holistic approach to benefit human civilization.

This alternative surpasses the need for a monetary-based, controlled, and scarcity-oriented environment, which we find ourselves in today.

This is NOT the "major motion picture" that The Venus Project is working towards but rather is a documentary to introduce the aims and proposals to new people


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KphWsnhZ4Ag

The One
12th May 2015, 21:44
Future by Design shares the life and far-reaching vision of Jacque Fresco, considered by many to be a modern day Da Vinci.

Peer to Einstein and Buckminster Fuller, Jacque is a self-taught futurist who describes himself most often as a generalist or multi-disciplinarian - a student of many inter-related fields.

He is a prolific inventor, having spent his entire life (he is now 90 years old) conceiving of and devising inventions on various scales which entail the use of innovative technology.

As a futurist, Jacque is not only a conceptualist and a theoretician, but he is also an engineer and a designer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwJaLFMf7IA

modwiz
12th May 2015, 23:13
As long as The Venus Project is seen as a viable option among others, it sits well with me. I think Thrive may emerge quite energized soon. I can feel it in The Force as a high probability latency. The days/weeks ahead will see how that Force perception goes.

mac
13th May 2015, 18:45
I fully believe in The Venus Project and would see many of its principles come to pass in this civilization. I did not see a link to their website so I am posting it here. For those who have not become familiar with this group it is worth reading. https://www.thevenusproject.com/en/"The Venus Project advocates an alternative vision for a sustainable new world civilization unlike any social system that has gone before"
The spirits and reincarnates of Mu and Atlantis weep openly. :D

mac
13th May 2015, 18:52
Future by Design shares the life and far-reaching vision of Jacque Fresco, considered by many to be a modern day Da Vinci. Peer to Einstein and Buckminster Fuller, Jacque is a self-taught futurist who describes himself most often as a generalist or multi-disciplinarian - a student of many inter-related fields. He is a prolific inventor, having spent his entire life (he is now 90 years old) conceiving of and devising inventions on various scales which entail the use of innovative technology.

As a futurist, Jacque is not only a conceptualist and a theoretician, but he is also an engineer and a designer.I hope he is a master planned unit developer, an environmentalist with permitting capabilities and a financier of repute. Otherwise, he's doomed.

This project is, literally, up the road from a winter home. It is in the middle of nowhere in land lower than Lake Okeechobee which has a tendency to flood the area from time to time. There have been several similar projects some of which received Florida Environmental Department funds. None have come to pass one of which I had peripheral involvement.

These projects are DisnelWorldesq in their perplexities, I wish him all the luck in the multiverse.

grannyfranny
15th May 2015, 04:17
This would work if everyone was chipped, individuality removed and replaced with bee hive mind set.
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grannyfranny
15th May 2015, 04:58
Debate | Peter Joseph v Stefan Molyneux - 23rd 2013 - The Zeitgeist Movement
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jimmer
15th May 2015, 14:54
utopianism is a following, not a plan.

unless and until the human hard drive were to be reset and degaussed, individualism must be accounted for.

no?

grannyfranny
15th May 2015, 16:20
jimmer that says it all perfectly, "utopianism is a following, not a plan."

jimmer
15th May 2015, 16:40
wouldn't it be lovely if the world could be trusted, so we could let are guard down?

until then, we must always be survivors in our rather unsettled, hostile environment.

sounds too harsh?
sounds very realistic?
sounds like a plan?

grannyfranny
15th May 2015, 16:57
Better than being a new human with a turtle shell!Opps, the NWO will put that one on their agenda!

jimmer
15th May 2015, 17:03
yes, who needs a communal hub if we all have shells : )

grannyfranny
24th May 2015, 04:04
THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT is an alternative to the Venus Project. I feel it creates solutions through collaboration rather than ego driven leadership.
Check this video

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