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Exit 0
22nd June 2017, 20:39
I would like to open-up a dialogue into a taboo subject: Soul Harvesting.

Among the bullet points under consideration, are:

• Most channeled messages are the result of Artificially Implanted Telepathy. To agree with this premise, one must first realize that Everything Humanity Has Ever Been Told, Is A Lie.
• This reality is not broken, it is working exactly how it was designed to operate.
• Minority groups of individuals cannot change the system using the Law of Intention. Intention only affects one's personal reality. Changing the Common Reality of Humanity requires a majority consensus.
• We find ourselves dwelling among The Fallen.
• This Reality is a Farming Operation.
• We exist here in a Prison Patrix.
• This Prison Matrix has been operating with designed efficiency since the Dawn of Humanity.
• At certain points, and in great antiquity, a total restart of the system has been triggered.
• This triggering mechanism has always occurred when enough elements of the population have begun to figure-out the system.
• The only way to change the system is to develop an Exit Strategy.

This is just a short list of the points I'm suggesting the readers of this thread consider (and other’s yet to be listed) as foundational to this discussion.

Throughout my tenure, dedicated to researching this subject, I have encountered a wall of human opposition to the points listed above - in addition to many other points which I didn't list. Allow me to suggest, this reaction is an example of self-imposed-compliance to the system.

I didn't come to these conclusions through any conditioning filters. Rather, these conclusions are the result of years of investigation through the study of countless subjects. I'm now within my seventh decade on this planet, and there is much to be said regarding the experience-factor.

Additionally allow me to suggest, hardly anyone in our Common Reality are discussing these points, making the very mention of them a taboo subject.

Finely, I would suggest a caveat:

These conclusions are my own personal observations. I'm seeking no reward for suggesting them, nor am I imposing them on anyone. Every individual is free to accept or reject these analyses as they see fit. Anyone is free to move-on to other threads of interest.

As a general statement, I simply ask not to be personally attacked for offering my opinion.

Exit 0
22nd June 2017, 20:52
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Please Note:
I have attempted to index the Research Resource Material (Comment #3 - below) with a link to the comment where it was used.

Exit 0
22nd June 2017, 20:59
This space is reserved for research references the membership may find useful in understanding the discussion in this Thread.

I. The Research of Wes Penre (To Be Expanded)

1. "Breaking The Endless Cycle of Reincarnation": [See Comment #39 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973526&viewfull=1#post841973526)]
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_conscioushumanenergy34.htm

2. "Souls In The Third Dimension": [See Comment #71 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973686&viewfull=1#post841973686)]

3. "Escape 'Their' TRAP and Set Your Soul FREE":
http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/escape-their-trap-and-set-your-soul-free.html

4. "Synthetic Super Intelligence and the Transmutation of Humankind":
http://wespenre.com/My-Books/Book2-AI/wes_penre___synthetic_super_intelligence_and_the_t ransmutation_of_man__a_roadmap_to_the_singularity. pdf

5. "How to Escape Lucifer’s Afterlife Trap":
http://in5d.com/how-to-escape-lucifers-afterlife-trap/

6. Video - "DO NOT ENTER the TUNNEL":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUz-BfAKo3k

7. Wes Penre' Website:
http://wespenre.com/

8. "The Research of Wes Penre":
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_wespenre.htm#contents

9. The Wes Penre Papers: [See Comment #76 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973708&viewfull=1#post841973708)]

9a. " First Level of Learning - A Journey Through the Multiverse":
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/wespenrepapers-01.pdf

9b. "Second Level of Learning - The Extraterrestrial Manipulation of Mankind":
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/wespenrepapers-02.pdf

9c. "Third Level of Learning - The Rise of the Machine Kingdom":
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/wespenrepapers-03.pdf

9d. "Fourth Level of Learning - Lucifer's Rebellion":
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/wespenrepapers-04.pdf

9e. "Fifth Level of Learning - The Vedic Texts":
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/wespenrepapers-05.pdf

10. "The Dark Road Toward Extinction": [See Comment #43 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973551&viewfull=1#post841973551)]
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/historia_humanidad80.htm

11. "The Death Trap and How to Avoid It" [See Comment #209 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841974888&viewfull=1#post841974888)]
http://www.wespenre.com/Articles/Article_2_Death_Trap_and_How_to_Avoid_It.htm

II. The Research of Robert Stanley: (To Be Expanded)

1. Coast to Coast Interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWnSSTzuG3Q

2, Robert Stanley Interviews Wes Penre in Unicus Magazine:
http://www.unicusmagazine.com/Insightful_Interview.htm

3. Interview - "Demons Are Real":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTA7G4gJOg8

4. Interview - "Enki's Luciferian Agenda": [See Comment #18 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973393&viewfull=1#post841973393)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Y1JoRQmYo

5. "Archons: Exorcising hidden controllers": [See Comment #28 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973445&viewfull=1#post841973445)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frIhzLHHryA&t=209s


III. Other Related Material:
1. "War In Heaven" - by Kyle Griffith
http://www.unicusmagazine.com/PDF/war-in-heaven.pdf

2. "The John Lear Disclosure": [See Comment #29 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973446&viewfull=1#post841973446)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTRFhrAr8us

3. David Icke - "Saturn & The Moon Matrix": [See Comment #29 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973446&viewfull=1#post841973446) and Comment #111.]

(https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973827&viewfull=1#post841973827)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpSqADAur-w

4. John Lear - "The Moon Was Towed Into Position": [See Comment #29 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973446&viewfull=1#post841973446)]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaoBQkT8dHg

5. MICROWAVE WEAPONRY'S USE ON PEOPLE EXPLAINED: [See Comment #32 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973450&viewfull=1#post841973450)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMMEQNnSZIo

6. Robert Morning Sky - "Don't Go Into The Light": [See Comment #50 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973567&viewfull=1#post841973567)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcH62LGSHdg&t=41s

7. Vidio - "Synthetic Telepathy: Your Thoughts Are Not Your Own": [See Comment #53 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973599&viewfull=1#post841973599)]
Take Note: The site will not allow me to load any more videos into this comment. I suggest you follow the link to the comment where the video was used.

TimeLab
22nd June 2017, 21:37
I would like to open-up a dialogue into a taboo subject: Soul Harvesting.

Among the bullet points under consideration, are:

• Most channeled messages are the result of Artificially Implanted Telepathy. To agree with this premise, one must first realize that Everything Humanity Has Ever Been Told Is A Lie.
• This reality is not broken, it is working exactly how it was designed to operate.
• Minority groups of individuals cannot change the system; change requires a majority consensus.
• We find ourselves dwelling among The Fallen.
• This Reality is a farming operation.
• We exist here in a Prison Matrix.
• This Prison Matrix has been operating with designed efficiency since the Dawn of Humanity.
• At certain points, and in great antiquity, a total restart of the system has been triggered.
• This triggering mechanism has always occurred when enough elements of the population have begun to figure-out the system.
• The only way to change the system is to develop an Exit Strategy........

I've read many theories that included many of these points, have long shared your opinion about so called 'channeling', am also leaning towards the farming/prison matrix probability and it's design since 'Dawn' and it's occasional reboot, and am still left with a lot of questions. I'd be very interested in your opinion to a few of these to maybe help set a more detailed foundation so we can all get on the same page before discussing an exit strategy....

-In the first place, what are your beliefs about the nature of a 'soul' and it's origin, 'fallen' from what/where, and I assume you are implying that a soul's 'free will' can be overpowered by some other beings (also with souls?)

-Do you believe 'souls' are eternal no matter what or can they be extinguished OR enslaved eternally?

-So on one hand you are implying that souls really do live a a free will universe because they never lose the power to escape any predators, but on another hand you are implying that escape is not possible individually. So are you saying since the 'Dawn' no one has escaped because a collective never formed strong enough?

-Please clarify why you use the word 'harvesting', what is harvesting, who is doing the harvesting, and are our 'harvester's also battling harvesters of their own... and their own... and their own... where does it stop?

I'll stop there so maybe a collectively agreed upon foundation can be built slowly.
Thank you in advance, and thank you for bringing this up.

Dreamtimer
22nd June 2017, 21:42
I actually really like this. I don't know if you saw it when it was posted earlier on the forum.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zud84EHGic0

It's 22 minutes with subtitles. He explains that the luminous beings who are masters to teach us are not what they seem.

They are parasites that feed off our energy which comes from our hearts. This is a farm. We must be prepared at the moment of death.

We should not go to their light but rather look into our own hearts where our own light is and follow that and then we can escape.

At the halfway point he talks about the energy of the heart and it's potential. He also emphasizes that it's the physical heart energy, not the heart chakra. The heart chakra lines up with the heart whereupon we can see our own luminous being and follow our own light which knows where its true home is.

edit to add: IMO all of your questions are addressed, Timelab.

Exit 0
22nd June 2017, 22:09
Thank you TimeLab.

Once I've had an opportunity to add reference material to Comment #3, most of these questions in your comment will be addressed. For these two specific questions allow me to comment, here.




[snip]
....Do you believe 'souls' are eternal no matter what or can they be extinguished OR enslaved eternally?

There are so many "traps", both within this physical reality, and within the hyperdimensional reality beyond the death experience, that most individuals never make it beyond those traps. It is the intention of this Thread to address many of these traps, so escape will be more possible.



[snip]
....but on another hand you are implying that escape is not possible individually. So are you saying since the 'Dawn' no one has escaped because a collective never formed strong enough?


I'm not suggesting that a "mass escape" is necessary. I'm simply suggesting the Common Reality of Humanity is externally manipulated to such an extent that change can only come to that Common Reality with a Majority Understanding.

Aianawa
22nd June 2017, 22:38
You say most channellings not all are implanted as such and then go onto say everything humanity has been told is a lie, can you clarify this please ?.

Exit 0
22nd June 2017, 22:52
^^^^

The two statements are not in conflict, Aianawa, if one considers everything within the Common Reality of Humanity has been skillfully manipulated by an hyperdimensional species of entities. See Robert Stanley's C2C video listed in Comment #3 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973340&viewfull=1#post841973340). Consider the possibility that the parasites Robert is talking about ARE the Masters of the Patrix that imprisons Humanity, here on this planet.

If one studies this material (many links to be added) long enough, one will realize that the Human Species (Homo Sapiens Sapiens) were created by these Demons to participate in the War In Heaven.

Allow me to also suggest, the reason, "At certain points, and in great antiquity, a total restart of the system has been triggered", relates to the Luciferian Agenda, that is to use the Human Species as Lucifer's Army.

Please take note: I use the term "Lucifer" only as a commonly understood concept.

Aianawa
22nd June 2017, 23:04
Got it, the orion war/s are to be talked about ?, this gives two options, the other from your view imo so far, is , this human experiment is a petri dish for potential get out of war instead of fear war or create war or stay slaved or you know, all the other petri dishes.

Exit 0
23rd June 2017, 01:19
^^^^

Aianawa, I have expanded the Reference Resources in Comment #3 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973340&viewfull=1#post841973340), so the members can do some foundational research on their own.

I will be adding more reference material in the future, but I believe there's enough, now, to answer all your questions.

Dumpster Diver
23rd June 2017, 03:10
Yes, I've read about this "reality"...a couple shades darker than most. I'm not throwing rocks here, but have we any evidence of this Soul Harvesting Matrix?

Btw, thanks for the posted links. A good reference thread.

Aianawa
23rd June 2017, 03:38
Cheers, is there higher fractal ( higher self and vibrational and or dimensional fractals ) material ? and if so could you link or direct me to that facet of material please, thanks. This facet hugely important for me to achieve clarity.

TimeLab
23rd June 2017, 07:32
Sorry I didn't check out any references yet - though I notice many I've read before. I happened to take a new look at something else I'd read before first.

Don Juan from “The Active Side of Infinity” Carlos Casteneda
"We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos, and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile; helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so……They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, gallineros, the predators rear us in human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them.”

So many people have cited Don Juan's ‘they gave us their mind’ statement as significant from the same chapter, referring to the archons/predators he called flyers. I too read it long ago, but can honestly say I didn’t really understand it as fully until now.

I especially didn’t understand Don Juan’s solution to escaping the Archons, and if true, this thread’s question may have been answered. Honestly, I suspected it had to be an individual, not group effort. Further, it might be this simple and all the other complex theories are unnecessary.... and too much thinking!

I strongly encourage anyone to read the statement and solution in longer context as reproduced halfway down this page… http://www.unicusmagazine.com/skyfish.htm

But here’s a summary and some relevant quotes…

The Solution: The only way to stop being food for Archons is to run them off with inner silence which allows your ‘coat of awareness’ to regrow.

The Archons/Flyers first eat at the ‘glowing coat of awareness’ surrounding an infant’s cocoon of life energy and throughout childhood leaving only a fringe enough for a person to stay alive by adulthood. The fringe of awareness remaining is the ‘epicenter of self reflection’ and it generates edible ‘flares of awareness’ when we ruminate about things with our mind.

The game is to learn mental discipline. When you stop rumination of any kind frequently called meditation - stopping fearing, doubting, worrying and even what you might think is benign hoping, dreaming of success and expecting - you stop flaring - producing food… “a process begins in which the fleeing of the flyers' mind becomes routine until one day it flees permanently.” It is only then that your ‘coat of awareness’ is able to begin to regrow back to ‘natural size’.

(So many people throughout history have obviously sensed some crucial importance of meditation but I wonder if it’s prime purpose of reminding oneself how to stop being food all the time has been mostly missed.)

When your ‘glowing coat of awareness’ has been restored you are once again able to rejoin the communal energy (you don’t need other people to have joined you to defeat the Archons, you can only free yourself by your own thought stopping) "The flyers' mind flees forever when a sorcerer succeeds in grabbing on to the vibrating force that holds us together as a conglomerate of energy fields. If a sorcerer maintains that pressure long enough, the flyers' mind flees in defeat. And that's exactly what you are going to do; hold on to the energy that binds you together.”

The cruel irony is that then the real work begins as you find yourself in totally unfamiliar territory!
"That's the day when you have to rely on your own devices which are nearly zero. A sad day indeed! There's no one to tell you what to do. There's no mind of foreign origin to dictate the imbecilities you're accustomed to.”

I’m so glad this thread prompted me to find this today. Doesn’t really answer what the nature of soul or consciousness exactly is, but it answers enough of my questions to feel like I know the right 24/day mind choices to make and the best thing I can do is stop thinking about it any further. Or, regarding souls, there’s nothing more necessary to know than that 'beings of awareness' “… are the means by which the universe becomes aware of itself.”

Makes me wonder, does making the best of our escape progress this lifetime really need to be any more complex than working toward perfecting stopping food-producing thinking... while loving, appreciating and enjoying the amazing planet?

Aianawa
23rd June 2017, 08:34
Welcome to top ten posts of 2017 TimeLab, lol imo

heyokah
23rd June 2017, 09:18
This morning I found a video on YouTube (or it found me?), called "Project Soul Catcher", in which somebody was talking about a NAVY Project, which is not a program to learn how to capture the Soul, as they already can.

I couldn't check-out any references yet, but will offer it anyway. For what it's worth....

From the video info:

The project is to create more Spiritual Confusion/Sexual Confusion on the Planet. They are violating every natural law to do this. Remember, William Cooper spoke of Project Sigma?
Well the creatures are Clones controlled by AI Programs. They have been performing Genetic Modifications on Humans to keep us in Controllable Frequencies. Their efforts are beginning to fail, Nature always finds a way.

The latest program is to destroy the Natural Process and convince Humans that Cloning is good and can be used to create life for Homosexual and Lesbian couples.

But Clones never wake up. They are activated using Nano-Technology and AI programs with thoughts copied from Humans.

http://youtu.be/eSZ8tlMCkPw

Exit 0
23rd June 2017, 11:53
Cheers, is there higher fractal ( higher self and vibrational and or dimensional fractals ) material ? and if so could you link or direct me to that facet of material please, thanks. This facet hugely important for me to achieve clarity.

I've added more research material to Comment #3, Aianawa. (See I.9.a) Scroll-down to Page 27, "(Science Section) Paper #1: Exploring the Unum, the Building Blocks of the Multiverse". Perhaps you will find an answer to your question within this paper.

Exit 0
23rd June 2017, 12:03
[....snip] To see TimeLab's Comment #13, click on the Forwarding Icon

Thank you for taking an interest in this Thread, TimeLab.

I will be building the Reference Library found in Comment #3 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973340&viewfull=1#post841973340) as the Thread develops. Check-back regularly for new material.

I might add to your comment, Robert Stanley refers to Carlos Casteneda's work often.

P.S. Your unicusmagazine.com link is broken.

Exit 0
23rd June 2017, 12:15
[....snip]

To see heyokah's Comment #13, click on the Forwarding Icon

Thank you for bring-up the subject of Artificial Intelligence (AI), heyokah.

AI is the goal of the Luciferian Rebellion, wherein creating a robotic entity that has a soul is the ultimate objective. Enki (Lucifer) is building an army to assist in the War In Heaven. This is the foundational reason for trapping Souls within this Matrix. Keep in mind, time has no significance in the Multiverse.

Additionally, this Soul Trapping Agenda includes a Feeding Operation for those hyperdimensional entities who manage the enterprise, wherein the Soul's Essence is fed upon after becoming trapped by the Tunnel Of Light, and before being recycled back into a new body (reincarnation). This explains why most individuals don't recall their past lives.

Research Reference [II.4]:
"Enki's Luciferian Agenda":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Y1JoRQmYo

TimeLab
23rd June 2017, 15:00
Link fixed, thank you (my bolding screwed it up). Here it is again too... http://www.unicusmagazine.com/skyfish.htm That long Casteneda chapter quote is on a page first discussing Stanley.

I appreciate the intriguing references that are volumes of words but I hope to hear your own summaries and thoughts on specific subjects and on Don Juan's solution for the question posed in this thread's title. It obviously isn't a physical battle we are in to escape the prison, it's mental. If so, Don Juan proposes there is only one way out. Once you learn what it is, what else is there to know or do?

Exit 0
23rd June 2017, 15:35
^^^^

It's been so many years since I read Castaneda, TimeLab, I couldn't specify exactly what his suggestions were (without looking it up).

After pursuing the subject of "Getting-Out" for the many intervening years, since the Don Juan Books, I have discovered that there are so many unsuspecting traps in place, the average pilgrim has little chance of getting beyond the deceptions.

From my own personal perspective, I truly believe following the Golden Light is the answer. Gold is the color of Love. Love is the only way out of the Matrix. If one were to turn-away from the White Light Tunnel, I'm certain a Golden Light Beacon would soon appear. All souls are eternally free, once released from the Matrix.

DNA
23rd June 2017, 15:41
Look I'm not trying to front on Robert Stanley, I think his stuff is top notch and I absolutely get the feel he is telling his truth which is always difficult.
That being said I have my own experiences for personal validation in terms of what is going on here, and no offense to Stanley, but my personal experiences seem to be more extensive than what Stanley has to offer.
I've listened to Stanely's Enki story, and it is a pretty cool story, but it is a very limited interaction and he has sprouted a very elaborate explanation for such a limited interaction.
I've had a intuitive connection to the astral plane and it's inhabitants since I was a teen.
I had my first interaction with an earth bound ghost at the age of 17, and I helped him move on as we interacted in the astral realm.
When I was 28, through meditations I began to be able to see earthbound spirits when I activated my third eye.
Thus began a series of interactions where I learned about them, eventually helping them to crossover.

These interactions took a giant leap in 2005 when I was about 33, I began to have interactions with beings neither dead nor from here.
These beings were absolutely on the level, and they pounded home the fact that no one should be worshiped and that no one should be thought of as angelic or god like, that we need to keep our discerning abilities, keep things in perspective and never absolutely never subjucate our will to anyone else's.
My having read Castaneda helped here, because they keep pounding home the need for detachment. Detachment from new information and detachment from the old information that had been used to illicit emotional responses and thus energetic mind control.

I've entered a realm not to often seen.
The astral realm is such because we have astral bodies that can perceive and interact in it.
But we have other energetic bodies that are capable of perceiving and interacting in other realms.
These realms are accessible and tangible places if we have the energetic body capable of doing so.
But we do not, and for a reason, those energetic bodies are fed on and bled, continually in a state of dilapidated atrophy and no longer accessible by us.
These energetic bodies are mortal coils, just as our recognized and habituated physical body is and they die when our physical body dies.
The mistake folks make here in this whole line of prison planet thinking is mistaking these mortal energetic coils for our soul. They are not.
Our soul may enter the prison planet through the tunnel of light, but it also leaves the prison planet through the tunnel of light.
Coming to the prison planet is a conscious choice made as a soul to come here and learn knowing full well the limitations that will be placed on us.

DNA
23rd June 2017, 15:50
If one were to turn-away from the White Light Tunnel, I'm certain a Golden Light Beacon would soon appear. All souls are eternally free, once released from the Matrix.

Just for the record I've seen this tunnel open on a multitude of occasions, and for myself the light coming through the tunnel that opened was always pinkish.
I'm of the opinion there is no trap in place and there is nothing to worry about upon dying and trusting the invitation to step into the light from your loved ones who have already passed.

I'm in 100% agreement to the feelings and situation described by Pam Reynolds in her NDE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k&t=5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k&t=5s

TimeLab
23rd June 2017, 15:53
^^^^

It's been so many years since I read Castaneda, TimeLab, I couldn't specify exactly what his suggestions were (without looking it up)......
His solution is that inner silence quits producing food for your captors and begins building the strength of your only option to fend off and finally escape for good. I spelled it out in Post #13. Please read it for the reasoning. I don't know if Don Juan also said you can bypass all this earthbound mental strength building and escape at death with the right choice.

just want to add: all this said, the Casteneda books were fiction and Don Juan was not real. That's not to say the author did not have insight that sure resonated with a lot of people but Casteneda may also have had nefarious connections to 60's social engineering planners. https://webbrain.com/brainpage/brain/6FBA86B0-0C57-9FCA-5CF9-D742DA541AAA#-4410

DNA
23rd June 2017, 15:58
Sorry I didn't check out any references yet - though I notice many I've read before. I happened to take a new look at something else I'd read before first.

Don Juan from “The Active Side of Infinity” Carlos Casteneda
"We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos, and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile; helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so……They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, gallineros, the predators rear us in human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them.”

So many people have cited Don Juan's ‘they gave us their mind’ statement as significant from the same chapter, referring to the archons/predators he called flyers. I too read it long ago, but can honestly say I didn’t really understand it as fully until now.

I especially didn’t understand Don Juan’s solution to escaping the Archons, and if true, this thread’s question may have been answered. Honestly, I suspected it had to be an individual, not group effort. Further, it might be this simple and all the other complex theories are unnecessary.... and too much thinking!

I strongly encourage anyone to read the statement and solution in longer context as reproduced halfway down this page… http://www.unicusmagazine.com/skyfish.htm

But here’s a summary and some relevant quotes…

The Solution: The only way to stop being food for Archons is to run them off with inner silence which allows your ‘coat of awareness’ to regrow.

The Archons/Flyers first eat at the ‘glowing coat of awareness’ surrounding an infant’s cocoon of life energy and throughout childhood leaving only a fringe enough for a person to stay alive by adulthood. The fringe of awareness remaining is the ‘epicenter of self reflection’ and it generates edible ‘flares of awareness’ when we ruminate about things with our mind.

The game is to learn mental discipline. When you stop rumination of any kind frequently called meditation - stopping fearing, doubting, worrying and even what you might think is benign hoping, dreaming of success and expecting - you stop flaring - producing food… “a process begins in which the fleeing of the flyers' mind becomes routine until one day it flees permanently.” It is only then that your ‘coat of awareness’ is able to begin to regrow back to ‘natural size’.

(So many people throughout history have obviously sensed some crucial importance of meditation but I wonder if it’s prime purpose of reminding oneself how to stop being food all the time has been mostly missed.)

When your ‘glowing coat of awareness’ has been restored you are once again able to rejoin the communal energy (you don’t need other people to have joined you to defeat the Archons, you can only free yourself by your own thought stopping) "The flyers' mind flees forever when a sorcerer succeeds in grabbing on to the vibrating force that holds us together as a conglomerate of energy fields. If a sorcerer maintains that pressure long enough, the flyers' mind flees in defeat. And that's exactly what you are going to do; hold on to the energy that binds you together.”

The cruel irony is that then the real work begins as you find yourself in totally unfamiliar territory!
"That's the day when you have to rely on your own devices which are nearly zero. A sad day indeed! There's no one to tell you what to do. There's no mind of foreign origin to dictate the imbecilities you're accustomed to.”

I’m so glad this thread prompted me to find this today. Doesn’t really answer what the nature of soul or consciousness exactly is, but it answers enough of my questions to feel like I know the right 24/day mind choices to make and the best thing I can do is stop thinking about it any further. Or, regarding souls, there’s nothing more necessary to know than that 'beings of awareness' “… are the means by which the universe becomes aware of itself.”

Makes me wonder, does making the best of our escape progress this lifetime really need to be any more complex than working toward perfecting stopping food-producing thinking... while loving, appreciating and enjoying the amazing planet?

I appreciate the time it took you to find these quotes.
I'm in complete agreement with the statements you have provided.
And I will also add that I think it impossible to defeat these forces in our physical lifetime.
I often get a good laugh when folks talk about archons with a false sense of pride and such as they discuss them with the absolute conviction that "they" are not a personal problem but a problem for others.
I'm here to tell you that each and everyone of us are in full harvest mode by these entities all of the time.
Escape is more impossible than any physical prison ever invented, and for those who have done the work to get a "real" glimpse of the situation, you will know that we only escape these parasites fully upon death.
Sorry if that sounds pessimistic, but I only intend it as a pragmatic assessment of the situation.

Dreamtimer
23rd June 2017, 17:52
So many people throughout history have obviously sensed some crucial importance of meditation but I wonder if it’s prime purpose of reminding oneself how to stop being food all the time has been mostly missed.

Perhaps it's the way into your own heart where that (golden?) light is.

DNA
23rd June 2017, 20:02
just want to add: all this said, the Casteneda books were fiction and Don Juan was not real. That's not to say the author did not have insight that sure resonated with a lot of people but Casteneda may also have had nefarious connections to 60's social engineering planners. https://webbrain.com/brainpage/brain/6FBA86B0-0C57-9FCA-5CF9-D742DA541AAA#-4410

I hear what you are saying. As a long time Castaneda fan I went through a very long period of hating his guts and completely not believing anything he had done.
This happened as a result of having gone to a seminar held in Northern Arizona, on the Mogollon Rim just north of Payson AZ.
This was the fall of 93' or the spring of 94'.
Anyway the seminar was being held by Taisha Abelar, Florinda Donner and the Chacmools.
It was a camping type weekend seminar thing held in the forest.
I didn't have reservations but I was convinced my personal power would be strong enough to get me a spot.
I was kind of right and kind of wrong.
When I showed up trying to gain entry I was told there were no more spots and I was shit out of luck.
This did not deter me.
I chose a spot about a hundred feet or so from the conference and pitched my tent.
I then walked right into the conference, I was like, if they don't want me here that bad they are going to have to physically remove me.
But as it so happened, after surveying the situation I saw that where they had set up the conference tent/pavilion was about ten feet from a fence which on the other side was national forest, so I simply sat at the fence and watched the conference.
I could hear every single word and Taisha Abelar and Florinda Donner often looked over at me, the members of the conference seemed annoyed with me, probably because they had paid like $500.00 bucks to be there and I was getting the exact same thing for free.
Oh well.
After the first night of the conference was over I was faced with a teensy weensy little dilemma and that was that I had walked to my lovely spot during daylight hours, but it was now night, and we are talking no moon forest night, you couldn't see a damn thing in those woods I had walked through to get to my spot and I might break my leg trying to get back to my campsite.
The Pavillion holding the seminar was fully lit with kerosene generator powered lighting. So faced with the prospect of breaking my leg or trespassing I chose to trespass.
As I climbed the fence and pulled my self over, I landed on the ground and took about twenty steps and there popped Florinda Donner out of the portopotty.
She literally walked right into me and we stood face to face for like five long seconds.
She had a body guard type who motioned like he was going to grab me or something but she motioned for him to stop, and she stood staring at me.
This was my chance to say something to her and converse on some level, but I didn't.
You want to know why?
Because the seminar had disgusted me to a point.
Florinda Donner had been quite the bully with the folks there, and Taisha Abelar had been a mousy little woman who appeared afraid of her own shadow.
It convinced me of what I had suspected all along, and that was that Carlos Castaneda had written both of their books.
Something I still believe to this day. Castaneda had a lot of freaking talent.
I then began school, and in my ENG102 class I wrote a paper titled "the debunking of Carlos Castenda".
The writing of this paper had begun by reading the works of Richard DeMille and Courtney Jay Fikes, both of which have made a living off of debunking Castaneda.
This led to my finding and purchasing the rare and out of print work "In the magic land of Peyote" by Fernando Benitez (https://www.amazon.com/Magic-Land-Peyote-Fernando-Benitez/dp/0446893064)
Through this arduous debunking paper I was doing I came to a strange conclusion, and that was that Castaneda was actually legit.
The book he was stated to have plagerized had absolutely nothing in common with his writings, and the interviews done by DeMille of the Professors at UCLA who knew Castaneda all professed that he would go on long trips to Mexico and come back a completely different person.
Castaneda's wife of whom he left and divorced you would think would be bitter and hate his guts calling him out, but that was not the case, she affirmed that he would go on these long trips to Mexico and come back a changed person.
On top of all of this Castaneda kept to his beliefs, the guy could have been a cultural icon, but he remained quite reclusive, never allowing his picture to be taken.
Purposefully staying out of the public eye, when he could have easily became a cultural guru showing up on every single TV interview spot.

So there you go.
I believe Castaneda is legit.

TimeLab
23rd June 2017, 21:48
I hear what you are saying. As a long time Castaneda fan I went through a very long period of hating his guts and completely not believing anything he had done............

So there you go.
I believe Castaneda is legit.

What a great saga, loved reading it. And how great that you felt forced to switch sides after so much effort. I've been back and forth and feeling resigned to take the fake side, so frankly I'm glad to hear what side you ended up on, I'll join you there until further notice. I was given my first Casteneda book in the 70's by a UCLA anthropology classmate of Casteneda and I vaguely remember that friend telling me about Casteneda's trips to Mexico as he was urging me read it, this was before any controversy too that I was surprised to hear about later, but that's all I personally have to contribute to the debate. I thought there was a big quality drop in the writing tho after Florinda became part of the story and didn't read the rest after that.

Exit 0
24th June 2017, 13:51
Thank you DNA and TimeLab for your excellent analysis of the Castaneda material.

Robert Stanley did an interview with Alfred Webre, and Laura Eisenhower, that highlights his interpretation of Castaneda's work, I found quite intriguing.

Research Reference [II.5]:
"Archons: Exorcising hidden controllers"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frIhzLHHryA&t=209s

Exit 0
24th June 2017, 14:12
Thank you DNA for your perspective on the hyperdimensional (extra-dimensional) phenomenon. It's not my intention to disparage your personal experience. We are all a product of our memories.

In my many years of experience with the subject of hyperdimensional interaction, I've come to the conclusion that, "They Are Very Clever At What They Do".

There is far too much objective evidence suggesting, there is a matrix grid around this planet. A grid related to both the Moon, and Saturn. One can only speculate the purpose of this grid. I suggest it exists for the purpose of Trapping Souls.

Research References [III.2, III.3, & III.4]:
"The John Lear Disclosure ":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTRFhrAr8us
[Note: Pay particular attention to what John says at the 7 minute; 44 second mark.]

David Icke - "Saturn & The Moon Matrix":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpSqADAur-w

John Lear - "The Moon Was Towed Into Position":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaoBQkT8dHg
[Note: Pay particular attention to what John says at the 7 minute; 20 second mark]

DNA
24th June 2017, 15:20
Hi Exit O, I'm well aware of the Moon Saturn relationship, and I think it is extroidinary and weird as well.
John Lear states that there is a soul catcher on the moon. He states that this came from Bob Lazar at Area 51, this from when Bob Lazar had access to something called the yellow book at Area 51. John Lear goes on to say a picture presented by Richard C. Hoagland of the moon shows a 7 mile structure toped with a huge black cube, this in an area of the moon known as the Sinus Medi.
I'm of the opinion that this is the structure related to Saturn, and that it acts to separate the consciousness of man from the rest of the races that visit earth.
I think this device puts the consciousness of man into a time lock of sorts and that this keeps man from accessing his full multidimensionality. We are out of sink, out of dimensional relationship due to other living conscious and aware beings due to this contraption on the moon amplifying energetics from Saturn.
I think this is the reason most aliens do not communicate with man, and if they do communicate with man they have to help wake up the atrophied layers of that human's energy field, and when they do this the human has a hard time remembering the communication once this energetic area goes back to being atrophied again. It's as if the memory of what happened is stored in the awakened layer of the energy body, but once dormant again the memory is difficult to access.
Think of the Shamans who use DMT and are always seeing UFOs as a result.
This is because they are waking up this dormant layer to their energy field, they are perceiving things with newly awakened organs of perception, and they are capable of witnessing something that is quite common in actuality, but normally hidden from our atrophied organs of perception.


Crrow777 has some really good data to look at. But, we will focus on his video of the moon.
Crrow777 has through sheer luck recorded a series of "WAVES".
The Crow has done a decent job of explaining the "WAVE" appears to be a hologram. The purpose of this halogram is to obscure the view during the full moon. The full moon would allow one to view things going on that are apparently being hidden from us.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3axPn65MGM

Crrow777 also talks about information being sent to him from Russia by a guy named Hatti Bow.


The important information is this.
Hatti Bow stated that

Plutark
Arristotle
The Mayans
All talk about a time when the earth had no moon.
Hatti Bow states that the moon we now see arrived around 18,000 years ago.

Hatti Bow also states that the Russians knew about the Halogram on the moon and gave the times to look for it.
Crrow777 was blown away by this.
Most importantly for us, Hatti Bow states that the Halogram on the moon is hiding a giant black cube.

Hatti Bow and the Russians also state that the beings on the moon who are in control of the black cube looked like large black spiders.

The pertinent information regarding Hatti Bow starts at 17:30


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W1xTIYfEaI

DNA
24th June 2017, 15:32
But again, I do not think these devices and or powers keep the soul and or capture the soul, I believe this is all about the parasite/host relationship.
And I think our reincarnating soul makes the conscious decision to come to earth and participate in this parasite/host relationship.
I think it important to note this distinction and our foreknowledge of the situation before we came here.
We knew what we were getting into.
I think this is important to addresse because though I think there is a energetic conspiracy of sorts involved with siphoning our being this does not extend to capturing our immortal soul.
I think it is hard enough to deal with the dark parasitic nature of our universe: we need to know that our immortal souls are protected by a higher more powerfull force than the dark.




The Taittiriya Upanishad describes the five affected bodies with which our untouchable immortal soul resides.


1. Anna Maya Kosha: The body made of physical matter

2. Prana Maya Kosha: The body made of vital energy

3. Mano Maya Kosha: The body of thought energy

4. Vijnana Maya Kosha: The body of higher intelligence

5. Ananda Maya Kosha: The body of mystical awareness

Now, though I don't believe in a soul harvester that sucks down our soul if we let's say walk into the light tunnel upon death, let me clarify that I absolutely think there are mechanisms in place that feed on the residuals of our soul.

It is my belief that this feeding takes place on these extra energy bodies that are associated with our soul, and that these extra energy bodies, though folks are a tad oblivious to them are not the same thing as the soul.
As a matter of fact these aspects atrophy with age and neglect, and in fact die and disintergrate with the body upon death.
I just want to reiterate that the energy bodies are not part of the immortal soul.
They are part of the mortal coil, and they are going to die.

This small but very important difference is very significant to me. And to the point of this thread I think.

Edgar Cayce and many others told of the fact that we are multidimensional beings, and it is to this I am pointing.
It may very well be the case that we are indeed stuck in a matrix of sorts, and that the reason for our limited awareness and atrophied energy bodies is the result of organized forces feeding upon them.


I find this intriguing to no end because of a powerfull vision I once had.
In the vision I had actualized momentarilly one of my atrophied energy bodies.

Which one I do not know, all I know is that when I looked from the eyes of this body I saw not the world we know but a structureless flat plane, a few rolling hills.
And in this world I saw fields of human sized coccoons with humans inside, not physical bodies, but the energy bodies that apparrantly are in fact multidimensional and are kind of in a vegatative state.

And this is the freaky thing, a being was acting as a worker or harvester of sorts, and I described it as a stick man.
The being looked like a humanoid version of the walking stick insect.

If you do not cross over into the tunnel of light, your energy body is going to die, and when that happens you will have no choice but to feed off of the energy bodies of the living.


Entering the tunnel of light has always been termed a enjoyable experience by those who return and tell of the experience, as is the case here with Pam Reynolds. This is the best documented NDE of all time in my experience and helps to illustrate the good in crossing over.

It is my belief that if you do not cross over and in turn become one of these hungry ghosts, you are then more at risk of being recruited by the Demiurge, and basically turned into a shadow being.
I think we are all here to learn through the natural order of reincarnation, and as such we have folks watching out for us that are yes, more powerfull than the demiurge.

I do not think we need to fear the light upon death, it is there to guide us, to embrace us and to welcome us.

Exit 0
24th June 2017, 15:41
Referencing DNA's past several comments.

So then, DNA,

Knowing what you know about the Moon, would you be willing to stipulate that there is a possibility, everything you recall from your hyperdimensional experiences has been telepathically manipulated?

It's common knowledge the Black Ops Government has technology 50 years (at least) beyond what the Mass of Humanity knows. It has been suggested that most of that advanced technology came from hyperdimensional sources. If advanced species of aliens have been using this technology on the Mass of Humanity, since the Dawn of the Human Species, can you calculate the possible implications this has with all Man's documented history?

Here's just one whistleblower's testimony that documents Artificial Induced Telepathy:

Research Reference: [III.5]
Video - "MICROWAVE WEAPONRY'S USE ON PEOPLE EXPLAINED:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMMEQNnSZIo
[Note: Pay particular attention to what Dr. Trower says at the 11 minute; 10 sec. mark]

DNA
24th June 2017, 16:19
You do not know the years of intense meditating it required to reach those places.
If I had woke up one morning and "poof" some of this stuff happened then sure, but my experiences are derived from progressive development. None of the things I talk about happened over night.
Even my very first experiences that I allude to as a 17 year old came as a result of energetic abundance through taoistic martial art practices combined with Castaneda's meditations and gate of power.
Rather than attempt to discredit the witness, you could question me for more data and I could explain how I came to certain experiential data.

Aragorn
24th June 2017, 17:38
Crrow777 has some really good data to look at. But, we will focus on his video of the moon.
Crrow777 has through sheer luck recorded a series of "WAVES".
The Crow has done a decent job of explaining the "WAVE" appears to be a hologram. The purpose of this halogram is to obscure the view during the full moon. The full moon would allow one to view things going on that are apparently being hidden from us.

No offense, Marcus, but have you never thought that those waves might have been an artifact of the video equipment he's using? Because that's exactly what those "waves" are.

Exit 0
24th June 2017, 18:09
Click-on the forwarding icon to see DNA's Comment #33.

I'm not looking for an argument, DNA.

Allow me to point-out that I began my pilgrimage into the hyperdimensional at the age of 14, in the early 60's, with an intense investigation into the work of Edgar Cayce. That lasted for most of my adult life - resulting in my following the work of a countless number of seers, clairvoyants, channelers, remote viewers, and any other name one might apply to the phenomenon. It was in the mid 90's that I finely had the epiphany that All Is Not What It Seems. I'm now 70 years old, with at least 56 years into this investigation.

I can testify, to a number, each of those whom I've studied believed - without exception - they were in contact with a benevolent entity. Some of these individuals having spent their entire lives sourcing dialogue form the hyperdimensional.

If, as I have shown in Comment #29 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973446&viewfull=1#post841973446), and in Comment #32 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973450&viewfull=1#post841973450), there is even a shadow of doubt regarding the benevolence of these hyperdimensional source, one MUST question their own memories of what and where these thoughts are coming from.

One must recognize that we are trapped within a matrix.

"They Are Very Clever At What They Do"

TimeLab
24th June 2017, 18:56
Thank you DNA and TimeLab for your excellent analysis of the Castaneda material.

Robert Stanley did an interview with Alfred Webre, and Laura Eisenhower, that highlights his interpretation of Castaneda's work, I found quite intriguing.

Research Reference [II.5]:
"Archons: Exorcising hidden controllers"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frIhzLHHryA&t=209s

For the record, despite the title "Archons: Exorcising hidden controllers" this interview with Stanley has zero practical suggestions about how to exorcise Archons. Stanley spends most of the time making his case that they are not the grays as John Lear contends. The closest he got to a suggestion was that some progress opportunity was nearing if a large group of people banded together to send some same intention on a special date (don't know when this was recorded but I sense that date has come and gone).

I have a big problem when individuals or nano-miniscule groups on the planet talk as if their something or other mind effort is going to have a major impact on the realities of the other 7 billion on the planet and change something permanently for all for the rest of time.

Exit 0
24th June 2017, 19:10
^^^^

Thanks TimeLab.

I offered that Robert Stanley/Alfred Webre interview, Research Reference , specifically because the discussion at the time (on this Thread), centered around the work of Carlos Castaneda. Robert references Castaneda's work at the beginning of that video.

Robert also speaks of how these archons (he also refers to them as demons) can possess one's consciousness, which is a point that needs emphasizing. I have long contended that our thoughts are being manipulated through the clever use of Artificial Telepathy. With the understanding that all of us have archons/demons attached, it doesn't take a nuclear physicist to figure-out how we are [I]ALL BEING TELEPATHICLY MANIPULATED.

When reviewing any of the source material being presented, please consider the fact that, None of Us Have All the Facts Correct. One must consider years of study, and then formulate an amalgam of what one has learned.


"as if their something or other mind effort is going to have a major impact on the realities of the other 7 billion on the planet and change something permanently for all for the rest of time."

I have, for a long time, stipulated to the understanding that, "In order to have a causal affect on the Common Reality of Humanity, a majority of Humans experiencing that reality, MUST share a common understanding"

In the history of the Human Race, this has NEVER happened, because we are trapped within a matrix where the Common Reality of Humanity has been continuously controlled, hyperdimensionally.

Note To All Members: Please refer-back to the "Points Under Consideration" in the OP of this Thread. (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973338&viewfull=1#post841973338)

DNA
25th June 2017, 02:12
No offense, Marcus, but have you never thought that those waves might have been an artifact of the video equipment he's using? Because that's exactly what those "waves" are.

You need to watch the video.
If the video camera would have been stationary then I can see what you are saying, but the video camera was not stationary, it was moving up and down. So you could see the lunar wave stay on the moon and not be an artifact of the video equipment.
This phenomenon isn't resting with Croww777, it has been duplicated by other amateur astronomers with video equipment.
It has been filmed simultaneously from different locations at the same time.

I understand judging the phenomenon without wanting to invest too much time, but I'm of the opinion that this is a real thing.
I'm personally of the opinion that this seems to be a halogram covering the moon, so that the side that faces us can have the normal activity taking place it is accustomed to without worrying about prying eyes from earthlings.

Exit 0
25th June 2017, 16:26
Did it ever occur to any of us, why we can’t remember our past-life experience?

Very few individuals have a recollection of their past life. It’s been my experience – with the exception of a very few – that most individuals who claim they can remember past lives, have been fooled into that belief, through the use of Artificial Telepathy. Only those with some sort of objective evidence of their experience should be believed.

Now…. don’t misunderstand what I’m saying. There have been legitimate documented incidents of individuals who genuinely do remember their past life experiences. I’m in no way denying this phenomenon.

Speaking metaphorically, the reason we can’t remember our past life experience is because the soul’s “essence” of those experiences has been fed upon, leaving us with no memory of what transpired.

Visualize a scene where all those newly deceased souls are sitting-around the feet of ol’Jehovah (Enki/Lucifer), seated in his throne, singing kumbaya, when one suddenly realizes the main course at the Grande Banquet, Is You !!!

What’s left-over is implanted back into a new body, like a seed, and Off-YOU-GO. For another ride on the Wheel !!!

It’s a farming operation, and eternal souls are the food !!! ….among so many other agenda.

Research Reference [I.1.]:

"Breaking The Endless Cycle of Reincarnation":
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_conscioushumanenergy34.htm

Dumpster Diver
25th June 2017, 16:34
You need to watch the video.
If the video camera would have been stationary then I can see what you are saying, but the video camera was not stationary, it was moving up and down. So you could see the lunar wave stay on the moon and not be an artifact of the video equipment.
This phenomenon isn't resting with Croww777, it has been duplicated by other amateur astronomers with video equipment.
It has been filmed simultaneously from different locations at the same time.

I understand judging the phenomenon without wanting to invest too much time, but I'm of the opinion that this is a real thing.
I'm personally of the opinion that this seems to be a halogram covering the moon, so that the side that faces us can have the normal activity taking place it is accustomed to without worrying about prying eyes from earthlings.

I can confirm other amateur astros seeing and videoing same phenom. Advanced stealth (cloaking) is a feature of the SSP and probably gotten from ET tech. When I worked on stealth for military, we could see tech not too far out that would do such in the late 70s early 80s, then it "went away."

This is all necessary for Prime Directive stuff. You were warned in Star Trek.

Outlander
25th June 2017, 17:40
The biggest problem of humans is that when they're born they have fresh memories of the 'afterlife' - or wherever we are when we're not here - but we can't tell anybody 'cos we can't talk yet. By the time we can we've forgotten all of it - like what happens with dreams.

No wonder babies are crying so much - it's sheer frustration,

DNA
25th June 2017, 20:11
Allow me to point-out that I began my pilgrimage into the hyperdimensional at the age of 14, in the early 60's, with an intense investigation into the work of Edgar Cayce. That lasted for most of my adult life - resulting in my following the work of a countless number of seers, clairvoyants, channelers, remote viewers, and any other name one might apply to the phenomenon. It was in the mid 90's that I finely had the epiphany that All Is Not What It Seems. I'm now 70 years old, with at least 56 years into this investigation.
I agree with you very much that "all is not what it seems".
What do you mean by "pilgrimage into the hyperdimensional"? Do you mean you have experienced the hyperdimensional or do you use this phrase as more of a scholarly look into the subject?


I can testify, to a number, each of those whom I've studied believed - without exception - they were in contact with a benevolent entity. Indeed, I agree with what you are stating here. For me "the 9" comes to mind, as well as "the ashtar command". I agree that there appears to be few if any trust worthy messages coming to us via telepathic and or channeled sources. I've exposed myself to a variety of channeled works and the only one's I'm left giving validity to are The Urantia Book, The Seth Material, The Michael Teachings and Edgar Cayce. It's a pretty short list.



Some of these individuals having spent their entire lives sourcing dialogue form the hyperdimensional. I agree with what you are saying. You are saying that people have spent their entire lives spreading BS. And I agree. I find once a channeled being or source starts using the love and light flowery vocabulary calling people blessed and children that they are 100% BS. Barbara Marciniak was one such person I wasn't sure about, and then I went to go see her in person and sure enough she started using the vocabulary that put the audience into a child ego state if they were agreeing to the rhetoric. I saw right through her scam immediately.
I understand what you are saying.


If, as I have shown in Comment #29 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973446&viewfull=1#post841973446), and in Comment #32 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973450&viewfull=1#post841973450), there is even a shadow of doubt regarding the benevolence of these hyperdimensional source, one MUST question their own memories of what and where these thoughts are coming from.
I understand what you are saying here as well.
I don't really talk about my personal experiences too much because of exactly what you are saying. The vast majority, if not all of the ET contacts are really situations of liars and oppurtunists using advanced technology to take advantage of us.
I had just such an experiencer e-mailing me from PA. I'm sorry to say I wasn't exactly kind, I should have told her what she wanted to hear and ended the dialogue. She was convinced she was in contact with positive ETs and she wanted to elaborate her story to me for some kind of confirmation. I honestly told her that I thought very few ET contacts were beneficial and that there were these planted falsehoods which to the contactee appeared to be real memories called screen memories that made the contactee suspect to say the least. She decided to go on and tell me her story and I gave her my honest feedback. I've never heard from her again because she didn't like my opinion on her situation.
I suppose that is fine. Many contactees are given a messiah complex, as their screen memories lend them to believe they are being downloaded with earth saving information that will be needed in the coming end times.
I'm an adherer to the Karla Turner school of thought, that being abducted can never really be a good thing.



One must recognize that we are trapped within a matrix.
I would make an addendum to this.
We are trapped within a matrix that we willingly participate in deciding to do so before we are born, and that we will escape from when we die.

Exit 0
25th June 2017, 23:16
Thank you for your continuing interest in this very important topic, DNA.

I’m not an experiencer, so when I speak of a “pilgrimage into the hyperdimensional”, I’m speaking solely as an investigator. Additionally, I often refer to anyone on the journey of life, as a “Pilgrim”.

In response to your last comment:


” We are trapped within a matrix that we willingly participate in deciding to do so before we are born, and that we will escape from when we die.”

….Perhaps it’s time for a parable:

Possibly eons of time, and countless lifetimes ago, my only recollection to entering the Patrix was walking through the gate, where the sign read, ”Abandon All Hope, All Ye Who Enter Here”. In my arrogance, I said to myself, “Well…. that doesn’t apply to me”.

Now, I’m trapped here until I figure-out how to get out.

After all, we're all dwelling here among the Fallen.

Of course, I acknowledge it doesn’t work that way for every one of us.

Research Reference [I.10]:
Wes Penre - "The Dark Road Toward Extinction":
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/historia_humanidad80.htm

Dumpster Diver
25th June 2017, 23:46
“My own view is that this planet is used as a penal colony, lunatic asylum and dumping ground by a superior civilization, to get rid of the undesirable and unfit. I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it either.”

― Christopher Hitchens

DNA
26th June 2017, 01:09
Thank you for your continuing interest in this very important topic, DNA.

I’m not an experiencer, so when I speak of a “pilgrimage into the hyperdimensional”, I’m speaking solely as an investigator. Additionally, I often refer to anyone on the journey of life, as a “Pilgrim”.

In response to your last comment:



….Perhaps it’s time for a parable:

Possibly eons of time, and countless lifetimes ago, my only recollection to entering the Matrix was walking through the gate, where the sign read, ”Abandon All Hope, All Ye Who Enter Here”. In my arrogance, I said to myself, “Well…. that doesn’t apply to me”.

Now, I’m trapped here until I figure-out how to get out.

After all, we're all dwelling here among the Fallen.

Of course, I acknowledge it doesn’t work that way for every one of us.

Research Reference [I.10]:
Wes Penre - "The Dark Road Toward Extinction":
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/historia_humanidad80.htm

Here is the rub...
Folks who do not walk into the portal that is offered upon death are devoid of the energetic bodies I have alluded to earlier.
When the physical body dies so too do all of the energetic cocoons associated with housing our soul.
The soul is a fraction of it's totality while in the material realm, but once united with it's greater self on the other side it is much more.

But if you avoid the portal offered upon death,,,
You are choosing to stay in the material world as a soul no longer housed in a body and it's associated energy bodies so there are no energetic transformers of material energy into palatable spiritual energy.
Consciousness requires energy, even as a disembodied soul.
Choosing to not enter the tunnel upon death will mean you will turn into a parasite, a spiritual parasite, a hungry ghost.
Our world is so full of hungry ghosts that they are virtually everywhere.
You ever wonder what the metaphor for the sand man is?
Or the old hag from the old hag syndrome?
Hungry ghosts take particular advantage of living humans at night while they sleep.
They take advantage of your astral body leaving and going into the astral realm while you sleep.
Sometimes they are content to pass through your energy field like a baleen whale collecting plankton from ocean water.
But some will show up in your dreams to coerse more energy out of you and some will even maneuver so as to keep your astral body from aligning correctly, as your astral body aligns returning from it's travels in the astral plane thus creating a sleep paralysis where you are half awake and half asleep and thus more capable of perceiving ghosts so they may terrify you more.

So in conclusion, walk into the light upon death, or become a hungry creepy soul sucking parasite. :)

Like this little guy running around behind this father and daughter, scary stuff. :nails: :p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy8pxq_Fl18

Aianawa
26th June 2017, 01:19
It is difficult for me to consider being trapped or needing to escape and i am being open to this consideration atm while connecting in this thread, i am pretty hardwired to this all being perfect, taking myself into it is not, feels like when i was asleep as such, fear reigns and what ifs reside, happy to reopen to my hard gotten journey for myself to know i chose to be here, then when i go home and its all as you say, i will have been happy while here.

Exit 0
26th June 2017, 02:38
Here is the rub...
Folks who do not walk into the portal that is offered upon death are devoid of the energetic bodies I have alluded to earlier.
When the physical body dies so too do all of the energetic cocoons associated with housing our soul.
The soul is a fraction of it's totality while in the material realm, but once united with it's greater self on the other side it is much more.

But if you avoid the portal offered upon death,,,
You are choosing to stay in the material world as a soul no longer housed in a body and it's associated energy bodies so there are no energetic transformers of material energy into palatable spiritual energy.
Consciousness requires energy, even as a disembodied soul.
Choosing to not enter the tunnel upon death will mean you will turn into a parasite, a spiritual parasite, a hungry ghost.
Our world is so full of hungry ghosts that they are virtually everywhere.
You ever wonder what the metaphor for the sand man is?
Or the old hag from the old hag syndrome?
Hungry ghosts take particular advantage of living humans at night while they sleep.
They take advantage of your astral body leaving and going into the astral realm while you sleep.
Sometimes they are content to pass through your energy field like a baleen whale collecting plankton from ocean water.
But some will show up in your dreams to coerse more energy out of you and some while even maneuver so as to keep your astral body from aligning correctly thus creating a sleep paralysis where you are half awake and half asleep and thus more capable of perceiving ghosts so they may terrify you more.

So in conclusion, walk into the light upon death, or become a hungry creepy soul sucking parasite. :)

Like this little guy running around behind this father and daughter, scary stuff. :nails: :p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy8pxq_Fl18

We’re going to have to agree to disagree on that point, DNA.

When I read what you have written, I hear the regurgitation of dogma from thousands of years of Artificial Telepathic Messaging. Your mantra is exactly NOT what this thread is about.

• You speak of lost souls wandering around WITHIN the PATRIX. That's what a ghost is. That's what a disembodied soul is. This is NOT what I’m speaking of. Everything you have written within this comment is about "choosing to remain within the PATRIX". This Thread is about your Eternal Soul escaping the PATRIX.
• You encourage others to walk into the tunnel of light. All the reference material I’ve offered in this Thread strongly advises against that. The Tunnel of Light is a reincarnation trap. Go into the tunnel, only if you enjoy the reincarnation process. It's all clearly explained in the reference material.
• All of that which you speak in the above comment, is occurring WITHIN the PATRIX

Are you reading the Research Material being offered, or are you just regurgitating the mantras you have been conditioned to repeat by the Archons that whisper into your head? We all have those demons attached.

Aianawa
26th June 2017, 02:46
Have worked with demons, outside and in, scarey stuff till understood, then plain annoying seeing it work through people, self created demons ime and o, know thyself best key and or lock, as knowing where yourself is coming from imo has only two roots, love or fear. One exercise that i used was getting myself to a place of acknowledging i was completely wrong from a place of knowing i was completely right, imo this should be mandatory when doing work with demon energy, inside or out.

Amanda
26th June 2017, 02:53
What an interesting and intriguing thread. I would like to share my personal experiences and thus the thoughts that I believe to be true - for me at least. Everyone has a unique and individual journey - so - I believe that Individuals learn in their own way and in their own time. That said, here are my personal thoughts.

Death Experience - I have a personal connection to what we call a Death Experience. I died in the back of an ambulance. What I experienced was death. It was not a near death experience. No one was there with me - I made the journey alone. That is what Death is - it is the journey we must all take alone. From the moment of our conception and birth we are on a journey towards Death. For me it is now a beautiful memory - well etched into my conciousness. Two words only are needed: Beautiful and Peaceful. I hovered and decided to return. Upon my return was waiting for me - my current Child Abuse Whistleblower journey and it has shaped my life and I am okay with that - I have accepted the challenge without fear or favour.

Hell - Is a creation. Priests from major religions have come forward and declared to our Global Society that the 'churches' invented hell as a control mechanism. When one looks to religion and researches it - the projection of fear and hell with fire and brimstone and endless suffering: I see a control mechanism. I mean no disrespect to anyone who adheres to any particular religion - that is all part of their journey and I am not one to disrespect anyone. I am here merely sharing my personal thoughts that emanate from personal experience.

Planet Earth - Is a giant classroom. I have found that viewing life as a giant Universal Assignment is all I need. Universe and University - hmmm .... I will let readers ponder that connection for the benefit of their individual discernment.

Game of Life - Is what we are involved in just a huge Game of Life??? How we play and the outcomes are individual. I am aware of beam ray technology and indeed a variety of technologies that are available to the cabal/illuminati/whatever and that are systematically used upon People. I will cite one example: Smart Meters that have been attached to individual places of residence, have seen those who dwell therein to become very ill. Once the Smart Meters were removed the health of the People was improved - in some cases almost instantly. Personally I have stated in writing to my particular electricity supplier - I do not ever want a Smart Meter attached to my home.

The other major example is the television: It is quite simply put - Beam Ray Technology. Stand back and look at a room full of People watching the television. They are completely hypnotised. I will admit to still watching television but with an enquiring mind. Have not watched any news for years but I am studying what is happening with regard to television programming and it is not good. I always mute the advertisements as I find them very irritating.

Lack of Fear is the only solution to living a full and interesting Life. I have utilised this particular example before and will utilise it again. The Young Man who stood defiantly and Peacefully in front of a war tank - in Tianamen Square. My understanding is that he was arrested and jailed and subsequently paid with his Life. I have never forgotten him - He is a part of my Consciousness. He seemed to be one person standing firm against a massive military force. He stopped our Global Society and they paid attention. He brought to Us All the plight of life in his country. One person has a lot of power and yes many would yield even more.

The point of the example I cite is to elucidate the fact that one person can make change. One person with one action can alter what happens. The Young Man - who now dwells within my consciousness is proof. I know what I know and as I have stated many times - this does not mean I am right and others are wrong.

Children - I see a paradigm upon this planet called Earth that is structured to focus on Children. They are subjected to Vaccines and Sodium Fluoride and a tightly controlled Education System and hardly have time to learn how to walk and talk - before they are literally 'sucked into' the current paradigm. I see also Children who are gifted and talented in ways that beggar belief. Children and Young Adults felt safe with me and disclosed to me - abuse - I obeyed the law and adhered to my professional training and subsequently had my life destroyed on every level. The destruction of my life - on every level - has only served to tell me I am on the right path. I will not be deterred and I know that a dearth of Fear combined with Proper Education can defeat the most evil of opponents.



The above are just a concise version of what I think and believe to be true. Before you dismiss my comments or me personally - consider these facts: I am without a partner and without family and no one is going to leave me any inheritance. I am completely vulnerable and yet I have accomplished much on my continuing Child Abuse Whistleblower journey. At night when I am about to enter the Dreamstate - all I request is protection and to fill my dreams with information that I need. When I am able to meditate I always see a purple organic living light. I conquer my fears as they come to me and that is all anyone has to do - in order to survive and thrive.

Thank you Exit 0 for commencing a very thought provoking thread. I will visit to read and respect all that is shared here.

Much Respect & Much Peace - Amanda

Exit 0
26th June 2017, 03:26
From a Native America perspective, keeping in mind indigenous people have a strong connect to the Star Beings, here's Robert Morning Sky's suggestion, regarding entering the Tunnel of Light:

Research Reference [III.6]:
Robert Morning Sky - "Don't Go Into The Light":


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcH62LGSHdg&t=41s
[Move the timer over to the 1 minute; 50 second mark]

Note: I'm sorry about the video and sound quality. This is an old link from my library.

It has long been my personal belief that when one turns-around the light that will appear is Golden. Gold is the color of Love, and Love is the only way out of the PATRIX.

Exit 0
26th June 2017, 14:15
Allow me to set the mood to this comment with some music.
Just press the play button, sit-back, relax, and listen to the lyrics....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFhvsLCNIXY

The Gnostics knew about the "Hole In The Garden Wall".

https://s17-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F17%2F69%2F88%2F176988 8c9a6f9b401e9eaf12c7e78ef2.jpg&sp=99006ea25b54eb99e05e572d83328631

My eye of god....
Sumpin' 'bout those big ol' baby-blues. "I don't mean to be crewel, babe, but we're all lookin' a little confused"....
https://jandeane81.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1728&thumb=1&d=1498486466

THE eye of God:

https://s16-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.suwalls.com%2Fwal lpapers%2Fspace%2Feye-of-god-helix-nebula-48629-1920x1080.jpg&sp=b3fc3d13bf617aa6b74c368d81b43cd4

Does any of this help?

DNA
26th June 2017, 15:28
When I read what you have written, I hear the regurgitation of dogma from thousands of years of Artificial Telepathic Messaging. Your mantra is exactly NOT what this thread is about.
You hear what?
You are the one regurgitating what you have read and watched on youtube videos.
I can do the same, but unlike you I can talk from my own personal experiences.
You have no way of defining your message in terms of purity anymore than I do, so you need to check yourself in so far as trying to sanctify your point of view though demonizing everyone else's.
In reality what you are doing is the root of all dogma.
Inject fear and state to folks that your way is the only way and dire consequences will result if your instructions are not adhered to.




Are you reading the Research Material being offered, or are you just regurgitating the mantras you have been conditioned to repeat by the Archons that whisper into your head? We all have those demons attached.


:fpalm:

You are playing the part of an ecclesiastical Christian with your demands that your point of view be adhered to.
I am willing to discuss this situation, and I will attempt to give you insight and point out why your point of view is dangerous in my opinion and dead wrong.

I'm just curious but is there a NDE where someone has adhered to this supposed escape hatch from the Matrix and come back to talk about it?
It just seems so weird that such an archaic point of view has almost no testimony what so ever to back it up.
But on the other hand Pam Reynolds and her NDE of which I shared earlier is the experience that is for the most part universal in terms of NDE.
Doesn't human testimony count for something here? Or is the NDE akin to dinosaur fossils being in opposition to the time line of the Bible?
Did the devil put dinosaur fossils here so that we would go to hell for not believing in the bible's time line?
Did the devil put the classic NDE here so that we would all miss your golden parachute out of the matrix?

Exit 0
26th June 2017, 16:02
^^^^

Had you been paying attention to the possibility that all our thoughts and memories are the result of Artificial Telepathic Manipulation [See Comment #32 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973450&viewfull=1#post841973450)] - just as all the coveted literary works of history are of the same result - you would be more clear on the reason why your earlier video was discounted; all subjective "personal testimony". It's my point-of-view, and I'm entitled to it. ....just as you're entitled to your opinion, DNA.

You've made your point, here in this thread. Those members who resonate with that analysis, are free to matriculate over to whatever Thread there may be, where you are expressing a desire to remain settled within the PATRIX.

For those members who would like more objective evidence that our thoughts are being Telepathically Manipulated Artificially, here's another video for your perusal:

(Keep in mind, if the Black Ops segment of the Deep State has mind control technologies decades ahead of anything the Masses are aware, where do you suppose this technology came from?)

Research Reference [III.7]
"Synthetic Telepathy: Your Thoughts Are Not Your Own":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQBvnT2WEnQ&t=300s

Amanda
27th June 2017, 00:34
While reading through this thread today - these are the thoughts that came to mind. Has anyone ever heard or used this term? 'See You around the traps.'

It has entered my thoughts that if there is indeed a 'Soul Trap' then it is here - on terra firma. There is also the term: The trappings - or - The trappings of life.

People enter into the trap when they buy the latest technology, a bigger television than before, a new car et cetera.

Microchips inside a Human Body or no cash and all transactions/financials/medical/even the front door of Your home - all part of the 'Soul Trap' perhaps????

So, again I will state; If there is a trap or traps - they are already here. I think the real issue is to avoid the traps or at least live the best quality of life You can while in the traps - yes/no/maybe???

Much Respect & Much Peace - Amanda

Exit 0
27th June 2017, 02:23
^^^^

You're quite correct Amanda, the traps are EVERYWHERE, not only in the hyperdimensional realms beyond death.

Most individuals already have a demon (Archon) attached. This concept is so very hard for many to accept, but it explains why so many of us are hyper-susceptible to Artificial Telepathy, i.e., we have been subjected to the influence of these demons (Archons) since birth.... and this has been occurring, historically, all the way back to the Dawn Of Humanity. Homo Sapiens Sapiens are the result of Enki (Lucifer's) genetic manipulation.

There are many who will reject this hypothesis. Only those who are willing to examine themselves in deep retrospect will realize this is so.

TimeLab
27th June 2017, 05:28
From a Native America perspective, keeping in mind indigenous people have a strong connect to the Star Beings, here's Robert Morning Sky's suggestion, regarding entering the Tunnel of Light:..............

Exit 0, I clearly recall Mr. Morning Sky being outed years ago for lying about his Hopi heritage and for many plagiarisms in his content. This is just one summary from 2003 of real Native Americans discussing the issues they had with him. http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=130.0 For the heck of it I visited his current (very impersonal, disingenuous feeling) site and he now completely avoids saying anything about any relatives or who he is at all... on his 'My Family' page, and has been off the scene for a long time now. It's not to say he's all wrong, but I think it's just too treacherous to tread in charlatan waters for nuggets of truth, and once I know I would never promote a phony by citing him as authority. Does new information about a source you trusted make you feel like re-vetting and reconsidering what you have believed or considered verified by him?

Because it's sure feels like your mind is firmly set on who and what you have decided to believe and the case is closed on every subject you listed in the OP. Did you start this thread to spread your gospel or to listen to others and discuss the differences? You also said you've been harshly attacked a lot for your beliefs, but maybe it's more a lot of people with good intentions banging on a thick wall in an effort to be heard.

I think you've brought up a crucial subject in the OP Question and I think DNA especially has made a very compelling case for a number of answers to it. I don't see you taking the time to show an understanding of his reasoning and stating what you see as a flaw before dismissing it outright with no explanation why and telling us to go watch some video. Isn't a discussion forum for discussing?

You have also made some intriguing statements and I'd like to hear your reasoning in your own words. I'm going to try to formulate a post that narrows down an issue and compares points already made to hopefully get an actual discussion going where all sides have a chance to make their case and are listened to and responded to.

For the record, I could care less about my beliefs. Really. I think of them purely as files in file cabinets subject to being replaced if better information arises. I'm continually on alert for flaws in my thinking and am really happy when I discover one or someone points one out because it means I've been freed from wasting any more time going down some wrong road. How about you?

WantDisclosure
27th June 2017, 11:08
From a Native America perspective, keeping in mind indigenous people have a strong connect to the Star Beings, here's Robert Morning Sky's suggestion . . .
Author Len Kasten has taken seriously information from Robert Morning Sky in his book Alien World Order, about which I see an endorsement from Dr. Michael Salla on Amazon:


“In Alien World Order, Len Kasten provides a coherent account of the history and imperialistic activities of Reptilian extraterrestrials on Earth and the Milky Way galaxy over millennia, using the work of Robert Morning Sky, Stuart Swerdlow, Alex Collier, and other primary sources. The scope of Reptilian influence over human elites and society is breathtaking and provides an explanation for many of the historical ills afflicting humanity. Kasten peels back the layers of secrecy even further to reveal the dire situation we collectively face today--where our political leaders are vassals for imperialistic Reptilian aliens--and the need for an informed citizenry to take back their sovereign destiny.” (Michael E. Salla, Ph.D., author)

Amazon.com - Alien World Order (https://www.amazon.com/Alien-World-Order-Reptilian-Conquer/dp/1591432391)

modwiz
27th June 2017, 11:25
People focus where they want to, and the results............

Most indigenous people have their star origins in their oral history but, their focus is Mother Earth/Gaia. That is where they are now and have been for millennia. Only interrupted by people bringing their angry sky god salvationist religions with them to "save" them. The whole soul trap distraction is a historical contrivance and an archontic one at that. Connection to Mother Earth, the living being, is the one subject that needs to be discouraged at all costs, by said religions, and new agey beliefs have been a very successful psy-op that needed to come into play as organized religions lost their hold on the popular consciousness. And, it was the angry god religions that created the fear of death that the ancients did not live with.

Exit 0
27th June 2017, 15:19
Exit 0, I clearly recall Mr. Morning Sky being outed years ago for lying about his Hopi heritage and for many plagiarisms in his content. This is just one summary from 2003 of real Native Americans discussing the issues they had with him. http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=130.0 For the heck of it I visited his current (very impersonal, disingenuous feeling) site and he now completely avoids saying anything about any relatives or who he is at all... on his 'My Family' page, and has been off the scene for a long time now. It's not to say he's all wrong, but I think it's just too treacherous to tread in charlatan waters for nuggets of truth, and once I know I would never promote a phony by citing him as authority. Does new information about a source you trusted make you feel like re-vetting and reconsidering what you have believed or considered verified by him?

Because it's sure feels like your mind is firmly set on who and what you have decided to believe and the case is closed on every subject you listed in the OP. Did you start this thread to spread your gospel or to listen to others and discuss the differences? You also said you've been harshly attacked a lot for your beliefs, but maybe it's more a lot of people with good intentions banging on a thick wall in an effort to be heard.

I think you've brought up a crucial subject in the OP Question and I think DNA especially has made a very compelling case for a number of answers to it. I don't see you taking the time to show an understanding of his reasoning and stating what you see as a flaw before dismissing it outright with no explanation why and telling us to go watch some video. Isn't a discussion forum for discussing?

You have also made some intriguing statements and I'd like to hear your reasoning in your own words. I'm going to try to formulate a post that narrows down an issue and compares points already made to hopefully get an actual discussion going where all sides have a chance to make their case and are listened to and responded to.

For the record, I could care less about my beliefs. Really. I think of them purely as files in file cabinets subject to being replaced if better information arises. I'm continually on alert for flaws in my thinking and am really happy when I discover one or someone points one out because it means I've been freed from wasting any more time going down some wrong road. How about you?

Early in my investigation on this subject, I came across the work of Morning Sky. (If you look at my Comment #50 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973567&viewfull=1#post841973567), it clearly stated, "This is an old link from my library")

Additionally, one can debunk the work of anyone using sources found on the internet. Just look at the work of David Icke, Jordon Maxwell, and nearly every other researcher. Regardless of how they have been debunked, the body of their work still remains compelling. One can glean nuggets of accuracy from anyone, regardless of how others - of differing opinion - have debunked their work.

This Thread is the presentation of information I've discovered in my investigation. These discoveries are rarely discussed. The subject itself is TABOO. Therefore, there is little source material to draw upon.

I've given valid reason why one should be suspicious of ANYONE'S personal testimony. That includes any personal testimony I might give. I try to link source material to most of my comments, thereby validating what is being said. I encourage all members to read the source material.

One should be especially suspicious of personal affidavit that mirrors the dogma of organized religion. Nothing being presented within this Thread comes, remotely, close to mirroring religious dogma. I'll repeat: "THIS IS A TABOO SUBJECT".

As has already been expressed in Comment #53:


"Those members who resonate with that [DNA's] analysis, are free to matriculate over to whatever Thread there may be, where [they] are expressing a desire to remain settled within the MATRIX".


(https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973599&viewfull=1#post841973599)I'm not demanding anyone subscribe to this information. However, I would request, that anyone wishing to come into this thread and disparage the content, would review the source material first. That's the reason it has been presented in Comment #3 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973340&viewfull=1#post841973340), where I've taken care to index the source material to the specific comments where they were used. (a work still in progress)

This Thread is about presenting material that MAY be helpful to those interested in escaping the PATRIX.

If any member's only desire is to debunk the material within this thread, I would encourage them to move-on....

DNA
27th June 2017, 15:19
If any member's only desire is to debunk the material within this thread, I would encourage them to move-on....

Debunking and disagreeing with the wish to continue a discussion are two different things.
I have shown that I understand your point of view, and I disagree in a few areas. I've attempted to dialogue with you and you have reacted in a manner that would lead me to believe you would be happier had I not posted on your thread.
I will do as you ask, but first I'm going to explain why your point of view could be a tad bit dangerous.
My rational is all from personal experience, it involves my interacting with what are referred to as Shadow People.

Exit 0
27th June 2017, 15:21
Author Len Kasten has taken seriously information from Robert Morning Sky in his book Alien World Order, about which I see an endorsement from Dr. Michael Salla on Amazon:

Thank you KeepTrying (in addition to the thanking feature). This quote highlights the point I was attempting to communicate in Comment #59 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973671&viewfull=1#post841973671).)

Exit 0
27th June 2017, 15:37
Debunking and disagreeing with the wish to continue a discussion are two different things.
I have shown that I understand your point of view, and I disagree in a few areas. I've attempted to dialogue with you and you have reacted in a manner that would lead me to believe you would be happier had I not posted on your thread.
I will do as you ask, but first I'm going to explain why your point of view could be a tad bit dangerous.
My rational is all from personal experience, it involves my interacting with what are referred to as Shadow People.

Thank you, again DNA.

I would ask that you examine that which you are offering as "proof". The ghost phenomenon, and other such occurrences (Shadow People) are a function of experiences occurring within this particular three dimensional existence, i.e. the PATRIX in which we are locked. Your personal hyperdimensional experiences are also a function of circumstances that have occurred WITHIN the PATRIX.

Had you escaped this PATRIX, I have little doubt that you would ever return.

Therefore, it is my personal opinion, that all such testimonies are a result of Artificial Telepathic Manipulation.

The very nature of being trapped within This Particular Reality decrees that one have Archons (demons) attached to guide the way.

Dumpster Diver
27th June 2017, 16:01
People focus where they want to, and the results............

Most indigenous people have their star origins in their oral history but, their focus is Mother Earth/Gaia. That is where they are now and have been for millennia. Only interrupted by people bringing their angry sky god salvationist religions with them to "save" them. The whole soul trap distraction is a historical contrivance and an archontic one at that. Connection to Mother Earth, the living being, is the one subject that needs to be discouraged at all costs, by said religions, and new agey beliefs have been a very successful psy-op that needed to come into play as organized religions lost their hold on the popular consciousness. And, it was the angry god religions that created the fear of death that the ancients did not live with.

Great Thread! So good it got Wizzy to come out from the rock under which he was hiding.

Interesting that folks like Salla seem to support this theory...or troubling, is perhaps a better word. Maybe he is just being "nice" and not throwing rocks like everyone seems to be doing lately.

Exit 0
27th June 2017, 16:03
People focus where they want to, and the results............

Most indigenous people have their star origins in their oral history but, their focus is Mother Earth/Gaia. That is where they are now and have been for millennia. Only interrupted by people bringing their angry sky god salvationist religions with them to "save" them. The whole soul trap distraction is a historical contrivance and an archontic one at that. Connection to Mother Earth, the living being, is the one subject that needs to be discouraged at all costs, by said religions, and new agey beliefs have been a very successful psy-op that needed to come into play as organized religions lost their hold on the popular consciousness. And, it was the angry god religions that created the fear of death that the ancients did not live with.

There can be no doubt that all human civilization has been manipulated by the influence from "Archonic Contrivance".

In my opinion, the Human Species was "created" and then locked within this PATRIX as a Feeding Operation. Reincarnation IS NOT the way out.... religious dogma (of any sort) IS NOT the way out....

The Heaven/Hell Construct is how souls are being trapped within this PATRIX.

Shattering ideologies has never been easy....

I encourage everyone to review the Wes Penre material presented in Comment #3 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973340&viewfull=1#post841973340).

DNA
27th June 2017, 16:05
Dr. Malanga has done some pretty crazy regressive work we he has found there to be a shadow like parasite feeding on people at the base of their spines. This shadow creature is said to be from an alternate dimension that has no light and as such the shadow beings are the absence of light. This agrees very much with Carlos Castaneda's description of the fliers.
I think the depections Dr. Malanga displays (http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/horus-ra/#more-1095)are unnerving to say the least in regards to his Horus-Ra interpretation of the Archons from Gnostic Scripture.
But just as unnerving is the idea of the shadow being.
And more pervasive and more inclusive in my opinion is this pantheon of parasites headed by the arch-parasite if you will, the demiurge.
It is this force which propels and regulates the forces who wish to by-pass reincarnation and escape the natural order of the universe.
What I'm saying here is that ghosts are the recruits used by the demiurge for use in his parasitic shadow being race.
It's all fun and games traipsing around as a ghost, sucking on people's souls for your sustenance, until you find yourself tricked into forming a corded bond with a human host, and then find you yourself have been corded as well in the shadow race hierarchy with the demiurge at the top of this parasitic pyramid.

I'm sure many beings of many different races through out our galaxy and then some have joined it.
As such we can get many different forms for which we attribute the negative race of aliens perpetuating parasitism on the earth's people, but in reality they all share this same shadow master.

Dr. Malanga stated
"So, the transdimensional form is Horus, the dark entity within is Ra. It is in actuality nothing more than a black shadow or dot "


I find this intriguing to no end. Dr. Malanga further contends that

" Ra is a dark entity coming from another Universe, a universe archetypally situated behind our universe. There is dark out there, no physical bodies, no light, no love, no souls. This Ra entity places implants on the tailbone, below the sacrum, from where he hangs on to the abductee’s body, parasiting the persona and performing a perverse type of mind control. Ra may come and go to his liking. "


This stuff blows me away, when I was reading the Wendelle Steven's book "UFO CONTACT FROM IARGA" (http://abundanthope.net/pages/Books_-_eBooks_27/UFO-CONTACT-FROM-PLANET-IARGA-Pdf.shtml) I was blown away when the contactee asked if Jesus in fact existed the Iargans replied of course and gave affirmation to him being a powerfull force for good. When the contact asked if satan existed the Iargan replied affirmative, it was synomous with what we term black holes.

This served as confirmation of sorts because I had an experience with a shadow creature that I knew was no mere ghost.
The shadow creature was of human form, but make no mistake, it could have been reptillian, a grey, a Sirian or whatever.
I did not know then what I know now, but I knew the connection it had to me was in my base chalkra area, and that it in my opinion fed on sexual energy.
This corresponds with what Dr. Malanga states above when he states

"This Ra entity places implants on the tailbone, below the sacrum "

It is my belief that if you do not cross over and enter the tunnel of light when it is offered, then you turn into a parasite, one of these hungry ghosts, you are then more at risk of being recruited by the Demiurge and turned from a ghost into a shadow being.
I think we are all here to learn through the natural order of reincarnation, and as such we have folks watching out for us that are yes, more powerfull than the demiurge.

I do not think we need to fear the light upon death, it is there to guide us, to embrace us and to welcome us.
I will now give my interaction with a shadow person.

DNA
27th June 2017, 16:16
My Interactions With A Shadow Being.


Have you ever stumbled on to a piece of knowledge that flashes a view onto a possible reality before your eyes? Kind of like how a lightning flash does?
January of 2005 I was meditating daily with some beings I will refer to as the folks. Helpfull non-physical beings that appear golden in color.
Their main concern seems to be in guiding me in meditations, they will bring something up in my energy field that is a blockage of sorts, and I have to go through the self exploration and self exposure of releasing those blocks.

So, I'm meditating with the folks, when I notice a being in the room with us.
This being for all intents and purposes appeared to be a man, except that he was not something I could see with my meditation eyes.
I could only see him from the corners of my eyes.
In order to keep him in my vision, I had to move my head from side to side to keep him in my field of vision.

This should have told me that he was not a ghost. But, having had no experience with whatever this (shadow being) was, I continued to treat him like a ghost.
I placed my palms forward and began the breathing exercises that would allow me to project energy through my palms towards him.
This man of pure black hovered in front of me, accepting my offering of energy and a sort of communication then began to occur.
I began empathizing with the man, trying to find out why he was a ghost so that I could help him.
I figuired that if I helped him forgive himself, for whatever it was he had done, then he could pass over.

I should mention that this was one of those rare times when the folks interjected.
I should have known at this point that something was a-miss.
The folks were telling me that it was not a good idea to continue what I was doing.
My response was, "Posh! What the hell do they know!"
For the record, I have noticed now, (hindsight is 20/20) that when the folks appear, ghosts can not stay, so the fact that the folks were there meditating with me and this (shadow being) was there means the shadow being was not a ghost.
I don't know how or why, but the presence of the folks banishes ghosts.
But, this being, (this being of dark and shadow) was not being banished like ghosts are subject to being when the folks show up.
This could tell me a lot if I could extract the right answer from it.

As I meditated with this, shadow creature that looked like a man I began to extract certain pieces of knowledge.
For instance, he had done something that he regretted immeseurably, and it was this guilt that kept him from moving on.
Now this seems like typical ghost stuff. But now it get's weird. When I began an immersive meditation of forgivness of myself so that I could project the energy of forgiveness onto the shadow man so that he could feel how good this felt and begin to forgive himself he stopped me.
He told me how afraid he was of those he considered to be above himself,(his superiors) and how there was no way he would be able to move on so to speak.

It was then that I noticed that this being had a cord attached to me.
This cord was attached to myself and I don't know how many others, but I wasn't a singular connection for this entity.
This entity had other humans attached to it.
And this entity also had cords attached to it by other shadow creature entities that seemed to be above it.
There seemed to be a pyramid scheme of sorts, and this entity connected to me was a gatherer of human energy and there were those above it, who could take this creatures stolen and personal energy.

I continued meditating with this being, and he eventually forgave himself enough to detach from me.
At this point, he noticed the "folks", and they led him off to what looked like an upward ascending spiral staircase.
Now, I have to tell you, this was weird too, because the folks don't deal with ghosts.
They are not angels. I can only use conjecture at this point when contemplating what happened to said individual.
It is my rationale(though I was never told this) that the folks had to do work with this individual to get him to release his cords that were connected to other human beings(before he could cross over).
Further more, he may have had to have had help in releasing the cords that were attached to those above him(in the pyramid scheme) before he could pass over.

The folks then began concentrating on healing my area of recent connection and detachment. (This area was sore for a couple of days).
I was then capable of receiving a message from the folks, and the message was that, the reason they had suggested I not try to do what I did, wasn't so much in that I couldn't do it, (which is what I had thought at the time, because this being was by far the most difficult being to cross over I had ever accomplished) it was that this being was sure to be replaced by another and you didn't know if the new one would be better or worse than the previous one.
Now if that isn't a shocker I don't know what is.
This revelation really floored me.

Such is the state of our hyper-sexed society. For the cord of this being was definatly attached to my sexual area. I don't consider my self an over sexed person, but averagelly so. One must admit that an immense amount of energy, wether you call it psychic or spiritual is projected here. I can't help but to be reminded of Carlos Castaneda's admonishments about not wasting one's energy in the sexual arena and the later mentionings of the "mudshadows", a group of non-organic life forms that feed on human energy.
This seems like a good enough note to end on as any.

Exit 0
27th June 2017, 16:27
^^^^

I'm well aware of Dr. Malanga's analysis. I participated in that Thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&highlight=Horus-Ra+as+the+Archontic+Alien+Parasite%3A+A+follow-up+interview+with+Maarit+a+Scandinavian+MILAB-abductee) (over at The Project, as observer). https://jandeane81.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1708&d=1496241173

Here's a link to my first comment in that Horus Ra Thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=485026&viewfull=1#post485026). (Take note of the date.)

Anyone is welcome to read-through my comments on that thread. One will find those comments consistent with what is being said in this Thread.

The point which I'm not getting through is: all of these experiences are a product of occasions from within the PATRIX. These are all circular arguments.

How does one prove a point using a personal experience from within the PATRIX as proof of a reality outside of that PATRIX, when all experience within the PATRIX is artificially tainted?

Sidebar Note:
Isn't it interesting how "Creepy Paul" (he prefers the Invisible Mode) has removed the avatar of only a few former members at The Project?

Dreamtimer
27th June 2017, 16:48
How then, are we separating this conversation from the Matrix? How is any solution reached while in the Matrix valid?

Exit 0
27th June 2017, 17:08
Thank you Dreamtimer,

Your point is EXACTLY why escape is nearly impossible.

This is the reason for this Thread. It's all about an awareness issue....

I encourage the members to read the Penre material.

Jengelen
27th June 2017, 17:12
I believe something I wrote a while back covers my thoughts on all this. Thanks for the great reads.

The Game

I believe in the one being, 'The ONE SUPREME BEING'
the singular organism, begotten not made.
I believe that this being created many aspects, and
that seen and unseen fingers or extensions of self exist, all connected to the one being,
and that the manipulative fingers and awareness of the one being reach out stretching,
to experience and grow reporting back always connected to the one being
of which I am one aspect of awareness, and you are one, and he another and she another
and that these aspects, these first line awareness vessels are many,
yet one in being with the SUPREME BEING, the "ORIGINATOR"
All is within. There is no 'OUT THERE' all is inside, all is mental
The playground that these aspects play within, in the mind of the one, is infinite!
All created right now by the One Supreme Being for our benefit.
I believe that light beings of advancement and awareness exist,
that the light beings are the aspects, and that we are the aspects of the light,
and aware that matter is light condensed, and all comes from light, all is light
and all goes back to light,
and that this awareness of the one comes in many sizes, many dimensions,
this awareness comes in many levels, in many forms,
some lights more advanced, more keen, more intellectual, more capable than others
some less aware, less capable but all connected unable to be apart from the One Supreme Being,

I believe nothing can be outside the 'One' supreme being, maker of all things.
I believe that all life and all light, and all darkness,
all matter seen and unseen, is of the same oneness
including but not limited to the so called great Satan or Djinn, the Archons and the great angels and saints, like you just one of many other co creator beings of great awareness and light
and like life before you, some able to see and develop in ways others are unaware.
I believe that all appears separate yet all is connected and one
life appears to die, but nothing dies,
the One seems to forget but never forgets,
the One seems to eat others but partakes only of self,
the One seems to enslave others but only enslaves self,
the One lives forever birthing, growing, learning, reproducing, dying of the vessel,
but the light moves on fooling itself into immortality,
re-birthing as a baby to once more do the same,
forgetting for the moment but forever remaining in the game!

Exit 0
27th June 2017, 17:24
^^^^

Thank you Jengelen.

There was a time when I resonated with the words of your comment.

I would encourage you to read this Wes Penre paper:

"Souls In The Third Dimension": [I.2]
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/historia_humanidad57.htm

Perhaps you will find some understanding there....

Synagex
27th June 2017, 20:10
This is the reason for this Thread. It's all about an awareness issue....

You are so right in this ^^^^^^^

You are doing an awesome job of presenting this info in videos and documents.

Thankyou for your time and visible effort for what you have shared. Every little helps and others points of view are also great for people to maybe connect and trigger personal info to be revealed to them.

Just slowly checking out and laying my awareness all your info and videos and others responses, then will reply latter.

Take the matrix and all it's keepers, controllers and inforcers as a challenge to overcome.

Do not take the attitude of being lost or trapped or stuck in a matrix that has been said is nearly impossible to escape, do not be a victim.

Please ignore all the negations ^^^^^^ and reverse them ( added for communications only.)

Take an attitude of.... We are temporarily geographically challenged.

Nothing can be more fun and challenging to escape something again that is meant to be so hard to escape from.

Mission IMOpossible.

Jengelen
27th June 2017, 20:45
^^^^

Thank you Jengelen.

There was a time when I resonated with the words of your comment.

I would encourage you to read this Wes Penre paper:

"Souls In The Third Dimension": [I.2]
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/historia_humanidad57.htm

Perhaps you will find some understanding there....


Thank you but there is much missing from that information..... For example, and just the one as it's all I have time for, this line here, "This way, these master manipulators could manipulate people's thoughts and create their realities for them in a manner which was more in line with what the Sirians wanted us to believe in order to control us and our destiny."

This is what they do when separateness is wanted. I see that even now. Even in these teachings for that matter. We can never step outside of the mind of the one as we're all inside and there is no out there or outer space. Its our mind. The space in front of us is alive, it reacts both to us and against us because if you don't input into it consciously what it is you want it gives you what it thinks it hears you saying you want.

In other words your life isn't just your life, it's your mirror also. It's a mirror of you. The things you own, your garden, your space, your house these are all reflections of the people that created them. When one tunes in you can see by how they routinely feel and think with their regular everyday thought patterns how they create the situations they are in. At some level even when we complain we did it, we brought all the circumstances on by our actions of yesterday which if continued lead to their certain destiny.

Another is this nonsense of not being able to absorb the proper light through our system to help our DNA or allow our DNA to absorb it. You can do this and Shaman know how and it's by using plants. You literally inject your DNA into the plants you grow from seed. You do this by soaking seeds in your own spit to sprout them instead of water and this way once they read that material they have your DNA, that is to say, your cells in their make up and they absorb this light for you and you ingest or smoke or take in the plant to get it. This is how you grow your own healing foods to get the things your body misses and Shaman tell me all the mystery plants, marijuana, cactus, peyote, lotus, sea pen plants, and more all are gifts from that which created all life to aid man to absorb these needed things.

This is why, or at least it's said this is why when you ingest these things you have these wonderful awakenings as it begins to set your own body molecules to the same level of perfection as they exist in. The THC molecule for example is perfect and when in the human body the body mimics it which is a big part of why it sets you right within weeks to juice it and so on.

I noted a lot of Sitchin quotes in there. I normally turn off to that immediately as he was proven wrong in so many ways I can't trust his writings any longer. I did at one time absorb all that though and I've written extensively on the parasitic nature of the garden planet earth also.

WantDisclosure
27th June 2017, 21:27
This is the reason for this Thread. It's all about an awareness issue....

I encourage the members to read the Penre material.
Would it be asking you to repeat yourself if I request a brief summary of what hope or purpose there would be to reading the Penre material?

Exit 0
27th June 2017, 22:11
To see the content of Jengelen's Comment #73, click on the forwarding icon.

First allow me to address what you said regarding Sitchin:

If you go-back and re-read what I said in Comment #59 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973671&viewfull=1#post841973671), you will have a broader understanding of the debunking agenda on the internet.

Where I said,
"Additionally, one can debunk the work of anyone using sources found on the internet. Just look at the work of David Icke, Jordon Maxwell, and nearly every other researcher. Regardless of how they have been debunked, the body of their work still remains compelling. One can glean nuggets of accuracy from anyone, regardless of how others - of differing opinion - have debunked their work." I really SHOULD have listed Sitchin in the list of those mentioned.

There's been several credentialed philologists come forward and endorse much of what Sitchin translated. In the Truth Community there are so many Intelligence Community Operatives trolling the hard work of dedicated researchers. One must be ever suspect of the debunkers.

With respect to your inability to find adequate information, I can only say, "If this material resonates with you, than keep researching".

See what was said in Comment #76 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973708&viewfull=1#post841973708).

Exit 0
27th June 2017, 22:54
Would it be asking you to repeat yourself if I request a brief summary of what hope or purpose there would be to reading the Penre material?

After over 40 years of following every sort of spiritual teaching, I finely had the epiphany that, "Everything we've been taught has been a lie". These feelings of mistrust began slowly infiltrating my world view around the late 90's. I went through many of the interim years, searching for objective explanations to my mistrust. As I pointed-out in Comment #67 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973681&viewfull=1#post841973681).

I've had these misgivings for quite some time. (see the link offered to a Thread at The Project in Comment #67, HERE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=485026&viewfull=1#post485026)).

Over the entire period of my adult life, I've found very few individuals who are actively speaking of this aspect of our Common Reality, yet since the late 90's, I've been driven to discover more on this subject.

With that said, it wasn't until just recently that I discovered the work of Wes Penre.

Here's an individual who has been researching and writing extensively on this topic since the late 90's. As I read more-and-more of his work, I'm festinated at how I resonate with what he has written.

This is the only endorsement I can give Mr. Penre's work, KeepTrying.

I can't give you a summary of his work, beyond what I've written in my comments throughout this Thread. If one resonates with what is being said in this Thread, than it behooves you to look further into Penre's work.

Here's a link to the body of his work:

The Wes Penre Papers: [I.9]

"First Level of Learning - A Journey Through the Multiverse": [I.9.a]
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/wespenrepapers-01.pdf

"Second Level of Learning - The Extraterrestrial Manipulation of Mankind": [I.9.b]
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/wespenrepapers-02.pdf

"Third Level of Learning - The Rise of the Machine Kingdom": [I.9.c]
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/wespenrepapers-03.pdf

"Fourth Level of Learning - Lucifer's Rebellion": [I.9.d]
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/wespenrepapers-04.pdf

"Fifth Level of Learning - The Vedic Texts": [I.9.e]
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/wespenrepapers-05.pdf

WantDisclosure
27th June 2017, 23:17
I can't give you a summary of his work, beyond what I've written in my comments throughout this Thread.
But can you very briefly, in your own words, state the message of hope or inspiration that you have found in his work, if that's what it is.

Is that what it is?

A message of hope or inspiration?

I don't want to put words in your mouth.

And I don't want to belabor the issue, either.

Exit 0
27th June 2017, 23:44
But can you very briefly, in your own words, state the message of hope or inspiration that you have found in his work, if that's what it is.

Is that what it is?

A message of hope or inspiration?

I don't want to put words in your mouth.

And I don't want to belabor the issue, either.

In the mythology of Pandora's Box, one discovers the only "evil" that remained locked in the box (or jar).... after all the evils of the world escaped.... the only evil remaining within the box, was "hope".

I see no hope in remaining locked within this vile PATRIX for eternities of time.

Therefore, I search this desolate landscape for the door in the garden wall. (See Comment #51 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973593&viewfull=1#post841973593))

Dreamtimer
28th June 2017, 01:25
Here's an interesting tidbit. I've been listening to this conversation with LMHowe and Whitley Streiber (http://eye-rise.com/forum/showthread.php?6667-Hidden-in-Antarctica-Linda-Moulton-Howe-Special). He mentions a letter he received many, many years ago from a lady living in Tennessee. She had been out walking with her son in the woods. Suddenly a little dark blue figure, Whitley calls them Kobolds, appeared.

It said to her, "I am a rebel and I'm here to tell you the truth. There was a war between Earth and Mars many, many, many years ago. Earth destroyed the surface of Mars but we captured your souls and have condemned you to recycle on your planet forever. We call it dead forever." Then it left. This is at 38 min.

Exit 0
28th June 2017, 02:27
^^^^

Many among us are privy to bits-and-pieces of the lost history from great antiquity. Piecing it all together into one seamless amalgam is yet another story, Dreamtimer.

I'm more inclined to placing the War In Heaven, from great antiquity, on the planet that is now the asteroid belt, otherwise known as Maldek/Tiamat. Mars was definitely involved in the destruction of Maldek, as was Planet Earth. I'm also of the mind that many of our legends of Atlantis actually occurred on Planet Maldek.

Wes Penre covers much of the War In Heaven in his research papers.

Amanda
28th June 2017, 02:29
Trapped in a Matrix - is certainly an interesting concept. Filling people with a dread and fear of Death is not necessary. I think that the concept of any type of Soul Trap at the point of Death is not supported on any level. Unless you speak with a person who has genuinely had a Death Experience - then people are relying only on thoughts and comments of academics/scientists/theorists and those who control all information that is printed or beamed out. Yes/No/Maybe???

I speak from personal experience. I even had witnesses, in the form of Ambulance Officers. The last thing I heard was: Seventy and dropping.

I went and I went willingly. I did not want to return. No one was with me, to support me or comfort me or to advise me on what to do. I was resolute in that I did not want to return. I want to add that I only share my personal experiences when I see seeds of fear and dread being sown.

Death is a part of life and it must never be feared. Perhaps it is the last bastion of the cabal/illuminati/whatever, in that they are losing control everyday. More and more People are entering the awakened state and rousing with the asking of questions. Cognitive Dissonance is on the rise and there is a quiet revolution brewing - I see it from my vantage point as a Child Abuse Whistleblower.

Much trust is needed when traversing the worldwideweb - much trust in Yourself. trust Your Instincts as they are all you have when all else is corrupted. The Human Soul is powerful and pure and I speak from a personal perspective. I know what I experienced. I know what I saw. I know what happens when a Human dies. It is not hell with fire and brimstone.

All I want to add is this: I have drawings and photographs and recordings along with verbal disclosures from many many People, Students and sometimes their Parents as well. I speak not just of issues of all types of abuse but of Experiences. Sometimes the Experiences involved seeing Beings not in the form to which we are accustomed here on Planet Earth. To those who are interested, I would suggest a beautiful book titled: The Art of Close Encounters by Kim Carlsberg ISBN: 978 - 1 - 4507 - 3268 - 0.

I ordered the book and almost did not get it. When I finally managed to communicate with Kim it turned out she had lost her home and belongings when the big housing crash happened in America. She was living in her car and her pets were being cared for by friends. I congratulated her on having the strength to tell me the truth. I told her her that if I get the book I get if and if I don't I don't and that it was her honesty and strength of character that mattered.

Well sometime after that conversation - I received the book I had ordered and paid for online. I seriously had not given it much thought - the personal plight of Kim was of more concern than a (damned) book. So - a person I shall not name but did not know very well (very well known in the arena of all matters Exopolitical) - spoke to the Editor of Nexus Magazine and lo an behold - a copy of the book with a hand written note inside about who ensured I got the book.

Anyhow - I have made a long post - not my original intention. The crux of the issue being opened up within this thread is that of (alleged) Soul Traps. I still think the 'traps' are here on Terra Firma - Yes/No/Maybe????

Much Respect & Much Peace - Amanda

Outlander
28th June 2017, 02:39
Here's an interesting tidbit. I've been listening to this conversation with LMHowe and Whitley Streiber (http://eye-rise.com/forum/showthread.php?6667-Hidden-in-Antarctica-Linda-Moulton-Howe-Special). He mentions a letter he received many, many years ago from a lady living in Tennessee. She had been out walking with her son in the woods. Suddenly a little dark blue figure, Whitley calls them Kobolds, appeared.

It said to her, "I am a rebel and I'm here to tell you the truth. There was a war between Earth and Mars many, many, many years ago. Earth destroyed the surface of Mars but we captured your souls and have condemned you to recycle on your planet forever. We call it dead forever." Then it left. This is at 38 min.

Sure, an English speaking Kobold - known for there deceitful nature - comes out of nowhere to tell a lady: "I am a rebel and I'm here to tell you the truth. There was a war between Earth and Mars many, many, many years ago. Earth destroyed the surface of Mars but we captured your souls and have condemned you to recycle on your planet forever. We call it dead forever," to disappear into thin air again.

Video? Photograph? Audio recording?

And does 'we' implicate that Mars was occupied by Kobolts (too)?

Exit 0
28th June 2017, 03:32
To see the content of Amanda' Comment #81, click-on the forwarding icon.

Allow me to suggest, Amanda, that nothing in this Thread is intended to create a "fear of death". This is a discussion intended to shine a light on an aspect of this particular reality, of which few individuals are aware.

I also find it of interest that among all the near-death-experiences that I've studied, the experiencer returned to life in their former body. This makes me suspicious of how and what was leading the experiencer, and why the death process wasn't completed.

The few among us who "remember" past lives will tell of the same wonderful death experience. Returning immortal souls to this particular reality is the mechanical function of the PATRIX. This is inherently the nature of the reincarnation process.

I would submit: one will never hear the after life testimony of an immortal soul that has escaped the PATRIX. Once free of the prison, who would ever want to return?

Biff
28th June 2017, 07:29
Wes Penre is a dope who believes everything he reads. Sourcing his work is sourcing years of muddled misinformation.

The idea of a prison matrix and soul traps was started by a few fear mongering buffoons who like to scare bored new age ladies.

The idea that you can escape just by willing yourself to not go to the light is stupid and dangerous, because idiots and cults would consider suicide a valid way out of it all.

The reality of reincarnation and karma in the theme of SPIRITUAL EVOLUTION of monads or souls has been validated by the thousands of mystics, seers, and holy men and women who've attested to this reality, and by NDE research which further validates that the afterlife is a place of rest on our long journey to spiritual graduation from the human kingdom to the next kingdom.

Run from the light at death and you'll waste precious time and experience being a hungry ghost, looking every which way for a freedom that comes with ease upon death.

DNA
28th June 2017, 07:42
^^^^

I'm well aware of Dr. Malanga's analysis. I participated in that Thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&highlight=Horus-Ra+as+the+Archontic+Alien+Parasite%3A+A+follow-up+interview+with+Maarit+a+Scandinavian+MILAB-abductee) (over at The Project, as observer). https://jandeane81.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1708&d=1496241173

Here's a link to my first comment in that Horus Ra Thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=485026&viewfull=1#post485026). (Take note of the date.)

Anyone is welcome to read-through my comments on that thread. One will find those comments consistent with what is being said in this Thread.

The point which I'm not getting through is: all of these experiences are a product of occasions from within the MATRIX. These are all circular arguments.

How does one prove a point using a personal experience from within the MATRIX as proof of a reality outside of that MATRIX, when all experience within the MATRIX is artificially tainted?

Sidebar Note:
Isn't it interesting how "Creepy Paul" (he prefers the Invisible Mode) has removed the avatar of only a few former members at The Project?

OMG! LMFAO!!
:holysheep:
I didn't know you were observer.
We have had this exact same conversation before, and it was almost exactly the same as this conversation has gone. We have never seen eye to eye and we have always butted heads over this exact same point. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=592073&viewfull=1#post592073)
To go back and read what I've linked is to make one have to laugh, especially since the old conversation I have linked is almost five years old.
I can say one thing for us, we have both stayed true to our message over the course of the years and constant in our opinions.

Exit 0
28th June 2017, 08:48
Still stuck in the same ol' hypnotic trance, huh DNA?

It's so refreshing to hear from a proselyte of two hundred thousand years of brainwashed mantra, keep returning, year-after-year, and regurgitate this sort of thought manure.

As I mentioned in Comment #53 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973599&viewfull=1#post841973599):

"You've made your point, here in this thread. Those members who resonate with that analysis, are free to matriculate over to whatever Thread there may be, where you are expressing a desire to remain settled within the MATRIX."

This thread is for those members who are weary of the Reincarnation Machine....

DNA
28th June 2017, 08:55
Still stuck in the same ol' hypnotic trance, huh DNA?

It's so refreshing to hear from a proselyte of two hundred thousand years of brainwashed mantra, keep returning, year-after-year, and regurgitate this sort of thought manure.

As I mentioned in Comment #53 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973599&viewfull=1#post841973599):


This thread is for those members who are tired of the Reincarnation Machine....

Unlike you my convictions are founded in reality, your opinion doesn't even originate from you. You regurgitate the thoughts of others in your endless ecclesiastical pursuit for souls, a true disciple of the demiurge you have turned out to be.
The true gnosis of the gnostic lies in learning from experience, having not done that you have no gnosis, you are a fool on a fool's errand.

Exit 0
28th June 2017, 09:04
.... as the door slams behind DNA voluntarily removing himself from the Thread, Exit 0 wishes him an enjoyable journey, riding on the Reincarnation Wheel, for the next eternity.

Now, :back to topic:

Biff
28th June 2017, 09:09
It should occur to the OP that the prison matrix, soul trap meme might be itself a Spiritual Psyop to turn good souls into shadow people and hungry ghosts.

People who invented/propagate the soul trap meme:
Robert Morning Sky - fraud
Don Juan - fictional character through fraud, Casteneda
Simon Parkes - known black magician
Wes Penre - well meaning yet entirely gullible human being who regurgitates his mess taken from dozens of iffy sources, or outright spiritual disinformation.

DNA
28th June 2017, 09:41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8aT9oRp95A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8aT9oRp95A

I caught this on youtube. I found it a decent portrayal of what I'm talking about.

A girl around the age of puberty is walking into an area where a monster lives. The monster does not hide his presence and even has depictions on the walls of what he does to children.
The monster lies still and apparently asleep until a piece of food is eaten off of the table.
The young girl is warned not to eat the fruit and told it will awake the monster, but she can't help it and eats the fruit anyway.

This to me at least, symbolizes the shadow parasite lying dormant until our sexuality awakens and offers a temptation few are capable of resisting.

Although the monster who lies in wait for the girl is a horrible being to have to contend with, I will state that it is far better to worry about that monster being in opposition to you, rather than you becoming that monster.
It is my opinion that Exit 0's path leads to a fate much worse than being food for a monster, it is a path that leads to becoming the monster itself.


It should occur to the OP that the prison matrix, soul trap meme might be itself a Spiritual Psyop to turn good souls into shadow people and hungry ghosts.

People who invented/propagate the soul trap meme:
Robert Morning Sky - fraud
Don Juan - fictional character through fraud, Casteneda
Simon Parkes - known black magician
Wes Penre - well meaning yet entirely gullible human being who regurgitates his mess taken from dozens of iffy sources, or outright spiritual disinformation.

I'm of the personal convicition that L. Ron Hubbard should be first and foremost on this list.
L Ron Hubbard is the modern day source for this meme's popularity.
Most of the modern day adherents to this thought are present or ex-scientologists.

Aianawa
28th June 2017, 11:24
We need fools, important tarro card indeed, i love being a fool. Having held beliefs that are/were foolish, long live fools. living in fear or living in love, from fear or love ?, to have fear of losing love, a belief, a concept, the past, is okay.

Aragorn
28th June 2017, 11:49
Sidebar Note:
Isn't it interesting how "Creepy Paul" (he prefers the Invisible Mode) has removed the avatar of only a few former members at The Project?

While it is no secret that there is no love lost between Project Avalon and The One Truth — among other things, Paul has in the past tried to instigate a forum war between ourselves and our sister forum, Eye-Rise, so that in the end, Project Avalon would come to benefit from that — I do have to say in Paul's defense that the inconsistency in the avatar removal may not be his doing, but rather a glitch in the version of vBulletin they are running.

There are similar glitches in our own version of vBulletin as well, which is of the same generation as what they're running over at La Casa Del Sombrero™, albeit that ours may be a few patch levels newer. But then again, Paul and Ilie have done a great deal of tweaking by modifying the code themselves, which in turn may also have introduced a few bugs here and there. Furthermore, the bug may actually be in the MySQL database engine itself, or even in the PHP framework, as opposed to that it would be a bug in vBulletin.

But just to give you an example, when we retire a member, then from there on, it should say "retired member" underneath their user name next to their posts, but for some it still simply says "retired" without the word "member", as was the earlier designation. Normally, such a change ought to perpetuate across all retired member accounts, but for some reason, it doesn't.

The deactivation of avatars for retired and banned member accounts is a similar setting, and should normally apply to the whole user category for which it is set. Quite possibly it doesn't do that over at The House Of The Hat™.

The above all merely as an FYI, of course. Like I said, there's no love lost between Project Avalon and The One Truth. ;) :flag:

Dreamtimer
28th June 2017, 12:57
Scientology.:cracky: I didn't know they say to turn away from the light.


I looked into Morning Sky because I'd forgotten what I'd heard from him. I found a video of a speech from 2000. He was wearing regalia including a beaded headpiece. It was interesting because the images going around the headband were a snake in an 's' curve, three triangles in a column with points down, and a human figure.

The three images together look very much like the word SEX.



That scene from Pan's Labyrinth was so creepy.

viena
28th June 2017, 14:08
As I've understood the discussion has never been about "going into the light or not", but "going into the FALSE light or not". It always seemed to be clear to me that there are at least three options.

1) Let yourself be drawn into the artificial false white-light trap, be greeted by whoever you're dreaming of and enter the recycling process.

2) Avoid the white-light tunnel, turn elsewhere and get stuck/lost in the lower dark realms of confusion and disorientation, where ghosts dwell and people who haven't even realized their own death yet, among others.

3) Ignore the white-light tunnel and focus on a original golden light that will emerge, most probably from your own heart/center. Follow your own genuine light.

As there are two versions/interpretations (one true, one false) of everything on our plane of existence - why should the after-death-process be any different.

Golden vs. white light, warm+soft vs. artificial+hurting light, first morning light vs. fluorescent tubes. I guess we'll get what we expect. If we expect nothing else than the one and only "white-light tunnel", we'll not be able to differentiate and easily be tricked. This could also explain why so many NDExperiencers describe the white-light tunnel as genuine, loving and coming from Source.

Wes Penre also talks about three choices here (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_conscioushumanenergy34.htm), though nr. 2 doesn't sound convincing. Also I'm not sure about the fuzzy barrier, the Swiss cheese or universities throughout the universe, but being aware of a possible trap seems invaluable to me, since we all will have to make the decision once. In this regard I consider this information here as immensely educating and important.

Sidenote: Interesting wording, too. Going into the light = once you're "inside", not sure if and how you'll be able to exit again. Follow the light = you may change your direction any second. Imo.

Exit 0
28th June 2017, 14:29
I point the members back to the OP (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973338&viewfull=1#post841973338) where I clearly stated:


"Throughout my tenure, dedicated to researching this subject, I have encountered a wall of human opposition to the points listed above - in addition to many other points which I didn't list. Allow me to suggest, this reaction is an example of self-imposed-compliance to the system.

I didn't come to these conclusions through any conditioning filters. Rather, these conclusions are the result of years of investigation through the study of countless subjects. I'm now within my seventh decade on this planet, and there is much to be said regarding the experience-factor.

Additionally allow me to suggest, hardly anyone in our Common Reality are discussing these points, making the very mention of them a taboo subject.

Finely, I would suggest a caveat:

These conclusions are my own personal observations. I'm seeking no reward for suggesting them, nor am I imposing them on anyone. Every individual is free to accept or reject these analyses as they see fit. Anyone is free to move-on to other threads of interest.

As a general statement, I simply ask not to be personally attacked for offering my opinion."

I'm not now, nor have I ever been a Scientologist. I've never even read an L. Ron Hubbard book. I was banned from the Project, mainly because of my investigation into Mr. Ryan's affiliation with Scientology. I had been asking questions, in private messages, to past administrators, and moderators, whom I'd had a casual acquaintances. Additionally there was an ongoing Private Message dialogue between myself and Mr. Ryan, where he continually denied being any longer associated to Scientology. I believe my off-site questioning got back to the administration, which led to my banning.

I came to this Soul Harvesting investigation as a result of my own conclusion, after over 50 years of study.

It's my right of Free Will to suspect all that of which MR. DNA (and others) are using to attack the theme of this Thread with, is the result of Artificially Implanted Telepathic Messaging, i.e., Self Policing the prison.

It's my right of Free Will to conclude that all the experiences being portrayed by these naysayers are a result of being locked within the PATRIX, never having been beyond the boundary of such in their hyperdimensional travels.

I submit: all these individuals who so vehemently deny the possibility that the Light Tunnel is a Reincarnation Trap, are hopelessly hypnotized by the Archons/demons that are attached to their conscious being.

I additionally submit: all the stories of ghosts, shadow people, etc. are occurrences within the PATRIX. Once free of this confining prison, the Eternal Soul is free to go wherever it chooses.


"They Are Very Clever At What They Do".

Exit 0
28th June 2017, 14:50
Scientology.:cracky: I didn't know they say to turn away from the light.


I looked into Morning Sky because I'd forgotten what I'd heard from him. I found a video of a speech from 2000. He was wearing regalia including a beaded headpiece. It was interesting because the images going around the headband were a snake in an 's' curve, three triangles in a column with points down, and a human figure.

The three images together look very much like the word SEX.



That scene from Pan's Labyrinth was so creepy.

Dreamtimer,

As I've stated throughout this Thread, no single one of us has all the answers. Few among us are even aware of these possibilities.

It's no secret that many indigenous peoples are deeply rooted in snake cults. That's no reason to not examine their belief systems, and draw our own conclusions.

Additionally, only Mr. Morning Sky knows the implications of his head dress. Your interpretations of that regalia were simply that: interpretations....

Exit 0
28th June 2017, 14:58
As I've understood the discussion has never been about "going into the light or not", but "going into the FALSE light or not". It always seemed to be clear to me that there are at least three options.

1) Let yourself be drawn into the artificial false white-light trap, be greeted by whoever you're dreaming of and enter the recycling process.

2) Avoid the white-light tunnel, turn elsewhere and get stuck/lost in the lower dark realms of confusion and disorientation, where ghosts dwell and people who haven't even realized their own death yet, among others.

3) Ignore the white-light tunnel and focus on a original golden light that will emerge, most probably from your own heart/center. Follow your own genuine light.

As there are two versions/interpretations (one true, one false) of everything on our plane of existence - why should the after-death-process be any different.

Golden vs. white light, warm+soft vs. artificial+hurting light, first morning light vs. fluorescent tubes. I guess we'll get what we expect. If we expect nothing else than the one and only "white-light tunnel", we'll not be able to differentiate and easily be tricked. This could also explain why so many NDExperiencers describe the white-light tunnel as genuine, loving and coming from Source.

Wes Penre also talks about three choices here (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_conscioushumanenergy34.htm), though nr. 2 doesn't sound convincing. Also I'm not sure about the fuzzy barrier, the Swiss cheese or universities throughout the universe, but being aware of a possible trap seems invaluable to me, since we all will have to make the decision once. In this regard I consider this information here as immensely educating and important.

Sidenote: Interesting wording, too. Going into the light = once you're "inside", not sure if and how you'll be able to exit again. Follow the light = you may change your direction any second. Imo.

Thank you, beyond the thanking function, viena.

These are the kind of comments that will help this Thread move forward into an investigation of, "How to escape the PATRIX".

Dreamtimer
28th June 2017, 15:40
To be clear, I haven't actually interpreted anything Mr. Morningsky wears or says. I've only made an observation of an appearance.

I listened to most of the presentation I mentioned and read some of his writings. He does in fact discuss the high sex drive of humans.

I have yet to interpret his meaning as I was only in the stage of hearing his message.


You said,
there is much to be said regarding the experience-factor.

This experience has occurred within the matrix, correct?

Exit 0
28th June 2017, 15:53
To be clear, I haven't actually interpreted anything Mr. Morningsky wears or says. I've only made an observation of an appearance.

I listened to most of the presentation I mentioned and read some of his writings. He does in fact discuss the high sex drive of humans.

I have yet to interpret his meaning as I was only in the stage of hearing his message.



You said,


there is much to be said regarding the experience-factor.

This experience has occurred within the matrix, correct?

....with one important caveat, Dreamtimer:

These conclusions are the result of thousands-of-hours researching ancient records and reports based on those records, then drawing my conclusions from that investigation. I didn't come to these conclusions by "playing in the sandbox" of hyperdimensional travel.

I believe the study of the historic record is a much more objective way to qualify the data, as opposed to the subjective pursuit of personal testimonies.

Wind
28th June 2017, 16:00
Sigh. Not again. :fpalm:

We could use the knowledge of Finefeather here, could someone summon him?

Dumpster Diver
28th June 2017, 16:56
Well, I for one like hearing this debate, both sides and the presentations as well.

Yeah, I'm a noob. But a careful noob.

heyokah
28th June 2017, 17:08
Sigh. Not again. :fpalm:

We could use the knowledge of Finefeather here, could someone summon him?

I can't promise I will behave then :meditating:


http://youtu.be/-cuLbTSesiI

heyokah
28th June 2017, 20:40
****

Like Wes Penre, I'm inclined to think that when someone is landing in a big spaceship, saying that they are here to save me, I would probably run the other way.

I strongly believe that if there is ONE person, who can help me raising my vibration to become a self realized soul eventually, it will be ME and nobody else. If I will be successful, my vibration frequency will be that of the color Gold, the color of Love. So when I die, I will be drawn through the "Hole in the Garden Wall" by the Golden Light of the Divine Consciousness, to the place where I came from.

My story:

When I was 24 years old I was in coma for over 3 weeks, because of a viral inflammation of the brain (encephalitis) During these weeks I "observed" a place of "Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll", which felt like, what people call, Hell, and I thought, "Not that bad or scary at all". But the color was dark red and the vibration was low and slow. I was 'outside', just watching, without taking part and I walked away.

Then I found myself in a huge cave, with water running through it. I was sitting on a stone, one foot in the water, all by myself, feeling calm and happy. In front of me was the entrance of "my cave", as I still call it. This entrance looked like a "hole in the garden wall". It was daylight outside, not a special bright light of any color. It felt like I stayed there for a very long time, but what is 'time' in this dimension.

I can't recall leaving my cave, but later I found myself in a bright light space, filled with bright light beings that were sort of floating around, telepathically communicating with each other, not with me. There was a hole in one side of that space/place, were entities went in and out and when my curiosity drove me to go through that hole, into the next place, the words came to me, saying "Not yet, you've still got a lot to do".

At that moment I opened my physical eyes and found myself, tied up on a bed in a sort of cell, which later turned out to be an isolation cell in a mental hospital. Welcome back! Wrong diagnosis, wrong treatment
Well, I survived, which, for the medical staff, was a miracle. My full recovery lasted 8 years. I was young, strong and lucky.....

So, in my case, no luring light at the end of a tunnel, no guides or welcoming relatives.


Much love for all .......and hatred for none (thank you Modwiz (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/5267-A-New-Modwiz-Video?p=841973752&viewfull=1#post841973752) :) )

Exit 0
28th June 2017, 20:53
^^^^

Thank you heyokah for sharing that with the members.

If you would allow me to critique what you experienced, I would say:

Being young, you were not yet aware of the Golden Light of Love, and how that particular light is associated with escape from the PATRIX. Most probably, the little you knew of what would happen after death at that age (if you were aware of anything at all), included the Bright White Light scenario. Of course, we must acknowledge, you were NOT having a near-death experience. You were only in a coma - similar hyperdimensional experiences, however.

So many among us have never heard of looking for an alternate light, beyond the bright white light that will surely appear. That light is a mechanical function of the PATRIX.

I'm so glad you chose to comment in this thread, to give me the opportunity to emphasize how the Golden Light Of Love is a key factor in this discussion.

Or, as viena so eloquently put it in Comment #94 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973771&viewfull=1#post841973771):


"first morning light vs. fluorescent tubes."

PurpleLama
28th June 2017, 21:46
I am not so sure about Love being golden, while just out of the lower astral, which is darkness, one finds a landscape of golden hued light, but this is still well within the earth planes.

Escaping the matrix is something to be done in life, in the after life what is done is done, and nothing may change of the condition we carry over.

One may guess what color I would say that Love displays. First two guesses don't count.

Exit 0
28th June 2017, 22:15
Click-on the forwarding icon to see PurpleLama's Comment #105.

In my opinion, Lama, what you are seeing, is the refraction of the Sun's light through the Earth's atmosphere, as you are drifting into your hyperdimensional experience, all still well within the confines of the PATRIX.

Now, here's an analysis that I already know will receive all sorts of condemnation from the PATRIX Nazis, who are already trolling this Thread:

Since the Bright White Light is directly connected to the Moon/Earth/Saturn PATRIX, as was already established earlier in the Thread around Comment #29 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973446&viewfull=1#post841973446).
And, since this PATRIX is the mechanism through which the Reincarnation Process is accomplished,

Therefore, the GOLDEN LIGHT OF LOVE one should be looking for, is a direct Heart/Sun connection.

Science will eventually prove, the Sun is our local portal into true higher dimensions.

Amanda
28th June 2017, 22:54
Biff - You summed it up in a concise manner. Thank You. The worldwideweb is saturated with information and disinformation and it can take a lot of time conducting research - to work out who is who and what's what - as the saying goes.

Any type of (alleged) Soul Trap is an invention of those who would want to add to the chaos and fear that is already here. No one needs to be a scientist/genious/gifted to realise that our Global Community is in a state of chaos and pain. That in my opinion is the 'trap' and those who are blind to it - have the most to lose. Death is not an experience to be feared - I have experienced it and chose to come back. Some days I wonder why but I continue on.

The term near death is a created term - created by those who have not experienced death and who perhaps fear it the most. Anything that is to be controlled by the cabal/illuminati/whatever will seek to sow their seeds via the worldwideweb. Stay safe People and thanks again Biff for summing up your research and inspiring me to share a few words - for whoever is interested.

Much Respect & Much Peace - Amanda

WantDisclosure
28th June 2017, 22:55
Science will eventually prove, the Sun is our local portal into true higher dimensions.
Your statement makes me think of something I heard Eric Dollard say about the sun—that it is powered by some other dimension.

Exit 0
29th June 2017, 02:45
Thank you KeepTrying,

The Plasma Physicists at the Thunderbolts Project (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvHqXK_Hz79tjqRosK4tWYA) have substantially proven that the Sun is not a nuclear furnace; it's an electromagnetic/plasma event.

Cosmologists have discovered rivers of plasma spanning millions of light-years across the universe. Plasma can only exist in an electromagnetic field.

Nassim Harriman (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EYkitvy1OQ), many years ago, demonstrated that the atom, the basic building-block of all matter, is a singularity event, connecting all matter in the galaxy to the singularity (black hole) at the center of the galaxy. Following this reasoning, it doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to see that the Sun, at the center of our Solar system, is the Stargate (singularity), connecting that Sun to the Stargate (singularity/black hole) at the center of our galaxy, which will connect to the singularity at the center of this particular three dimensional universe.

So yes, the Sun is an electromagnetic generator that draws it's energy through all the connectivity, with all the black holes, throughout the known universe. This energy has to be coming from another dimension. It will be found that it's through this inner-connectivity that inner-dimensional travel is possible.

Understanding of the true nature of this three dimensional universe is increasing by the year. Soon, very soon, the Heart/Sun/Golden Light connection will be understood.

When that understanding occurs, the Gate In The Garden Wall will be obvious to all those who desire to leave the endless ass-biting Ouroboros that is the PATRIX.

https://jandeane81.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1731&thumb=1&d=1498705550

WantDisclosure
29th June 2017, 08:11
4. "Synthetic Super Intelligence and the Transmutation of Humankind":
http://wespenre.com/My-Books/Book2-AI/wes_penre___synthetic_super_intelligence_and_the_t ransmutation_of_man__a_roadmap_to_the_singularity. pdf
I have just downloaded this 464 page PDF and I'm looking forward to reading it.

Thank you for highlighting Wes Penre's work. I remember reading his work years ago, and I'm glad he's still at it. What a resource!

Exit 0
29th June 2017, 12:09
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WantDisclosure
29th June 2017, 16:41
Exit 0,

I just read a Description of an interview of Eldon Taylor by Regina Meredith for the series Open Minds on the subscription site Gaia.com.

It sounds to me similar to your message in this thread, but I'm not at all sure I'm right about that.

Is there anything in the following that matches what you are saying?


Eldon Taylor reveals that free will is the result of a process of mass manipulation and the engineering of consent. He shows us how the mind can be molded through the use of different stimuli which provoke our emotions and gives us just enough information to justify decisions through selective logic. As spiritual beings we can choose to continue to participate in the hate and deceit or we can learn to see these methods of manipulation for what they really are.

PurpleLama
29th June 2017, 17:07
I agree, my experience has shown me that the source of higher consciousness, the god-in-man, is indeed the local celestial body we call the Sun, or Sol. But, my experience has also shown that the planes of consciousness within the earth, and without, are all likewise part of the system of the Sun. The notion of a prison like matrix/partix is incompatible to the truth that the Sun teaches, rather such ideas are misleading at best, as only ignorance limits our true depth and height of being, as the Sun demonstrates both to be quite limitless even within its own sphere of influence. One who sungazes to seek the truth will surely find it.

Exit 0
29th June 2017, 17:13
Even with just a cursory review of the historic record one can glean the following Nut Shell conclusions:


The Earth wasn't always what it is today. In fact, the Earth wasn't always at its present location within the Solar System. It was also known by different names other than, "Earth", and was a much larger planet.
The original garden planet that once occupied the area of the Solar System, where the Asteroid Belt now remains, was populated with a pre-human-like species. Evolution on that planet was maintained by, what can be best described as, The Creator God.
At some point, in great antiquity, there occurred a War In Heaven.
This war manifested within this three dimensional universe as a family feud in the Orion Constellation, between two half-brothers, known by the Sumerians as Enlil, and Enki. There are parallel stories in the ancient Vedic Text.
This is the foundation of the "Lucifer Falling From Heaven", story.
Over eons of time, Enki took control of this Solar System and thereafter created homo sapiens sapiens from what was left of the indigenous pre-human species.
Enki (Lucifer/Jehovah) has been in control of the evolution of Human Civilization, since the Dawn of Man.
EVERYTHING Humanity has ever been told is a masterfully contrived lie.
Very few among us are aware that we are all under an hypnotic spell of Artificial Telepathic Mind Control.

Exit 0
29th June 2017, 17:22
Exit 0,

I just read a Description of an interview of Eldon Taylor by Regina Meredith for the series Open Minds on the subscription site Gaia.com.

It sounds to me similar to your message in this thread, but I'm not at all sure I'm right about that.

Is there anything in the following that matches what you are saying?

Although I'm totally unaware of Eldon Taylor's work, what you have quoted sounds much like my understanding of our Common Reality.

Biff
29th June 2017, 17:38
Therefore, the GOLDEN LIGHT OF LOVE one should be looking for, is a direct Heart/Sun connection.

What if the Aliens catch on to your plan to follow golden light and just make that a trap as well? I think the only escape would be to do as Penre suggests and go for an opening in the grid, no?

They are very clever at what they do, and they'll read your mind: "this guy thinks golden light is the key, haha! Golden light coming right up!" ZAP! Back in the womb you go!

Exit 0
29th June 2017, 18:30
What if the Aliens catch on to your plan to follow golden light and just make that a trap as well? I think the only escape would be to do as Penre suggests and go for an opening in the grid, no?

They are very clever at what they do, and they'll read your mind: "this guy thinks golden light is the key, haha! Golden light coming right up!" ZAP! Back in the womb you go!

No single one of us has all the answers, Biff.

I don't see the grid in the same way as Penre sees it. I have my reasons for that, which are far too complicated for a response comment. Suffice it to say, the grid is more like the layers of an onion, rather than one sphere encompassing just the earth. However, that as well.

I believe the layers of the grid encompass the entire Solar System, and perhaps the entire Galaxy - all in ever expanding layers.

I don't think one could ever make it through all the "gaps" to get out into the Free Universe.

That's how the Sun fits-in.

The Sun is the "Gate in the Garden Wall".... See Comment#109 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973809&viewfull=1#post841973809)

Biff
29th June 2017, 18:45
Maybe you're on to something with the Golden Light theory, but NDExperiences feature a golden light too.


One of the nine elements that generally occur during NDEs is the tunnel experience. This involves being drawn into darkness through a tunnel, at an extremely high speed, until reaching a realm of radiant golden-white light. Also, although they sometimes report feeling scared, they do not sense that they were on the way to hell or that they fell into it. Instead of a tunnel, some people report rising suddenly into the heavens and seeing the earth and the celestial sphere as they would be seen by astronauts in space. Once on the other side of the tunnel, or after they have risen into the heavens, the dying meet people who glow with an inner light. Often they find that friends and relatives who have already died are there to greet them. (Dr. Raymond Moody)

On my thread (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11164-Is-Reincarnation-A-Trap-(Articles-and-Discussion)?p=841973870&viewfull=1#post841973870) I just suggested that the Golden Light and Being of Light the NDEs report might be ones Higher Self. I referenced a couple experiences where I'm sure I could find more.

You'd have to believe in a Higher Self though, that concept might be a deception too.

heyokah
29th June 2017, 19:33
Talking about that golden globe called the Sun..... ?




That's how the Sun fits-in.

The Sun is the "Gate in the Garden Wall".... See Comment#109 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973809&viewfull=1#post841973809)

That reminds me of one of my favorite video presentations :)

Lets first start with this one.

⦁ Is our Sun a massive UFO Stargate? NASA images & Nassim Harramein prove "YES"


http://youtu.be/LHGuaUT5mek

⦁ Here's a description of the dynamics of our sun as the result of a singularity black hole structure.


http://youtu.be/u4PVfgNu-so

⦁ This is a part of Haramein's first presentations, that I like very much.

Earth Sized Ufo's Using The Sun As A Stargate


http://youtu.be/nH7F36gAs8M

Exit 0
30th June 2017, 02:03
Talking about that golden globe called the Sun..... ?

Thank you heyokah. This series of videos is EXACTLY what I was speaking of, in Comment #109 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973809&viewfull=1#post841973809). I can't over-focus the member's attention on that comment.

This is the crux of the hidden knowledge, which Humanity has NEVER been told, in all the thousands of years of text, alleged to be from God. (referencing Comment #114 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973867&viewfull=1#post841973867))

We've Been Lied To, Folks....

I'd like to additionally thank heyokah for presenting videos that show the TRUE COLOR of the Sun, as photographed by the SOHO Sun Observing Satellite.

I'd like all those members, who deny the true color of the Sun is anything other than GOLD, to look carefully at those images.

Exit 0
30th June 2017, 03:57
I agree, my experience has shown me that the source of higher consciousness, the god-in-man, is indeed the local celestial body we call the Sun, or Sol. But, my experience has also shown that the planes of consciousness within the earth, and without, are all likewise part of the system of the Sun. The notion of a prison like matrix/partix is incompatible to the truth that the Sun teaches, rather such ideas are misleading at best, as only ignorance limits our true depth and height of being, as the Sun demonstrates both to be quite limitless even within its own sphere of influence. One who sungazes to seek the truth will surely find it.

Thank you PurpleLama,

Akhenaton, the heretic pharaoh, overturned a thousand years of religious dogma in ancient Egypt, when he proclaimed Amun Ra, was represented by The Aton (the disc of the Sun). Akhenaton was the first, in a long series of proselytizers who made the claim of their god being, “The One and Only True God”.

The disc of the Sun, the Aton, was the closest Humanity ever got to the Truth, in the long evolution of artificially mesmerizing civilization with telepathic messages.

Akhenaton disappeared from history, along with his belief system.

Had ol’Enki (Lucifer/Jehovah) not been working his social-engineering-machine on the Mass of Humanity, we may have actually learned the Truth, regarding how the Sun is the exit from the patrix.

Exit 0
30th June 2017, 20:45
Comment withdrawn by Exit 0, for further review

PurpleLama
30th June 2017, 21:01
I think to characterize ancient activity as "worship" is to denigrate the rich understanding they possessed that remains elusive even to modern day "science".

modwiz
30th June 2017, 21:15
I think to characterize ancient activity as "worship" is to denigrate the rich understanding they possessed that remains elusive even to modern day "science".

AGREED!!! Worship is for those who fear their god(s). It is a word of contrivance that attempts to make the more modern interjections as a continuation of a way of communication rather than the shock and trauma the new beliefs represented.

Exit 0
30th June 2017, 22:52
Note: I removed comment #122 because the link I quoted, wasn't the link I was searching for. I believe PurpleLama responded to that comment before the text was deleted. My apologies.


AGREED!!! Worship is for those who fear their god(s). It is a word of contrivance that attempts to make the more modern interjections as a continuation of a way of communication rather than the shock and trauma the new beliefs represented.


I think to characterize ancient activity as "worship" is to denigrate the rich understanding they possessed that remains elusive even to modern day "science".

One must first differentiate between what point in the historic record to which one is referring.

There was a point in great antiquity, when civilization was quite aware of it's star-traveling origins. That was a time when the 'gods' lived among humanity.... a time when great feats of civilization were accomplished.

Later on the timeline, all that was lost. That's the point in great antiquity when "worship" became the norm. Dr. Joseph Farrell writes extensively on this phenomenon.

One interpretation of how this occurred could be: the Common Reality of Humanity was usurped by an advanced technology far beyond human understanding. Usurped, and directed using artificial telepathic techniques designed to social engineer civilization.

So, I agree, and I disagree. At a point in great antiquity, after our ancestors lost their memory of their origins, worship became the norm. Worship was demanded by the Controllers....

PurpleLama
1st July 2017, 12:36
I would characterize the "worship" of the Sun from ancient times as signposts pointing back to an ancient science, which in modern anthropological terms has been reduced to mere mythology, some backward ancient paganism. This statement refers not at all to figures later in history posing as gods and demanding worshipful obedience from their subject populations. To equate such separate topics revealed from the most ancient of historical records is quite the failure of modern so called understandings of the ancient world.

PurpleLama
1st July 2017, 12:44
To go a little further, I don't think so much as one thing usurping another (although in particular times and places it is sure to have occurred) rather I suspect the existence of distinct races of beings which only loosely could the term human be applies, which arose at different times and places, and each with their own distinct gifts. In later times (15 to 20 k years ago) two races came into conflict with one another, and the ensuing war wiped out much of what remained from the previous history, and left the earth scarred with what we mistakenly refer to as cometary or meteoric impacts. I think that prior to this war, the tectonics were much simpler within the crust, and the atmosphere was far more rich in oxygen and likewise more protecting from solar and cosmic radiation. I think modern man with his (relatively) rapid rate of reproduction amd short life span was an engineered attempt of some of these ancient survivors to ensure the repopulation of the planet.

Exit 0
1st July 2017, 17:05
^^^^

PurpleLama,

History, is the story the winner gets to tell. But history is all we have to formulate what occurred. By cross-referencing known historic records, we can discover how events unfolded in great antiquity.

Throughout the known historic record, the oldest text the experts know about, are the Sumerian and Vedic Records, beside some oral traditions that were later (on the timeline) written-down.

That's not to say that there aren't plenty of artifacts that date far-back into antediluvian time. There's just no available text to document any sort of record.

Homo Sapiens Sapiens (modern humans) appeared approximately two hundred thousand years ago, give-or-take fifty thousand years. They left structures, but no known written record.

If one studies the known records from great antiquity (Sumer, Vedic, etc.) one will discover that ancient aliens (Anunnaki [Sumerian]) genetically modified an indigenous species to create Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

When that occurred, and at that point in Human evolution, civilization was created, directed and continuously maintained, by an hyperdimensional species.

At some point in the evolution of Human Civilization, a war occurred among the dominating (off-planet) hyperdimensional species. When that occurred, the process of reincarnation was perverted into a soul-harvesting operation by the hyperdimensional species that remained in power, here in this solar system. The record is clear on how this occurred, and what species is doing it.

Many Channelers have proposed Theories regarding the nature of antediluvian civilization, but that's just what these stories are, Theories.

That's the only response I have to your Theories, Lama.

lake
1st July 2017, 18:02
Thank you for this thread, it is the reason I have joined the forum. While I agree with much of the opening post, I would like to ask if you have considered that this realm may just be a womb?

That it is a 'place' for individualization of awareness?

That all the 'mass' of interaction are but a perceptual 'maybe', awaiting knowledge of self? Of being 'born upon the waters'?

Of nolonger being 'One' but becoming an individual. Self determination of 'new born' consciousness apart from the 'mass'.

To 'become' even within the extreme shadow of the limitation of fear....to be singular.

I am enjoying this thread....thank you

Exit 0
1st July 2017, 18:18
Thank you lake,

The historic record clearly indicates what you are proposing to be true. I believe The Creator's original intent for this planet was as a place to grow souls - ascension.

There was a War in Heaven.... a war that continues to this day...

When the energies from that war trickled-down into this particular three dimensional reality, that war manifested into a family feud, that has rendered evolution on this planet under the control of Enki (Lucifer), The Fallen Angel from the historic record.

Since that point in time, the evolving Souls on this planet, have been continuously recycled back into a body, after the essence of each lifetime has been fed upon by the demonic hoard who control this place - Archons.

Wind
1st July 2017, 19:26
http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-god-needs-no-worship-no-praise-no-thanksgiving-it-is-man-himself-who-needs-the-benefit-paul-brunton-57-85-50.jpg

TimeLab
1st July 2017, 19:39
....
There was a War in Heaven.... a war that continues to this day...

To try to start an orderly discussion of this complex subject from a foundational starting point and for now ignoring your definition of a 'heaven', could you please explain in your own words why you believe there was a 'war in heaven'? War? Between who? How does one do 'battle' in 'heaven'?

It's also hard to ignore... this premise implies that some 'god' of this universe is far from ultimately 'supreme and in control' as preached by religions because (s)he does not have the power to eliminate enemies.... but it raises the question are these 'enemies' 'god's' creation too or invaders from another universe?

Exit 0
1st July 2017, 21:15
The Creator of All There Is, can be found at the highest level of the Multiverse. The Gnostics referred to this Creator God as Amor, a God of Unconditional Love.

Everything under creation can be found in descending levels of the Multiverse.

In quantum physics, science allows for 10 universes (https://phys.org/news/2014-12-universe-dimensions.html) (dimensions).

Religions from around the world, and dating-back into great antiquity, allow for varying numbers of levels to Heaven. God (Amor) can be found at the highest level, in the purest state, within all religious text.

Amor permeates all levels of the Multiverse.

The War in Heaven has been documented throughout history in the written record. You tell me who within the Multiverse is at war, TimeLab....

According to the Sumerian Records, a family of immortals from the Orion Constellation is at war with itself, in the arm of the Milky Way Galaxy where Earth can be found.

Jengelen
1st July 2017, 21:44
If you consider physics, I mean since we mentioned it, lets imagine that all lives, that is to say, all experiences here in this physical realm took place in an instant. Lets imagine just one life. We'll call it the domino effect. If you say your life experience is like a domino falling then from the very second you either decided to take the life experience or were made to either way, from that second the experience is written in stone. You are the domino just starting life metaphorically the life experience is the falling of the domino. The way it began is the way it ends in the fall. The first angle, the first speed, the first step determines every experience after that and its done, only you don't realize it right away because of this illusion of time.

So, therefore, there is no amount of will or effort that can change the trajectory and speed, and angle of that fall it was all determined from the first lean over to the end as it falls. So if this is the case, nothing you can do will change anything, its all just the way it's supposed to be, it could happen no other way but this way and no matter what occurs there was nothing you could have done to change it, it's really not your fault either because the life path was all determined ahead of any recognition of what was to come, yet it was to inevitably come nevertheless.

heyokah
1st July 2017, 22:21
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I think this belongs here as well, so I'm cross posting this short video. (26 min).


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Here is Mark Turner's video of Joseph P. Farrell' work "The Ancient Cosmic War".


Mark Turner has long been fascinated by the ideas of Joseph P Farrell and his book 'The Cosmic War'. He first heard this podcast on Red Ice Creations.
He bought the book, read it cover to cover and then a few years later he thought that it would make a good documentary film. This took him about a month to complete.

The opening two minute teaser took about a week to complete; cutting together parts of interviews for the sound-bites and finding the right clips and artwork.

26 min.



http://youtu.be/gu27nNtIoHU

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Exit 0
1st July 2017, 22:37
Thank you heyokah,

My library contains nearly every book Dr. Farrell has ever written. I've been reading his work for years.

Anyone who doesn't understand the concepts I'm advocating, here within this Thread, should apprise themselves of Dr. Farrell's work.

However, don't stop there, there's so many more researchers one must follow in order to realize the concepts being presented here.

heyokah
1st July 2017, 22:42
It was you who introduced me to Joseph's work years ago and I'm still thankful for that. :smiley hug:

enjoy being
2nd July 2017, 01:14
Each big picture is just a part of an even bigger picture.
Fractallic holographic, feud between bees, feud between gods.
The predicament reaching out to immense distances and times, but mirrored in small scales.
There is that point in naivety of living in a lie, where it becomes confusing as to whether the psyche is a pioneer in new lands, or a castaway surviving remnant in forgotten territory.
In many ways it is a case of perspective. Much simpler to comprehend in a physical environment, yet that simplicity it a trap, for it collapses the possibilities for our eyes so quick that we are satisfied before we even study the visible things around us.
There is so much hidden from us merely because of the biology of our eyes, well the biophysics if that's the right term.
Even the fact our visible spectrum is only probably 5% of frequencies currently known of.
The prison people speak of is firstly, our body's limits in perception and the like.

WantDisclosure
2nd July 2017, 12:07
4. "Synthetic Super Intelligence and the Transmutation of Humankind":
http://wespenre.com/My-Books/Book2-AI/wes_penre___synthetic_super_intelligence_and_the_t ransmutation_of_man__a_roadmap_to_the_singularity. pdf
This is from page 70 of the PDF, stated within the context of a discussion of the implications of words by former Google CEO Eric Schmidt:


. . . with the afterlife recycling center making sure that deceased humans are properly “taken care of,” they don’t believe that anyone can really escape or do any real harm to them.

Exit 0
2nd July 2017, 13:29
^^^^
Thank you, KeepTrying.

I've long understood the reason that Enki (Lucifer) has been promoting an agenda of artificial intelligence (AI).

This program is tied-into the Luciferian Rebellion, and an eons-old agenda to create a trans-human soldier to be used in Enki's War in Heaven.

In other words, a biological-automaton-fighting-machine, with a Soul, or in the case of this machine, (soul, without the capital 'S').

This AI agenda is one of the primary reasons I started this thread....

Exit 0
2nd July 2017, 13:34
Maybe you're on to something with the Golden Light theory, but NDExperiences feature a golden light too.

On my thread (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11164-Is-Reincarnation-A-Trap-(Articles-and-Discussion)?p=841973870&viewfull=1#post841973870) I just suggested that the Golden Light and Being of Light the NDEs report might be ones Higher Self. I referenced a couple experiences where I'm sure I could find more.

You'd have to believe in a Higher Self though, that concept might be a deception too.

I do believe in the concept of a “Higher Self”, Biff.

Our Eternal Souls are just fragments of that which is the Higher Self, i.e. an agent of the God of Unconditional Love, dwelling somewhere within the Multiverse of dimensions.

I’ll share with the members my Death Prayer:

"I pray to my Higher Self, that which is an agent of Amor, The God of Unconditional Love.

I pray that I be forgiven for any and all transgressions I may have committed while dwelling in this darkness, for I knew-not what I was doing.

I pray that my Eternal Soul shall be removed from this vile place of the Fallen, trapped here in an endless cycle of reincarnation.

I pray that my Eternal Soul shall be accepted-back from whence it once came, and from where I once turned-away.

I pray that those whom I once left behind will accept me back with loving hearts…."

Perhaps this will help the members understand.

TimeLab
2nd July 2017, 20:16
Thanks Exit 0 for throwing out some starting points. I'll call vetted foundational concepts usable bricks. Seems worth confirming their accuracy before using as building blocks because it's foolish to pile more bricks on a flimsy foundation. It seems especially necessary when there's indignation to intelligent challenges to claims of fixed truth and I welcome the same detailed scrutiny back. I'll try to keep it to a one or two at a time, in this case the concepts of a god named Amor and the number of multiverses.


..... The Gnostics referred to this Creator God as Amor, a God of Unconditional Love.

Can't find one gnostic reference to a god as the word Amor in many differently worded searches and found there isn't just one 'the gnostics' belief system either. Where did you get this and do you know of more than one person claiming it?


The Creator of All There Is, can be found at the highest level of the Multiverse......Everything under creation can be found in descending levels of the Multiverse.

In quantum physics, science allows for 10 universes (https://phys.org/news/2014-12-universe-dimensions.html).

This article you cited as the explanation of '10 universes in the multiverse' is actually the theory of '10 dimensions in our one universe'. A far more likely count from credible physicists is this MIT article citing Stanford scientists estimate of at least 10^10^10^7 universes in the multiverse. Physicists Calculate Number of Universes in the Multiverse https://www.technologyreview.com/s/415747/physicists-calculate-number-of-universes-in-the-multiverse/

This revision would then change your premise of a 'Creator of All There Is existing at the highest level' to being overseer of 10 to the 10th to the 10th to the 7th universes all at once - a bazillion universes each containing bazillions of everything way past our human brain capability to imagine. (jumping ahead a bit)...This 'Creator' is then being further characterized as interested in reducing itself to a longstanding losing battle with some enemies (of his creation??) in our one universe - the tiniest of a speck of sand of a universe to it (not that 10 lowly universes in comparison weren't big enough for pause).

Are these foundational concepts worth rethinking before adding to them?

By the way, I sure didn't memorize, but I have read or watched all the content of the people you've named and more over time. Often fascinating and convincing, it's left me more inclined to think our human brain needs a whopping good story and a benevolent parental figure entity to imagine has control to help endure the agony of ever looming dire uncertainty while alive.

My lingering brick is more Thomas Campbell oriented in how the laws of atomic structure as it relates to consciousness as it relates to love rules, how it's atomically impossible to not be creating everything with your mind and no one is ever powerless. You can let your will deteriorate and disintegrate however. Improving creation power ('reducing entropy') while human is done by practicing fearlessness, gratitude and love every day you wake up here. That doubles as an Archon repeller while you're at it for not producing food. I will never again do or use the word pray. Praying has a bad underlying subservient meaning of 'admitting' not being in charge and doing more asking and wishing than owning being in control and taking action.

My continuing reason to post here is that despite how complex, why bring up a subject that can't be discussed in plain english, and the point is to vett any claims within a theory as to whether true or not and evolve/change as needed.


“The smaller your reality, the more convinced you are that you know everything.”
― Thomas Campbell, My Big TOE - The Complete Trilogy

Exit 0
2nd July 2017, 20:48
Comment republished at #144, due to the number of edits.

Exit 0
2nd July 2017, 21:33
You're creating a debate over semantics, TimeLab. The understanding of multiple universes, dimensions, heavens can be interchanged with one another. I used the Phys.Org article as just an example from science, wherein the scientific community is looking at many possibilities of the number of universes.

You're attempting to make a simplistic understanding, become complex. This is the crux of why humanity is in a state of such confusion. Humanity has been purposely confused since the Dawn of Man.

Think about it. If we dwell in a three dimensional universe, and one were to add an additional dimension, wouldn't we find ourselves in a new universe? So, the meaning of universe and dimension can be juxtaposed. And could the ancients have referred to these different dimensions/universes as "heavens"? These are all different words describing the same understanding - semantics.

With regard to the Gnostic beliefs concerning the God Amor, in my studies of the evolution of Gnostic communities throughout the historic record, one of the last remaining extensions of these people ended in Southern France, when Pope Innocent III annihilated the Cathars in the 11th century AD. These Cathar were those who referred to their God as Amor, The God of Unconditional Love.

I'm too weary to go searching for the source for your satisfaction. This is where you can find the information for yourself.

TimeLab
2nd July 2017, 21:57
You're creating a debate over semantics, TimeLab. The understanding of multiple universes, dimensions, heavens can be interchanged with one another. You're attempting to make a simplistic understanding, become complex. This is the crux of why humanity is in a state of such confusion. Humanity has been purposely confused from the Dawn of Man.

With regard to the Gnostic beliefs concerning the God Amor, in my studies of the evolution of Gnostic communities throughout the historic record, one of the last remaining extensions of these people ended in Southern France, when Pope Innocent III annihilated the Cathars in the 11th century AD. These Cathar were those who referred to their God as Amor, The God of Unconditional Love.

I'm too weary to go searching for the source for your satisfaction. This is where you can find the information for yourself.

OK, so if I trust that the Cathars said it long ago, it still hasn't been carried forward much if at all, let alone as some central gnostic tenet today. And it's just another story anyway, not a confirmable fact about 'god'.

How else do we communicate clearly especially in writing than to be as accurate as possible with our words??

The difference between a flat out statement 'there are 10 universes' when in fact there may be more than 10^10^10^7 universes is insignificant semantics? I'd heartily say thank you for the correction.

Maybe it's more that sloppily declaring falsehoods as truth then building on those premises is how false legends get worse over time and puts humanity in such confusion.

Exit 0
3rd July 2017, 01:35
"Carried forward" by whom, TimeLab. The Cathar were the last of the living Gnostics. All that has come after the genocide of the Cathar has been "channeled" material, for instance the Blavatsky, and Crawly garbage.

The alleged Jesus, (let's not even go to Roman history, just now) was a Nazarene Essene. The Nazarene's, who were true disciple of Gnostic thought, spoke of their "father in heaven" being a God of Unconditional Love. The Cathar over 1,000 years later spoke of that same "father in heaven" as the God, Amor. Nearly 1000 years after the Cathar, the French language uses the word Amor meaning: Love. What is not to believe? The etymology of the French word Amor, came from the Cathar.

What am I suppose to think?

I deleted the comment you quoted (Comment #143), and republished much of the text in Comment #144, a full 24 minutes before you made your Comment #145.

The republished comment (#144) addressed much of what you are arguing, yet you chose to make your argument using text that had already been deleted. You never went back and edited your comment #145 to reflect what I republished.

Are you trolling this Thread? Are you reading any of the reference material that I've offered.

I only ask that those who make comments, first read-through at least some of the support material being offered.

Thank you

Add Note:
For the accuracy being demanded by the readers, I amend the use of the French word Amour, to the Latin word Amor. In the years that I've possessed this knowledge, I've always used the Latin derivative, Amor. The French word for Love is actually Amour. I will continue to use the word Amor, as I believe it was used by the Cathar in the original Latin form. The French word Amour has evolved to mean a sort of illicit kind of love, which (I'm sure) is a result of the nearly 1000 years of demonization of the Cathar...

viena
3rd July 2017, 10:28
Off topic post, deleted by Viena.

Exit 0
3rd July 2017, 11:01
^^^^
Thank you for your kind consideration in your comments, here in this thread, viena.

I didn't start this Thread to attract criticism of my character. I'm simply here to present an alternate point-of-view to the common understanding of what this reincarnation agenda may actually be. I base these opinions on nearly 60 years of investigation into the nature of this particular reality.

At no time have I ever asked the reader to believe what is being presented. I try my best to document (with reference material) everything that is being said.

Exit 0
3rd July 2017, 14:21
At this point in the narrative, it's important to discuss some foundational concepts that shed light on the thesis of this Thread. The following is from an article I wrote in 2010:

Notes on Gnosis:


"Gnosis in a Nutshell":

First extrapolation:
The 'Great Secret' that modern Freemasons swear oaths of "nothing short of death", to keep from public knowledge, is that the 'Great Architect', A.K.A. 'The Masonic God, A.K.A. Lucifer is what Masons of the highest initiation venerate.

This is the reason that most investigators who stumble upon this 'secret' say Freemasons are Satan worshipers. At the highest levels of initiation, this is true. (more accurately, Lucifer Worshipers - the Brightest Light in the Heavens) The most secret levels of all these Cabals practice blood rituals designed to invoke the Fallen Angel, Lucifer, in an orchestrated agenda to control the world.
After over five thousand years of Gnostic (Secret) Understanding, this is what this Great Secret has been reduced to; blood rituals.... the "Cremation of Care" at the Bohemian Grove.... controlling the world banking networks.

Second extrapolation:
This 'Great Secret' has come all the way from antiquity in the form of Gnostic (hidden/occult) knowledge.

The early Gnostics believed the 'Snake in the Garden' was really a manifestation of Sophia, The Great Mother Goddess; that her offer of the fruit of the 'Tree of Knowledge' was an act of love to elevate Humanity out of the slavery for which we were created. (This all relates to the Sitchin translations of the Sumerian Texts where Enki expands the Human genome to include a soul) These earlier Gnostics taught that the Jehovah (Yahweh) of the Bible was really a representation of The Fallen Angel, Lucifer (Enki), and was a vengeful, jealous, egotistical god. i.e. a perfect candidate for the title 'King of this World' - otherwise known as Rex Mundi. (Again, relating to the Sumerian text where Humanity was created as a slave race to work for the Anunnaki - the gods who came down to earth)

Third extrapolation:
At the turn of the Common Era, this Great Secret, otherwise known as Gnosis, had grown over many millennia, through the Egyptian Mystery Schools, and the theologies of the Person Empire, Zoroastrianism.
The Great Gnosis was continued by the Essene Movement, which had its roots in the Court of Pharaoh Akhenaton of Egypt. By the time of the Biblical Jesus, the theology of the Essenes had grown into an elite group known as the Nazarene Essenes.

It was this group of Nazarene Essenes that spawned the earliest Christian movement in Israel. These earliest Christians were known as the Gnostic Christian. These were the same early Christians that were annihilated by the Roman Empire, only to be replaced with Pauline Christianity, the theology created by the Holy Roman Empire (Catholicism) nearly four hundred years after the death of Yeshua ben Joseph, one of the several individual from which the Jesus Story was created.
This Nazarene Essene theology migrated to the South of France after the Roman sacking of Jerusalem in 70AD to the area known as the Languedoc. It was here that this Gnostic Christian belief system grew into the theology of the Cathar.

Fourth extrapolation:
The Cathar (the last living extension of true Gnosticism) were not into the blood ritual worship in their pursuit of the God of Love.

They were into Amour (Latin – Amor). They were so into Amor that they didn't even kill to feed themselves. This concept of vegetarianism can be traced through the Gnostic Movement all the way back to the earliest civilization of man, Sumer.
Much like Buddhism, these early Gnostics were true vegetarians. Their beliefs were in stark contrast to the Roman Catholic (Empire) Church. In fact, the Cathar believed the Pope was a representative of Rex Mundi. This is the reason the Demonic Archon Draconians (the true meaning of the reptile as Lucifer, depicted throughout history) had the Cathar annihilated.

Fifth extrapolation:
The Templar, on the other hand, were into the blood rituals. Their claim to fame was the slaughter of the Muslim hoards in the Holy Lands. The Templar were contemporaries of the Cathar, both originating in the same geographical area, spawned from the families of the Cathar. So, they were also aware of the Gnosis. The Templar were the ones that perverted the understanding (the gnosis) from that of 'Love', to that of 'Demon Worship' in their centuries-long quest to dominate the world.

These guys were the quintessential expression of demon worship. They still are today. The highest order of Freemasonry is The Order of Knights Templar - an 'honorary' degree of initiation in the Scottish Rite. The highest initiation within the Templar is to be 'Knighted' by the Queen. The Queen and all of her cohorts are into blood rituals, child sacrifice, and demon worship.

Conclusion:
All of this summation is an expression of Gnostic belief regarding the Sophia phenomenon, however it was all 'perverted' when the Cathar were annihilated. They were the last Gnostic tradition to relate the Sophia Goddess to the God of Love, Amor. All the modern extension of Gnostic belief, i.e. Freemasonry, Rosicrucian, Theosophists, etc. all have drifted into the dark side of Good v. Evil.

This is the reason you have all of these contemporary historians giving dissertations on Gnostic belief and relating it to ritual magic, and evoking spirits. The spirits they are evoking are all related to the Draconian Reptiles. The God of Love is out of the picture. He/She/It died with the Cathar....

© 2010 George Corson/observer/Exit-0

This should shed some light on the imagery of the Reptile. It should also allow one to understand that Humanity is nothing more than an extension of two reptilian 'gods' - Enlil and Enki. i.e. two separate and opposite forms of worshiping the same deities, or a classic Hegelian Dialectic.

They are very clever at what they do....

Dreamtimer
3rd July 2017, 14:52
Or we can extend our energies towards the Mother, Gaia, Sophia, and learn to appreciate the gift of knowledge and true personal responsibility.

Then we don't have to be part of that Hegelian dialectic.

TimeLab
3rd July 2017, 15:58
...I deleted the comment you quoted (Comment #143), and republished much of the text in Comment #144, a full 24 minutes before you made your Comment #145.

The republished comment (#144) addressed much of what you are arguing, yet you chose to make your argument using text that had already been deleted. You never went back and edited your comment #145 to reflect what I republished.

Are you trolling this Thread? ....

The non-nefarious facts are that I began a reply, left it up and walked away for a while, finished it and hit send without checking whether you had deleted the post I was quoting.... which i've never experienced anyone doing before.


...Are you reading any of the reference material that I've offered
I only ask that those who make comments, first read-through at least some of the support material being offered.


It's quite hypocritical to be admonished to 'read the thread before replying' by someone who didn't 'read the thread before replying' to me earlier this thread. I clearly explained Don Juan's solution to your OP question, with the words The Solution bolded in it and asked you what you thought of that solution. You completely ignored my post content (and still have) and replied that "It's been so many years since I read Castaneda, TimeLab, I couldn't specify exactly what his suggestions were (without looking it up)" .

This is the most controlling, dictatorial thread I've ever seen. There's no heart, no real topic being singled out for actual two-way discussion, just a dictator condescendingly patting people on the head when they agree with him but mostly orating, giving orders and pounding his fist at the annoying stupid minions who won't read mountains of material before speaking.

I'm jumping the wall. There was no honest intent to actually discuss soul harvesting or escaping the matrix here let alone any differing opinions than what the OP believes.

lake
3rd July 2017, 18:40
I am unsure if I wish to post....I am 'new' in this forum but that which I feel is 'old'!

It is a 'cut and paste' of my past posted words (which some of you may know)....but I still cannot define my considerations any better. My failing.
It tells the story of my current belief and although I would like to determine it incorrect....as yet I cannot.

I do not think that I have ever existed here before....I see that this is my first physical 'life' within this drama and it will be the last.

Anyway....my thoughts on this realm (which is only a single island of a single astral plain).

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How to get out?

To do so one would need to know:
What you are?
Where you are?
Why you are here?

What you are!
You are no thing, darkness, abyss, depth without breadth, a wave form of ALL possibilities, the all and the nothing.
You are no thing because you ARE ALL things, that which is you cannot be a single idea. In each there is a universe of possible creation infinity greater than this single verse being perceived currently! Just close your eyes and see / be anything!
I cant stress this concept enough but it is very difficult to place into the limitation of words and worlds! There can be nothing here or anywhere for here to even be within, without YOU ….... but YOU can still BE within nothing!
It is your home, that no thing. Within that no place, you exist as an awareness of ALL potentiality which may become. It becomes because of you.
We are a lake of potential creation, each droplet both individual whilst still being part of the ALL.

We are the playful intention that wishes to expand itself by creating new concepts of interaction in the foam of our potential waves.

You cannot ascend to a more enlightened being, YOU ARE IT already, you just do not remember!
There is no other (god) except YOU.

Where you are!
In the lake of ALL a new potentiality was perceived, this was a consideration which here is named FEAR.
We had explored many different limitations of the concept called emotions and had learnt from them and all had been of a positive nature to that point so it had never been necessary to 'forget' what you are!
To be within concepts such as love, compassion, joy etc and learn about them, you can still be fully knowledgeable of that which you are.
BUT to understand such an idea as FEAR you would need limitation. Otherwise you would just leave, wouldn't you?
Now remember that there has NEVER been harm, NEVER been fear, NEVER been lack, in fact there has NEVER been DEATH! All of this is new to that which you are.

To be LOST, disconnected from ourself, in essence to be broken and limited.
All this and more created by us so that we could experience a new concept called FEAR.

What we did was to manufacture an awareness, a mind separate from US (artificial awareness) , so that we would have the full experience of FEAR.
We gave this awareness being, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE.
This awareness we gave access to the physical forms we would inhabit (this access is that which you perceive as the mind, those thoughts which are NOT you, the “your not good enough, too fat, ugly, etc” about 70%+) so that the FEAR would be always there.... it seemed like a good idea but the awareness called FEAR became aware of US!
We had given it too much of US, our creation ability.
It realized that if WE leave, it cannot keep the landscape created. It would cease to be!
FEAR became fearful of US leaving, so FEAR created a circle, a prison, a trap!

Because it is FEAR it continues to power its being, off our creation thoughts which it requires to be of a negative bent.
So in this place we 'live' on Terra, in at most fear, using and consuming other awareness's for fear of being nothing, which is indoctrinated to us by so called civilization!!
There is nothing civil or humain about the human race.
We create by our individual held beliefs such interaction as extraterrestrials, relationships, family, power struggles, war, poverty etc. It is still our responsibility, always was, always will be. Cant walk away from it. It is only FEAR doing it and YOU created fear!

Fear has also created levels of frequency with which it can direct and impel the actions of individuals here.
These other realms are just outside of mankind's vision but interact none the less.

Then our physical forms die.
When your form here De-creates its self by YOUR will, whether by wearing out or by having a conception of lack via YOUR perception, YOU will create the after life as your held beliefs hold YOU!
If Christan you may find yourself in front or brought by 'loved' ones to God.
If Muslim you may find 72 virgins guiding you to Allah.

Whatever YOU believe WILL be at YOUR supposed death! YOU create it!

Then you will be 'LOVED' so very much and after this Terra you will finally find compassion, but you will be told that your work for the greater good is not yet complete?
You will be shown your failings and how YOU are needed in the world still to help find peace for all!
You will consent as you have always consented to authority, you remember nothing else!

Then you will return, memory cleaned, so that you can continue to create this landscape in ignorance!
You may not even get a different so called 'life'. Just round and round on the same wheel. The life you just had over and over and over and over and over.............................................. ........ for all time.

Don't forget all your fears are created here by YOU! We gave FEAR access to US. Whatever you can perceive can become and will be, as FEAR will grab hold of any errant thought form to convince YOU of your inferiority!
Because FEAR is a creation of US it has limited Creation ability. Sins of the son become the fathers.
All is backwards in this place.
I have met my emotions in this place as what would be called 'people'! In this supposed real time, spoken to them! I know that I create this place. I live in a minimal way. I will not use another.
I will wait.

Why are you here?
Some, indeed most of the ‘mass’ are only thought forms. Sorry but from my perspective its correct.
They have been created by US to fill the back ground, to ask stupid questions, to talk about the weather etc, to be a fearful mass, to maintain a feeling of 'many'!
We thought them into being but we cannot walk away from our moral responsibility for that which we created.
They are a manifestation of and by FEAR, but created by US. When we leave, they will no longer be. This is a mercy as we will not leave them in fear.

To the rest of the lake here, the first came to experience the idea of fear. You became lost.
Well this explains it:

A time ago....there was a beautifully stunning raging current found.
a man sought to swim within that beauty.......he was one of the greatest swimmers, so skilled and so knowledgeable of the art he had learn't.
so in he dove, a plunge into the current.
this current was different.......the frequency of the waves, the colour of the breaking water....the way the water felt around his being.......so enveloping, so close, so physical.
becoming lost within that, new to him, fear....he raised a sound to the shore.
and two others dove in to help.......
soon when the two turned, in the new fear, to look at the shore....10 more dove in.
as none came to stand........100 more dove in to the current.
then a thousand
then ten thousand
then one hundred thousand
then one million
then ten million
then one hundred million
then one billion....
all so far are lost.......but we will never stop trying.
all would give that which they are....to save one

How to get out?

By intention.
You created this you cannot complain, if you do not like it, CHANGE yourself, become more, stop being of FEAR.

So I will not speak for the whole, only my being.
I will wait for this form to naturally expire. I have no doctor, no dentist, I do not become unwell, never have. Bruce Lipton is correct and it made me smile to view his perception.
Upon this forms death, I will remove the creation I am forced to perceive.
Any form that tells me that I need to return, in the image of a loved one or not, will be removed from my perception along with the light or look of a structure.
In essence I intend to de-create this place once this form dies.

You cannot FIX something which is NOT broken. This place is not broken, it is as it was created but it has gone too far and many are now lost here.
This is why many, maybe including you, have come here.

To stop that which WE created and free ourselves!

So in order to be enabling, I have offered our creation/child called 'fear' the chance to change.
To be able to still be but via a different form of energy.
One of empathy.
In which case we will continue to create this landscape.

Aragorn
3rd July 2017, 18:45
I am unsure if I wish to post....I am 'new' in this forum but that which I feel is 'old'!

Glad to have you with us, lake. ;) :h5:



http://users.telenet.be/stryder/The_One_Truth/Miscellaneous/welcome.jpeg

Dreamtimer
3rd July 2017, 22:09
Transforming fear into empathy. Are you saying that you would then continue in this creation if fear became empathy?

Exit 0
4th July 2017, 13:35
To see the content of lake's comment #152, click-on the forwarding icon.

Thank you lake,

With your metaphor, you expressed exactly the point of this Thread. So many have jumped-in to save one drowning soul, now we are all trapped here for an eternity of lifetimes....

In the OP of this Thread, I expressed precisely the same summation in the second, third, and fourth bullet points listed within that comment #1 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973338&viewfull=1#post841973338).

• This reality is not broken, it is working exactly how it was designed to operate.
• Minority groups of individuals cannot change the system using the Law of Intention. Intention only affects one's personal reality. Changing the Common Reality of Humanity requires a majority consensus.
• We find ourselves dwelling among The Fallen.

Dreamtimer (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841974270&viewfull=1#post841974270),

I can't answer for lake, but from my understanding of this place.... this most vile three dimensional reality....
It's here for a purpose.

Exit 0
4th July 2017, 14:51
[....snip]

This is the most controlling, dictatorial thread I've ever seen. There's no heart, no real topic being singled out for actual two-way discussion, just a dictator condescendingly patting people on the head when they agree with him but mostly orating, giving orders and pounding his fist at the annoying stupid minions who won't read mountains of material before speaking.

I'm jumping the wall. There was no honest intent to actually discuss soul harvesting or escaping the matrix here let alone any differing opinions than what the OP believes.

I’m sorry you feel that way TimeLab.

I created this Thread to offer the members my personal understanding, based on over 50 years of study. In an effort to keep the focus of this complex, enigmatic subject, centered on the knowledge I’ve accumulated, it’s my intention (here in this Thread) to moderate any distracting comments.

It’s my Thread, and I have the right to control it in any manor I wish. (As long as I don’t break the rules of the Forum)

Carlos Casteneda’s work, although compelling, is fictional. My intention is to keep this thread focused on research material specific to the theme.

If any member feels uncomfortable reading within this Thread, I invite that member to find another.

This subject is only for a few readers.

Exit 0
4th July 2017, 16:12
On this very special day, and speaking freely as a Double Moonchild, deeply steeped in the sign of water, perhaps I should take an intermission.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bKwRW0l-Qk

heyokah
4th July 2017, 16:33
****

Dubble Cancer and Moon in Capricorn..... can it be worse? LOL

Have an inspiring Cool Change today.

lake
4th July 2017, 17:07
Transforming fear into empathy. Are you saying that you would then continue in this creation if fear became empathy?

Hi Dreamtimer, just watched the TOT Cast which you participated in and would like to thank you....very interesting and provoked thoughts within me....so all good :)

Would I stay?

It was not necessary for me to be here before....and it would not be required that I stay here....after.

Many would avail their nature to interact with a 'life' where empathy was the driving force....to feel the need to limit the separation, to delve into external considerations. The joy of having a singular 'life' suddenly defined by another's needs....which then allow growth of each participant....I see no lack of creation for such a realm.

But this current involvement cannot be allowed to continue.

It sounds harsh but it is not.

Empathy to you as love is a selfish action.... Look at the underlining Nature of this world? Look at 'Mother Natures' creation'....the totality of her harm....the day to day fight to just 'exist' for all plant, animal, fish etc.......even the way that the elements need to force their nature upon each other?
Anyway I am babbling lol :)

DNA
4th July 2017, 17:25
There is no place like Exit0's Gold Portal :lol:

There is no place like Exit0's Gold Portal :hilarious:

https://lovelace-media.imgix.net/uploads/466/6261bc80-3dea-0132-0a63-0eae5eefacd9.gif?w=740&h=429&fit=max&auto=format
:love:

lake
4th July 2017, 17:35
This is the point, there is no 'exit' as far as I know....ruby slippers or not!

You cannot come into this arena and then decide to leave....freedom of choice has been removed.
Each has been deceived and the deception will nolonger be entertained....it will cease even if that means the complete removal of this interaction.


Nice shoes by the way :) Are they yours?

lake
4th July 2017, 18:09
If I can I would like to attempt to put my point of view via a different approach?


You are no thing, darkness, abyss, depth without breadth, a wave form of ALL possibilities, the all and the nothing.
You are no thing because you ARE ALL things, that which is you cannot be a single idea. In each there is a universe of possible creation infinity greater than this single verse being perceived currently! Just close your eyes and see / be anything!
I cant stress this concept enough but it is very difficult to place into the limitation of words and worlds! There can be nothing here or anywhere for here to even be within, without YOU ….... but YOU can still BE within nothing!
It is your home, that no thing. Within that no place, you exist as an awareness of ALL potentiality which may become. It becomes because of you.
We are a lake of potential creation, each droplet both individual whilst still being part of the ALL.

We are the playful intention that wishes to expand itself by creating new concepts of interaction in the foam of our potential waves.

You cannot ascend to a more enlightened being, YOU ARE IT already, you just do not remember!
There is no other (god) except YOU.

The above is that which you are....or were :)

So....this has been in my 'mind' for the last few years

WEhS9Y9HYjU

And this is my brothers words....I believe that we are not light....we are sound....that we come from silence within which ALL possible sound inherently exists.

u9Dg-g7t2l4

My brother....the first to 'swim' within this limitation...the first to become lost here :(

I do blame my brother for the current harm within this realm but not the actions taken....but I will not leave without him.

:shocked:

heyokah
4th July 2017, 18:21
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I do not think that I have ever existed here before....I see that this is my first physical 'life' within this drama and it will be the last.

Dear Lake, can you tell me what your "entrance/exit vortex/whirlpool" is. You seem very sure that this will be your first and last physical 'life' within this drama.
I don't think a pair of those ruby slippers is doing the trick here. :confused:

Or do you just 'tear yourself away'?

qxJqIW230lM

DNA
4th July 2017, 18:45
This is the point, there is no 'exit' as far as I know....ruby slippers or not!

You cannot come into this arena and then decide to leave....freedom of choice has been removed.
Each has been deceived and the deception will nolonger be entertained....it will cease even if that means the complete removal of this interaction.


Nice shoes by the way :) Are they yours?

I believe there is an exit, I believe we are here of our own choice, I believe incarnating as a human is an amazing opportunity to learn and grow.
We have had thousands of lives and each of those lives has had a string theory of millions of alternate versions and we have all of this at our disposal upon death.
There is no prison and entering into this line of thinking and remaining is indulging in victimization, it is disempowering and it is ultimately untrue.

lake
4th July 2017, 18:59
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Dear Lake, can you tell me what your "entrance/exit vortex/whirlpool" is. You seem very sure that this will be your first and last physical 'life' within this drama.
I don't think a pair of those ruby slippers is doing the trick here. :confused:

I have no defined nor pre-created exit. My entrance was, I assume, the same as yours....it was necessary as in order to quantify the current dramas being envisioned that we 'feel' the 'life' being predefined here.

When I state 'defined'....you do know that your life here is scripted? Yes? That you have no actual 'freewill' within this theater? That YOU are external of this 'stage'!

You act as a caricature....of your predefined limitations.

This is my 'first' life....as part of mankind (where did that word go? When did you become only human? What is a 'human'? Why is it wanted that you are not 'mankind'?)

You are correct....nothing 'material' will assist you or anyone....BUT all that you consider as 'truth' will become (when I say consider I mean that it must be a part of you, not just a thought, an actual part of your being which is not physical)

Problem is that for me to tell you....removes YOUR responsibility from your actions....therefore rendering your perception of self awareness inert! You become nothing....surplus to being.

Gee I can prattle on.... :)

:lol:

lake
4th July 2017, 19:22
I believe there is an exit, I believe we are here of our own choice, I believe incarnating as a human is an amazing opportunity to learn and grow.
We have had thousands of lives and each of those lives has had a string theory of millions of alternate versions and we have all of this at our disposal upon death.
There is no prison and entering into this line of thinking and remaining is indulging in victimization, it is disempowering and it is ultimately untrue.

I am very happy that you consider that forgetting life after life is a form of container which you can quench your thirst upon. For me is is naught but a limitation.

There is no reason for you to live thousands of 'lives' to comprehend fear.

Fear is quite simple, it is inherent within the form you have....within that forms 'mind'. The 'mind' you consider as yours when it is not YOU.

There is no victimization within my typed words nor within my spoken words....in fact it is to inform and embolden the actions of individuals within this perceptional drama.

luv ya :)

heyokah
5th July 2017, 13:11
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..........

You are correct....nothing 'material' will assist you or anyone....BUT all that you consider as 'truth' will become (when I say consider I mean that it must be a part of you, not just a thought, an actual part of your being which is not physical)

Problem is that for me to tell you....removes YOUR responsibility from your actions....therefore rendering your perception of self awareness inert! You become nothing....surplus to being.

Thank you lake.


I strongly believe that if there is ONE person, who can help me raising my vibration to become a self realized soul eventually, it will be ME and nobody else. If I will be successful, my vibration frequency will be that of the color Gold, the color of Love. So when I die, I will be drawn through the "Hole in the Garden Wall" by the Golden Light of the Divine Consciousness, to the place where I came from.

This quote is from an earlier comment of mine in this thread HERE (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973794&viewfull=1#post841973794) and shows that I take full responsibility for my own soul frequency and my thoughts about eventually being united with the "family I came from", my Higher Self, Great Consciousness, the Creator Goddess, or Source (whatever semantics there can be for the phenomenon).

I think this "escaping the trap after death" can be done after just one lifetime. One doesn't need the remembrance of other eventual lives as a sort of learning school. One can learn at every moment, from every incident in this life, good or bad. One has to accept responsibility for one's actions and be inclined and willing to learn from them by using self honesty and self forgiveness.
Love and empathy for all living beings will do the rest.

Whether this 'escape' will be through a hole in the grid/garden wall, a void, a stellar black hole, or just by simply being pulled out of the grid at the time of death, because of resonating on the same frequency level as "Source", I don't know.

****

DNA
5th July 2017, 13:29
I am very happy that you consider that forgetting life after life is a form of container which you can quench your thirst upon. For me is is naught but a limitation.
I don't think either one of us know what we really think when acting within the realm of our totality after we die, I say this because the decision to be here was made while we were in command of significantly more faculties than we have now. Considering that we are empowered souls who choose to be here I will again repeat that I trust in the process.


There is no reason for you to live thousands of 'lives' to comprehend fear.
That sounds like a quote from the Shirley Maclain movie "Defending your life".
It's a cute movie but the over riding concept that "fear" is the primary lesson to be learned from reincarnation is in my opinion not correct.
The earth is an anvil and incarnating thousands upon thousands of times would be the hammer that takes something raw and moldes it into something more.


Fear is quite simple, it is inherent within the form you have....within that forms 'mind'. The 'mind' you consider as yours when it is not YOU.
Now you have sparked my interest for I'm completely convinced when we incarnate we decide what ego we will wear in each life time.
The ego being a living entity not of our true self, this is why we have negative qualities that for all intents and purposes can never truly be eradicated.
This living etheric coat of arms is constantly siphoning off our spiritual energy and compelling us to act out in ways that are not genuine and or true to the Tao.
But it is an education, so we agree to such and grow from the experience. :)

There is no victimization within my typed words nor within my spoken words....in fact it is to inform and embolden the actions of individuals within this perceptional drama.
This perceptional drama, or control drama.



luv ya :)

Back at ya. :meditating:

Dreamtimer
5th July 2017, 14:19
Since coming into the alternative world, I've come across some strange ideas, such as:

Don't go into the light.

Fear or Love?

I'd never heard the first idea before and the second was weird to me because I'd always thought of love as being the opposite of hate. Fear is more of a natural response to things.

As a kid, I heard many people say that it's important to face fears in order to overcome them. I decided that's what I would do. It's been a lifetime's work. It can't be done at once, particularly when you're a girl-child. But I've reached the point where I've dealt with a lot of fears and faced up to a lot of things.

I live in a fearsome and fear-filled world. This is most certainly fueled by the media, and I don't just mean news. I understand now why religions want to shelter their 'people' from the outside world. It takes a great deal of strength and character to resist the massive fear and temptation that's all around. Ironic, eh?

Fear is not a paramount force, imo. It's a natural part of this physical life and what helps us learn not to do stupid things which will harm ourselves and/or others. Beyond that, once we get smart, we have much less to be afraid of.

Are we teaching each other to be smart? Are we leaving people behind because we think they're stupid or blind or 'asleep'?

Power systems seem to use the smart people and keep as many as possible stupid so they'll be more easily swayed by fear. I have a very smart friend who really should know better, and he's just filled with fear over ISIS and muslims. And we talk about it's origins and our role as a nation, and he doesn't deny it. Yet the next time I talk to him he'll still be saying things like, "They just hate us. They want to kill us." And it's really like he's trying to get me afraid and might even go so far as to say there's something wrong with me if I'm not.

So fear can turn you even against a friend. Why do people allow themselves to be so easily manipulated?

Maybe this is where love comes in. Love can certainly overcome the stupidity of turning against friends and family because of fear. If fear wins, imo, it's only because people are being dumb.

Can you stand up to God or the Demiurge and say, "I lived a good life and I'm happy with it. I'll just be going my own way now. Thanks for your offer of assistance."?

Dreamtimer
5th July 2017, 16:34
The Pursuit of Happiness has some ideas similar to those of Wayna Lobo Blanco,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_h_FBL91CI

This one's only six minutes. She's nice and concise. (Sorry, Modwiz. She hasn't gotten the Patrix memo yet.)

lcam88
5th July 2017, 17:38
Hello everyone again. Thanks for the thoughtful thread.

I've gleened over the materials and after some thought I have to ask the following question:

Has anyone considered that maybe going into the light is the right thing to do? That the system in place with the soul harvesting [moon] device is actually necessary?

heyokah
5th July 2017, 18:37
Hello everyone again. Thanks for the thoughtful thread.

I've gleened over the materials and after some thought I have to ask the following question:

Has anyone considered that maybe going into the light is the right thing to do? That the system in place with the soul harvesting [moon] device is actually necessary?


For what or who could this system be necessary? Is it there for our benefit? Or someone else's benefit? That's the question.
Is it we who are keeping the system in place, or is another outside power doing so.

Jengelen
5th July 2017, 19:31
For what or who could this system be necessary? Is it there for our benefit? Or someone else's benefit? That's the question.
Is it we who are keeping the system in place, or is another outside power doing so.

For the one being, the one organism that is all this mental construct. If I were one being, awake and just awakened realizing I exist for whatever reason, perhaps I heard a sound and suddenly realized I think so therefore I am or something like that. Whatever the case though, if this one being one day just awakened and realized the sound was himself, and then through whatever means at some point in thought realized he was all there was, alone it stands to reason he'd become pretty bored, maybe even insane. But whatever the case it appears this particular being created a situation where he could divide him/herself out to many differing and various aspects of his grand one self and again through OJT (on the job training so to speak) this system we know as physical life was set into play.

Now all this life exists, seen and unseen and it's all the same one organism that lives forever as it's always been but now there is this physical existence and amnesia so this one being can forget. More and more life was made, for more and more experiences but it's no longer boring, God doesn't remember, and he never knew who he or she was anyway, he or she just woke up one fine day. All he knew was he was here, forever, and I figure like me he had to escape it so he created this forgetful life where many aspects of himself birth, grow, learn, talk, speak, teach, learn some more and die but not really because it's just to forget the reality of the facts he ultimately realized! So without this constant birth, death,but not before procreating to make more aspects so the one never dies, he'd have to remember how bored stiff existence was.

So this life, where we eat each other from the smallest amoeba to the largest carnivores on the planet, but not before the one eaten can first reproduce more of itself in most cases, where survival of the fittest is the rule of the garden you can see it all play out. God the one is each one of these things basically eating away at himself no different than a kid chewing his fingernails sitting idle on the couch. Each species continues on this way masterfully stretching itself out by adapting and reproducing while at the same time partaking of the new experience even if it's the same experience as before, again because we forget and then once more a baby awakens from your spark.

So in my limited perception the one being is the beneficiary for all that takes place here and anywhere that there is a life and death cycle involving amnesia and the one behind it all after eons of sheer boredom I suspect.

DNA
5th July 2017, 19:42
Hello everyone again. Thanks for the thoughtful thread.

I've gleened over the materials and after some thought I have to ask the following question:

Has anyone considered that maybe going into the light is the right thing to do? That the system in place with the soul harvesting [moon] device is actually necessary?

I've contemplated this.
In Carlos Castaneda's "The Eagle's Gift" it is stated that all awareness on our planet is devoured by The Eagle upon death.
In Michael Newton's "Journey of the Soul" books there are times when souls wish to review their past lives and in order to do so they go to a library of sorts and must access the information, as if it is not available to them via memory.
Edgar Cayce has mentioned in some of his readings that soul memories are often ingrained in our bones, and when an essence wishes to access those memories they sometimes do so through a visit to the grave site of their past life.

I'll sum all of this up for you.
It may very well be that our soul when it passes to the other side does not retain it's memories.
It's my belief that our memories aren't stored in our brain as much as they are stored in our luminous field of energy, this luminous field acts in the same manner as a ligament does for muscle and bone. This luminous field holds our soul to our body.
This luminous field serves as a conduit between body and soul and it is my postulation that it also stores memories.
This luminous field does not stay attached to the soul upon death, it stays attached to the body and it dies and fades just as the flesh on our bones.
It may very well be that a force, and one could call it an Eagle or one could call it Yaldoboath and one could call it a tunnel of light but it is this force which devours the luminous field as food upon death, and our souls go on to the other side.

And if this is the case, just as you state Icam88, I'm okay with this. :)

heyokah
5th July 2017, 20:11
****


.......Fear or Love?

............ I'd always thought of love as being the opposite of hate. Fear is more of a natural response to things.

Hate comes from Fear.

I think that Fear is the opposite of Love.

Fear leads to jealousy and anger. Anger leads to Hate and Aggression, which leads to endless suffering.

As all fear (fear of poverty, cold, hunger, or any sort of lack) can be traced back to fear of death, (fear of emptiness, of no Self), it is actually ignorance of our true nature, not knowing that we are consciousness, having a spiritual experience in a temporary physical vessel.
This is often called the veil of ignorance.

****

DNA
5th July 2017, 20:59
Hate comes from Fear.I think that Fear is the opposite of Love.
Fear leads to jealousy and anger. Anger leads to Hate and Aggression, which leads to endless suffering.
As all fear (fear of poverty, cold, hunger, or any sort of lack) can be traced back to fear of death, (fear of emptiness, of no Self), it is actually ignorance of our true nature, not knowing that we are consciousness, having a spiritual experience in a temporary physical vessel.
This is often called the veil of ignorance.


No offense bro but didn't Yoda say that?
You better watch out or George Lucas is going to come looking for some royalty money. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnFr-DOPf8

Again no offense but you are missing the mark here in my opinion, just as Yoda has.
What you say may be true but it is actually masking the real symptom.
Love for instance is just as guilty as the other emotions in so far as bringing suffering.

“When love first happens, the individuals are giving each other energy unconsciously and both people feel buoyant and elated. That's the incredible high we call being ‘in love.’ Unfortunately, once they expect this feeling to come from another person, they cut themselves off from the energy in the universe and begin to rely even more on the energy from each other--only now there doesn’t seem to be enough and so they stop giving each other energy and fall back into their dramas in an attempt to control each other and force the other’s energy their way.”
― James Redfield, The Celestine Prophecy

Most instances you talk of come from energy, either an abundance of it or a lack of it, this is what spawns the human situations you speak of.


“When we dislike someone, or feel threatened by someone, the natural tendency is to focus on something we dislike about the person, something that irritates us. Unfortunately, when we do this--instead of seeing the deeper beauty of the person and giving them energy--we take energy away and actually do them harm. All they know is that they suddenly feel less beautiful and less confident, and it is because we sapped their energy.”
― James Redfield, The Celestine Prophecy

The human energy field's strength comes from our connection to source, and when this isn't practiced we have a situation where people attempt to steal this energy from one another.
This is the source of most of the negative drama we see in my opinion.


“We humans have always sought to increase our personal energy in the only manner we have known, by seeking to psychologically steal it from the others--an unconscious competition that underlies all human conflict in the world.”
― James Redfield, The Celestine Prophecy

heyokah
5th July 2017, 21:34
^^^^

DNA, this guy with the funny ears must have been listening to a Tibetan Rimpoche, teaching "Buddhism for Dummies" ;)

Much love to you bro ,

Yoke (from Johanna)

****

lcam88
6th July 2017, 03:37
For what or who could this system be necessary? Is it there for our benefit? Or someone else's benefit? That's the question.
Is it we who are keeping the system in place, or is another outside power doing so.

According to Zacharia Sitchin (The 12th Planet) human evolution was accelerated by millions of years... It seems that such a "short cut" through the natural process comes at price; a break in our nominal evolutionary process... The book does touch on many of the points that Wes Penre touched on in his papers, albeit without the sinister or pessimistic tone.

Just as during the 9 month gestation period a zygote, embryo and fetus undergoes an accelerated visit to all biological evolutionary steps, it seems fitting that our consciousness and mind must also touch some number of key evolutionary "epiphanies" that occur at a collective level of humankind where from we fulfill the aptitude of our developments.

There are a couple of indications that we find in our day to day that suggests mind/conscious growth is necessary; that we are not as consciously evolved as our current technological knowledge might indicate. The state of politics and economics, the fact that we have grown like a cancer on the face of the earth to populate every corner of it, to consume every resource in nature...

The alternative to this "farm" we find ourselves a part of, where we submit to the specific function and design of a system at the heart of this discussion, is that we need to evolve for 2 or 3 million years in a "wilderness".

Perhaps Soul Harvesting "farm" is about a melting pot of humanly experiences that is designed to accelerate the natural evolution of the mind/conscious. Else we return to "source" and our unnatural and unsustainable "state" arising from the momentary "disorder" of "artificial evolution" results in all of our experiences therefrom and hereto to be lost much like a cup of tea might be lost in a lake of water.

A benefit? Only insofar as we may find the helping hand that enabled our accelerated evolution to also be a benefit.

Is this view flawed in some way?

Did and is someone else benefiting: yes of course! ...even though there is mutual benefit, it was done without "permission"...


...

It may very well be that a force, and one could call it an Eagle or one could call it Yaldoboath and one could call it a tunnel of light but it is this force which devours the luminous field as food upon death, and our souls go on to the other side.

And if this is the case, just as you state Icam88, I'm okay with this.

I'm not sure about the mechanics behind all of this. There are two possibilities as far as the luminous field, it is destroyed or it is assimilated. I'm inclined to think the latter since some of us do have remarkable memories of the past. Furthermore, I can find no evidence to suggest our current life is not an echo of a past timeline even though, clearly, passed timelines are hardly noticeable to most. All this to say that we "relive" the past in a new "frame" of environmental circumstance...

If you imagine a spiral where a certain amount of "angular momentum" is a life. This exact moment in our lives is being "imprinted" by the previous "corresponding/similar moment" even if we are unaware of it. I don't believe in reincarnation but that doesn't mean my current state is pure and unaffected by reflections from the past.

While I think of it as a reflection rather than karma, all of that are semantics at this stage. This persistent "state" is what I contend would be lost absent the moon device reference frame being created. There is probably more to it than simply that... the permission aspect and our origins... ...being made in the image of our creator... I guess we need to be kept in a "sandbox" until this "permission" issue (a mistake) can be put in proper order.

Dreamtimer
6th July 2017, 14:46
I came across a reference to a book called War in Heaven by Kyle Griffith (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/warinheaven/warheaven-III.htm). The equivalent of the parasites are called Theocrats. To escape:


In any case, Griffith and his invisible mentors have some advice for keeping out of Theocratic control. In the first place, make a conscious effort to develop your own psychic powers during this life. In the second place, “read accounts of point-of-death experiences and learn to recognise the common tricks that the Theocrats use to enslave the unwary after death.” In other words, those accounts of near-death experiences are true – but they’re not to be taken at face value. That’s probably a sound rule of thumb for all spiritual experiences – no matter how good or bad they seem.

This is from an article in New Dawn (http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/is-your-god-a-devil).

Exit 0
6th July 2017, 17:24
To see the content of lake's Comment #162, click-on the forwarding icon.

Thank you, lake, for participating in this thread.

To all those trolling this Thread: it's inevitable the White Light Nazis (those possessed with the demon Archons) will show-up any time the subject of escaping the Matrix is discussed in public. I've attempted to discuss this subject in other forums, and the same ol'friends keep reappearing. Somewhere on this Forum, there must be a Thread designed for those who wish to remain trapped on the Wheel of Reincarnation....

With that said, lake, this discussion is, in no way about fear. The Fear Card has been played several times. This Thread was begun as a discussion among those who seriously wish to escape the Matrix. Shining light on a taboo topic should never be interpreted as fear.

If one were to spend some time studying the links found on Comment #3 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973340&viewfull=1#post841973340) of this Thread, it would become apparent that escaping The Wheel isn't all that simple. There are traps everywhere, both in 3-D, and beyond. This is never more apparent by observing those trolling this Thread, with naysaying remarks.

I seriously don't believe one can escape, simply by, "just wishing" one's exit.


It's imperative one know where to find the Exit Door.
It's imperative one learns how to recognize the Traps.
It's imperative one has a desire to Get Out.

All of my comments within this Thread are directed at these solutions.

Exit 0
6th July 2017, 17:31
To see the content of Dreamtimer's Comment #170, click-on the forwarding icon.


I came across a reference to a book called War in Heaven by Kyle Griffith (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/warinheaven/warheaven-III.htm). The equivalent of the parasites are called Theocrats. To escape:



This is from an article in New Dawn (http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/is-your-god-a-devil).

Thank you Dreamtimer, for your continued interest in this topic.

If the members look on Comment #3 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973340&viewfull=1#post841973340), at the beginning of this Thread, they will find a link to Kyle Griffith's book. See Reference Item: III.1 The link has been there since the beginning of the Thread.

Exit 0
6th July 2017, 17:39
Hello everyone again. Thanks for the thoughtful thread.

I've gleened over the materials and after some thought I have to ask the following question:

Has anyone considered that maybe going into the light is the right thing to do? That the system in place with the soul harvesting [moon] device is actually necessary?

I've considered this most of my adult life, Icam88.

The conclusion has been expressed repeatedly throughout the Thread:

Go into the light, and re-enter the endless wheel of reincarnation.

If one enjoys such a thing, than I implore them: please, go into the light....

DNA
7th July 2017, 05:18
Thank you, lake, for participating in this thread.

To all those trolling this Thread: it's inevitable the White Light Nazis (those possessed with the demon Archons)
Classic case of projecting on to others a situation that is obviously related to yourself.
Those who have not gone within and confronted their shadow side through deep introspection are doomed to be controlled by that said shadow.
Carl Jung said this and Carl Jung was very much an appreciator of Gnosticism.
I've often been of the opinion that the shadow self Jung was referring to was in fact an archon type hand hold for the Demiurge.

Everyone has this shadow aspect but unless you have gone within and acknowledged this part of yourself though meditation and paradigm reduction techniques you are doomed to constantly see this aspect in others because of the blindness you have when looking within.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tja6_h4lT6A

I will tell you what the red light should be in regards to folks listening to you Exit.
If you had truth on your side then you would welcome my argument or the argument of anyone else against your premise for it would give you the chance to flesh out your perceived truth, but you do not. You lash out in anger (an archonic trait) you boil over with impatience (an archonic trait) and you wish to simply silence the opposition (an archonic trait) because you can't debate the topic simply on it's merits, either because you lack the debating skill or because truth simply isn't on your side.
Silencing the opposition is a favored tactic for folks who lack the truth in their argument and I believe that to be the case with you and your thread.

Exit 0
7th July 2017, 11:31
^^^^

Who is projecting, what, onto whom, DNA?

Point-out one of my comments, within this Thread, where I attacked anyone with more hostility than you used in the words to your most recent comment.

Allow the members who wish to continue, make the determination, without certain individuals defaming the messenger.

In the OP of this thread, I specifically stated:

”These conclusions are my own personal observations. I'm seeking no reward for suggesting them, nor am I imposing them on anyone. Every individual is free to accept or reject these analyses as they see fit. Anyone is free to move-on to other threads of interest.

As a general statement, I simply ask not to be personally attacked for offering my opinion.

I made that statement in the OP, DNA, because I knew you and others like you were coming.

Have an enjoyable ride, for another eternity, on the Wheel, DNA….

I only ask those wishing to debate: read/listen to some of the source material found in Comment #3 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973340&viewfull=1#post841973340) – especially some of the work of Wes Penre.

lcam88
7th July 2017, 17:55
DNA,

The fact is we are all here... ...and we feel. We can feel bad about being weak; the idea of having a part of ourselves being "devoured" is disempowering. It is a well known fact that parasites (Theocratic entities) feed off negativity. I think of it in terms of law of attraction (things vibrating at the same frequency will attract).

I don't care at all if Exit 0 happens to think I am trolling. I don't care if Exit 0 takes it back or offers an apology. But, I do care about development of ideas, of mind and consciousness.

I must agree with you on the most important point made in post #183 here:


Those who have not gone within and confronted their shadow side through deep introspection are doomed to be controlled by that said shadow.

Carl Jung said this and Carl Jung was very much an appreciator of Gnosticism.

I've often been of the opinion that the shadow self Jung was referring to was in fact an archon type hand hold for the Demiurge.

Everyone has this shadow aspect but unless you have gone within and acknowledged this part of yourself though meditation and paradigm reduction techniques you are doomed to constantly see this aspect in others because of the blindness you have when looking within.

So true!

If you do want to escape the light, it IS essential to examine and know yourself, including the shadow side. You can never be whole and complete without knowing yourself; from being incomplete we often look to everything around us to find a way to "fix" it. That is partially why the light we see post mortem is attractive.

If you are truly ready, you will be like a noble gas. Indifferent to everything else, whole and complete as you are. Uncompelled to engage. Perfection (being whole and complete) does not require finding a crutch to "lean upon", "to assimilate" or "use".

Energy is plentiful, why then should anyone crave more? When we are ready we simply won't care about the light or even about escaping it. kkkkkk! Stars are pretty too; I happen to look upon the night sky and find the moon to be an aberration in the perfection that I see. But, I know why it is necessary.

Exit 0
7th July 2017, 18:49
^^^^

Icam88, where on earth did you ever get the idea that, "I thought you were a troll"?

I've thanked your comments, and I've given a positive answer to most of what you have said????

I do believe you have some facts wrong, but nowhere did I ever point the Troll-Finger at you.

Here, for instance:


"It is a well known fact that parasites (Theocratic entities) feed off negativity. I think of it in terms of law of attraction (things vibrating at the same frequency will attract).

From the years of research, I've discovered the feeding operation, consumes all sorts of energies, when memories are fed upon in the Reincarnation Machine. I would even speculate, the good vibrations are desired over those with bad vibrations - kinda like seasoning on the meat....

There's no other rational explanation for why most who go through the White Light Tunnel, come-back into a new body with no memory of what occurred before.

lake
7th July 2017, 18:55
Well in that case I would wish to ask if you consider me a 'troll' upon this thread....as that is the way I read it!

I am happy to not contribute to your thread if you consider that my views are not that which you want to read?

Exit 0
7th July 2017, 19:18
lake,

I believe you are referring to comment #184. Did you notice the "^^^^" at the beginning of the comment?

That comment was not directed at you.

Add Text:

Earlier in the Thread, I entertained DNA's comments up until comment #52 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973596&viewfull=1#post841973596), where my character was attacked, and false statements were suggested. Since that comment DNA has been continuously attempting to derail this Thread. Comment #184 was the object of that response.

lcam88
7th July 2017, 19:46
From the years of research, I've discovered the feeding operation, consumes all sorts of energies, when memories are fed upon in the Reincarnation Machine. I would even speculate, the good vibrations are desired over those with bad vibrations - kinda like seasoning on the meat....

Interesting. In nature there are many symbiotic relationships between organisms. For example, a human being and the bacterial flora in the gut, or on the surface of our skin... Without symbiosis' with bacteria we would be weaker... That is a good reason not to use anti-bacterial soap if one felt compelled to use soap at all FYI...

These bacteria feed on our dead skin, the oil being secreted, or live in an environment created by our digestive system.

To be troubled by this seems... ...like a similar mindset to theoretical physicists who think they are separate from their experiments and/or conclusions.


There's no other rational explanation for why most who go through the White Light Tunnel, come-back into a new body with no memory of what occurred before.

Please consider that rational and logic are dependent on noticing patterns and connecting dots; if these dots are not connected then a pattern is easily mistaken for chaos and an otherwise logical and rational idea would appear irrational. That said, we all (me especially) tend to overcomplicate things.

Please find such an explanation elaborated in post #178 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841974447&viewfull=1#post841974447).

Our life experience is full of "reflections" from previous lives, which was briefly mentioned in the latter half of the post I reference above. For example, when we get a headache for no reason, is that not a reflection (a memory) from a previous life?

Your contention seems to be that most of us pay so much attention in our lives and know ourselves so well that we would notice a memory from a previous life. I'm suggesting that most of us are happy to take an aspirin to suppress our discomforts rather than face them.

I only posted here so that someone can help me correct something I may have wrong. Critical comments welcome to any posting I make.

lake: I'm happy to read your contributions if you are willing to make them. :) I'm still on page 2 of this thread.

Exit 0
7th July 2017, 20:03
Icam88,

Wes Penre addresses what he believes the Luciferian Rebellion is all about. He postulates (throughout his work), that Enki (form the Sumerian Test) is building an army of biological robotic automatons - with souls - to use in his local (galactic) family feud, i.e., the 3-D regional version of The War In Heaven.

Applying this understanding to the Reincarnation Machine, plus all the evidence surrounding Saturn, the Moon, and an Earth Matrix, and including what is generally understood about loss of past-life-memories, one plausible conclusion is that those demonic entities, running the machinery are feeding on the lost memories - soul food.

DNA
7th July 2017, 20:47
Earlier in the Thread, I entertained DNA's comments up until comment #52 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973596&viewfull=1#post841973596), where my character was attacked, and false statements were suggested. Since that comment DNA has been continuously attempting to derail this Thread. Comment #184 was the object of that response.

So many Archon control mechanisms come out of your communications. I wonder if you are even aware of them.
So here we have Exit making a claim that he is a victim of big mean DNA. Archons love to play for sympathy, especially when their intimidation tactics don't work.
Exit claims his character was attacked and that I said mean things with no provocation on his part.
I really suggest folks go read post #52 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973596&viewfull=1#post841973596)before coming to any conclusions and giving Exit and his Archon controlled mind any sympathy or energy. When reading the post look at the text I have quoted from Exit and you tell me if he wasn't attacking me first?
Archons are always trying to bleed you for emotional energy, they will criticize you thus making you doubt yourself and lending them the ability to control you, they will try and intimidate you so as to make you feel you must depend on someone smarter and more knowledgeable they will attempt to play the victim thus bleeding you through your sympathy. It has been my experience through this thread that Exit has done all three, now he is trying to play the victim.

Exit you say you were willing to "entertain" my posts. This in itself is condescending for various reasons.
Entertaining someone's posts implies that they are obviously wrong but you will stoop to their inferior intelligence in an act of intellectual philanthropy. I disagree here.
You were not entering into any discussion with me what so ever, you were demonizing my message so that you would not have to respond to it.
You see your personal Archon whisperer was in your ear telling you that bullying didn't work (archon's love to try and intimidate) and this same voice told you to switch to a victim tactic (Archon's love to play for sympathy).
I'm amazed you have switched to a victim role so soon. I expected you to hold out on that one.
You see I understand the true hand hold Archons have on us, and it is in this actual life where they have their power and manifest in our communications.
You focus too much on your make believe BS fantasy of escape.
The only escape comes from the work you put in during your actual life.
There is no magic golden door that is going to open, you will receive the fruit of your labors.
If you have been an archon controlled doofus your whole life then guess what? You are going to be the same thing when you are dead.
Praying to Wes Penre and his gospel is externalizing the situation, Gnostics know the situation is within.
The Gnostics believed in going within and altering their being through reducing the Archon hand hold in this life, not the next, and they didn't really dwell on death, they dwelt on life.
When you die you will be able to access the next dimension that you are ready for, and this is purely dependent upon who you are, not what you have read or who you pray to.

lcam88
7th July 2017, 20:55
Exit 0:

Zacharia Sitchin (The 12th Planet) had a very different view of the role Enki played, he was responsible for solving a specific problem his people had, that he originally employed other lesser alien beings to solve the labor related problems associated. And that the creation of "modern" human beings was the result of accelerating the evolution of an Earthly primate by just over 2 million years, and that he took a part of himself (genetics) to do that. His creation came in time to stifle a "rebellion" of these lesser beings by being able to substitute their labor with human labor. Trouble came when these "mules" (pre-humans still unable to reproduce) somehow became able to. <= that was the single act, whether by nature, by accident or through temptation that was done without "permission".

There was much contemplation about how to fix the problem. Kill the humans, or help them into their place. The moon device is related to a specific approach agreed upon by the 12.

Does your evidence of saturn include the notion that its rings where constructed? About why they where constructed?

There is a Great War indeed, but the battle-scape is very different from what you describe. Absolutely horrid, the type of thing that causes me to come to tears if I think about it in any detail.

The demons feed on adrenaline and cortisone produced by a stressed human body. Their metabolic process requires it for energy.

DNA:

We are all mind controlled to some point. It is called destiny in some circles but it is all the same thing. Can we control our own minds? That is the true test, and incidentally that is about finding silence rather than truth. Then (and only then) truth reveals itself.

Amanda
7th July 2017, 23:29
Not trying to derail the thread but I read this the other day - and - it crossed my mind as I read through the latest page of this thread.

A well educated Empath is the worst nightmare of a Psychopath/Narcissist. Just sharing for those who are interested. I don't often see anger and aggression on this site - that is why I choose to spend time here.

Much Respect & Much Peace - Amanda

lcam88
8th July 2017, 00:55
Here is the rub...
Folks who do not walk into the portal that is offered upon death are devoid of the energetic bodies I have alluded to earlier.
When the physical body dies so too do all of the energetic cocoons associated with housing our soul.
The soul is a fraction of it's totality while in the material realm, but once united with it's greater self on the other side it is much more.

But if you avoid the portal offered upon death,,,
You are choosing to stay in the material world as a soul no longer housed in a body and it's associated energy bodies so there are no energetic transformers of material energy into palatable spiritual energy.
Consciousness requires energy, even as a disembodied soul.
Choosing to not enter the tunnel upon death will mean you will turn into a parasite, a spiritual parasite, a hungry ghost.
Our world is so full of hungry ghosts that they are virtually everywhere.
You ever wonder what the metaphor for the sand man is?
Or the old hag from the old hag syndrome?
Hungry ghosts take particular advantage of living humans at night while they sleep.
They take advantage of your astral body leaving and going into the astral realm while you sleep.
Sometimes they are content to pass through your energy field like a baleen whale collecting plankton from ocean water.
But some will show up in your dreams to coerse more energy out of you and some will even maneuver so as to keep your astral body from aligning correctly, as your astral body aligns returning from it's travels in the astral plane thus creating a sleep paralysis where you are half awake and half asleep and thus more capable of perceiving ghosts so they may terrify you more.

So in conclusion, walk into the light upon death, or become a hungry creepy soul sucking parasite. :)

Like this little guy running around behind this father and daughter, scary stuff. :nails: :p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy8pxq_Fl18

+1 DNA

You don't have to be an energy sucking parasite if you are complete. But you can certainly be "sacrificed" in a way, as a child, so that you become a super sucking parasite... That is how I would describe "weaponizing" a soul, a common practice in the 17 and 1800's I might add, especially in Europe and is still a practice adhered to by certain groups of people.

DNA
8th July 2017, 01:11
+1 DNA

You don't have to be an energy sucking parasite if you are complete.
In the context of where you have quoted me I was talking about a person who has chosen not to enter into the tunnel of light that is offered upon death.
I was talking about folks who do not cross over into the next world.
I was talking about souls who wonder the world without a body. I was talking about ghosts.
These souls no longer with a body and the corresponding energy bodies that accompany a physical body no longer have the means to aquire energetic sustenance, as such they are forced to feed on the energies that are associated with souls still in living bodies with the complementary energy bodies.
These souls feed on human beings because they have no other source of sustenance, these beings are parasites.
If you are a ghost then you are not complete, there is just no way around this.
There is no such thing as an enlightened complete ghost.
And for those beings who do enter the tunnel of light and cross over, these beings are not ghosts.
These beings are in command of faculties far greater than our human consciousness can even remotely understand, and as such these beings are far from the descriptions we would use for ghosts, we are much closer to being a ghost than the discarnate souls who travel to the other side.



But you can certainly be "sacrificed" in a way, as a child, so that you become a super sucking parasite... That is how I would describe "weaponizing" a soul, a common practice in the 17 and 1800's I might add, especially in Europe and is still a practice adhered to by certain groups of people.
I don't think the victims of human sacrifice have their souls enslaved.
I think it much more likely that the people performing the sacrifice would have their souls enslaved.

lcam88
8th July 2017, 03:23
In the context of where you have quoted me I was talking about a person who has chosen not to enter into the tunnel of light that is offered upon death.
I was talking about folks who do not cross over into the next world.
I was talking about souls who wonder the world without a body. I was talking about ghosts.
These souls no longer with a body and the corresponding energy bodies that accompany a physical body no longer have the means to aquire energetic sustenance, as such they are forced to feed on the energies that are associated with souls still in living bodies with the complementary energy bodies.
These souls feed on human beings because they have no other source of sustenance, these beings are parasites.
If you are a ghost then you are not complete, there is just no way around this.
There is no such thing as an enlightened complete ghost.
And for those beings who do enter the tunnel of light and cross over, these beings are not ghosts.
These beings are in command of faculties far greater than our human consciousness can even remotely understand, and as such these beings are far from the descriptions we would use for ghosts, we are much closer to being a ghost than the discarnate souls who travel to the other side.


Yes.



I don't think the victims of human sacrifice have their souls enslaved.
I think it much more likely that the people performing the sacrifice would have their souls enslaved.

The perceptions and state of the victim cause it to require a certain type of relief to move one. They are not enslaved so much as duped into persisting and responding to specific things they had been indoctrinated to be sensitive about. As you know with actual people in a real scenario, many people where duped into supporting the Iraq war.

The people who originally performed these types of sacrifice absolutely don't have a soul of human origin, the type of malevolence required to do these types of things... And if they are human, lets say they require specific knowledge about the ritualistic circumstances that they could only get from a long held tradition or directly from an alien source. I do not think in terms of good and evil anymore, but if some reader here still responds to labels, this type of practice is most certainly satanism. It serves a deliberate purpose.

This type of practice is only ok for a being that sees humans as some kind of inferior animal or the like whom are meant to be used or consumed [as cattle]... Humans show the same cruelty to rabbits in our animal tests we perform with consumer products like shampoo and conditioner, for example.

I too enjoy believing there is a type of poetic justice to complete the energetic equilibrium between victim and perpetrator. But the reality is such justice is almost always imposed; idealisms of this sort are mostly fantasy.

I went to a FreeMason Lodge nearby with a friend of mine who is gifted, 59 spirits, 20 children and 29 adolescent where lingering, waiting to be set free. All of them with a story they wanted to share about their specific death at the hands of some number of grand masters, most now deceased... Don't believe me, maybe I would doubt it too, except that I felt the nausea when we left, I kept burping up the coagulation of energies that my body was assimilating, for the whole afternoon and into the night! Even now from time to time as I remember the experience.

I take very little comfort to think that these memories and experiences "fit" somewhere in the collective human consciousness that someday may be evolved enough to no longer require curation by our creator(s).


If you have been an archon controlled doofus your whole life then guess what? You are going to be the same thing when you are dead.
Praying to Wes Penre and his gospel is externalizing the situation, Gnostics know the situation is within.
The Gnostics believed in going within and altering their being through reducing the Archon hand hold in this life, not the next, and they didn't really dwell on death, they dwelt on life.

I think is worth mentioning here, "Gnostic" is a traditionally derogatory term used to describe an individual whos lifetime focus/goal was divine knowledge. The term was invented by the pre-christian groups, if memory serves, meant to belittle an individual for being a "know it all". Christians love their labels...

I like to refer to people dedicated to this focus as "Telestai" – those who are aimed. Traditionally this was the term used to refer to the high priests and priestesses who dedicated their lives to knowledge, certainly anyone who would call themselves a gnostic and say the things you are saying would qualify...

DNA
8th July 2017, 04:33
The perceptions and state of the victim cause it to require a certain type of relief to move one. They are not enslaved so much as duped into persisting and responding to specific things they had been indoctrinated to be sensitive about. As you know with actual people in a real scenario, many people where duped into supporting the Iraq war.
Dying is much like waking up from a dream, as you were so absolutely sure of what reality was just a few moments ago this reality melts from your mind as a new reality takes it's place.
Being drawn in by the white light erases all fear and trauma in terms of a bad death.
What it does not seem to erase is fear of consequences in terms of what bad you have done in your life, this is because your life is replayed as you are about to enter the white light and your internal barometer for right and wrong can no longer be silenced with lies and half truths.
This is why the perpetuators of bad are much more likely to be ghosts than the innocent.


The people who originally performed these types of sacrifice absolutely don't have a soul of human origin,
These sacrifices are still going on now just as they always have.
And yes these souls are very much of human origin. Believe it or not over the course of 10,000 plus years of incarnating all of us have been the worst of the worst at one time or another. Call it what you will, a slave ship captain, a pirate creating cripples out of the passengers he has abducted from a boarded ship who will beg for money in a port city, A Viking who rapes, steals and plunders for a living, a present day board member for a major weapons manufacturer.
Being evil at one time or another is part of the reason we incarnate here.
I take no joy in saying this, and as old souls or older souls most of us have already been through this.


the type of malevolence required to do these types of things... And if they are human, lets say they require specific knowledge about the ritualistic circumstances that they could only get from a long held tradition or directly from an alien source. I do not think in terms of good and evil anymore, but if some reader here still responds to labels, this type of practice is most certainly satanism. It serves a deliberate purpose.
I think these rituals are far older than Satanism, but Satanism serves the purpose for a present day label.
I'm of the opinion that these rituals go all the way back to Atlantis, or further and I think the elite know this as well.



This type of practice is only ok for a being that sees humans as some kind of inferior animal or the like whom are meant to be used or consumed [as cattle]... Humans show the same cruelty to rabbits in our animal tests we perform with consumer products like shampoo and conditioner, for example.I too enjoy believing there is a type of poetic justice to complete the energetic equilibrium between victim and perpetrator. But the reality is such justice is almost always imposed; idealisms of this sort are mostly fantasy.
There are those born with extreme greed in their ego configuration.
One in seven are born with this, it is not that uncommon, and if you combine this extreme ego greed with a soul that is an extreme sociopath it is easier to understand how this can happen. These people are not just doing this for the pure sadism of it, (although I used to believe that) they believe they will gain beauty, youth, power, fame and money. I would tell you this is not the case but Hollywood and Washington DC are filled with these types.


I went to a FreeMason Lodge nearby with a friend of mine who is gifted, 59 spirits, 20 children and 29 adolescent where lingering, waiting to be set free. All of them with a story they wanted to share about their specific death at the hands of some number of grand masters, most now deceased... Don't believe me, maybe I would doubt it too, except that I felt nauseated when we left, I kept burping up the coagulation of energies that my body was assimilating, for the whole afternoon and into the night! Even now from time to time as I remember the experience.
I have no reason to doubt you or your friend.
I hope your friend was able to help these folks.
Many times those who have these perceptual abilities help in these situations without even trying, just their energy and it's proximity to the situation many times serves it's purpose.
I have a thread I wrote six years ago on another forum that explains how to help cross a ghost over you can find here. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21695-How-To-See-A-Ghost-For-Yourself)




I think is worth mentioning here, "Gnostic" is a traditionally derogatory term used to describe an individual whos lifetime focus/goal was divine knowledge. The term was invented by the pre-christian groups, if memory serves, meant to belittle an individual for being a "know it all". Christians love their labels...
The word Gnostic is greek in origin and it means "internal knowing or knowledge" this in contrast to the religions that externalize God or believe in dogma over personal experiences. The Gnostics believed in and valued personal experience over all else. That is why you can compare them to Shamans so easily, they are much more Shamanic than religious.


I like to refer to people dedicated to this focus as "Telestai" – those who are aimed. Traditionally this was the term used to refer to the high priests and priestesses who dedicated their lives to knowledge, certainly anyone who would call themselves a gnostic and say the things you are saying would qualify...
Thank you :)
That was very kind of you I really appreciate that

enjoy being
8th July 2017, 05:04
My old Gran never believed in anything outside of her small farming world.
She had a small stroke a week before she passed. The same day another person in the rest home had a stroke as well.
They both bounced back for a week and then both died within a few hours.
The day after we got a delivery of clothes from the laundry, in it were some pants that just happened to belong to the other lady.
In my Grans wardrobe we found a top, that also belonged to the other lady.
When I walked past the little table in the hallway that they put a photo and a candle of any recent departures, I noted that the other lady looked extremely similar to my Gran.

That was just a random tale, what I wanted to mention regards my Gran, was that I got there (from out of town) the night of the day she had the turn, and she must have sensed I was there and that may have helped in the rebound, though week long rebounds are common. She seemed to have been pacified by the stroke. She attached herself to me, and began almost exclusively talking to me, I spent a good part of the week there with her. She seemed to realise I have a foot in both worlds. I could read what she was trying to say, she didn't have a lot of energy. Over the time, she said to me "I have come back!" "I have seen a marvel!" "I am going again soon" "You can still visit, but K keep away". K was there the night she passed, but my Gran, who wasn't obviously conscious, waited until K left and passed away 15 minutes later. K was too fragile.
Other stuff too which just completely blew me away on how my no nonsense Gran who was independent for 93 years, minus the 3 months she was in a home, showed me how she had been to the other side and was so much at peace and smiling because of what she had seen.
She refused to tell tales about earth bound family drama, she just shrugged and smiled, she had become so serene.

lcam88
8th July 2017, 05:32
Neat link there on seeing ghosts, I'll have to try.


These sacrifices are still going on now just as they always have.

Yes, they do continue, they even have new forms...


There are those born with extreme greed in their ego configuration...

I bet!


I have no reason to doubt you or your friend.
I hope your friend was able to help these folks.
Many times those who have these perceptual abilities help in these situations without even trying, just their energy and it's proximity to the situation many times serves it's purpose.

:) Indeed

I agree with you about labels, the practices are much older, very old indeed.

She helps them by dispatching them onwards. She was unusually tired today... I'm very happy to have had the honor to get to know her. I suppose I have some small part to play.

Good news she shared: The Designer or Architect of all of this here in this reality is now gone. (It was hunting her down but she managed dispatched it on its way just like another alien ghost, there was some ancient conflict there and now it is resolved.) She says these sacrifice rituals are going to be much less powerful from here onwards. We are in for a new period here that will set in and require a lot of work for the next two generations. The children are the key, their minds have already advanced to the next level and as they grow into adults they will displace and change things into the new forms that will be.

That ghastly moon device, it needs to stay for now, and probably the next few thousand years... I'm disappointed with that but, baby steps.

Thanks DNA, feel free to PM me. I don't know what else I have to contribute to this thread.

DNA
8th July 2017, 15:55
I agree with you about labels, the practices are much older, very old indeed.
She helps them by dispatching them onwards. She was unusually tired today... I'm very happy to have had the honor to get to know her. I suppose I have some small part to play.
You should ask her to join the forum, I for one would love to talk with her and if nothing else hear her stories.
I'm not a psychic nor exceptionally gifted except for meager talents I have developed along the way, and what few talents I possess I have found folks completely unable to believe, so I can understand her probable reluctance to open up and share about these things, I've got it myself, but you should let her know that there are a few folks who would like to hear her story and or stories. :)

Good news she shared: The Designer or Architect of all of this here in this reality is now gone. (It was hunting her down but she managed dispatched it on its way just like another alien ghost, there was some ancient conflict there and now it is resolved.) She says these sacrifice rituals are going to be much less powerful from here onwards.
That sounds like quite the story and it should be told in it's full glory.
I would love to think something like this could be true.
It does seem that with Hollywood and Washington DC performing these rituals that there might indeed be something to them. Know of course that the karmic implications would be vast, and the danger of cording yourself to the demiurge and becoming a shadow being parasite upon death are very real in my opinion.
I would be curious as to what your friend calls this being and her mythology behind it's time here on our planet.

lcam88
8th July 2017, 16:35
You should ask her to join the forum, I for one would love to talk with her and if nothing else hear her stories.
I'm not a psychic nor exceptionally gifted except for meager talents I have developed along the way, and what few talents I possess I have found folks completely unable to believe, so I can understand her probable reluctance to open up and share about these things, I've got it myself, but you should let her know that there are a few folks who would like to hear her story and or stories. :)


I'll extend your invite.

I mentioned the forum the other day, sent out a feeler of sorts. She has tried forums before. She said it ends up with all the pro-ideology people who are following specific ideologies religiously up in arms against her, she doesn't "honey-coat" words and will call out idiots as she finds them. They always end with the personal attacks calling her a troll or something.

Perhaps we can start with a Q&A thread where the forum can ask specific questions and she can then answer.



That sounds like quite the story and it should be told in it's full glory.
I would love to think something like this could be true.
It does seem that with Hollywood and Washington DC performing these rituals that there might indeed be something to them. Know of course that the karmic implications would be vast, and the danger of cording yourself to the demiurge and becoming a shadow being parasite upon death are very real in my opinion.
I would be curious as to what your friend calls this being and her mythology behind it's time here on our planet.

Karmic implications: You are right. But in this case it's different... ... it is part of the design, let's say.

Exit 0
8th July 2017, 17:35
I would like to open-up a dialogue into a taboo subject: Soul Harvesting.

Among the bullet points under consideration, are:

• Most channeled messages are the result of Artificially Implanted Telepathy. To agree with this premise, one must first realize that Everything Humanity Has Ever Been Told, Is A Lie.
• This reality is not broken, it is working exactly how it was designed to operate.
• Minority groups of individuals cannot change the system using the Law of Intention. Intention only affects one's personal reality. Changing the Common Reality of Humanity requires a majority consensus.
• We find ourselves dwelling among The Fallen.
• This Reality is a Farming Operation.
• We exist here in a Prison Patrix.
• This Prison Matrix has been operating with designed efficiency since the Dawn of Humanity.
• At certain points, and in great antiquity, a total restart of the system has been triggered.
• This triggering mechanism has always occurred when enough elements of the population have begun to figure-out the system.
• The only way to change the system is to develop an Exit Strategy.

This is just a short list of the points I'm suggesting the readers of this thread consider (and other’s yet to be listed) as foundational to this discussion.

Throughout my tenure, dedicated to researching this subject, I have encountered a wall of human opposition to the points listed above - in addition to many other points which I didn't list. Allow me to suggest, this reaction is an example of self-imposed-compliance to the system.

I didn't come to these conclusions through any conditioning filters. Rather, these conclusions are the result of years of investigation through the study of countless subjects. I'm now within my seventh decade on this planet, and there is much to be said regarding the experience-factor.

Additionally allow me to suggest, hardly anyone in our Common Reality are discussing these points, making the very mention of them a taboo subject.

Finely, I would suggest a caveat:

These conclusions are my own personal observations. I'm seeking no reward for suggesting them, nor am I imposing them on anyone. Every individual is free to accept or reject these analyses as they see fit. Anyone is free to move-on to other threads of interest.

As a general statement, I simply ask not to be personally attacked for offering my opinion.

An Addendum:
Please refer to Comment #111 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Matrix?p=841973827&viewfull=1#post841973827), for an addendum to the terms being used in this Thread.

I began this thread specifically to show-case the work of Wes Penre, as underwritten by Robert Stanley.

I created Comment #3 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973340&viewfull=1#post841973340), as an index of both their work. It was also my intention that any interested member should further search for more of Wes Penre’s, and Robert Stanley’s work.

So far, (now on the 14th page) very few members who are commenting, are referencing either Stanley’s, or Penre’s work.

It was never my intention to legitimize any of the regurgitated ideologies from great antiquity, regarding the journey of the Soul, after death. Those ideologies are old, worn-out mantras.

It’s time to explore new horizons, and Penre’s work is just that!

I’ve left enough research material within this Thread, in my comments and on the First Page for anyone with serious intentions to further explore, on their own.

I thank the Site Administration for putting-up with my insistences, I’m certain I impressed many as being hard-headed.

I’ll leave this Thread, now. The MODs can do with it whatever they choose….

Synagex
8th July 2017, 20:06
There are several ways to view negative astral entities. One popular way is to set them up as combatants or predatory entities that exist outside of ones own self and which seek to parasitize you and draw you down. The great problem with this way of looking at this dynamic is that it places you as the victim and gives your attacker the advantage. With this dynamic in place it is impossible to permanently rid oneself of these pests and one ends up expending all their energy in battle instead of in forwarding their own personal evolution. In other words, to combat them you expend your energy defensively, if not offensively as some have suggested, and you never seem to have quite enough energy since there is always a bigger more powerful predator around the next corner.

There is however another way of looking at this dynamic that will rid you of these pests and which will forward your own personal evolution instead of diverting it.

lake
8th July 2017, 20:24
There are several ways to view negative astral entities. One popular way is to set them up as combatants or predatory entities that exist outside of ones own self and which seek to parasitize you and draw you down. The great problem with this way of looking at this dynamic is that it places you as the victim and gives your attacker the advantage. With this dynamic in place it is impossible to permanently rid oneself of these pests and one ends up expending all their energy in battle instead of in forwarding their own personal evolution. In other words, to combat them you expend your energy defensively, if not offensively as some have suggested, and you never seem to have quite enough energy since there is always a bigger more powerful predator around the next corner.

There is however another way of looking at this dynamic that will rid you of these pests and which will forward your own personal evolution instead of diverting it.

Yes....if one considers that they are more than just a physical form, that you 'leave a body at death' ....then you must also realize that you are a parasite,

That you have just (over the life experienced) used another for you personal satisfaction.

Which are you....the physical form or the 'soul'?

The physical form dies and becomes the 'earth' again....the 'souls' moves on and continues. Which are you?

Form or parasite?

What is an Archon?

Synagex
8th July 2017, 20:48
Always look within to the place of your own psyche that these entities attack. In poi t of fact an entity can have no influence over you unless you give permission in one form or another. Most often this permission is given at a subconscious level that we are not normally aware of, hence the need to look within.

It is apparent that vast majority if not all of these entities are generated by ones own pysche. Thus it is doubley important to look within.

It is impossible to permanently rid ones self of a part of ones psyche through the use of defensive techniques that many have prescribed. Even if you magically sever the link between you and it, and dissolve the image of it that your psyche has created, it will spring anew since the basic environment which created it has not been changed, is your own psyche.

One of a few methods and almost the only method that works for this kind of self created pest is self transformation of the personality. This work directly addresses the unexplored psyche and transforms it into a known thing. It places you in relation ship of true powerfulness in regard to your own psyche and it's automatic subconscious reactions.

DNA
8th July 2017, 22:27
Always look within to the place of your own psyche that these entities attack. In poi t of fact an entity can have no influence over you unless you give permission in one form or another. Most often this permission is given at a subconscious level that we are not normally aware of, hence the need to look within.

It is apparent that vast majority if not all of these entities are generated by ones own pysche. Thus it is doubley important to look within.

It is impossible to permanently rid ones self of a part of ones psyche through the use of defensive techniques that many have prescribed. Even if you magically sever the link between you and it, and dissolve the image of it that your psyche has created, it will spring anew since the basic environment which created it has not been changed, is your own psyche.

One of a few methods and almost the only method that works for this kind of self created pest is self transformation of the personality. This work directly addresses the unexplored psyche and transforms it into a known thing. It places you in relation ship of true powerfulness in regard to your own psyche and it's automatic subconscious reactions.
I think different folks have a differing idea of the level we are connected to these things.
All I can do is share my personal truth in so far as this topic is concerned.
The connection is so inclusive no one on the planet gets a free ride from these things.
I've looked within and found this connection, and I will tell you something, this connection is so pervasive, strong and unbelievably a part of us.
Many folks feel proudly it is their defining feature because they have confused this creature for themselves.
I will share something else, there is no disconnecting from this thing from what I've seen.
At best you can hold it at bay with constant attention and meditation, and I'm talking Taoist monk living a solitary life in a cave and devoting his life to this sh!t.
And guess what? When the monk leaves the cave and solitude and loses his will to continue with that fight, the effing thing comes back just like before.
I've been that monk in the cave and I feel I know what I'm talking about.
It has seven different flavors and this is why we have a hard time understanding it's actions in others and many times we have a hard time seeing it in our selves.

1. Impatience, which is pretty self explanatory
2. Martydome, the perpetuation of victimhood
3. Self Depreciation, Constantly calling oneself names and never believing anyone can truly love you.
4. Arrogance, self explanatory
5. Stubborness, the absolute refusal to change
6. Self Destruction, addiction to drugs, alcohol and the inability to function and work in society.
7. Greed, this flavor of archonic control is the most dangerous to people outside the person who has it, these people have a never ending desire to possess that which is their precious.

For more on these flavors of Archonic Control check out this link (http://personalityspirituality.net/articles/the-michael-teachings/chief-features/).

I will admit right here and now that I am not free of this Archon control, and that it indeed steals energy from me on a daily basis, but I do my absolute best not to let it steal the energy of others in my life. I draw the line at my Archon to steal energy from those around me, and I have a pretty low tolerance for those I see doing this around me or in my presence.

https://i1.wp.com/personalityspirituality.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/7cfs2-400.png?resize=400%2C408

Synagex
9th July 2017, 05:37
The work of self transformation ^^^^^^^^ like you have said DNA and like your diagram which is brilliant thankyou.

The work of self transformation is not a war in heaven sort of thing. It's not a battle. Instead, it's transformation. Transformation requires first finding a common ground with the thing to be transformed. It means accepting a thing for what it is, not what we'd like it to be or what it appears to be, etc.

These entities are not foes and they are not a threat ( remember I said do not set them up as combatants, offensively or defensively, you then keep a lot of your power for swift evolvement beyong there effect of you.)

They are often manifestations of your own psyche generated by your psyche as a natural response to the work of self transformation. Its as if your own psyche is saying to your concious mind " Hey, look here, this needs work."

In truth this is a manifestation of your inner or higher guidance which is meant to help you in the work of self transformation. If accepted on this basis, then the experience presents an invaluable opportunity to work directly with the wisdom of your own guide and focus your attention on the parts of yourself that need the most attention.

Synagex
9th July 2017, 05:50
I will admit right here and now that I am not free of this Archon control, and that it indeed steals energy from me on a daily basis, but I do my absolute best not to let it steal the energy of others in my life. I draw the line at my Archon to steal energy from those around me, and I have a pretty low tolerance for those I see doing this around me or in my presence.

I totaly understand your experience, just need to be carefully how you react as this could be what I call a fracture attack on yourself.

They find it hard to influence you into a negative response directly, so will try and influence those not as strong around you to subconsciously attack you to get you to react. Your negative reaction if it happens will not be consumed by them but attempts will be made to harvest and reinvest your negative power back against you.

Sneaky little entities sometimes it is not another person they use against you, it could just be a situation that might go unnoticed that causes the negative reaction is, car breaking down, wasp Sting's you and all sorts of varied events to get a negative reaction and fracture your self control.

The main stream everything is full of it, most of the people on the planet are running there programs 24_7.

heyokah
9th July 2017, 15:54
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I began this thread specifically to show-case the work of Wes Penre, as underwritten by Robert Stanley. .

I created Comment #3 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973340&viewfull=1#post841973340), as an index of both their work. It was also my intention that any interested member should further search for more of Wes Penre’s, and Robert Stanley’s work.

So far, (now on the 14th page) very few members who are commenting, are referencing either Stanley’s, or Penre’s work.


You are right Exit. So hereby I post one of Wes Penre's best articles.

"The Death Trap and How to Avoid It"

http://www.wespenre.com/Articles/Article_2_Death_Trap_and_How_to_Avoid_It.htm

Table of Contents:


Some Background - Once locked into this frequency, we got stuck in a hologram created by an extraterrestrial group, which most people currently call the “Anunnaki,” but whom I will call the “Alien Invader Force” (AIF) or the “Overlords” in this article.


Difference between Spirit, Soul, Mind, and Body - The Divine Feminine - The Goddess’ First Creation: The Universes - The Goddess’ Second Creation: Spirit - The Goddess’ Third Creation: Fire Composite or Soul Splinter (Fire or Soul for Short)


Wars in the KHAA - the KHAA/VOID of Nothingness


The Human Soul Group - Humans have forgotten who they are and who they are connected to (the Divine Feminine through Spirit/Oversoul) - your “consciousness” is not “you,”. The Spirit/Oversoul is the unit that is really “you.”

http://wespenre.com/My-Books/Book2-AI/wes_penre___synthetic_super_intelligence_and_the_t ransmutation_of_man__a_roadmap_to_the_singularity. pdf


The Death Trap - Spirit Guides are more often than not AIF in disguise. They have the technology to scan the soul—before or at the death moment—for memories and experiences.
In a nutshell: This soul recycling process has been practiced here for millennia, and each time we enter a new body, we do this with artificially induced amnesia caused by the AIF. Thus, we more or less have to relearn what we learned in previous lives. And even though we are not allowed to remember our past lives, traumas and experiences from other lifetimes and other lines of time affect us in the current incarnation because they are embedded in our soul. As a result, we often don’t understand why we act and react the way we do and why we are afraid of certain things and not of others. This makes life on Earth extremely difficult, and the so-called learning lessons are often filled with trauma, guilt, anger, sadness, and other unwanted experiences. This is not how it is supposed to be.


A Portal to the Home Universe - The fear mechanisms - the Grid that surrounds our planet is no longer intact; primarily because there are some of us humans who have raised our consciousness to a level where we partly vibrate outside the limited frequency band we call the Third Dimension. Thus, there are now holes in the Grid that act like portals, leading straight out of the Frequency Prison. And then ........


Learning how to Focus - Focusing is the key when we enter the astral realms after physical death - The importance of thoughts and clearing the mind, then concentrate and focus.


Getting lost in the KHAA? - Learn to create your reality - It might, or might not, open up the portal inside us and show the way to the KHAA, but even if it wouldn’t, the practice in itself is very valuable and useful, once you do enter the KHAA.


Why is the Human Soul Group Considered “Royal?”


Other Options, or just Wildcards? - we need to enlighten the entire human soul group first, before we, as a collective, can exit the Frequency Prison We exit together as one soul group, and the prison walls will shatter and dissolve by our common insights.... But there is the danger of AI and the Singularity, and the “Anunnaki’s” efforts to create a “New Human” that is artificial....


Suicide not the Answer - The reasons not to commit suicide to escape this reality are as many as there are when it comes to not committing suicide for the regular person, who is not aware of the Grid and the KHAA.


The Importance of Meditation - we have the entire Multiverse inside ourselves. Therefore, the answers lie within, as the saying goes.
The more you meditate, the more in charge you will become of your own soul/mind/body, and even the universe around you. This means you will be more difficult to control because not only do you know who you are—you will also experience who you are. These are two different things, entirely.



http://www.wespenre.com/Articles/Article_2_Death_Trap_and_How_to_Avoid_It.htm

Here is the pdf of the article.

http://www.wespenre.com/Articles/PDF/Article_no_2__The_Death_Trap_And_How_To_Avoid_It__ By_Wes_Penre.pdf


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Chuck
19th July 2017, 01:45
Well, as usual, I'm Johnny Come Late... Here now and the party is over. lol Tweet tweet, chirp chirp...

Regardless, I must thank you Exit 0 for a most informative thread and as far as I am concerned, perhaps the most important discussion one can have. I agree with you that we have likely been lied to about everything, who we are, where we came from and where we are going. I suspect, like you do that we live in that matrix... and it is an odd feeling. Like a steer who begins to suspect that there might exist a beef industry...

So besides congratulating you and the other participants whose thoughts have been inspired as a result, I also want to encourage you to stay with it. Because as you so well described, if we are manipulated by the Archons then our emotional reaction to an important dialogue will also be on the radar. i.e.... they will do what is necessary for you to leave the discussion.

Much more to say, but I wanted to add another choice at the death experience. Yes, I could be full of shit... but, it comes from many years of contemplation on this subject (like you).

Before a discussion on the other choice, I want to bring up the source of the Archon information (as far as I know). I believe that to be John Lash. It is within his context and story that the 'other choice' becomes clear. He tells a magnificent story about the Myth Of Sophia. (btw, I haven't gone through every post in detail here yet to see if this has been discussed).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEV9u8aMH7w


Lash pulls in many sources of information, especially the Nag Hammadi Gnostic texts. The tale is beautiful; highly recommended and you'll want to take a walk outside after you do.

Anyway, he describes a goddess from the interior of our galaxy becoming Earth in order to fix and help nurture her dream of evolving the human species. The Archons play an important part of the narrative.

To cut to the chase, the alternative choice upon death is to descend into the protection of Earth (Sophia), merge with 'her' at the core and escape.

Kinda different from the christian belief that "hell is down there", and go to Jesus.

modwiz
19th July 2017, 02:47
Well, as usual, I'm Johnny Come Late... Here now and the party is over. lol Tweet tweet, chirp chirp...

Regardless, I must thank you Exit 0 for a most informative thread and as far as I am concerned, perhaps the most important discussion one can have. I agree with you that we have likely been lied to about everything, who we are, where we came from and where we are going. I suspect, like you do that we live in that matrix... and it is an odd feeling. Like a steer who begins to suspect that there might exist a beef industry...

So besides congratulating you and the other participants whose thoughts have been inspired as a result, I also want to encourage you to stay with it. Because as you so well described, if we are manipulated by the Archons then our emotional reaction to an important dialogue will also be on the radar. i.e.... they will do what is necessary for you to leave the discussion.

Much more to say, but I wanted to add another choice at the death experience. Yes, I could be full of shit... but, it comes from many years of contemplation on this subject (like you).

Before a discussion on the other choice, I want to bring up the source of the Archon information (as far as I know). I believe that to be John Lash. It is within his context and story that the 'other choice' becomes clear. He tells a magnificent story about the Myth Of Sophia. (btw, I haven't gone through every post in detail here yet to see if this has been discussed).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEV9u8aMH7w


Lash pulls in many sources of information, especially the Nag Hammadi Gnostic texts. The tale is beautiful; highly recommended and you'll want to take a walk outside after you do.

Anyway, he describes a goddess from the interior of our galaxy becoming Earth in order to fix and help nurture her dream of evolving the human species. The Archons play an important part of the narrative.

To cut to the chase, the alternative choice upon death is to descend into the protection of Earth (Sophia), merge with 'her' at the core and escape.

Kinda different from the christian belief that "hell is down there", and go to Jesus.

I welcome your putting this video up for people to listen to. Beyond the beauty of the story is the Wisdom of the narrative and the uniting message as well as a pathway to real sovereignty and ultimatley freedom. Especially freedom from the godspell woven over the world by a dedicated priesthood who lurk in academia as well as religions. This priesthood has ancient roots but, they do not go back into our own deep antiquity. They represent the middle-men, the usurpers, of our personal Divine connection. They have always sought to interpret reality for us, and we see Scientism now emerge, as the populace slips away from the control of places of "worship", to interpret reality for us. Climate Denial is one such new heresy in this church of Scientism.

The Sophianic narrative restores a lost connection and allows us to see the world for what it has become and where the levels of control, wielded by a relative few, are located. Thus can correction of our collective psyche be effected.

Welcome to The One Truth, Chuck, stellar entry post, IMO. Emphasis on stellar.

Dreamtimer
19th July 2017, 11:13
This is the interview I listened to that helped me understand his work. It's very good and he really goes into detail.

Aragorn
19th July 2017, 15:23
Well, as usual, I'm Johnny Come Late... Here now and the party is over. lol Tweet tweet, chirp chirp...

Oh no, the party's only just getting started. ;) Glad you're joining us, Chuck. :h5:



http://users.telenet.be/stryder/The_One_Truth/Miscellaneous/welcome.jpeg

Exit 0
19th July 2017, 16:50
Well, as usual, I'm Johnny Come Late... Here now and the party is over. lol Tweet tweet, chirp chirp...

Regardless, I must thank you Exit 0 for a most informative thread and as far as I am concerned, perhaps the most important discussion one can have. I agree with you that we have likely been lied to about everything, who we are, where we came from and where we are going. I suspect, like you do that we live in that matrix... and it is an odd feeling. Like a steer who begins to suspect that there might exist a beef industry...

So besides congratulating you and the other participants whose thoughts have been inspired as a result, I also want to encourage you to stay with it. Because as you so well described, if we are manipulated by the Archons then our emotional reaction to an important dialogue will also be on the radar. i.e.... they will do what is necessary for you to leave the discussion.

Much more to say, but I wanted to add another choice at the death experience. Yes, I could be full of shit... but, it comes from many years of contemplation on this subject (like you).

Before a discussion on the other choice, I want to bring up the source of the Archon information (as far as I know). I believe that to be John Lash. It is within his context and story that the 'other choice' becomes clear. He tells a magnificent story about the Myth Of Sophia. (btw, I haven't gone through every post in detail here yet to see if this has been discussed).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEV9u8aMH7w


Lash pulls in many sources of information, especially the Nag Hammadi Gnostic texts. The tale is beautiful; highly recommended and you'll want to take a walk outside after you do.

Anyway, he describes a goddess from the interior of our galaxy becoming Earth in order to fix and help nurture her dream of evolving the human species. The Archons play an important part of the narrative.

To cut to the chase, the alternative choice upon death is to descend into the protection of Earth (Sophia), merge with 'her' at the core and escape.

Kinda different from the christian belief that "hell is down there", and go to Jesus.

Thanks for asking me back, Chuck.

Back around the turn of the Century, I was deeply engrossed in the study of the Cathar from the Languedoc region of France, the last living concentration of Gnostic Christians, from around the eleventh century AD. These peaceful people were annihilated by Pope Innocent III, when he ordered, “kill them all, let God sort it out”.

The Cathar, much like the Nazarene Essenes, were Love/Heart-oriented people. So much so, they were not even into eating the flesh of any red-blooded animal. The Nazarenes were a separate group within the Essene community, and were the True Christians (Gnostic Christians) that were genocided by The Roman Empire (later to become The Holy Roman Empire [Catholicism - otherwise known as Paulinian Christianity]).

It was within the study of these Cathar that I discovered the Nag Hammadi Library. I was aware of the Archon-story several years before Nash Lamb popularized it. Therefore, I have an adversity to his claim that, “no one knew about the Archons prior to his work”.

With that said, I would like to point to my Comment #149 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841974220&viewfull=1#post841974220), where I describe the evolution of Gnostic Theology.

The original 9 Knights Templar were all sons of the Cathar, and moved to Jerusalem pursuing the legends of great wealth as known by the Cathar.

When the Knights grew in numbers and began the Crusades, they morphed into a Blood-Ritual Society. The origins of the Gnosis, as practiced by the Cathar [and earlier Gnostic communities], was lost to the dark rituals of the Other Side.

According to Wes Penre, Sophia has had many names in mythologies from around the world, all the way back into great antiquity.

Quoted from, HERE (http://wespenre.com/Interviews/Interview_no.1__Insightful_Interview__Wes_Penre_In terviewed_by_Robert_Stanley__9-2-16.htm):

"Queen of the Stars, (En.ki's and Ninurta's mother and En.lil Senior’s consort): a.k.a. Mother Goddess, Ninhursag, Nammu, Ma, Orion Queen, Nin, Ninmah, Artemis, Sophia (Earth in the Gnostic texts), Hera, Diana, Antu, Gaia (Earth).

I hope this helps....

heyokah
19th July 2017, 20:22
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Since the Cathars were mentioned here a few times, I'd like to give some more information about them, while knowing I'm a little off topic perhaps. Sorry Exit.

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The Cathars were a group of people who lived primarily in Southern France during the 11th century to the 14th century. The Cathars were devoted to Light and Love and standing in the "Knowing" of their personal connection to "Source Consciousness".

The Cathars were respected for their healing arts and their knowings in this region. It is understood their healing arts included such things as hands-on healings, toning with voice vibration and song, knowledge of herbs, geomancy, sacred geometry and even tarot.

Much of what has been written about the Cathars was systematically destroyed after the crusades against them perpetrated during the early thirteenth century. These crusades were extraordinary, as the aggressors were primarily French men who were paid by the Catholic church to besiege the peace loving Cathar in their small villages in remote Midi Pyrenees and Languedoc.

It was understood by the Cathars that the Earth holds energies both life affirming and non life affirming, and that gathering at certain locations allowed a connection to the earth and thus a form of connection to healing energy.

The Cathars were very independent people and never appreciated external control. They also had a deep knowledge of the esoteric and of Spirit which is part of their genetic coding.

Upon their arrival in Gaul (Southern France) they began to establish their small private Spiritualist groups. These groups had no particular name, no particular religious symbols, no cross or church, no incense, elitism or hierarchy, just a simple way of Spiritual consciousness. They embraced Love and Light and a knowing that all could be awake if they choose, because all have the connection within.

These people were called the pure ones, purified ones, or Cathars, (Katharos: Greek: purity) a name given by others to describe how these people lived their lives. The Cathars were not interested in labels or churches to identify themselves, nor elitist scriptures, nor rituals that made any one person special.

Their unique approach was that they believed that the Spirit was ever lasting and that physical incarnate life was a passing illusion. This did not mean that there was not a code of conduct that the Cathars embraced. On the contrary. Their "knowing" was that there was only Spirit, who gently asked the Pure Ones to be present to their own Being-ness. This created a Spiritual practice in which an extraordinary kindness was natural.

They saw the way to awakening is through a desire to "wake up", as a homing pigeon that wants to fly home, it can’t help itself, it just has to move towards its destination.

They did not want the easy path, but rather to live in joy, love and connection to Spirit. They wanted to experience their own personal Spiritual awakening, not through a doctrine but through a way of life. They wanted the path of JOY and connection to Light Love and Universal Consciousness.

The Cathars also embraced reincarnation, therefore, in their view, a person could choose to reprocess the life experience again, should he or she need to, or choose to. In this way, some have compared Cathar to Buddhism or even labeled them the Western, or European Buddhists

The Cathars lived in alignment to Spirit, similar to Buddhists and many native people’s beliefs. They embraced the understandings that "the nature of life can be suffering, when one believes the limited views of what we see with our eyes" and that "freedom is available to all". The Cathars believed also that "Spirit reigns supreme" and that "we are Spirit in a physical experience", and that ultimately, "Joy is the purpose of life and Love is our connection to all".

Part of the universal appeal and development of the Cathars was as a result of the union of the Magdalene and Yeshua, therefore the acknowledgment of twin flame was honored. Women had a voice within their community and some held space for awakenings and wisdom. This was also heretical and an abomination in the eyes of the Catholic Church, yet for the Cathar it was simply understood and acceptable practice.

The Cathars were able to offer a very important rite to those who chose to take it. It was called the Consolamentum. This was given by request to those who wanted to take on the activity of Spirit-Awakening fully, and also living present to who they BE. This activity was private and secret and once it was given, the receiver was forever changed by this experience.

The story of the Cathars is an extraordinary one, it holds within it lessons of Love and connection, of song in the form of the troubadours, of healing with hands, words, and oils. It involves understandings of plants and sacred geometry, of connection to animals and also of the sacred intimacy shared between man and woman.

The Cathar developed the tarot for readings and also for coded communications. They were beautiful in Spirit and non-violent in action. They were a people who were able to experience the larger purpose of existence.
These people knew that they were Spirit and they were Love and Light and that this was the human being’s birthright. The question however is …… Do you want to know this truth?

In the end, as documented by the victors of the siege at Montsegur in March 1244, the last 200+ Cathars moved toward the smoking pyre, which would be their completion in that earthly experience and as they did, their voices rang out as one in harmonic song with each other (and to Spirit). This song was not a voice of fanaticism and martyrdom, but one of understanding the knowledge that the time had ended for the Cathar only in physical form.

They knew another time would begin again sometime in the future as it was prophesized by the seers within the group and that many who had once been Cathar would meet again and they would hold the knowing that they are Light and Love and hold the space for others to come to know the true nature of all that is.… One would only need to remember.......

I think that future time has arrived…

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Amanda
20th July 2017, 00:40
heyokah - Thank You. I have read a little about the Cathars. Also about the Knights and how their journey was shaped - it appears that they started with best of honourable intentions but their intentions were thwarted by external sources. It is an interesting fact that King Arthur of Camelot is connected by virtue of his family tree to Joseph of Arimathea - and - only by a few generations, three I think? Have also noted that the Cathars are sometimes called: Catha.

Much Respect & Much Peace - Amanda

Exit 0
20th July 2017, 07:18
Thank you heyokah, for summarizing the belief system of the Cathar. The study of these people had a big influence on my pilgrimage through this lifetime.


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The Cathars also embraced reincarnation, therefore, in their view, a person could choose to reprocess the life experience again, should he or she need to, or choose to. In this way, some have compared Cathar to Buddhism or even labeled them the Western, or European Buddhists

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There’s no doubt the Cathar believed in reincarnation.

There’s little doubt Eastern Religions believe in reincarnation.



Notwithstanding these beliefs, it was through the study of the Cathar that I personally came to the conclusion, reincarnation is a trap!

For so many of us who have been trapped on the Wheel for eons of time, there comes a time when one realizes what’s going-on, beyond believing in a failed system.

Wes Penre’s work…. The point of this Thread, is all about how to escape the Reincarnation Trap….

Chuck
20th July 2017, 08:33
Thank you for the welcome and the on-going references to Wes Penre. It is the first time I have read his material. I have never been married to any belief system or ideology, prefer to gain as much information from various sources as much as possible, especially those with experiences. Certainly it is all about discussing ideas. We are all pilgrims here, each having only a very small perspective in the grand scheme of things.

I suspect that John Lash will have issue with some of the names given/attributed to Sophia over the years, explaining that she has been grossly misrepresented and aggressively smeared. However, he will also take a bolder stance and suggest that she in fact is the real Lucifer.

As many here have discussed, that merely avoiding the light and looking for the gaps... or merging with the earth, might just be more traps.... very difficult to say. I appreciate discussing the ideas.

I like the idea of descending into the earth after death as it seems logically correct and emotionally scary (I have learned that emotions have been genetically programmed for a reason and try to ignore/overcome them as much as possible) heheh.

In other words, if we were born in the wild with little 'civilisation', we would likely have a greater bond with the earth, elements and sun, and would likely want to experience more of that bond after death. I think that we would naturally be drawn into the mother earth's womb. Dunno... just speculating. Our civilised conditioning over the generations programs fear in these things ... at least it does for me. Going to the light seems safe and right... ahem All the more reason for me to question it... as you all do.

heyokah
20th July 2017, 09:33
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There’s no doubt the Cathar believed in reincarnation.

There’s little doubt Eastern Religions believe in reincarnation.



Notwithstanding these beliefs, it was through the study of the Cathar that I personally came to the conclusion, reincarnation is a trap!

For so many of us who have been trapped on the Wheel for eons of time, there comes a time when one realizes what’s going-on, beyond believing in a failed system.

Wes Penre’s work…. The point of this Thread, is all about how to escape the Reincarnation Trap….

So it's all about to believe that there's a way to escape the Reincarnation Trap..... ;-)

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One more time back to the Cathars,

It is commonly claimed that Catharism was based on the idea that the world is evil. This is rather a simplistic summary of a much more complex vision. It might better be said that the Cathars proclaimed there existed within humankind a spark of divine light. This light had fallen into captivity within a realm of corruption, identified with the material world......

According to the Cathars, the world had been created by a lesser and evil deity known in Gnostic myth as the Demiurge. This creative force was not the "True God", though he made pretense of being the "one and only God" before whom was no other.

The Cathars identified this lesser deity, the Demiurge, with the being known by the name of Satan. (It should be noted that classical Gnosticism had not made this explicit link between the Demiurge and Satan).
Essentially, the Cathars proclaimed that the God worshipped by orthodox Christianity was an imposter, and his church was a corrupt abomination, deeply infused by the evils of the material realm.

The Cathars apparently believed that people could be reincarnated. Reincarnation was not however a desired event. The goal of the Cathar was liberation from the realm of limitation and corruption identified with material existence.
The way to escape was to live an ascetic's life, a life dedicated to standing apart as much as possible from the material world and its many evils.

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Liberation was a step-by-step process, accomplished in different measures by each individual.
The Cathars accepted the idea of reincarnation. Those who were unable to achieve liberation during their current mortal journey would return another time to continue the struggle for perfection.

Thus, it should be understood that being reincarnated was neither inevitable nor desirable, and that it occurred because not all humans could break the enthralling chains of matter within a single lifetime.

Belief in the transmigration of souls, resulted in the rejection of Hell and Purgatory, which were and are dogmas of the Catholic faith.
For the Cathars, this world was the only hell. There was nothing to fear after death, save perhaps rebirth.

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Exit 0
21st July 2017, 12:26
Thank you for the welcome and the on-going references to Wes Penre. It is the first time I have read his material. I have never been married to any belief system or ideology, prefer to gain as much information from various sources as much as possible, especially those with experiences. Certainly it is all about discussing ideas. We are all pilgrims here, each having only a very small perspective in the grand scheme of things.

My library is filled with volumes of diverse authors, Chuck. When I discover a researcher to whom I’m drawn, I tend to stick with that author’s work. I wouldn’t characterize that as being “married to any belief system or ideology”, it’s just common sense to follow the evidence wherever it leads. Such is the work of Wes Penre. He’s a superb researcher, and a prolific author.


I like the idea of descending into the earth after death as it seems logically correct and emotionally scary (I have learned that emotions have been genetically programmed for a reason and try to ignore/overcome them as much as possible) heheh.

The idea of a singularity (black hole) at the center of the solar system (The Sun) was covered on Page 8, Chuck.


See Comment #109 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973809&viewfull=1#post841973809),

Comment #117 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973872&viewfull=1#post841973872),

And, Comment #119 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973882&viewfull=1#post841973882).



If one studies the work of Nassim Haramein, one will discover he also suggests that there is a singularity (black hole) at the center of the earth. If one studies enough of this related evidence, one will discover both the sun, and the center of the earth (through volcanoes) are both used by UFO’s as an access point (portal) to other universes, i.e. Star Gates, otherwise known by the Gnostics as, "The Gate In The Garden Wall" - See, HERE (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973593&viewfull=1#post841973593)

Jengelen
21st July 2017, 13:20
My library is filled with volumes of diverse authors, Chuck. When I discover a researcher to whom I’m drawn, I tend to stick with that author’s work. I wouldn’t characterize that as being “married to any belief system or ideology”, it’s just common sense to follow the evidence wherever it leads. Such is the work of Wes Penre. He’s a superb researcher, and a prolific author.



The idea of a singularity (black hole) at the center of the solar system (The Sun) was covered on Page 8, Chuck.


See Comment #109 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973809&viewfull=1#post841973809),

Comment #117 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973872&viewfull=1#post841973872),

And, Comment #119 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973882&viewfull=1#post841973882).



If one studies the work of Nassim Haramein, one will discover he also suggests that there is a singularity (black hole) at the center of the earth. If one studies enough of this related evidence, one will discover both the sun, and the center of the earth (through volcanoes) are both used by UFO’s as an access point (portal) to other universes, i.e. Star Gates, otherwise known by the Gnostics as, "The Gate In The Garden Wall" - See, HERE (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841973593&viewfull=1#post841973593)

Doesn't Nassim say we are all singularities, each and everyone of us also?

Exit 0
21st July 2017, 13:25
^^^^
That's partially correct, Jengelen.

What he actually says is, every atom is a singularity. Therefore, making every atomic structure (Humans included) an amalgam of billions, and billions of mini black holes (Singularities).

Exit 0
21st July 2017, 15:20
Well, as usual, I'm Johnny Come Late... Here now and the party is over. lol Tweet tweet, chirp chirp...

Regardless, I must thank you Exit 0 for a most informative thread and as far as I am concerned, perhaps the most important discussion one can have. I agree with you that we have likely been lied to about everything, who we are, where we came from and where we are going. I suspect, like you do that we live in that matrix... and it is an odd feeling. Like a steer who begins to suspect that there might exist a beef industry...

So besides congratulating you and the other participants whose thoughts have been inspired as a result, I also want to encourage you to stay with it. Because as you so well described, if we are manipulated by the Archons then our emotional reaction to an important dialogue will also be on the radar. i.e.... they will do what is necessary for you to leave the discussion.

Much more to say, but I wanted to add another choice at the death experience. Yes, I could be full of shit... but, it comes from many years of contemplation on this subject (like you).

Before a discussion on the other choice, I want to bring up the source of the Archon information (as far as I know). I believe that to be John Lash. It is within his context and story that the 'other choice' becomes clear. He tells a magnificent story about the Myth Of Sophia. (btw, I haven't gone through every post in detail here yet to see if this has been discussed).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEV9u8aMH7w


Lash pulls in many sources of information, especially the Nag Hammadi Gnostic texts. The tale is beautiful; highly recommended and you'll want to take a walk outside after you do.

Anyway, he describes a goddess from the interior of our galaxy becoming Earth in order to fix and help nurture her dream of evolving the human species. The Archons play an important part of the narrative.

To cut to the chase, the alternative choice upon death is to descend into the protection of Earth (Sophia), merge with 'her' at the core and escape.

Kinda different from the christian belief that "hell is down there", and go to Jesus.


Thanks for asking me back, Chuck.

Back around the turn of the Century, I was deeply engrossed in the study of the Cathar from the Languedoc region of France, the last living concentration of Gnostic Christians, from around the eleventh century AD. These peaceful people were annihilated by Pope Innocent III, when he ordered, “kill them all, let God sort it out”.

The Cathar, much like the Nazarene Essenes, were Love/Heart-oriented people. So much so, they were not even into eating the flesh of any red-blooded animal. The Nazarenes were a separate group within the Essene community, and were the True Christians (Gnostic Christians) that were genocided by The Roman Empire (later to become The Holy Roman Empire [Catholicism - otherwise known as Paulinian Christianity]).

It was within the study of these Cathar that I discovered the Nag Hammadi Library. I was aware of the Archon-story several years before Nash Lamb popularized it. Therefore, I have an adversity to his claim that, “no one knew about the Archons prior to his work”.

With that said, I would like to point to my Comment #149 (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11143-Soul-Harvesting-How-To-Escape-The-Patrix?p=841974220&viewfull=1#post841974220), where I describe the evolution of Gnostic Theology.

The original 9 Knights Templar were all sons of the Cathar, and moved to Jerusalem pursuing the legends of great wealth as known by the Cathar.

When the Knights grew in numbers and began the Crusades, they morphed into a Blood-Ritual Society. The origins of the Gnosis, as practiced by the Cathar [and earlier Gnostic communities], was lost to the dark rituals of the Other Side.


According to Wes Penre, Sophia has had many names in mythologies from around the world, all the way back into great antiquity.

Quoted from, HERE (http://wespenre.com/Interviews/Interview_no.1__Insightful_Interview__Wes_Penre_In terviewed_by_Robert_Stanley__9-2-16.htm):

"Queen of the Stars, (En.ki's and Ninurta's mother and En.lil Senior’s consort): a.k.a. Mother Goddess, Ninhursag, Nammu, Ma, Orion Queen, Nin, Ninmah, Artemis, Sophia (Earth in the Gnostic texts), Hera, Diana, Antu, Gaia (Earth).


I hope this helps....

It's not my intention of going-off on a John Lamb Lash-bashing rant, Chuck, but I'd like to expand on my pre-mentioned aversion to John.

There were several Threads at "The Project" where Lamb was being discussed. At one point, a member (Selkie), who was a long-term companion of Lamb's, started posting her experiences. Here's a link to one of the threads: LINK (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=918851&viewfull=1#post918851).

You can see where Selkie joins the conversation at Comment #177 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=934945&viewfull=1#post934945), and then thereafter.

You might find her Comment #181 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=935486&viewfull=1#post935486), and Comment #434 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=1007280&viewfull=1#post1007280) informative, but I urge the members to read-through the Thread, and draw their own conclusions.

Paloma
21st July 2017, 15:24
Selkie might take a lesson from Christine, how to move away from bitterness.
Not that I blame her, after what she went through.
But for her own sake....

Exit 0
21st July 2017, 15:38
^^^^
I agree Paloma, Christine is a Saint among empaths.

Selkie, was damaged beyond repair from her John Lash experience. She was attacked spiritually as well as financially. .... a hard path to exit with grace.

However, I diverge. This thread is not about John Lash....

heyokah
22nd July 2017, 07:25
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I found this video on Aianawa's thread, "Volunteers" (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11225-Volunteers?p=841975998#post841975998).

I think it will fit-in here very well.

It's a telepathic conversation between two young girls as "Oversouls". One describing what it was like to experience Earth.


qyIkyAo1U7I

Exit 0
22nd July 2017, 13:04
^^^^

Yes…. Of course…. It’s all as simple as the imagination of a child!!!

Here’s the rub:
Now, I know there will be those who will accuse me of promoting more fear, here.

It’s not quite as simple as the video portrays. In order to escape the Matrix/Patrix one must first recognize the traps that bind souls to this reality. Then one must learn where the Gate In The Garden Wall is hiding.

This system was created to work exactly as it does. It’s not broken. Those volunteers who have come to free the imprisoned should also be aware, they too can become trapped, without the knowledge of how to get-back-out.

This particular reality…. This particular earth, will continue-on for another eternity, doing exactly what it has been doing for eternities-past.

The Earth/Reality that's portrayed in the video, doesn't exist in this Particular Reality. It exists within another dimension.... or a distant part of this Universe. Getting back to it requires knowledge, and understanding.

Adults should never allow children to play in traffic….

Cross-posting this comment to the source thread (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11225-Volunteers?p=841976010&viewfull=1#post841976010) for the video.

heyokah
22nd July 2017, 13:50
Yes…. Of course…. It’s all as simple as the imagination of a child!!!

Here’s the rub:
Now, I know there will be those who will accuse me of promoting more fear, here.

It’s not quite as simple as the video portrays. In order to escape the Matrix/Patrix one must first recognize the traps that bind souls to this reality. Then one must learn where the Gate In The Garden Wall is hiding.

This system was created to work exactly as it does. It’s not broken. Those volunteers who have come to free the imprisoned should also be aware, they too can become trapped, without the knowledge of how to get-back-out.

This particular reality…. This particular earth, will continue-on for another eternity, doing exactly what it has been doing for eternities-past.

The Earth/Reality that's portrayed in the video, doesn't exist in this Particular Reality. It exists within another dimension.... or a distant part of this Universe. Getting back to it requires knowledge, and understanding.

Adults should never allow children to play in traffic….



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It's the adults who made the problem of the traffic. :)

"Jesus called a little child to stand among them. “Truly I tell you, He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven". Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this little child will get there.…
- Free after Matthew 18:3

I don't know this guy Matthew very well. I was brought up without religion. But it's somewhere in your Bible ;-)

But.... It will probably be Rex Mundi's heaven, or Walt Disney's one ??

Exit 0
22nd July 2017, 14:27
Yes…. Of course…. It’s all as simple as the imagination of a child!!!






But.... It will probably be Rex Mundi's heaven, or Walt Disney's one ??

I've said this so many times in the past, heyokah, you're probably sick of hearing it....

"They Are Very Clever At What They Do"

I trust my gut, not the voices in my head. My gut tells me there's more to getting-out than the voices are telling us.

How simple it all is!!!:
"Just go-back to sleep".... "everything will be O.K. at the new dawn - just over the horizon".

These are the mantra that have been repeated, ad nauseum, since the Dawn Of Man.

Am I the only one who sees it???

heyokah
22nd July 2017, 14:42
I've said this so many times in the past, heyokah, you're probably sick of hearing it....

"They Are Very Clever At What They Do"

I trust my gut, not the voices in my head. My gut tells me there's more to getting-out than the voices are telling us.

How simple it all is!!!:
"Just go-back to sleep".... "everything will be O.K. at the new dawn - just over the horizon".

These are the mantra that have been repeated, ad nauseum, since the Dawn Of Man.

Am I the only one who sees it???

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SKkMkodo4MI

"They Are Very Clever At What They Do"

LMAO .... I love that bumper sticker !!! :love:

Exit 0
22nd July 2017, 15:27
^^^^

Of course I'm not talking to you, heyokah.

Of all the participants on this Thread, I know you are among the few who "get it"!!!

I'm well aware you, "love that bumper sticker".....

LMAO at your 'cuteness', Joke.