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WantDisclosure
19th June 2017, 21:38
My understanding is that due to regular cycles the sun goes through, we can expect on planet earth to be hit by a CME (coronal mass ejection) at some point in the future. There is also the danger of a nation striking an enemy with an EMP (electromagnetic pulse.)

Apparently, a bill called the SHIELD (Secure High-Voltage Infrastructure for Electricity from Lethal Damage) Act was introduced in the United States Congress years ago, but not passed, and is still sitting in committees.

Also, there is a Space Weather Prediction Center (SWPC), which has the technology to warn 900 coops in North America twelve hours before a CME strikes, but not one of these coops is signed up to take advantage of the alert system.

In a recent Kerry Cassidy interview of space technology expert David Adair, he begins talking about this particular topic, in an interview about other topics also, at 44:06 (https://youtu.be/eR9ej1_qV1E?t=44m4s). He said that he is going to be on Coast to Coast AM soon and will be giving out addresses of the committee chairpersons so that citizens can write letters in support of the bill:


Streamed live on Jun 14, 2017

In this interview David talks about . . . the danger that CMEs and EMPs are to the unprotected grid and what we can do about it. . . .

David Adair is an internationally recognized expert in space technology spinoff applications for industry and commercial use. At age 11 he built his first of hundreds of rockets which he designed and test flew. At 17 he won "The Most Outstanding in the Field of Engineering Sciences" from the US Air Force. At 19 he designed and fabricated a state-of-the-art mechanical system for changing jet turbine engines for the US Navy that set world record turnaround times that still stand today.

KERRY CASSIDY
PROJECT CAMELOT
http://projectcamelotportal.com

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Melidae
20th June 2017, 02:23
An alternate point of view....found at https://jimstonerss.wordpress.com/tag/emp/

Taken from the article:

"The EMP hoax was never real, but it worked well to scare the public into believing there really could be a day of doom where everything went black, which is just what the “Elite” would want during a final power grab and enslavement of the people."

modwiz
20th June 2017, 02:31
An alternate point of view....found at https://jimstonerss.wordpress.com/tag/emp/

Taken from the article:

"The EMP hoax was never real, but it worked well to scare the public into believing there really could be a day of doom where everything went black, which is just what the “Elite” would want during a final power grab and enslavement of the people."


Now, that is a worthwhile read. Although it seemed feasable to me, fear was never experienced. Something intuitive, or otherwise, told me to not be concerned. Thank you, Mel, you might have brought comfort to many.

Melidae
20th June 2017, 02:37
Now, that is a worthwhile read. Although it seemed feasable to me, fear was never experienced. Something intuitive, or otherwise, told me to not be concerned. Thank you, Mel, you might have brought comfort to many.

Our beliefs are so much stronger than anyone thinks... The 'elite' only need us to believe their propaganda in order to press forward with their plans. Nothing like a good dose of fear to paralyze people.

I do what I can.

Dumpster Diver
20th June 2017, 04:10
Great read and find, Mel.

OK, our fun thread on BR vs CG sorta got me into a frame of mind to review every Camelot video and interviews they have been "promoting." In the military, they had the fear of God put into them on EMP to where they have Faraday cages built literally everywhere, mostly for communications damping but also Nuke strike EMP protection. I was even planning on building a "shielded" area in the new house (I may still to keep bad guy listening attenuated).

I've been using the guide of: whatever "they" (MSM, etc) promote, look into it to see why. Usually the opposite is the case. Thinking we extend this to Camelot videos, going back how far? All?

Also, the Carrington Event has to be reviewed in this light:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859

It could well be another case of wiki-propaganda

Dreamtimer
20th June 2017, 09:30
You and TargeT both have the same approach to the media, Dumpy.

Remember when Romney was talking so much about the dangers of EMPs? He was also talking about he dangers of Russia. People laughed about that at the time.

Barbarella
20th June 2017, 10:44
It could well be another case of wiki-propaganda

Well it could be, but it isn't! Like most Wikipedia entries it pulls material together from various sources to (usually) get all the facts in one place.

The Carrington event for example was a well-documented incident and is familiar to well-informed communications engineers. The effects were very real, though not understood by the telegraph operators at the time.

Many similar but much smaller events happen during most solar cycles. The power grid companies are aware of the effects and have plans in place to try to reduce the failures of the distribution network. This is one of the reasons why studying the sun and space weather is so important to us now. The problem is we have no idea how often the earth gets directly hit by one of these massive CMEs. The best guestimation I heard was approximately every 400 years - but I have no idea how that figure was obtained.

Regarding EMPs destroying modern electronics, that's an interesting article. But some matters of note:

In the 1980s Racal communications had TEMPEST shielding on much of their military telecoms equipment. This has a number of purposes, but one of them is to protect against EMP. This was an expensive feature, and not likely to be developed for no good reason.

The Jim Stone article mentions EMP frequencies, but the effect is the massively steep electromagnetic wave front (the pulse) and energy it contains almost regardless of frequency. But it doesn't matter if it was only a very small band of frequencies. It the electromagnetic field is strong enough, it's the voltage induced in conducting surfaces of the electronics that does the damage.

What Stone also neglects to mention is that while an unconnected item of electronics may escape damage, in practice our whole society runs from the mains - which is in effect hundreds or thousands of miles of unscreened antenna criss-crossing the land. A weapon designed to put most its energy into the EMP would induce voltage spikes in these grid wires that would do untold damage - as anyone served by overhead wires will confirm when they get their router/modem/PC damaged by a nearby lightning strike!

Babs

Aragorn
20th June 2017, 11:00
A weapon designed to put most its energy into the EMP would induce voltage spikes in these grid wires that would do untold damage - as anyone served by overhead wires will confirm when they get their router/modem/PC damaged by a nearby lightning strike!

I've had some experience with that in September 2000, and the power wasn't even served to my apartment by overhead wires. :shocked:

Lightning struck in a tree in the garden of the house next to the apartment building where I was living at the time. It split the tree right in half. My cable modem, my computer and my monitor were all fried. Five minutes later and I would have had everything safely unplugged, but I was unfortunately in the bathroom at the exact moment it struck, and my computer was still powered up at that point.

The machine and the monitor were both only six weeks old, and it was a quite expensive and custom-ordered workstation. :fpalm:

WantDisclosure
20th June 2017, 11:53
An alternate point of view....found at https://jimstonerss.wordpress.com/tag/emp/

Taken from the article:

"The EMP hoax was never real, but it worked well to scare the public into believing there really could be a day of doom where everything went black, which is just what the “Elite” would want during a final power grab and enslavement of the people."
I am neutral on that statement.

I had forgotten who Jim Stone is, so I searched Camelot interviews. Just for the record, here is what came up:


Published on Apr 4, 2012

This is a live Project Camelot Roundtable discussion with Jim Stone ex-NSA technical analyst who has done a substantial amount of investigation on the Fukushima disaster.

This Livestream was a follow-up to my original interview on my weekly show on American Freedom Radio March 28th. We discussed some additional details with regard to the Fukushima disaster along with photos of reactors 3 & 4 and the fascinating fact that reactor 4 was apparently shut down when it exploded.

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fuku...

As a result of his in-depth report getting the truth out about the sabotage behind Fukushima Jim Stone is now on the run and seeking asylum from the U.S. in Mexico. His report reveals the real events behind Fukushima and the possible connection with recent nuclear power plant problems at San Onofre in Southern California and in the Midwest, Chicago area..

What was stunningly revealed is how Israel has the ability, to trigger a nuclear event in any power plant or other industrial facility including oil refineries using the Stuxnet virus now transferable via email, according to Stone. The implications of this for Israel running the world and getting what they want are far reaching. They don't need a suitcase nuke or a bomb...

He also gives his take on 2012 and fills us in on various standard surveillance techniques used by the NSA and in effect since the fifties.

Note: Due to Jim's location and the targeted interference during this discussion you will find the connection fails during the times when we are discussing the most sensitive topics and is fine otherwise.

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Dreamtimer
20th June 2017, 12:07
Thanks Babs.

Eric Dollard, an electric universe guy among other things, talks about how the grid is very vulnerable. He goes into specifics which are technical and I don't recall. It was in a video posted here. I'm not sure where, I'll see if I can find it.

Melidae
20th June 2017, 13:25
You could put what I personally know about emp's and electricity and the grid into a thimble, so I'm really enjoying the conversation.

I do have a question. I keep reading here about the 'electric universe', which is not a new theory. What is a newer theory I've been hearing about is that the sun has gone plasma since it became a white sun. Does anyone know anything about this? I'd like to know more...or should I say I'd like to understand the difference. Or is it all bunk?

TargeT
20th June 2017, 13:59
Thanks Babs.

Eric Dollard, an electric universe guy among other things, talks about how the grid is very vulnerable. He goes into specifics which are technical and I don't recall. It was in a video posted here. I'm not sure where, I'll see if I can find it.

Just look at the physical structure of a transformer, if you load the wire with a high charge it will hit the transformer that is not built for that voltage/amperage & cause high resistance (heat).. we have transformers explode down here all the time (I attribute it to poor maintenance, inconsistent power production and a tropical environment that deteriorates everything more rapidly) This is definitely something that is possible, we know that from the carrington event.

I've never seen an EMP weapon, but I'm sure this isn't a "hoax" concept.

Look what you can do with just a 9volt battery and some copper wire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAV8_D71M0o



a newer theory I've been hearing about is that the sun has gone plasma since it became a white sun. Does anyone know anything about this? I'd like to know more...or should I say I'd like to understand the difference. Or is it all bunk?

I have heard a couple of things, but not read anything directly...

Here's what makes me think it's bunk:

The sun has always been a ball of plasma (or at least, the outer layer is plasma), and it's currently going into a "solar minimum" (less activity, less CME's, less sun spots, less "solar wind" which is a pretty good indicator that we are headed into a cooling period). This is directly observable and reported on daily ( lots of sunspot trackers out there (https://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/sunspots/) two day there's two sun spots...).

If you follow the electric universe theory then the sun is either an anode or cathode, depending on which theorist (http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8100) your reading (haha).

the "white sun" stuff seems to be sayinig that the sun is getting hotter, I keep hearing people saying they get sun burnt quicker, and that proves the sun is "getting hotter" and it looks "white" now to them.. I think this has an "electric universe" explanation and it has less to do with the sun and more to do with the sun's influence on earth and earths magnetosphere, a weakened sun is putting less energy into the earth via solar winds, could this be weakening our magnetic field as well? we know that less solar wind allows more cosmic radiation to strike the atmosphere which in turn causes cloud formation, and cooler temps etc etc... I think we are in for a few years of very interesting weather due to a strong solar minimum cycle, not getting a hotter sun.

Barbarella
20th June 2017, 15:30
The sun always has changed through its evolution, but I doubt it's changed much on a human scale - any solar physicists able to confirm that?

The approx 11 year solar cycle certainly is on a human scale, but if no one told you about it you'd not notice. It wasn't until 1755 that anyone even noticed the sun had cycles!

Professional and amateur solar physicists would have notice any colour (and therefore temperature) changes that happened over the past 100 years or so. The sun's light spectrum is extremely well analysed, researched, documented and has been for at least 150 years, so I think we can probably rule out any changes, or at least those so significant people claim to be able to see with the naked eye!

Babs

Dreamtimer
20th June 2017, 15:57
The atmosphere certainly affects the color, or at least the perception of it. What are the atmospheric influences at hand? There would be different ones for different layers.

Barbarella
20th June 2017, 16:03
The atmosphere certainly affects the color, or at least the perception of it. What are the atmospheric influences at hand? There would be different ones for different layers.

Altitude, latitude, pollution, water vapour, time of day, cloud cover, season...

Melidae
20th June 2017, 16:05
Thanks TargeT and Babs.

Clif High has an interesting take on the sun. iirc, he says that we're now entering a different area of space which is affecting the sun and the planets...that the sun is actually getting cooler (?) and we can expect an ice age even though people have the sensation that the sun is hotter on their skin. Hope I haven't messed that up!

Anyway, Clif's ideas tend to go against traditional ideas, so I take it with a grain of salt.

Any thoughts?

Dumpster Diver
20th June 2017, 16:05
You and TargeT both have the same approach to the media, Dumpy.

Remember when Romney was talking so much about the dangers of EMPs? He was also talking about he dangers of Russia. People laughed about that at the time.

Excepting TargeT is also a card-carrying member of Camelot. I registered, lurk, but do not get involved. I get vectors for research. Now I'm finding many can be negative, also good as I invert the math, and so valuable in it's own right. No shade thrown on TargeT, I kind of admire him for getting along with what are essentially two warring camps.

Yeah, Romney...when he was on the scene, I had a job, was in a fight to the death with the banks over 11 mortgages on 7 properties due to W trashing the market to wipe out the savings of millions of Americans and transfer said monies to the criminal elite. I still had another year on the job to right the ship, get sacked (along with 3 million other small contractors due to financial shutdown in Washington DC), and another several years to wake up to the world as we have it now.

Dumpster Diver
20th June 2017, 16:13
Well it could be, but it isn't! Like most Wikipedia entries it pulls material together from various sources to (usually) get all the facts in one place.

The Carrington event for example was a well-documented incident and is familiar to well-informed communications engineers. The effects were very real, though not understood by the telegraph operators at the time.

Many similar but much smaller events happen during most solar cycles. The power grid companies are aware of the effects and have plans in place to try to reduce the failures of the distribution network. This is one of the reasons why studying the sun and space weather is so important to us now. The problem is we have no idea how often the earth gets directly hit by one of these massive CMEs. The best guestimation I heard was approximately every 400 years - but I have no idea how that figure was obtained.

Regarding EMPs destroying modern electronics, that's an interesting article. But some matters of note:

In the 1980s Racal communications had TEMPEST shielding on much of their military telecoms equipment. This has a number of purposes, but one of them is to protect against EMP. This was an expensive feature, and not likely to be developed for no good reason.

The Jim Stone article mentions EMP frequencies, but the effect is the massively steep electromagnetic wave front (the pulse) and energy it contains almost regardless of frequency. But it doesn't matter if it was only a very small band of frequencies. It the electromagnetic field is strong enough, it's the voltage induced in conducting surfaces of the electronics that does the damage.

What Stone also neglects to mention is that while an unconnected item of electronics may escape damage, in practice our whole society runs from the mains - which is in effect hundreds or thousands of miles of unscreened antenna criss-crossing the land. A weapon designed to put most its energy into the EMP would induce voltage spikes in these grid wires that would do untold damage - as anyone served by overhead wires will confirm when they get their router/modem/PC damaged by a nearby lightning strike!

Babs

Well, yes, but now we have increasingly more folks, especially in the SW with solar panels on roofs. The issue with those can be, at least here in San Diego with the SDG&E pirates, you must run your system thru the power meter. So, when the power is down, meter is down and even if the sun is up and you are generating power, you can't use it as meter is shut down. To build an electrical workaround this is illegal as SDG&E has legislation in place to "prevent damage to the electric grid." So, I'm getting Tesla's Powerwall (battery) in the new (bunkered) house.

Dumpster Diver
20th June 2017, 16:21
The sun always has changed through its evolution, but I doubt it's changed much on a human scale - any solar physicists able to confirm that?

The approx 11 year solar cycle certainly is on a human scale, but if no one told you about it you'd not notice. It wasn't until 1755 that anyone even noticed the sun had cycles!

Professional and amateur solar physicists would have notice any colour (and therefore temperature) changes that happened over the past 100 years or so. The sun's light spectrum is extremely well analysed, researched, documented and has been for at least 150 years, so I think we can probably rule out any changes, or at least those so significant people claim to be able to see with the naked eye!

Babs

Start here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVgUZv9ccyQ

at this location:

http://www.suspicious0bservers.org

Ben Davidson is a hard core sun scientist, data driven as well. As I mention elsewhere here in TOT, I personally found the sun heating up by personal observation as I "sun eat," stare at the sun to gather photons early in the day and late in the day. Over the last year or so, I noticed that the sun was not red anymore at sunrise and I had to go to sunglasses at lower sun angles. Also, sun is white at zenith, not yellow as it was just a few years ago. Ask anybody who work outside, gardeners, roofers, etc. they will all tell you the sun is hotter, with more UV, "burning" radiation.

WantDisclosure
20th June 2017, 16:26
. . . a card-carrying member of Camelot.
There is no such thing as far as I'm concerned, as a person who takes very seriously the interviews posted there over the years.

You make it sound as if people who pay attention to the interviews believe everything said in them to the exclusion of other sources.

Kerry Cassidy herself doesn't do that, in my opinion. I think she is well aware of the complex, contradiction-filled task of investigating what's truly going on in the world.

Dumpster Diver
20th June 2017, 16:29
Thanks TargeT and Babs.

Clif High has an interesting take on the sun. iirc, he says that we're now entering a different area of space which is affecting the sun and the planets...that the sun is actually getting cooler (?) and we can expect an ice age even though people have the sensation that the sun is hotter on their skin. Hope I haven't messed that up!

Anyway, Clif's ideas tend to go against traditional ideas, so I take it with a grain of salt.

Any thoughts?


Clif is wrong, as he has not thoroughly researched the area. He is also working with a mistaken model of the solar system and has shown such in one of his videos. He is stuck, as I was for a while, on the Maunder Minimum-like sunspot pause caused by 400 year alignments of the big planets in the solar system in relation to our sun.

Sun is getting hotter, the Deep State is chemtrailing the crap outta us to attenuate the hotter, brighter sun. We are heading to a pole-flip, most likely caused by a coming electrical discharge between the sun and the earth. This is why the heavy money folks are digging bunkers all over the US and the planet. We appear to be in for a "hell" of a ride over the next several years.

Barbarella
20th June 2017, 17:53
[...] We are heading to a pole-flip, most likely caused by a coming electrical discharge between the sun and the earth [...]

Where do you get this from? Can you describe what you mean by 'pole flip'?

Babs

TargeT
20th June 2017, 18:55
For what it's worth:


Excepting TargeT is also a card-carrying member of Camelot.

Project Avalon and Project Camelot are quite a bit different.

I've watched maybe 2 videos from Project Camelot, I don't "buy" much of that whistle-blower-with-no-evidence stuff, and I can't stomach channeled material either.







I "sun eat," stare at the sun to gather photons early in the day and late in the day.

I also sun gaze (and barefoot for grounding), but I can do it at any point in the day now for a few min; and my wife works 6-8 hours in the sun guiding horse tours and isn't burning or putting on sun screen. Sun looks the same to me, same intense experience.


I spend at least 1 day a week in the sun for 4+ hours, haven't worn sunscreen since I first moved down here and I don't burn anymore.

Maybe the atmosphere is thicker near the equator? My anecdotal evidence doesn't seem to indicate any changes... I also feed and water 32 horses, my water requirements haven't gone up in any different pattern than normal (a bit more in summer).

Do you have anything beyond anecdotal evidence to support this theory?

Dumpster Diver
20th June 2017, 19:05
Where do you get this from? Can you describe what you mean by 'pole flip'?

Babs

Did you watch the video?

Also, I have a lot of notes sprinkled around TOT on this topic. Repeating what I've posted before is tedious for me. The two main sources (highest probability) of evidence for pole flipping is DW and Ben Davidson as I have the most VERIFIED data from both.

Dumpster Diver
20th June 2017, 19:17
For what it's worth:

Project Avalon and Project Camelot are quite a bit different.

I've watched maybe 2 videos from Project Camelot, I don't "buy" much of that whistle-blower-with-no-evidence stuff, and I can't stomach channeled material either.

"channeled"? Did I say anything about such? I thought you read my stuff on psyop. But as a Koolaid Kamelot person, I can see why you don't care for it.




I also sun gaze (and barefoot for grounding), but I can do it at any point in the day now for a few min; and my wife works 6-8 hours in the sun guiding horse tours and isn't burning or putting on sun screen. Sun looks the same to me, same intense experience.

I spend at least 1 day a week in the sun for 4+ hours, haven't worn sunscreen since I first moved down here and I don't burn anymore.

Maybe the atmosphere is thicker near the equator? My anecdotal evidence doesn't seem to indicate any changes... I also feed and water 32 horses, my water requirements haven't gone up in any different pattern than normal (a bit more in summer).

Do you have anything beyond anecdotal evidence to support this theory?

...barefoot grounding, right...news dude, you don't need it. Photons into the eyes are photons into the eyes.

Glad to hear you have built up a resistance, there may be something to it. I stay out of the sun as I'm blond, very fair skinned, and blue eyed.

Anecdotal? I just love it when folks use terms they have no idea of how to use. I have now over 40 people saying the same sorts of things, I have my own personal evidence myself. I have Ben Davidson, I have DW; and no, it doesn't flip me out when DW talks about his pecker like you guys here at TOT as he has a lot of verified data points in Wisdom Teachings. Davidson is the foremost among these as he is a hard, peer-reviewed scientist. So "Anecdotal?" NO!

TargeT
20th June 2017, 19:43
"channeled"? Did I say anything about such?

I probably mistakenly associate Camelot with channeled info, I mean that's basically what a lot of the "whistle blowers" are doing in my mind... haha


I thought you read my stuff on psyop. But as a Koolaid Kamelot person, I can see why you don't care for it.

again, cool-aid-project-avalon person, haha I was never associated with Camelot nor watched (basically) any of their videos.. your right, I'm completely UN-interested in that entire web site/situation.




...barefoot grounding, right...news dude, you don't need it. Photons into the eyes are photons into the eyes.

Yeah, grounding is unrelated, but the two go together well... and frankly I don't wear shoes much outside of work anymore.


Anecdotal? I just love it when folks use terms they have no idea of how to use. I have now over 40 people saying the same sorts of things, I have my own personal evidence myself. I have Ben Davidson, I have DW; and no, it doesn't flip me out when DW talks about his pecker like you guys here at TOT as he has a lot of verified data points in Wisdom Teachings.

I only rarely watch Ben Davidson; but I thought he was focused on the "earth facing quiet" or something... aka the sun is being less energetic, not more so. I don't read DW stuff anymore; I liked his old stuff... he seems a bit off now.


Davidson is the foremost among these as he is a hard, peer-reviewed scientist. So "Anecdotal?" NO!
right, that's normally where i would include a link to these "non-anecdotal" bits, you know sharing what you've learned and what not ;) I didn't ask rhetorically.

Davidson doesn't seem to have a peer reviewed paper or anything non-anecdotal (is there a formal study?) on the topic that I've found; but it's a fairly new one to the noosphere.

Dumpster Diver
20th June 2017, 20:05
again, cool-aid-project-avalon person, haha I was never associated with Camelot nor watched (basically) any of their videos.. your right, I'm completely UN-interested in that entire web site/situation.

Yeah, grounding is unrelated, but the two go together well... and frankly I don't wear shoes much outside of work anymore.

I only rarely watch Ben Davidson; but I thought he was focused on the "earth facing quiet" or something... aka the sun is being less energetic, not more so. I don't read DW stuff anymore; I liked his old stuff... he seems a bit off now.

right, that's normally where i would include a link to these "non-anecdotal" bits, you know sharing what you've learned and what not ;) I didn't ask rhetorically.

Davidson doesn't seem to have a peer reviewed paper or anything non-anecdotal (is there a formal study?) on the topic that I've found; but it's a fairly new one to the noosphere.

If you don't watch Camelot videos, how can you possibly comment on them? Look, data sources are data sources. Negative data sources are even MORE valuable than positive as there is a driving reason they are doing it, and it tends to become clear as you research it, and I find the "signal strength" is higher. But you flip the info as negative, right? The opposite is the truth you are looking for.

Ben Davidson: obviously you don't watch his stuff or look around his site. His peer-reviewed papers are listed on the site somewhere. If you can't find them write back and I'll dig them out for you. He is the, hands down, most important, most scientific earthquake authority out there. Everything is called and verified. He calls major earthquakes at the 70%+ level! VERIFIED! The pole reversal info is important, the storm/weather research is important. If you don't do one other thing, you owe it to yourself to view the main videos on his site at least.

DW is as accurate as he always was in Wisdom Teachings. Forget Baron von Birdhousen, it's a mostly Sci-Fi side show, but with a trickle of verification coming in.

TargeT
20th June 2017, 21:22
But you flip the info as negative, right? The opposite is the truth you are looking for.

Nope, just not interesting, I follow what I'm interested in. I think "negative and positive" or "good and evil" are just a matter of preference.. not much into polarizing or declaring something "evil"... I guess for me "evil" is just boring.


He calls major earthquakes at the 70%+ level! VERIFIED! The pole reversal info is important, the storm/weather research is important. If you don't do one other thing, you owe it to yourself to view the main videos on his site at least.

I've watched a bunch of his videos and completely agree with most of his findings, especially in relation to solar activity and earthquakes; I just haven't seen anything on the sun becoming hotter as I'm not a frequent viewer of his material, I thought perhaps you had a direct reference or something on that.

I see stuff from him that agrees with what I think is going on: less solar activity



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7whL9jvdL5s

Dumpster Diver
20th June 2017, 21:56
Umm, you need to watch more Davidson, he says sun is getting more chaotic. More coronal holes, more CMEs.

I am now reaching out to another ESA sun scientist to get his view.

Barbarella
20th June 2017, 23:09
Umm, you need to watch more Davidson, he says sun is getting more chaotic. More coronal holes, more CMEs.

I am now reaching out to another ESA sun scientist to get his view.

The trouble is, we've only been studying the sun properly for a couple of hundred years, and very scientifically for only a hundred years. Same with the earth and its magnetic properties.

So we don't really know if the sun (or earth) is behaving oddly or not because we don't have thousands or millions of years of accurate data to go on.

For both sun and earth activity we've got very rough data from tree rings, ice cores and rocks, but there isn't the granularity of data there to know if we're living through turbulent times, quite times or average times.

Babs

Dumpster Diver
20th June 2017, 23:59
Well, we do have a record on ancient religious texts. Pole flips are recorded in the Earth's crust. It's not nearly as bad as you say. This (catastrophes) has happened before, I expect. Planet fleas (us) get killed off all the time, this could be our time. Besides, the gooberment guys are keeping a lot of facts from us, so I follow guys like Davidson who seems pretty able and he does have a validated prediction record.

In any regard, I'm down for catastrophe, I like fireworks!

Dumpster Diver
21st June 2017, 00:05
I just noticed I mixed up Camelot and Avalon in my post to Target. I do know the difference, but as I said in another thread here at TOT, the voices in my head are a little louder lately and attention to detail is somewhat worse. :crazy:

Apologies to all, especially TargeT.

TargeT
21st June 2017, 00:13
I just noticed I mixed up Camelot and Avalon in my post to Target. I do know the difference, but as I said in another thread here at TOT, the voices in my head are a little louder lately and attention to detail is somewhat worse. :crazy:

Apologies to all, especially TargeT.

None needed, there's enough drama at project avalon to rib me with I'm sure ;) haha just gotta make sure your pronouns are right!

Aianawa
21st June 2017, 03:05
Start here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVgUZv9ccyQ

at this location:

http://www.suspicious0bservers.org

Ben Davidson is a hard core sun scientist, data driven as well. As I mention elsewhere here in TOT, I personally found the sun heating up by personal observation as I "sun eat," stare at the sun to gather photons early in the day and late in the day. Over the last year or so, I noticed that the sun was not red anymore at sunrise and I had to go to sunglasses at lower sun angles. Also, sun is white at zenith, not yellow as it was just a few years ago. Ask anybody who work outside, gardeners, roofers, etc. they will all tell you the sun is hotter, with more UV, "burning" radiation.

Do you see the spider on vid pic, just like the Nasca plains figure , the protection and non protection of earth has been documented by the old ones, simply the lack of big earthquakes of late shows our dear friend the sun is connected with us each higher fractually imo.


Clif is wrong, as he has not thoroughly researched the area. He is also working with a mistaken model of the solar system and has shown such in one of his videos. He is stuck, as I was for a while, on the Maunder Minimum-like sunspot pause caused by 400 year alignments of the big planets in the solar system in relation to our sun.

Sun is getting hotter, the Deep State is chemtrailing the crap outta us to attenuate the hotter, brighter sun. We are heading to a pole-flip, most likely caused by a coming electrical discharge between the sun and the earth. This is why the heavy money folks are digging bunkers all over the US and the planet. We appear to be in for a "hell" of a ride over the next several years.

Incorrect imo, Clif is mostly correct answer wise but imo not how he got to the answer, the sun is the answer, the SOLution.

Barbarella
21st June 2017, 23:18
Well, we do have a record on ancient religious texts.

Right.... That's just as good as proper data then is it?

Dumpster Diver
21st June 2017, 23:50
Right.... That's just as good as proper data then is it?

Probably as good as bent, deleted, redacted, embellished, hidden gooberment data, so...yes.

Barbarella
21st June 2017, 23:56
Probably as good as bent, deleted, redacted, embellished, hidden gooberment data, so...yes.

Oh for goodness sake...

:fpalm:

Dumpster Diver
22nd June 2017, 00:26
Oh for goodness sake...

:fpalm:

...how about a tsk, tsk too? You can do better than just a face palm.:onthequite:

Barbarella
22nd June 2017, 00:51
...how about a tsk, tsk too? You can do better than just a face palm.:onthequite:

tsk tsk too!

TargeT
22nd June 2017, 15:05
Normally our solar winds are so strong on earth that we are partially shielded from cosmic rays, as the sun goes into an in-active period we get less of this protection and receive more cosmic rays.

This causes cloud formation, weather variations etc...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mINMRQbEHM

This lessening activity of our sun is strongly pointing to a lot of changes in our future. I don't think we have to fear a carrington event for now, but an "ice age" (hopefully mini) certainly seems plausible.

Dumpster Diver
22nd June 2017, 15:21
Normally our solar winds are so strong on earth that we are partially shielded from cosmic rays, as the sun goes into an in-active period we get less of this protection and receive more cosmic rays.

This causes cloud formation, weather variations etc...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mINMRQbEHM

This lessening activity of our sun is strongly pointing to a lot of changes in our future. I don't think we have to fear a carrington event for now, but an "ice age" (hopefully mini) certainly seems plausible.

If it's an ice age, I'm voting for a "Day after Tomorrow" type with the frozen hurricanes, tornados wiping out Hollywood, and the Gringos in their RVs jamming the roads into Mexico.

As Roland Emmerich is one of the illuminati's chief spokesmen thru the media, I say, why not?

TargeT
22nd June 2017, 19:49
It's an ice age, I'm voting for a "Day after Tomorrow" type with the frozen hurricanes, tornados wiping out Hollywood, and the Gringos in their RVs jamming the roads into Mexico.

As Roland Emmerich is one of the illuminati's chief spokesmen thru the media, I say, why not?

That's very possible, there have been several "flash frozen" mammoths found (http://creation.com/the-extinction-of-the-woolly-mammoth-was-it-a-quick-freeze), some with their legs sheared off as if they were hit so violently that thier legs were broken (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mammoths.html) but their stomach contents had not putrefied yet indicating a "day after tomorrow" like event with extremely rapid cooling (pole flip maybe?).

Dumpster Diver
22nd June 2017, 20:14
That's very possible, there have been several "flash frozen" mammoths found (http://creation.com/the-extinction-of-the-woolly-mammoth-was-it-a-quick-freeze), some with their legs sheared off as if they were hit so violently that thier legs were broken (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mammoths.html) but their stomach contents had not putrefied yet indicating a "day after tomorrow" like event with extremely rapid cooling (pole flip maybe?).

T, are you familiar with the Saturn Death Cult stuff? Some of these guys have gotten into the discharge idea and have numerous citations of historical events that look like earth-sun-saturn-venus & other planet discharges:

http://saturndeathcult.com

...I think it is where Death Metal came from as well :hilarious:

WantDisclosure
22nd June 2017, 21:15
T, are you familiar with the Saturn Death Cult stuff? Some of these guys have gotten into the discharge idea and have numerous citations of historical events that look like earth-sun-saturn-venus & other planet discharges:

http://saturndeathcult.com

An interview of the author Troy D McLachlan and another person, "Red Ice Radio - Troy McLachlan & Theodore Holden - Antique Solar System, Neanderthals & Modern Man":


Published on May 15, 2013

Authors Troy D. McLachlan and Theodore A. Holden will discuss their new book, Cosmos in Collision, which concentrates on events in the solar system before the arrival of Saturn and its accompanying planets, including Earth. Ted and Troy propose that the Jupiter moon Ganymede was once a liquid water world with an oxygen atmosphere fully capable of supporting life (including humans) as we know it. With Jupiter having once been in a much closer orbit to the Sun, Ganymede was warmed by both the sun and Jupiter, the latter being at that time a sub-brown dwarf similar to ancient Saturn. They have dubbed this era of our Solar System's history as the Antique Solar System epoch. They also propose a new theory for planet formation. This theory is based on the Herbig-Haro objects observed throughout the galaxy. They will also introduce the concept of a Paleolithic conflict between Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals in which Neanderthals are controversially depicted as predatory hominids according to Danny Vendramini's theories. Troy and Ted will contrast the superbly nocturnally adapted Neanderthal to Cro-Magnons during the Purple Dawn era and come to the inescapable conclusion that modern humans (Cro-Magnons) are not native to this planet. They believe they may have found a world within our solar system that once served as humanity's original home world (Ganymede).

http://www.bearfabrique.org/

http://saturndeathcult.com/

http://www.cosmosincollision.com/

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Aianawa
23rd June 2017, 00:08
Nice, your doing xlent research TargetT, imo sea levels will continue to rise exponentially due to weather changes and Sun changes, silly enough will get on the whole colder also.

TargeT
24th June 2017, 13:18
T, are you familiar with the Saturn Death Cult stuff?



The literal and physical journey the planet Saturn has taken from being a brown dwarf star and Earth’s original sun to its subsequent banishment to the outer reaches of our current solar system is the story of the known Ages of Man according to the mythological, esoteric and occult traditions


Hmm, does not seem plausible with what I currently comprehend of astrophysics.


Nice, your doing xlent research TargetT, imo sea levels will continue to rise exponentially due to weather changes and Sun changes, silly enough will get on the whole colder also.

I rather doubt sea levels will rise, if it is a mini-ice age (0r true ice age, which is a funny term, geologically speaking we are in an "ice age" now as the polar ice caps never melt) sea levels would most likely drop, as glaciers and other land-based ice masses grow.

I still go with this tactic: everything you hear on TV; the opposite is probably true. So when I hear that "the sea levels are rising" I look for the opposite, I find many submerged structures just off the coast in areas all over the world... does this indicate a sea level rise from many years ago, are we already at the "risen" sea levels that we are afraid of? We know that all of Canada and some of the US was covered in what is estimated to be a mile thick sheet of ice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurentide_Ice_Sheet) which had to have affected the sea levels as Eurasia was in a similar state.

I think the "sea levels rising" meme is a red herring.

Dreamtimer
24th June 2017, 14:26
There's sea levels and also land rising. As glaciers receded, land literally rose from under all the weight.

Based on the long-term graphs of glacial cycles we're in for a little bit more warming which will cause more melting and more land rising and then we're gonna go into an ice age.

As far as those of us alive now, it seems obvious to me that what we're in for is what we're already getting. More extreme weather of all sorts.

Recent millennia have been a calm period, climatically.

The One
24th June 2017, 17:44
What i dont get is this.In the UK they have these huge computers that so called predicted the weather and climate years in the future and the scientist base their reports on that.

We have been told that record number of ice bergs are melting but at the same time there is a record more being created.

Can we rely on computer models to predict future climate change mmmmmmmm.

TargeT
24th June 2017, 17:55
Can we rely on computer models to predict future climate change mmmmmmmm.

I'll listen to them when they get the weather right 2 days in advance... haha

Dumpster Diver
24th June 2017, 19:07
What i dont get is this.In the UK they have these huge computers that so called predicted the weather and climate years in the future and the scientist base their reports on that.

We have been told that record number of ice bergs are melting but at the same time there is a record more being created.

Can we rely on computer models to predict future climate change mmmmmmmm.

As a computer guy who has built extensive models for both the gooberment (military) and personal (sports forecasting) and doing fairly extensive data collection and weather forecasting I can tell you that anybody who says they can forecast years into the future has fallen in love with their modeling and lost sight of the limitations.

Read "The Signal and the Noise" by Nate Silver:

https://www.amazon.com/Signal-Noise-Many-Predictions-Fail/dp/B009HL6444

To get a clear eyed view on modeling.

Silver is probably one of the best political forecasters and has done extensive sports modeling as well.

Circling back to weather, the data set is extremely large, and has extensive missing data sets as yet uncollected.

So I'd put NO credence into any weather modeling for forecasting beyond a few days for short-run spot forecasting, or a few months for long range, large area forecasting. And then realize that the probabilities of being correct diminish rapidly the further out one forecasts.