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WantDisclosure
5th June 2017, 13:08
First of all, I guess by “disclosure,” I should say UFO disclosure first, and extraterrestrial presence second.

We need disclosure of both, but the term “UFO” is more well-known and accepted than “extraterrestrial” and “ET,” and not as scary; do you agree?

Anyway, I’m thinking that disclosure through the corporate world is not enough to convince the masses that the official story is false.

In order to make a significant difference, the government has to come clean. Otherwise, the power structure won’t change and things will just keep on keeping on. Advanced technologies will stay hidden. Wars and terrorism will keep happening just as they always have, in my opinion.

What do others think?

Paloma
5th June 2017, 13:25
First of all, I guess by “disclosure,” I should say UFO disclosure first, and extraterrestrial presence second.

We need disclosure of both, but the term “UFO” is more well-known and accepted than “extraterrestrial” and “ET,” and not as scary; do you agree?

Anyway, I’m thinking that disclosure through the corporate world is not enough to convince the masses that the official story is false.

In order to make a significant difference, the government has to come clean. Otherwise, the power structure won’t change and things will just keep on keeping on. Advanced technologies will stay hidden. Wars and terrorism will keep happening just as they always have, in my opinion.

What do others think?
In my view they won't.
The ensuing shyt storm will completely shut down the MSM, and there is too much invested there.
(Like millions of dollars from the CIA to bolster the Wall Street Journal, for starters.)

WantDisclosure
5th June 2017, 13:36
In my view they won't.
You're probably right.

I wish you were not, but we can't always get what we want.

giovonni
5th June 2017, 13:40
I personally see it as an evolving global consciousness phenomena ...

And i mostly agree with this recent assessment by Miriam Delicado ...


Will UFO Disclosure Happen Soon? When? By Who? 2017

20:29 minutes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqZJLsY-9_o

Aragorn
5th June 2017, 13:46
First of all, I guess by “disclosure,” I should say UFO disclosure first, and extraterrestrial presence second.

We need disclosure of both, but the term “UFO” is more well-known and accepted than “extraterrestrial” and “ET,” and not as scary; do you agree?

Anyway, I’m thinking that disclosure through the corporate world is not enough to convince the masses that the official story is false.

In order to make a significant difference, the government has to come clean. Otherwise, the power structure won’t change and things will just keep on keeping on. Advanced technologies will stay hidden. Wars and terrorism will keep happening just as they always have, in my opinion.

What do others think?


In my view they won't.
The ensuing shyt storm will completely shut down the MSM, and there is too much invested there.
(Like millions of dollars from the CIA to bolster the Wall Street Journal, for starters.)

In my opinion, keeping a lid on the advanced technologies — and especially zero-point energy — is exactly the reason why they're not going to come clean on this, and the reason behind that, in turn, is that if they were to do that, then the whole financial-economical system is going to come down.

Just think of it... Whatever industry you might be thinking of, they all have one thing in common: the banks own a stake in all of them. Take one big such industry — most notably the energy industry — down, and the banks will fall flat on their faces. And if the banks fall flat on their faces, then all other branches of industry will fall on their own faces with them.

Money is the one thing that controls the entire world, regardless of whether local regimes are capitalist or socialist. The global system is capitalist, and all local regimes have to accept this if they want to be able to trade — which they have to do, because no nation in the world is entirely self-sufficient.

And the system of fiat money, along with the indoctrination and even conditioning of the people to accept the belief system that one has to be reimbursed on the spot for everything, as well as the belief system that everything on this planet is either owned or can become someone's property, all make up for the largest part of the control system that allows a very small and self-proclaimed elite minority to rule the rest of the population of this planet — governments and laws form another leg of that same control system.

They're never going to risk losing that, because it is indeed only a minority which has this control over us. We have strength in numbers, so if they were to lose their control over us, then they're never ever going to get it back again. And they know that.

So it's not actually a matter of not wanting to admit that there would be intelligent non-terrestrial life out there — and in our atmosphere, and on and in our planet — but rather a matter of keeping humanity enslaved. That's the real issue. :hmm:

Paloma
5th June 2017, 14:03
Spot on, Aragorn. Yet banks, military, governments, and all those other visible institutions like the ones who have hijacked people's faith in a higher power, are only one half of the orange.
The other half other being invisible dimensions, which UFOs are only a small part of. The fact that they are becoming more visible recently is a sign that the powers of the world have grown exponentially in the last century, and people's consciousness growth is manifesting the balance point, even visually, to keep the world elite in check.

WantDisclosure
5th June 2017, 14:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqZJLsY-9_o
Thank you for posting that video.

I like the format of a contactee speaking alone from the heart.

I would be very interested in more videos from other contactees speaking for themselves where there is no chance of someone putting words in their mouth or not asking relevant questions.

I think it's very valuable to be able to see and hear our contactees speaking freely for themselves.

PurpleLama
5th June 2017, 15:45
Too much is invested in controlling people, whether it's controlling a narrative or keeping the lid on ET or free energy, anything that would cause them to lose control will be fought and fought well. Any individual is merely expendable in the face of it.

Fred Steeves
5th June 2017, 15:46
Laurence Rockefeller birthed the disclosure baby back in '93, and Steven Greer hit center stage in the very next breath that same year. Make what you will of that, but I consider waiting for official disclosure a total waste of time (at best), especially knowing the origin of this particular alt media meme.

As a matter of fact, IMO waiting for official disclosure is every bit as ridiculous as waiting for Jesus to return from the clouds ROFL...

WantDisclosure
5th June 2017, 16:02
Laurence Rockefeller birthed the disclosure baby back in '93, and Steven Greer hit center stage in the very next breath that same year.
Steven Greer's Disclosure Project press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC was in 2001, a few months before 9/11.

In what way did Greer come onto center stage in 1993?

Maggie
5th June 2017, 16:21
Spot on, Aragorn. Yet banks, military, governments, and all those other visible institutions like the ones who have hijacked people's faith in a higher power, are only one half of the orange.
The other half other being invisible dimensions, which UFOs are only a small part of. The fact that they are becoming more visible recently is a sign that the powers of the world have grown exponentially in the last century, and people's consciousness growth is manifesting the balance point, even visually, to keep the world elite in check.

In the late 20th century, some researchers were into "hardware" and the physicality of phenomenon and "where" in "space" did the visitors originate?. Then others were involved in the psychological investigation of para "normal" experience. John Mack was one who noticed patterns in phenomenon and that the experiences were deeply significant and that SOMETHING was happening. Jacques Vallee is remembered by me as the major person to indicate that we could reframe Extra as Ultra terrestrial and that these phenomenon may be in and out of dimensional "contact".

The recent personalities in the investigative community seem stalled out IMO. Maybe it is a general idea that something "governmental" knows all about what is occurring and is hiding the "super hardware" and keeping a lid on "visitors"?

In the mean time, there seem to have been waves of "phenomenon" and it does NOT escape my attention that the names may "change" but the association in our beliefs to the manifestation look similar to the same experiences of ancient reportage. We may say "ET visitor" (friendly and not) but some other Intrusions seem to be realms of Djinn or fairies or demons or "gods" or angels (depending on the meetings meanings). That is to say nothing of "channeled" info that seems to insert itself from wherever It arises? Not KNOWN.

I think there are deliberate attempts to suppress inventions. The "government" can manage to do that. There can be deliberate shaping of "meaning" of our own anomalous experience. Society (religion and social systems) can easily guide our "understanding".


Our context shapes reality and this will be denied until the end of the world. IF it was suddenly revealed UNEQUIVOCALLY that everything we believe is true paradoxically BE CAUSE WE each invested confidence and believed true was OUR IMAGINATION> it would destroy the basis of consensus reality. It will not happen because it cannot happen.

The unsettling of experiencers is based on the strange unexplained and ALSO just learning that there is so much MORE than was ever believable. From wisdom teachings it looks like streams of sentient consciousness ebb and flow into the "dimensional frequency" of OUR PARTICULAR dimensional awareness....???? We will each see change be cause WE change.

This is just to be expected. After all IF there is a common denominator and a collective agreement to maintain or "the world" does disappear, what are the implications? Seems logical we can only agree to little bits of change so we can maintain a seeming normalcy? What we call insane is also losing touch with the common agreement.

I think there is a sensible reason the recall and "images" are muddy and blurry? The REVELATION of our own responsibility surfaces whenever there are two witnesses who disagree on the nature of "occurrences". Eventually, I think "humanity" will build the new earth where collective willingness to allow "UNcommon experience" acknowledges individual differences. I grok 'new earth" as oUR organizing of insistence that we use "hard ware" for the collective "well being". The intrapsychic and the paranormal will be "interesting" but "to each his/her own" and pass the butter.

We NEED new energy, food production methods, clothing, shelter and "health related" systems. These transcend everything else we could believe. I am stymied about how low humanity's expectations for itself can be on these issues....

In the meantime, (question) can there be a "one true" manifestation of ULTRA dimensions to disclose? In a reality dependent on the observer based collective agreement, can we agree to disagree and have that satisfy "disclosure"?

Wind
5th June 2017, 16:49
It doesn't have to and it never will. :)

The ET forces working for the light will show up when the time is right and the people on this planet are enlightened enough, I don't see that happening in the very near future seeing how low level human consciouness collectively is at the moment, but I sure hope I am wrong. I certainly don't believe in any human ET "representatives" out there. 99,9 % are hopium dealers.

WantDisclosure
5th June 2017, 17:08
The ET forces working for the light will show up when the time is right and the people on this planet are enlightened enough . . .
How will we identify an ET force?

That is, how can we verify?

Dreamtimer
5th June 2017, 17:13
Hmmm. If the government discloses then I would have to ask why. It won't simply be to inform. The banks will be poised to make money if it happens.

It seems like the secret breakaway organizations are still the most likely scenario. They have and keep the tech but don't reveal it and the power entities have their hand in the gold pot. They all make money behind the scenes.

And we still toil away wondering why our economy isn't falling apart when it should be due to all the debt, etc.

But disclosure coming from outside sources could be a possibility. It's hard to say how or when since there are too many unknowns.

My guess is that when it's close it will become an inexorable force which just happens in multiple places and can't be stopped. Like a discovery whose time is right. There are many individuals and even communities for whom disclosure has already happened. The rest of the world needs to catch up.

Wind
5th June 2017, 17:20
How will we identify an ET force?

That is, how can we verify?

That's a very good question.

Not sure if I have the answer.

WantDisclosure
5th June 2017, 17:40
But disclosure coming from outside sources could be a possibility. It's hard to say how or when since there are too many unknowns.
As long as it happens in such a way that my older sister, who is very mainstream, acknowledges that it has happened, meaning I can speak to my family about disclosure-related topics without getting ridiculed, I'll be happy!

Jengelen
5th June 2017, 17:42
First of all, I guess by “disclosure,” I should say UFO disclosure first, and extraterrestrial presence second.

We need disclosure of both, but the term “UFO” is more well-known and accepted than “extraterrestrial” and “ET,” and not as scary; do you agree?

Anyway, I’m thinking that disclosure through the corporate world is not enough to convince the masses that the official story is false.

In order to make a significant difference, the government has to come clean. Otherwise, the power structure won’t change and things will just keep on keeping on. Advanced technologies will stay hidden. Wars and terrorism will keep happening just as they always have, in my opinion.

What do others think?

Agreed however, I see it like the mob and the federal government are one and the same entity. So asking for disclosure when you realize it's the mob cartel of thugs kinda wakes you up to realize if it is them you ask for something they are simply not going to reveal anything but maybe a smile. If Hillary's Bio-daddy was Goldman as they say then it's the Goldman that took over the Chicago mob with Daly after Capone was jailed for tax evading. When Bill Clinton got caught in that rape in Oxford they swung a deal knowing he was set to be a president. Knowing he was a perv. anyway they probably set him up to blackmail him but either way it happened. He was caught and the Whip, a senior group of monarchs very wise and powerful told him they'd get him off on two conditions!
One: He had to promise future favors when he was president
Two: He had to marry Hillary Clinton!

This marriage tied the federal government and mob together nice and official like if not then for the future and they got those favors and then some.

Dreamtimer
5th June 2017, 17:48
Disclosure? Don't take it personal. It's just business.:)

That can explain a lot of silencing. No big deal for the mob. Trail of bodies? Par for the course.

I think we'll need to be relying on ourselves and our counterparts from beyond.

modwiz
5th June 2017, 17:51
As long as it happens in such a way that my older sister, who is very mainstream, acknowledges that it has happened, meaning I can speak to my family about disclosure-related topics without getting ridiculed, I'll be happy!

I know what you say here is driving many to want disclosure.

modwiz
5th June 2017, 18:55
Removing all the bogus restrictions on Nature, such as allowing hemp to be grown anywhere for the abundance it would provide, would serve humanity far more than ET disclosure for unbelieving family members. Perhaps they, like me, do not see what the great pay off would be and simply consider it of little utility to the problems we face now. It would also interrupt humanity rediscovering its true greatness.

WantDisclosure
5th June 2017, 19:07
Perhaps they, like me, do not see what the great pay off would be and simply consider it of little utility to the problems we face now.
My sister has always been much more practical than I.

WantDisclosure
5th June 2017, 19:13
I think we'll need to be relying on ourselves and our counterparts from beyond.
A very good point.

I value self-reliance and asking for help when needed, as in "seek, and ye shall find." :)

modwiz
5th June 2017, 19:37
The Survivors of Atlantis ( not the series title) series here on TOT discloses something crucially important to understanding our greatness. Then we could teach ET a thing or two. They seem kinda bored with their worlds. The music and art of our recent past is better than traveling thorough space, IMO.:ttr: Wonder if they have sweet and juicy peaches? Mmmmm, yum.

https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/7442-When-the-Atlantis-survivors-wake-up

Maggie
5th June 2017, 20:34
Removing all the bogus restrictions on Nature, such as allowing hemp to be grown anywhere for the abundance it would provide, would serve humanity far more than ET disclosure for unbelieving family members. Perhaps they, like me, do not see what the great pay off would be and simply consider it of little utility to the problems we face now. It would also interrupt humanity rediscovering its true greatness.

Hemp is only ONE ally we have royally dissed.
You are speaking to what I consider the BE ALL and END ALL of "disclosure', we live on a sentient planet in the middle of a conscious Universe and we agree to believe we are all alone and in danger of starving ... Just because we ARE restricting nature, we have suffered our loss of abundance. We could have so many incredible ways to spend the day and then party in to the night and still have enough sleep.

IMO some friendly "Visi-ons" and "visi-tors" are just awaiting our attention?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-W77g1luwaxU/TjD-5uWs67I/AAAAAAAAGew/YkV2ZNh8Edw/s1600/Alien%2BSmoking%2BWeed.jpg

Fred Steeves
5th June 2017, 21:45
Laurence Rockefeller birthed the disclosure baby back in '93, and Steven Greer hit center stage in the very next breath that same year.


Steven Greer's Disclosure Project press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC was in 2001, a few months before 9/11.

In what way did Greer come onto center stage in 1993?

I was hoping you might take my not so subtle hints from above post, and simply type the following magical words I plainly laid out there into a Google search, before turning right around and challenging my assertion with a question you could have easily solved for yourself: "laurence rockefeller 1993 steven greer".

You may have just started stumbling across results such as the following example, little tidbits that take some time and effort to dig up from scratch in the first place:
http://siriusdisclosure.com/cseti-papers/press-release-feb-1998/

WantDisclosure
5th June 2017, 22:04
I was hoping you might take my not so subtle hints from above post, and simply type the following magical words I plainly laid out there into a Google search, before turning right around and challenging my assertion with a question you could have easily solved for yourself:
The only way to find out what you meant, however, by "center stage," was to ask.

Dreamtimer
15th July 2017, 22:33
Ahhh....

I found the thread I can put this on. It's relevant to even the last couple posts.

I was confused at first because Tom Delonge has been talking about how the key to the UFO phenomenon is consciousness. So does Grant Cameron.

But Grant Cameron is warning against Tom Delonge. He sees Tom as being one of the 'messiahs'.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0zGr7vjz24

And the wonderful title of his newest book is Managing Magic.

enjoy being
15th July 2017, 23:42
Very awesome interview there Dreamtimer. It lines up with much of my own thoughts and experiences.

Just a side note, he mentions anecdotally the women's right to vote (for the USA) I presume came in the 1920s. Just like to add that New Zealand was the first country to do so and that came in 1893.

Dreamtimer
16th July 2017, 00:28
I think I'm starting to understand this consciousness thing. I need to go back and listen to that other video about the Dreamtime. The guy in that one spoke of a man who could be in one place and then in another. He travelled 'through the Dreamtime'. In this one, Grant talks about doing just that sort of thing. The travel throughout galaxies and universes is possible once the knowledge of the connection of everything is understood.

Uh oh. Better start meditating.

Anastasia
16th July 2017, 00:31
The only disclosure I will accept is that of my own. Imagine we all suddenly awaken like from a dream, we know who and what we are, remember our entire history and purpose here, and know and remember all other beings in this Universe. I know people who have had experiences beyond the 5 senses and have seen ships in our skies. So I know disclosure is waiting to happen within me.

enjoy being
16th July 2017, 00:31
I am off down to.. my mountain for a few weeks, I tried to save myself the 4.5hour drive before, to no avail.

I agree 100% Anastasia.

Dreamtimer
16th July 2017, 00:39
The only disclosure I will accept is that of my own. Imagine we all suddenly awaken like from a dream, we know who and what we are, remember our entire history and purpose here, and know and remember all other beings in this Universe. I know people who have had experiences beyond the 5 senses and have seen ships in our skies. So I know disclosure is waiting to happen within me.

Gotta say, you're totally on the right track. In fact, he talks about the experience after life where you meet up with your loved ones and guide and it is you who decides whether you did all that you planned and where you go next.

The Dreamtime is a 'higher vibration' place which is why you can have experiences with other beings there, because it's difficult for many of them to manifest in our physical vibration.

For those who don't know, he has come to his conclusions based on a lot of years of research and interviews with experiencers.

Dumpster Diver
16th July 2017, 03:14
Disclosure? I'd settle for a few perp walks by bankers for the financial mess they created...oh, and getting W and Darth Cheney up on charges for 9/11 and the millions? they killed in the resulting wars.

...baby steps...

enjoy being
16th July 2017, 04:03
Agree DD, actually Dreamtimers video has the fellow saying, who cares about disclosure now, we have eternity.

More importantly as you say...
And to me, there are a few things that only need to be disclosed and a lot of other things would begin to unravel quite quickly because many of the public are actually fence sitters and haven't been wearing ear muffs all these years, they are just not willing to commit until they have what they are used to as being called proof. Which I guess involves normal news sources.
And I would choose something like the blackmail ring and methods used to control world 'leaders'. This would open many questions on what was being manipulated and hidden. Such an amnesty on the fears of people being blackmailed would be a good start.
It is these people wishing self preservation, and fearing their 'dark secrets' be let out, that has allowed so much of this stuff to exist in secrecy.

Dreamtimer
16th July 2017, 11:29
I'll be in the front row with you, DKD. I would love to see them cower before their maker.

I think this one needs to go up too. He discusses a lot of currently relevant stuff.

For instance, at 15 min. he speaks of nine different programs being planned/run by the govt to 'disclose'. It seems they're about controlling the narrative, rather than actually fessing up about the consciousness thing and all it's implications. I haven't listened to the whole presentation yet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYB1Gv8BhhA

The person he focuses on, on of the 'magicians' is Ron Pandolfi (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11047-BIGELOW-ET?p=841970801&viewfull=1#post841970801). He's been mentioned (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/8980-Confused-About-Who-To-Believe-In-The-Alternative-Media?p=841947800&viewfull=1#post841947800) briefly on this forum.

Dreamtimer
16th July 2017, 11:40
Aianawa, you may be interested in the talk of portals at 50 min.

Mr. Pandolfi has apparently gone through them and back.

The magicians, when they would talk to each other, would refer to each other as a kind of bird. One was an owl, one a heron, etc.

He explains why he's certain that the President knows, and the Intelligence Committees know. He says that all security is run by Executive Order. There is no 'law' governing secrecy.

Grant writes (http://www.theeventchronicle.com/galactic/grant-cameron-governments-ufo-disclosure-plan/#),

My conclusion is there is no plan to fully disclose, no matter how loud the demands inside the UFO community are. The plan is to continue to drop stories till people are so acclimatized that when full disclosure does happen by those in power, it will surprise no one.

Dreamtimer
16th July 2017, 13:05
I've been reading comments here and there (beyond this forum) about this man's work and I'm pretty darn disappointed. People either aren't really paying attention or they can't get past their biases.

Many go on about how he thinks all ETs are good. That's not what he says. He says it's about consciousness. Anyone who talks about an experience of true unity will tell you that they saw everyone and everything connected. This state often brings with it a feeling of understanding and love for all.

At the heart of it, he says that there is only light. Darkness is not a thing in and of itself, only a result of being far from the light.

He also addresses the fear/love thing. He says that fear is simply the absence of love. Once love is embraced, fear dissipates.

He also is not saying governments are good. He says that the think tanks all concluded that a sudden disclosure would be disastrous and that it would have to be slow. They came up with a long term plan.

He also says that governments want to control this for their own benefit and to stay in power so he's not painting a simple benevolent picture.

enjoy being
16th July 2017, 14:04
I'm going to have a look at this closely DT, I can't just now though but in the next few days I will :)

Elen
16th July 2017, 14:05
Ahhh....

I found the thread I can put this on. It's relevant to even the last couple posts.

I was confused at first because Tom Delonge has been talking about how the key to the UFO phenomenon is consciousness. So does Grant Cameron.

But Grant Cameron is warning against Tom Delonge. He sees Tom as being one of the 'messiahs'.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0zGr7vjz24

And the wonderful title of his newest book is Managing Magic.

This was really interesting, Dreamtimer...he had a very good take on this strange subject.

Paloma
16th July 2017, 17:31
This was really interesting, Dreamtimer...he had a very good take on this strange subject.

Coming from this angle, the consciousness angle, it is easy to jump to the conclusion that no matter who comes forward with a story, be it myth, be it factual, whether told by Steven Greer, or Corey Goode, or Bob Dean, it's all good.
Seen from this perspective, it all serves that one purpose, which is to stimulate dialogue and bring the phenomenom out to the masses.
The decision whether to allow division and conflict, or rise above the duality aspect of life, and move towards a more reconciled attitude, is then up to each individual.
Having experienced the kind of downloads he is talking about, I can testify that a higher state of consciousness is pretty desirable and I would do anything to not slip back down into duality thinking.
But how does one do that? I have to pretend there are no such plots as AI, mind control, or pedogate?

Dreamtimer
16th July 2017, 17:39
That's gotta be a personal choice. This 'system' will certainly be continuing for a long while. So while you're here, do something. Make a difference. Make as much as you can. And then when it's time to 'move on' you decide where.

I remind myself periodically that I can't always know how I've had a good, or even bad, affect on things. But I also don't always need to know.

:meditating:

Elen
16th July 2017, 18:22
Coming from this angle, the consciousness angle, it is easy to jump to the conclusion that no matter who comes forward with a story, be it myth, be it factual, whether told by Steven Greer, or Corey Goode, or Bob Dean, it's all good.
Seen from this perspective, it all serves that one purpose, which is to stimulate dialogue and bring the phenomenom out to the masses.
The decision whether to allow division and conflict, or rise above the duality aspect of life, and move towards a more reconciled attitude, is then up to each individual.
Having experienced the kind of downloads he is talking about, I can testify that a higher state of consciousness is pretty desirable and I would do anything to not slip back down into duality thinking.
But how does one do that? I have to pretend there are no such plots as AI, mind control, or pedogate?

You know what...it's a good thing that you haven't "made up your mind" about everything, because we never know what's around the corner. ;)

Dumpster Diver
16th July 2017, 20:53
Agree DD, actually Dreamtimers video has the fellow saying, who cares about disclosure now, we have eternity.

More importantly as you say...
And to me, there are a few things that only need to be disclosed and a lot of other things would begin to unravel quite quickly because many of the public are actually fence sitters and haven't been wearing ear muffs all these years, they are just not willing to commit until they have what they are used to as being called proof. Which I guess involves normal news sources.
And I would choose something like the blackmail ring and methods used to control world 'leaders'. This would open many questions on what was being manipulated and hidden. Such an amnesty on the fears of people being blackmailed would be a good start.
It is these people wishing self preservation, and fearing their 'dark secrets' be let out, that has allowed so much of this stuff to exist in secrecy.

I do not think the muggles (normals) are capable of throwing off the conditioning with which the system has brainwashed them all. As mentioned elsewhere here at TOT, the alt-world seems to be littered with Aspies, especially us males, who seem to have not been susceptible to the programming. I think the muggles would have to be totally in-their-face confronted with alt-world stuff (for example: UFO landings on front lawn as well as being broadcast on TV) otherwise they cannot shake the programming.

I say this as my dear wife thinks I'm at least partially a crazed wing-nut conspiracy freak (where none existed before Oct 2013, go figure) and she was the one who exhibited the future foreshadowing and telepathic capabilities. She has several buddies who are empathic, psychic, etc. as well. She exists as a "normal" as she really is not on the spectrum in spite of such talents.

DNA
16th July 2017, 21:08
Disclosure? I'd settle for a few perp walks by bankers for the financial mess they created...oh, and getting W and Darth Cheney up on charges for 9/11 and the millions? they killed in the resulting wars.

...baby steps...

I'm of the opinion that Dubya and Darth were taking their orders from David Rockefeller as were the intelligence agencies/deep-state.
I'm wondering Double D if you agree and or if you have an opinion on who has replaced David Rockefeller?

I would absolutely love to hear your take on Sue Arrigo.
She has written a book called "secrets of the CIA Global Sex Industry" by Dr. Sue Arrigo.
I've not read the book it is difficult to find and out of print. https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2015/03/25/secrets-of-the-cias-global-sex-slave-industry-by-dr-sue-arrigo-june-15-2007/
In the book Sue claimed that she was told by Cheney and Bush senior that if she continued to try and expose what was going on she would find herself dead or worse in an asylum where she would be drugged and tortured for the rest of her life.
Her sister came out to discredit her and said she has been certified as "crazy", and since no one has seen or heard from her since she wrote the book most think the "crazy" accusation made by her sister, (a high ranking academic CIA operative herself) means that Sue was probably indeed thrown into an asylum.
What Sue states is so horrible that one does not want to think it possible, but it is all said with simplicity, with little diarrhea of the pen, and it sounds like it is the truth.
HERVE from Avalon did a good job of compiling PDF entries from her book here (http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/)and each excerpt is short enough.

Amanda
17th July 2017, 02:36
Have read through all the comments but not viewed the video links. Disclosure is a made up word (as all words are) and it is a control mechanism - nothing more and nothing less. Intergalactic Visitors and Intergalactic Craft will make their presence known to those who are open to the Experience.

If an Intergalactic Craft landed on a persons front lawn - some would just say it's a new kind of fire truck and keep on going about their day. Those are not my words they are from my friend, Mary Rodwell. ACERN is the name of her site. A leading researcher and very much respected in many circles of many parts of our global society.

Ask any Contactee or Experiencer whether 'disclosure' will eventuate or whether the word even has any meaning for them??? The control of all beam ray technology and that includes television, radio, newspapers/broadsheets and all mainstream communications. Include smart phones (I am probably one of the few people on planet Earth who don't own one as I cannot afford to make the purchase) and all hand held technology and even non hand held technology such as bluetooth in motor vehicles and GPS. In essence - when all technology is controlled then so too is the information that emanates. Yes/No/Maybe????

The word disclosure used to have some semblance of meaning many years ago - for me. Now it is one of many words that no longer has any impact on me at all. I have my own Experiences and I have drawings from Children/Students and many many many first hand accounts of what some Experiencers have seen and felt. I have photographic evidence that no one can explain - if I could upload from my computer I would share some examples here - but - alas I am limited.

Any form of communication from any of the powers that be, will never come in the form of complete and utter transparent facts. It is never going to happen in the manner in which People hope. The fact that the catholic church owns one of the largest telescopes on the planet and have a highly educated jesuit priest manning it - purely to document all comings and goings as it were - and - that is not news!!!???? So much is hidden - In Plain Sight.

Please know that I am extending my thanks to all who have posted here - I sometimes prefer not to press the Thanks button - in an effort to keep my brain functioning as it truly should and not enter into a dimension where I push a button purely because it is there. Thank You - Everyone for all the insightful comments here. I would like to think my comments are interesting to even one person. I shall continue to read and participate in this thread. I think topics such as the one being discussed here are invaluable to all who care to walk into the arena of learning and knowledge.

Much Respect & Much Peace - Amanda

WantDisclosure
17th July 2017, 14:16
In essence - when all technology is controlled then so too is the information that emanates. Yes/No/Maybe????
I think you’re right. But a counterbalance to that, maybe, is getting information from insiders/whistleblowers through videos of presentations and interviews that are posted and available free to the public worldwide on YouTube. There is some censorship on YouTube, but it’s still an almost free-press. I think it behooves all of us to find YouTuber investigators we trust, support them financially as much as we’re able, and watch every interview they post. Join YouTube so that you can post comments, and encourage others to take seriously the testimony of these insiders/whistleblowers through supportive comments.

I think disclosure is important because at present we’re living in a world of lies, and that’s never healthy. The expression “The truth will set you free” is true and it’s what we need the most.


I have my own Experiences and I have drawings from Children/Students and many many many first hand accounts of what some Experiencers have seen and felt. I have photographic evidence that no one can explain - if I could upload from my computer I would share some examples here - but - alas I am limited.
I am interested in the information you have to share. If you can’t upload photographic evidence, I’d be interested in your own word pictures of what they show. It’s your testimony, which I value.


I have photographic evidence that no one can explain - if I could upload from my computer I would share some examples here - but - alas I am limited.
Do you have the ability to watch YouTube videos?

Jengelen
17th July 2017, 15:44
This was really interesting, Dreamtimer...he had a very good take on this strange subject.

I found this video to be quite helpful. It describes my own experiences along with a host of other strange and unusual occurrences happening to many others across the board. Normally I have trouble watching these type of interviews where one posts a video interviewing himself because I doubt anyone else was there asking questions but he covered the topic better than others I've watched and I don't know about you guys but I'm buying that book when it comes out in Aug.

Amanda
18th July 2017, 01:24
Keep Trying et al - I have access to youtube. I have been reliably informed that here in Australia our internet access is one of the most censored. I have not been able to access links at certain times - not at all due to that particular link being censored.

As a Child Abuse Whistleblower I have had my life destroyed on every level so the action of supporting others is not always an option for me. I would like to share this snippet of fact. Due to my having stayed the distance - as a Child Abuse Whistleblower (technically my journey commenced in 2011) I have made connections to a great many people - some direct connections and other connections via people who have first hand experience and information.

Some of those people are quite well known on the worldwideweb but I have learned that not all are - shall we say - representing themselves or their subject matter honestly. I no longer surf the net as it were. I have two long running threads that are protected and not shilled/trolled/disinformed. One of those threads I did not even start - someone on my behalf did that and that is why I state clearly: Disclosure will never come directly from the powers that be. Utilise your instincts and intuition - think deeply and critically and question all you read. Even me - question me if you must.

As for my photographic evidence - this is truly a mystery. I will do my best with words. On my pillowcase and bedsheets (not so much the bedsheets) - was a purple pattern. I would suggest similar to a circuitboard but a friend and researcher stated more like an astrological appearance. There are gaps - as one friend and researcher stated - while I watched her transfer the photographs to her computer and experiment with colour filters - she was looking for what was not there, any spaces that were clear.

The 'patterns' were purple in colour. I have a habit of putting two pillowcases on the pillows and the 'purple' substance remained only in the top pillowcase - as if trapped. It did not seep through to the second pillowcase nor the pillow. The first time it happened - I got out of bed and got on with my morning routine and did not notice anything until I returned to the bedroom to make the bed. I photographed all I could and was due to strip the bed anyway - so into the laundry basket went all the bed linen. A couple of days later I decided to do some washing. I thought I will see what the 'purple patterns' are doing - they were gone. I had intended to photograph them again to see whether there was any change. Gone - nothing.

Okay - I shared the photographs with friends who are science based in their training. One ran the photographs through a program and all it detected was the manner in which the bed linen was folded. Not even close - I never cover my head when I sleep and the 'purple patterns' were only on the top pillowcase and a little on the sheets and when I say a little on the sheets that is exactly what I mean. I have fielded questions about my washing machine and washing detergent and many other questions. This is truly incredible and so very thought provoking.

Just to be clear - this was not an isolated incident. The same event happened at the other end of my home when I fell asleep on the lounge. It happened one other time in my bed. Separate days in separate locations. Same thing on the lounge - two pillowcases and the 'purple patterns' did not seep through to the next layer of fabric. Just one of many.

Much Respect & Much Peace - Amanda

WantDisclosure
18th July 2017, 14:27
Those are not my words they are from my friend, Mary Rodwell. ACERN is the name of her site.
Mary is the author of the book The New Human.

I am very interested in her work.

The following is from the website Higher Journeys:


Is there a new kind of human gracing our planet right now? And if so, who are they, why are they here, and what do they know about the existing agendas to monitor, mimic, and potentially misuse their undeniable intellectual and metaphysical abilities? In this, my fourth interview with the extraordinary Mary Rodwell, a researcher into the phenomenon of this new human, we sat down while on-location in Los Angeles to discuss the multi-dimensions these individuals demonstrate. Whether it’s extreme telepathic and telekinetic abilities, self healing capacity, or even the ability to make themselves physically invisible to others, these are just some of what Mary has documented in her broad spectrum of research. And as far as she is concerned, THIS is what we all can aspire to while living on this planet. But first we must learn listen to these individuals, to understand their unique perspectives, and then take that leap into becoming THE NEW HUMAN.

Higher Journeys (http://www.higherjourneys.com/mary-rodwell-new-human/http://)

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Amanda
19th July 2017, 00:32
Keep Trying et al - Thanks for the link. I have not spoken to Mary for awhile - she is a busy woman. I can tell you this (without watching the video) her first book has been purchased by many medical professionals. Psychiatrists, psychologists and counsellors have purchased her first book and have attended 'appointments' with her. Mary told me in person that one psychiatrist in a major Australian city purchased three copies - to give to three particular patients. He did this after speaking with Mary and learning of her work.

The work of Mary Rodwell is explicit and it does goes a long way towards explaining what is happening. I see it with Children/Students and I have had private conversations with Mary about a number of Experiences I have had disclosed to me via Children/Students. I see what is happening and I can only support Mary and suggest to People that they visit her site or read her books. I saw a draft Mary sent me of a particular chapter of her second book but I have as yet to see or purchase her second book.

Much Respect & Much Peace - Amanda

WantDisclosure
19th July 2017, 13:10
I can tell you this (without watching the video) her first book has been purchased by many medical professionals. Psychiatrists, psychologists and counsellors have purchased her first book and have attended 'appointments' with her. Mary told me in person that one psychiatrist in a major Australian city purchased three copies - to give to three particular patients. He did this after speaking with Mary and learning of her work.
By any chance are you familiar with the book The Dual Soul Connection: The Alien Agenda for Human Advancement by Suzy Hansen with Dr. Rudy Schild, published in 2014?

Dumpster Diver
19th July 2017, 22:29
I'm of the opinion that Dubya and Darth were taking their orders from David Rockefeller as were the intelligence agencies/deep-state.
I'm wondering Double D if you agree and or if you have an opinion on who has replaced David Rockefeller?

I would absolutely love to hear your take on Sue Arrigo.
She has written a book called "secrets of the CIA Global Sex Industry" by Dr. Sue Arrigo.
I've not read the book it is difficult to find and out of print. https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2015/03/25/secrets-of-the-cias-global-sex-slave-industry-by-dr-sue-arrigo-june-15-2007/
In the book Sue claimed that she was told by Cheney and Bush senior that if she continued to try and expose what was going on she would find herself dead or worse in an asylum where she would be drugged and tortured for the rest of her life.
Her sister came out to discredit her and said she has been certified as "crazy", and since no one has seen or heard from her since she wrote the book most think the "crazy" accusation made by her sister, (a high ranking academic CIA operative herself) means that Sue was probably indeed thrown into an asylum.
What Sue states is so horrible that one does not want to think it possible, but it is all said with simplicity, with little diarrhea of the pen, and it sounds like it is the truth.
HERVE from Avalon did a good job of compiling PDF entries from her book here (http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/)and each excerpt is short enough.

I've no doubt that what Dr. Sue Arrigo claims is most likely true. I've also no doubt that she has since been negated. It fits the pattern of the Deep State. Plus, it sends a message to the rest of us.

In my UFO investigations, all of the military guys I talked to were told to not say anything because "it would be bad for their careers." In the dog-eat-dog atmosphere of military advancement, why would "they" care?

Amanda
20th July 2017, 01:32
Keep Trying et al - I am not familiar with the book title you have mentioned but I will put it on my wish list. I trust members here, with regard to resources and I tend to buy items that are helpful - when I can afford to purchase. So the book you have mentioned shall be looked at in due course. Soooooo much to learn everyday and only so much I can do each day.

Dumpster Diver et al - I tend to agree with your comments. I always ponder why some very public People can remain very much public and others cannot/do not remain. It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery and shrouded with the aroma of an enigma. I travel very carefully with regard to my own Child Abuse Whistleblower journey. The more I accomplish behind the scenes - the closer to the 'core' I get and that is why I take one very carefully thought out step at a time now. My Underground following have my back and that helps. I am not sure that People like Dr Arrigo had a strategy in place - for when things go awry - as it were.

I have a strategy and even though I am not so Public - I have not wanted publicity and if I ever publish a complete account of my journey it will be for free. Once a person publishes, as an example, a book and garners attention and money - that may be considered a threat to some People. Dr Arrigo is not the first person to go missing. Psychiatric care is a well known path that is followed when someone is too good at what they are doing.

As a moot point - not trying to derail the thread but the psychiatric 'thing' was tried on me and it failed. I now have a lengthy list of psychiatrists, including a forensic psychiatrist who all assessed me as not mentally ill. Not my finest moments but I have even had a couple of complete emotional based meltdowns and even then - the psychiatrists assessed me as exhausted and not mentally ill. So - as we Aussies might say: 'How's them apples?'

Back to the thread - I am intrigued by the topic of this thread. I will be very pleased to see it keep moving and to keep reading contributions by all. Thank You.

Much Respect & Much Peace - Amanda

WantDisclosure
20th July 2017, 02:06
Keep Trying et al - I am not familiar with the book title you have mentioned but I will put it on my wish list. I trust members here, with regard to resources and I tend to buy items that are helpful - when I can afford to purchase. So the book you have mentioned shall be looked at in due course. Soooooo much to learn everyday and only so much I can do each day.
Actually, I'm apprehensive about the book.

I read it with great fascination, but later, after I thought about it more, I worried that Suzy Hansen was mind-controlled into her positive feelings by beings with advanced psychic abilities.

The book is an account of Suzy’s lifetime, and ongoing, contact with what she feels are benevolent Greys, contact which also involves her two sons, and the merging of souls to form a dual soul, in order to assist humanity to evolve in a positive way, she believes.

Dr. Rudy Schild’s part in the book is to comment on the science involved with the advanced technology revealed in the book.

I just don't know.

The book is fascinating but disturbing at the same time.

Amanda
22nd July 2017, 00:16
Keep Trying et al - Thanks for the evaluation on the mentioned book. The duality of soul is connected to an ancient legend, Greek I think. It was a story about how Humans were perfect and then something happened and the Gods were angry or whatever - and - the main character in the legend becomes two. From that day onwards every Human was destined to be on a search to find their soulmate. Suzy Hansen may have 'borrowed' information from that ancient legend?

Anyone telling others how to live and in particular how to think - is always a gamble. When a person is making money from selling an idea - we have to be very discerning - don't we?? Thanks again.

Much Respect & Much Peace - Amanda

WantDisclosure
22nd July 2017, 02:01
Anyone telling others how to live and in particular how to think - is always a gamble. When a person is making money from selling an idea - we have to be very discerning - don't we??
She's not telling others how to live.

And I don't think she's "just doing this for the money."

People who have a story to tell should tell it, in my opinion.


Published on May 16, 2016

Suzanne Hansen speaking on 2 May 2015, in Sydney, Australia, to UFO Research, NSW.

Suzanne is a UFO Researcher and Director of UFOCUS Research Network, New Zealand. Suzy has had a lifetime of experience with the Greys and was taught on their craft in preparation for future events. She was also shown and has used their ‘conscious’ advanced technology and witnessed their way of life on on craft.

Her book, "The Dual Soul Connection" was written in collaboration with Dr Rudy Schild, US Emeritus astrophysicist at Harvard-Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics, Cambridge, USA. The book is a fascinating read and filled with meticulous detail about the complex multi-layered advancement programme for humanity implemented by alien species. This book can be ordered from www.communicatorlink.com or Amazon as a Kindle e-book.

In Suzy’s words: "It is through my relationship with alien species that I have come to understand the deeper soul connections we have with each other, and with them. I discovered not only a parallel life or co-reality, but a dual soul status – the reality that I entered this life with a soul formed of two distinct soul identities: alien and human".

Suzy outlines the steps involved in preparing for this life, through a soul enhancement and education process that constitutes the dual soul. All of this took place under the guidance of alien species and a universal governing body of wise souls, associated with our planet.

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I think she's trustworthy; I just worry about what's happened to her.