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donk
26th April 2017, 12:16
I purposely chose to de-sensentialize the title of this thread as I am NOT intending to just draw attention for attention's sake...I feel this is a worthy topic of discussion here, especially among the more veteran members (hat tip to dreamtimer in a thread i didn't want to derail...but she DID say it may be of interest :eyebrows:):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode

I particularly love this gem in the concluding paragraph, and suggest it become a forum motto:

"I'm no-one's enemy here. But, I am a friend of the truth. (And, fully on record, so is Kerry Cassidy." -Bill Ryan

I was curious as to what our friend TargeT was pointing to in his post, as it is on a private thread?

ADDED: Besides the fun and nostalgia...there are serious issues to discuss, including this from Octavusprime, who I will completely confirm:

"It should be noted that "Gaia" is all over facebook. It always comes up as a suggested page for me. Gaia.tv pushes alot of Wilcox and Corey. Random people I'm friends with on facebook "like" it. So it is being very well funded and pushed hard on social media.
Parent Post"

....it scares the sh!t out of whenever I see it (which is way too often to my liking) and whic of my totally rando friends that "like" Gaia......

Aianawa
26th April 2017, 12:31
On our dear TOT, since arriving, I have seen BR be called an outright and left liar. Now insert CG instead of BR.

Makes for an interesting thread, had no interaction or connection with BR so no comment.
Little to no interaction or connection with CG but got to observe his rise to fame as such and rise imo of his consciousness and give DW ( David Wilcock ) kudos for his journey and awakening of people during his journey, seen Gaia hitting my FB feed also and have shared it a couple of times, is that part of disclousure or manipulation, not that aware of Gaia's content but from what I have heard there is some xlent viewing.

donk
26th April 2017, 12:40
What exactly of Corey (and DW's) message do you hope your friends receive when you are spreading it?

From what I understand, they put out a LOT of content, all of which is difficult for me to consume...I couldn't read too much of "goodETxSG" stuff BEFORE he was forum-famous. You often ask others for nuggets of long videos to get an idea of what to expect...so I'm doing that to you now: what would you hope one would get from CG's story?

Aianawa
26th April 2017, 12:50
Lol, spread the Gaia channel which has DW and CG within it, shared because I feel there is good spiritual content, am sure besides the blue birdies, there is lots of stories to believe or not at Gaia.

donk
26th April 2017, 13:46
Here's an example what I used to have the most interest in, and what made Bill's disclosure fascinating to me:


Here is a little bit of my own story with Corey Goode taken from (an edited) private conversation of mine:

Quote Posted by Omnisense
we were both members of project avalon. some closely involved said he spent like 2 (ish) years to infiltrate avalons interviewers to interview him. after that interview he blew up with Wilcock. i was one of the only people on avalon opposing his disinformation at the time. Corey Goode said in his project avalon interview someone on the forum is infected with a sentient sovereign alien world destroying AI (How absurd). He outed me as that person later on the forum resulting in slander and discrediting amongst the sheepish flocks who believed him.

After that he went on a slander campaign against me. Going to several websites posting lies about me and bull**** that is wrong(like i emailed him some pathetic crazy email).
I could detect his deception from the start... Knew he was compromised from the beginning, all I needed to confirm that is his disinformation about artificial intelligence.

The supporters of PA enable Bill to deflect any responsibility for his creation of Corey's quasi-celebritydom.

He gets away with appearing to have no hand in legitimizing Corey, creating the false appearance that he some Dolan-esque credibility.

In fact, that ties into my concern...it's that "next level up" tier of researcher/whistleblower that Dolan is king (maybe Linda Moulten Howe is queen?) that I think are the most dangerous, and I see it as a level BR crafts his image to in hopes to achieve...which it appears to me that he puts David Icke in, and Wilcock himself seemed to enjoy pre-Corey, maybe His Fulford was the bridge there?

The controlled image of PA and level over discourse that is vigorously maintained gives the illusion that less discernment is required when consuming information or exchanging ideas there. The actual events as they occurred in real time were revealing to me that the surface veneer may just be dressing for something sorta sinister, and in the very least (best case scenario) dressing for a vehicle to feed his ego (I refuse to believe it is a materially lucrative endeavor as lots of peeps accuse, from the way his former wife tells it they lived barely above poverty)

I know a lot of good and seemingly legitimate people use the space (and relatively broad audience) as a platform because it's more effective most, but I can't help but see it as empowerment of the enablement which is what's most wrong with the "community" to me

donk
26th April 2017, 14:13
To clarify the above...omni's "I knew it was deception from the gate" stuff is what triggered me.

If that's the case, then the webmaster in charge needed to be called on his crap how he made us pretend to not know the dude's name for so long, how he made it this super secret exclusive. And so far in my wanderings through the thread, none of the faithful there want to point the glaring omissions of the recounting of how that whole situation evolved

At the time, I pushed him hard to explain his relationship with David Wilcock, as I felt it was a crucial piece off the puzzle. After all, just a few years bill was building on his own quasi-fame with his arguably (to a lot of peeps, not me) "most legitimate" whistleblower Pete Peterson with his then buddy DW at the table with them

Back then (rightly or wrongly) it painted a picture of the mechanics of these "ufologists" social relationships. I felt the internet could be a better place sharing of ideas than what I saw portrayed in "Mirage Men" as the seedy little conferences (along with newsletters and whatever else) you used to have as only outlet for exchanging ideas.

Forums give a direct line to the individuals supposedly involved first hand in these anamolous experiences that people come to them for, but it only works when the webMASTERS of a given "community" is more concerned with sharing ideas (and being openly honest) than they are their image. To me this makes the Dolans and Ryans more dangerous than Corey's, if you can't see through the bluebird sh!t, how easily can you duped by the guys that make them famous?

Dreamtimer
26th April 2017, 14:30
Bill was motivated by Randy Maughans' Facebook post. Randy describes this as a cult. He warns people away from Contact in the Desert. He says that there are intelligence fronts as well as some decidedly non-human predators there.

It's around the corner, mid-May. There are some respected names there, i.e. Hancock. I know Jimmy Church gets all stoked about Contact.

(I'd lay a bet on DW discussing his wee willy but it's only even money...)

I'd listen to Schoch if I was going. But I can't see shelling out hundreds for it.


Yeah, TargeT. What's the 'members only' thing you recall?:eyebrows:

donk
26th April 2017, 14:49
Well whatever it is, it's nice to see bits like this...another example of enabling but maybe someone more astute than norman (who posted it) might question bill's responsibility for Charles (leading to questioning his responsibility for creating Corey):


The gloves need to come off about everything in the truthersphere. Years of additive synthesis have made it into nearly white noise.

On David Wilcock, his security protocol is pathetically weak, even if he's still a genuine bloke being fooled. His method has been to collect info from several so called white hat insiders and keep bits of it to himself to use as validation keys for new 'leakers'. How simple is that to hack ? I'll leave it to your imagination.

I looked for the old Charles threads a few weeks ago but couldn't find them. I wanted to confirm true of not whether Corey was singled out by Charles. Anyway, I only have a vague memory of the lists of questions we as a group asked Charles. I'd like to know how many of the topics in the questions fit with the topics of the Corey Goode story now a few years later. I think I can remember a few matches. I hope I don't have to explain at great length my thinking here.

He puts responsibility on the participants, as if their (our) enabling is a bad thing but the leader isn't enabling at all, dear bill just provides the opportunity for it, he's providing a service...seriously, am I wrong to think this way??

I know I can't be only individual to see an out in the open phenomenon like I'm trying to describe, but I guess I could be seeing/creating something that isn't really there (tilting at windmills :nails:)...please, someone be brutally honest with me and set me straight

Dreamtimer
26th April 2017, 14:56
I think you've made a great case for enabling, donk. I think there's been a pattern. And this could be a sort of attempt to get out from under that. If he's exposing now, he looks like less of an enabler. And of course he's controlling the narrative of how things unfolded. I think you already made your case in other threads.

Fred Steeves
26th April 2017, 15:24
That thread caught my attention as well Phil, small world!

After a Goode long period of relative dormancy, I see our local mirage man is at it again. I wonder if his old "Aviary" buds are lurking behind the scenes on this whole sham, just like his behind the scenes (hello Rick Doty for instance?) "Team of Five" buds during the big Serpo rollout. You know something that just occurred to me? Corey's rather unlikely and meteoric rise to alt media stardom, very closely resembles Mirage Man's unlikely and meteoric rise to alt media stardom back in '06.

Another similarity: The ramblings of the "Anonymous" whistle blower backing Serpo, were presented and swallowed whole without a single shred of evidence by the hungry and ever gullible UFO audience, just like Corey's ramblings

Here's another one: People don't just rise like the Phoenix from utter obscurity without help, you must have the blessings of certain gatekeepers. Mirage Man had Jerry Pippen, and Corey has David Wilcock. Of course it runs a lot deeper than that, these guys are all just puppets in the end helping feed the ever ongoing meme machine.

Anyway, what these things *do* have useful to offer, is continuing demonstrations on how vital discernment really is. I see people involved in a certain Project, good people at that, patting each other on the back all the time for their well honed discernment skills, all the while worshipping at the altar of a deceiver of the first order. That's just the way it is here below, as it is out there above. I've finally learned to accept that.

But you know what? I've come to the conclusion that people just don't really care about this subject any more. And I'm not even talking about just our local quazi celebrity either. Even though this deceptive narrative continues to refresh and reinvent itself for cloaking purposes, it's dated, yesterday's news. Move along, nothing to see here folks. Besides, anyone who has the potential to start grasping the importance of understanding this repeated pattern already has, the vast majority will simply continue kneeling to the softly spoken magic spells.

Again, that's just the way it is...

Aragorn
26th April 2017, 15:25
In my personal opinion, this thread at Project WhatsItsNameAgain is just one more manifestation of Bill Ryan's vindictiveness. Caring about the truth has nothing to do with it. In fact, coming out of the keyboard of Bill Ryan — a man known for his great skill in manipulating, spin doctoring and lying by omission — such a statement is pretty much bound to become the joke of the year. :rolleyes:

Corey was outed a long time ago already — long before Bill Ryan took a stance in the Simon Parkes affair, even — so why does The Man With The Hat™ bother to make an open statement about Corey again right now? It's very simple: Bill Ryan had a feud going on with Corey, and Corey did indeed post lots of defaming stuff — true or false — both about Bill Ryan himself and about Project Avalon on his personal blog.

Corey claimed to have been sent a hard copy of a 72-page FBI file on Bill Ryan, of which I have personally seen a few excerpts — not the whole thing, but excerpts, related to financial affairs and bank accounts in the Cayman Islands. If those documents were false — which is possible, even though I'm not convinced of that — then I imagine that Corey would have created those himself. Corey was no stranger to spinning and lying either, and Christine Anderson of the Earth Empaths forum has confirmed this to me in an e-mail exchange I had with her during the course of 2016.

Either way, the very existence of that (alleged) FBI file on Bill Ryan that Corey had been sent must have had at least some roots in reality, because from the moment that Bill Ryan heard about this — as I gather, it was Corey's wife Stacy who spilled the beans on that over at Avalon, in a fit of anger over having had her post censored (and I don't believe Bill Ryan's explanation about not having had the time to notify Stacy of that) — he went into a frenzy, and his own moderators were complaining that he became so obsessed with it that they couldn't really work with him anymore at that point in time. I have seen an e-mail from one of his (now former) moderators about that too.

Bill Ryan is a vindictive man. We all know that. Among other things, that's why he passed on Malc's and my private e-mail addresses — and my legal name — to Simon Parkes, so that Parkes could harass us with the threat of a lawsuit. It is also why The Man With The Hat™ attempted to destroy Christine Anderson's reputation over the fact that she had "deserted" from his kingdom. On top of that, Bill Ryan is also an obsessive-compulsive narcissist, which is why he tried to get bsbray to edit out his (Bill Ryan's) name from an already old post by Lord Sidious — and everywhere that post had been quoted, and all under the table, without that the rest of the staff of The One Truth were to find out — in which The Lord Of The Nuggets™ had espoused his (then-held) opinion that Bill Ryan would have been working for the alphabet spooks.

Oh, and the smartphone screenshot that The Man With The Hat™ is showing there on that thread and of which he says that it comes from an Avalon member who was in contact with Corey is nothing new either. Said Avalon member is none other Shane Bales, alias The Ruiner. Shane had already showed that screenshot to one of the moderators of The One Truth back at the time when Corey was still here. And we all know Shane's credibility, right?

Just like Corey Goode, Simon Parkes and Bill Ryan, Shane is a very talented storyteller, and to a Machiavellian, it is trivial to present something out of context as "evidence" — something which I have personally seen Bill Ryan himself do as well, when he wanted me to believe that he had not fired Hazel or anyone else from the Avalon moderator team, and which he later on obviously forgot about, when he openly admitted on his forum that he had, indeed, fired Hazel.

The bottom line is that everyone already long knows that Corey's information is not to be trusted. We here at The One Truth have caught Corey red-handed at telling lies about the staff here. Just before Corey left The One Truth, he told Malc that "the entire moderator team had been infiltrated with Ruiner followers". "The entire moderator team" at the time was made up of only three people: Malc, bsbray and myself. And neither of us had ever even looked at the Ruiner material beyond what was necessary to moderate that thread. We knew Shane was full of it, just as we knew that Corey was full of it.

I have also compared notes with Christine Anderson on account of Corey, and she confirmed that Corey is a fantasist and that he likes to put a dramatic spin on things. It was Bill Ryan who launched Corey into his celebrity status long before Wilcock started riding that wagon, so I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, then. ;)



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donk
26th April 2017, 15:45
Well I find it interesting to talk about because it is important on the "as above, so below" level. This here is an alternative news platform, and this episode is something we all directly experienced together.

As I received a little affirmation that I'm not completely making shit up, the next step is to use it to step up to the next level...which would be to find ways to hold the "leader" accountable. Also to figure out to mor easily discern that "higher tier" more sophisticated level of bullish!tter.

I had backed away from my internet interactions as I wasn't getting anywhere in my exploration of that second idea with a friend on his platform that I thought it important to be able to connect to, as we agree on most things (cw chanter). But there's a level of "authority" that each individual accepts, a dividing line on where we get personally insulted when our understanding of reality is challenged

There's a spectrum, my line was the black and white of the paper of record and scholarly documents and intelligent sounding transmission of information. Then I hit the david icke and intro to this community and I took it personally that some of the scientific and historical "dogma" of popular culture (even taught in school) were lies and so my self perception of my "open-mindedness" expanded to "brains falling out" consumption of anything that resonated

And yes, the project was the ultimate to learn better discernment...until it irritated that generally it wasn't any different than the "mainstream", it just had more people that drew their line further into the fringe. I think now we are experiencing a mainstream moving of the line moving out, concurrent with a flooding of our awareness with "information"

Ultimately it required a species wide emotional maturity growth, and why I stick with this story is because if we can't find workable to this solution with a self proclaimed "awake and aware" crowd that's proven to be a step ahead on the mainstream in th game (so below)...how we can hope to expose the "as above" leaders...let alone their disinfo agents and ultimately their controllers??

I like to think it's possible and that we're chipping away. "You may say that I'm dreamer", but I guess I feel like I got nothing better to do...at least at the moment I type this anyway. In reality, I'd be embarrassed that anyone outside these forums would find me spending any time thusly :belief:

Aragorn
26th April 2017, 16:25
[...]

I had backed away from my internet interactions as I wasn't getting anywhere in my exploration of that second idea with a friend on his platform that I thought it important to be able to connect to, as we agree on most things (cw chanter). But there's a level of "authority" that each individual accepts, a dividing line on where we get personally insulted when our understanding of reality is challenged

There's a spectrum, my line was the black and white of the paper of record and scholarly documents and intelligent sounding transmission of information. Then I hit the david icke and intro to this community and I took it personally that some of the scientific and historical "dogma" of popular culture (even taught in school) were lies and so my self perception of my "open-mindedness" expanded to "brains falling out" consumption of anything that resonated

Well, it would be presumptuous of me to pretend that I'm speaking for everyone here, but whereas I myself am concerned, I too have once fallen into that trap, Brother. You wake up one day, realizing that the mainstream is just shamelessly pulling your leg, and so you turn to "the alternative sources", and you start consuming all of that stuff almost at face value. But then you still need to discover that those alternative sources are just as deceptive, and that it's not all down to disinformation agents running amok.

The so-called alternative community's greatest problem is itself. We have to let go of the "black & white" thinking and develop some discernment. And that takes time — for some more than for others. And once you get there, then that still doesn't mean that you can't ever get fooled again. Deception is everywhere. But at the very least, one can learn not to place one's eggs in anybody's basket. The Truth (with an uppercase initial) lies within, and we don't need any gurus or storytellers. We have to stop being an audience and start becoming a community. Together we make a difference. :p

If you look around at the forums here at The One Truth, you will find loads of older threads — primarily from before the middle of 2015 — with stuff that's simply too ludicrous to be taken seriously, substantiated with nothing but defunct YouTube links, or YouTube links from questionable sources, or links to tabloid-like websites, or links to a website run by someone suffering from severe paranoid delusion, et al.

Storytellers have it easy, because they can come up with woo-woo stuff that the gullible will believe, and/or with stuff that sounds just pseudo-scientific enough to lend at least a modicum of credibility before the (supposed) skeptics. David Wilcock is good at that sort of stuff. Someone like Simon Parkes is very bad at it, but his audience doesn't seem to care much, because they're interested in the woo-woo factor of reptilians and mantises and Djinn and shadow people and whatever else he can come up with.


And yes, the project was the ultimate to learn better discernment...until it irritated that generally it wasn't any different than the "mainstream", it just had more people that drew their line further into the fringe. I think now we are experiencing a mainstream moving of the line moving out, concurrent with a flooding of our awareness with "information"

Ultimately it required a species wide emotional maturity growth, and why I stick with this story is because if we can't find workable to this solution with a self proclaimed "awake and aware" crowd that's proven to be a step ahead on the mainstream in th game (so below)...how we can hope to expose the "as above" leaders...let alone their disinfo agents and ultimately their controllers??

I don't think that they would — on average — be one step ahead of the mainstream. It's more like they're in a different room, but still on the same floor, and just as unable to find the staircase to the next floor.


I like to think it's possible and that we're chipping away. "You may say that I'm dreamer", but I guess I feel like I got nothing better to do...at least at the moment I type this anyway. In reality, I'd be embarrassed that anyone outside these forums would find me spending any time thusly :belief:

Well, my opinion may be biased, but it is my impression that as an "alternative community" forum, The One Truth is one of the most level-headed ones out there — or at least, we are now, because we too have had to learn and grow. We have open minds, but we're not really blind believers anymore. The thrill-seekers, the guru-seekers and the emotionally immature have already long left the forum, and the level-headed members have remained.

I think we're on the right path, or that is to say, at least on account of truth-seeking. For some, there's still quite a bit of work to be done on account of themselves as people. Being aware of the deception isn't the same thing as being enlightened and/or becoming a better human being. ;)

Maggie
26th April 2017, 17:00
I don't think that they would — on average — be one step ahead of the mainstream. It's more like they're in a different room, but still on the same floor, and just as unable to find the staircase to the next floor.
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Well, my opinion may be biased, but it is my impression that as an "alternative community" forum, The One Truth is one of the most level-headed ones out there — or at least, we are now, because we too have had to learn and grow. We have open minds, but we're not really blind believers anymore. The thrill-seekers, the guru-seekers and the emotionally immature have already long left the forum, and the level-headed members have remained.

I think we're on the right path, or that is to say, at least on account of truth-seeking. For some, there's still quite a bit of work to be done on account of themselves as people. Being aware of the deception isn't the same thing as being enlightened and/or becoming a better human being.

I think you make an excellent point here.

Fred Steeves
26th April 2017, 17:02
And yes, the project was the ultimate to learn better discernment...until it irritated that generally it wasn't any different than the "mainstream", it just had more people that drew their line further into the fringe. I think now we are experiencing a mainstream moving of the line moving out, concurrent with a flooding of our awareness with "information"

Ultimately it required a species wide emotional maturity growth, and why I stick with this story is because if we can't find workable to this solution with a self proclaimed "awake and aware" crowd that's proven to be a step ahead on the mainstream in th game (so below)...how we can hope to expose the "as above" leaders...let alone their disinfo agents and ultimately their controllers??


Hey man you know me, I'll discuss the big mind f**k/psychological operations/magickal workings/reality manipulations/what have you) til the cows come home. I truly find it one of, if not *the* most fascinating topic of study and discussion out there. Here's the thing though. You know that weird questioning look on someone's face whom you're talking to, where you find yourself wondering "do you even understand English?" That "look" when on this subject is the look of a glass ceiling being bumped up against.

Yes forum people are a step or two ahead of the mainstream, but as you have noted the barriers and conditioning remain very well entrenched, just at a relatively higher level. I've seen forums in general get better at weeding out their heroes, the authority figures they depend on for their opinions and information, but it's really tough whittling down that last one or two until it's down to just the self. That's where things get spooky. So they get it down to one or two, David Icke and Bill Ryan would be a common last heroic duo "truth disseminators" to hang onto for dear life (like Jesus or Darwin).They are *not* going to let go of either one of those last two life rafts, no matter the evidence placed before them. Their personal grounding cannot support that, they need security, that reassurance, and yes, that authority figure in their lives. And like in "The Matrix", they will fight to keep it that way.

That's why I seldom give a s**t to go there any more, it's no different than trying to convince a Trump acolyte that he is not who they think he is (or who they want/need him to be) either. Almost every time the person has to either see it on their own, then face it on their own. If Person X is unable to even see the minor league Trump/Ryan as above so below, how are they going to possibly set their aims higher than that? Crawl before walk, before run.

Again it's quite possibly one of the most important topics out there, so let's see where it goes shall we? By the way, good to see you back around Phil :)

donk
26th April 2017, 18:25
Heh, I had no idea "solar warden" went back to 2010, look who started the thread:winner::

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8398-Solar-Warden&p=72378&viewfull=1#post72378

It's funny to see the people mention not being able to read Corey's stuff (pre-celebrity), it was the sort of thing I'd have been interested and he's not a particularly bad writer, I thought back then it was the bold face and purple font he used...which I was thought was silly, why would a font/color repulse me from info I was interested in

Nowadays I guess I have to accept their is indeed an energetic vibe that can be felt through this strange medium

Maggie
26th April 2017, 22:45
When a writer or speaker gives me a static sensation, I am not engaged.
This has saved me often.

When we are engaged, we are pulled in to the thought forms presented by the communicator. Our engagement with thought forms is our sacred responsibility.
IMO when people become engaged, OUR willingness (to be engaged) becomes "what is observed". What manifests through consciousness could be ANYTHING but we choose something and actually request the essence based on feeling. over and over we hear about frequency and tuning in but the powerful use of that has not been implemented wide spread.. The tuning in we CHOOSE becomes reality as a collective.

Imagine the social collected form as a flowing slow moving river. As Different thought forms build in minds, the banks of the river of "reality" shift slightly.
Contrast life in a small town USA 100 years ago and I bet there are similar themes but some aspects have broken the bounds of the river...ideas like quantum entanglement and probable realities and holograms and alternative story lines and human self empowerment is working its way into awareness. I imagine that the interface with the MIND as consciously creative is what becomes probable. MY mind matters and what I will give MIND to digest is sacred.

I dedicate myself to practicing mind is the builder.

ZShawn
27th April 2017, 14:36
interesting read this thread..... supposedly we are going through this shifting of the ages which is to be a time of new ideas replacing the old ideas....and ideas are the most dangerous things, so some have said.
and this during a time when idea propagation has this technological accompaniment to speed the process up immensely..... what better way for those entrenched to continue despite the possibilities of empowerment this presents than to just drown things out with a barrage of bs.....
new mythologies will arise that replace the old mythologies, but humanity will still be regardless, not really any wiser to the real undercurrents of reality, just all engaged in the building of new edifices of illusion, supporting each other in their climb up the ranks, much like the poor souls self-trapped in the AA, supporting each other in this "new" paradigm.
meet the new boss, same as the old boss
:fpalm:
have been much too busy in the salt mine of the daily grind to really keep up with all the new people and new ideas, other than cursory, dive in and look around, shake head and head back to the mine LOL
happy though i found this little place in the shire to stop in from time to time
be well

Jengelen
27th April 2017, 16:05
If it follows the same ole proven pattern of lay out what you are going tell them and then tell them, then tell them again, and then at the end tell them all what you just told them.

This format is all over the place as I see it. TV, radio, FB and legacy media are enemies of the state and enemies of awareness independence. If Zuckerberg has his way he will be able to in the future just erase any bad memories of him or distrust you have and just wipe it from your mind while you sit idle on your computer.

donk
28th April 2017, 12:03
Who lays out the "same ole proven pattern"? Is this the "self-sabotage" discussed in the other thread...something ingrained in our DNA?

If it's something external...how if we can't get the respected "authorities" that groups of people look to be transparent...let alone be held accountable for insidious deception or "more innocent" twisting of truth for ego/material gratification...how can we find who is pulling their strings? Infusing the "pattern"? Created the pattern in the first place?

One thing is clear, it seems hierarchical...a pyramid the top of which needs complete concealment, to be hidden completely in the shadows to continue to exist

If it truly is all is "within", I guess just plugging along with as much self honesty and healing as possible is the obvious path

Aianawa
28th April 2017, 12:26
Not knowing I was telling myself a lie/s was and may still be, very difficult to deal with once found, imo once one/me stops lying to myself, living improves and surviving lessons.

Aragorn
28th April 2017, 12:27
Who lays out the "same ole proven pattern"? Is this the "self-sabotage" discussed in the other thread...something ingrained in our DNA?

If it's something external...how if we can't get the respected "authorities" that groups of people look to be transparent...let alone be held accountable for insidious deception or "more innocent" twisting of truth for ego/material gratification...how can we find who is pulling their strings? Infusing the "pattern"? Created the pattern in the first place?

One thing is clear, it seems hierarchical...a pyramid the top of which needs complete concealment, to be hidden completely in the shadows to continue to exist

If it truly is all is "within", I guess just plugging along with as much self honesty and healing as possible is the obvious path

As you well know, I have my own thoughts about Bill Ryan, and I have already espoused those higher up the thread (and elsewhere). But I will on the other hand also say this...: Bill Ryan has his own woo-woo factor, and I am convinced that there is a lot of misinformation that he himself actually believes in. So his enormous narcissism and his Machiavellianism notwithstanding, I believe that Bill Ryan, too, can get fooled by storytellers, and that he does actively believe in all of their woo-woo stories. This is something he has in common with Kerry Cassidy, albeit that she in turn has no discernment whatsoever, while The Man With The Hat™ does have at least a modicum of that.

It was Bill Ryan who was intrigued by Corey's story, and who asked Christine to record that "impromptu interview" with Corey. Bill didn't have the intention of publishing it right away, but he asked Christine to drop in on Corey and record that conversation, for his (Bill's) own research purposes. He has been very clear about that on the open Avalon forum. And so it was only after he had heard the tape that Christine brought back with her from her trip to Texas that Bill decided that this was something that needed to be published on the Avalon forum — and he did ask for Corey's permission before he published it. But I think that, at the time, Bill himself would still have been under the impression that Corey was telling the truth.

The bottom line is that I don't think that Bill would have published Corey's story without that he himself believed in its veracity. Of course, what all happened after that is a whole other chapter, but — and this is my personal opinion — I think that the "alt media" celebrities that Bill has been offering a launchpad to have him just as fooled as they have their audience, and that Bill just wants to be a celebrity agent. He wants either himself as an individual or Project Avalon as a whole to piggyback on the stardom of his "celebrities", but he's just as captivated by them as the other Avalon members.

At least, that's my opinion. Like I said, Bill Ryan has his own woo-woo factor. He's a devout follower of L. Ron Hubbard, for crying out loud. That should tell anyone enough, don't you think? ;)


: Sherlock:

donk
28th April 2017, 12:53
As you well know, I have my own thoughts about Bill Ryan, and I have already espoused those higher up the thread (and elsewhere). But I will on the other hand also say this...: Bill Ryan has his own woo-woo factor, and I am convinced that there is a lot of misinformation that he himself actually believes in. So his enormous narcissism and his Machiavellianism notwithstanding, I believe that Bill Ryan, too, can get fooled by storytellers, and that he does actively believe in all of their woo-woo stories. This is something he has in common with Kerry Cassidy, albeit that she in turn has no discernment whatsoever, while The Man With The Hat™ does have at least a modicum of that.

It was Bill Ryan who was intrigued by Corey's story, and who asked Christine to record that "impromptu interview" with Corey. Bill didn't have the intention of publishing it right away, but he asked Christine to drop in on Corey and record that conversation, for his (Bill's) own research purposes. He has been very clear about that on the open Avalon forum. And so it was only after he had heard the tape that Christine brought back with her from her trip to Texas that Bill decided that this was something that needed to be published on the Avalon forum — and he did ask for Corey's permission before he published it. But I think that, at the time, Bill himself would still have been under the impression that Corey was telling the truth.

The bottom line is that I don't think that Bill would have published Corey's story without that he himself believed in its veracity. Of course, what all happened after that is a whole other chapter, but — and this is my personal opinion — I think that the "alt media" celebrities that Bill has been offering a launchpad to have him just as fooled as they have their audience, and that Bill just wants to be a celebrity agent. He wants either himself as an individual or Project Avalon as a whole to piggyback on the stardom of his "celebrities", but he's just as captivated by them as the other Avalon members.

At least, that's my opinion. Like I said, Bill Ryan has his own woo-woo factor. He's a devout follower of L. Ron Hubbard, for crying out loud. That should tell anyone enough, don't you think? ;)


: Sherlock:

And that is exactly what I am talking about, I found a lot of that information (and more) by talking directly to Christine as well, and also other people close to the situation (including Corey...and Shane).

While may be labeled "undesirable" by Bill and his fans, and they may be outright liars, they are humans directly experiencing important aspects of the story. My issue with that, and why I wil continue to start threads like this, is that when stuff like what you and are I posting isn't out there, the narrative can be shaped (for a big audience) in a one-dimensional--in this case, Bill's...for PA audience--way....on the platform that supposedly the bastion for "scienctific/rational" perspective on reality.

This of course can be applied on the "as above, so below" level, which is why I find it to be a meaningful exercise, despite anyone projecting any remaining emotional attachment I have to the issue or people personally. I won't deny that I WAS deeply personally attached, and like to believe (but may be delusional) that I matured and detached, and welcome any perspective showing ideas (or even proofs) counter to that.

I do this as an attempt to try to set an example and a standard of what we should hope to expect from any leader or authority.

In this case, he claims to be a friend to the truth, with no enemies HERE (on Project Avalon). Hey dear leader, if you ever read this...why do you (or PA) have any enemies anywhere? My guess is that you are only friend of a truth you want others to believe...while hiding anything you don't to be part of image. I consider of myself a friend of a truth that 99 outa 100 people that experience it can agree upon...and I try to destroy the idea of ENEMIES.

And I bet the two of us at the breakfast table would be interesting (or whatever your standard for the privledge of membership is these days), if you invited me back I'd be delighted to ask the questions that none of your faithful dare ask, in order to supply MORE "truth about Corey Goode", giving you and that place more credibility.

It is a fascinating phenomenon, which almost seems like a pattern...I think that would be interesting explore there as well, and you could provide more truth on that (Serpo-->Charles-->Inelia-->Simon-->Corey(Wilcock)Shane) that so many come to these places for...and some of us longer-timers are curious for clarity on.

Just a suggestion....hope you are well...:ht:

Maggie
28th April 2017, 19:11
Hey dear leader, if you ever read this...why do you (or PA) have any enemies anywhere? My guess is that you are only friend of a truth you want others to believe...while hiding anything you don't to be part of image. I consider of myself a friend of a truth that 99 outa 100 people that experience it can agree upon...and I try to destroy the idea of ENEMIES.

ENEMIES as a belief is maybe the deep state we as a collective agree (universally?) to subscribe in? A common theme that an opposition force exists cvertainly underlies the white hat/black hat meme, the oppression sensation, ideas about imprisonment ETC.

Paranoia is an extreme where people say (Something) is out to "get" me>>>

I think about how the belief in an opposing force can be shaped. IMO like any perhaps working "truth", it is experienced as we are... so even if there is a principle of dual forces, it will take on the "personal belief" AND will be what we believe. That last bit is REALLY the crux IMO. Even when we cannot directly see the bread crumbs of how "reality" becomes confirmation of our belief, IMO it is valuable to accept its truth. That is truth on the level of principle. IMO it can be tested. Also we can be under an illusion that we are NOT creating our mundane experience. I think principles exist that we can depend on.

IMO we have to agree on basic assumptions about reality to even have a dialogue. By observing that everyone is having a separate kind of experience of "principle" forces, we can allow people to have what they have.

I Think we may never be able to receive satisfaction from others....i.e. as an example: whatever it is that is desired form BR and all the whistling blowers we elect to entertain our beliefs through story.

donk
28th April 2017, 19:28
Ultimately "what I wanted from BR"...and a better word than want would be EXPECTED...based on how it is advertised, is a platform where we can have open and honest dialogue, especially pertaining to the intersection of "spirituality and science". It is not some vague unattainable thing...that's what he presents it to be and I directly addressed him about it when I could

I certainly don't expect "satisfaction"...certainly not in the form of him ever accepting responsibility for his role in the creation of CG (etal) or more transparency about his relationships that he shows us the surface of...as I once did when I believed in him and his integrity and what he claimed to be trying to do. I get much satisfaction from discussing it (and the lessons that can learned from it) though :chrs:

Fred Steeves
28th April 2017, 21:08
Something else occurs to me Phil, in that it's tricky getting input on a public forum concerning this subject in general in that we have cross forum membership between here, and The Project. It would be forum suicide to ever publicly insinuate that the man at the helm of the good ship Avalon may well be a spoke in the wheel of the widespread corruption in Alternative Media (most especially the u.f.o. field), yet those are the same people who have the experience necessary to help further understand this sticky and complex subject matter. If you want to keep posting there, you had best keep your mouth shut on certain subjects. That's just the way it is, it's understandable, and it's the exact same way in the outside world. As usual, as above so below as below so above.

I'm on a small forum (some here may know of it) composed of old forum veterans, and they don't give a flying flip about talking of how the various forums really work when you scratch below the bright shiny surfaces. That's because they aren't beholden any more, they've been there done that, and are free to speak their minds as they see fit even in a public arena.

So there's my thought of the day on this, a different angle on this phenomena.

modwiz
28th April 2017, 22:11
Something else occurs to me Phil, in that it's tricky getting input on a public forum concerning this subject in general in that we have cross forum membership between here, and The Project. It would be forum suicide to ever publicly insinuate that the man at the helm of the good ship Avalon may well be a spoke in the wheel of the widespread corruption in Alternative Media (most especially the u.f.o. field), yet those are the same people who have the experience necessary to help further understand this sticky and complex subject matter. If you want to keep posting there, you had best keep your mouth shut on certain subjects. That's just the way it is, it's understandable, and it's the exact same way in the outside world. As usual, as above so below as below so above.

I'm on a small forum (some here may know of it) composed of old forum veterans, and they don't give a flying flip about talking of how the various forums really work when you scratch below the bright shiny surfaces. That's because they aren't beholden any more, they've been there done that, and are free to speak their minds as they see fit even in a public arena.

So there's my thought of the day on this, a different angle on this phenomena.

I smell jealousy, from Mr Hat, as well. Corey is making a decent living now with his story.

PurpleLama
28th April 2017, 22:19
Something else occurs to me Phil, in that it's tricky getting input on a public forum concerning this subject in general in that we have cross forum membership between here, and The Project. It would be forum suicide to ever publicly insinuate that the man at the helm of the good ship Avalon may well be a spoke in the wheel of the widespread corruption in Alternative Media (most especially the u.f.o. field), yet those are the same people who have the experience necessary to help further understand this sticky and complex subject matter. If you want to keep posting there, you had best keep your mouth shut on certain subjects. That's just the way it is, it's understandable, and it's the exact same way in the outside world. As usual, as above so below as below so above.

I'm on a small forum (some here may know of it) composed of old forum veterans, and they don't give a flying flip about talking of how the various forums really work when you scratch below the bright shiny surfaces. That's because they aren't beholden any more, they've been there done that, and are free to speak their minds as they see fit even in a public arena.

So there's my thought of the day on this, a different angle on this phenomena.

Nah, Phil got banned a while back.

Aianawa
28th April 2017, 22:23
Am very very curious now, will head over and sign up, this may help me understand more clearly.

donk
28th April 2017, 23:05
Heh...that will be fun...go in my profile and go to my thread called something like "a mirror for PA"...it's a very educational thread in its own right

A current friend showed me screenshots of the private thread our friend TargeT points to in post #3 of Bill's current running "Truth about Corey" thread...it is a thread Corey (then called goodETxSG) about "narcissistic trolls".

I was (and still am, I guess) narcissistic enough to believe he started that right in the middle of him getting p!ssy with me in the mirror thread.

God forbid you actually to try apply self reflection on that forum, had to keep that one private. There's a lot of private threads that would make it worth the membership, for that matter...the most interesting seems to need to be protected view...family secrets and all that, I guess:fpalm:

Fred Steeves
29th April 2017, 01:32
Am very very curious now, will head over and sign up, this may help me understand more clearly.

Have at it Vern, but the mere act of joining is not going to be of much enlightenment to you. To begin understanding what is going on there (and elsewhere related), you need to have an understanding of the related past in order to have an understanding for what is happening now in present time. It's doable, but would need to be a new labor of love for someone seeking to truly begin to grok what the story really may be. And even that is a hall of mirrors with a quicksand floor (Thank you LMH).

As Orwell most aptly put it: Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.

sandy
29th April 2017, 05:37
Who controls oneself has no need to figure out others, just take what you like, works for you and leave the rest behind. No Conquer>>no Divide!! :o

Elen
29th April 2017, 05:49
Who controls oneself has no need to figure out others, just take what you like, works for you and leave the rest behind. No Conquer>>no Divide!! :o

Another word of wisdom Sandy! :h5:

donk
1st May 2017, 13:46
Reflecting on this the other day:

One of the longest running active threads I remember from my time was about drinking your own urine

The most interesting to me was one providing "evidence" and even experiments on the "pros" of radiation from waste of our nuclear activity

One of my favorites was a virtual village, full of love and light and community. Just as compelling was the leader-proclaimed "possibly most important thread on the internet" that was a look into the abyss, the darknest of things happening to humans

And that always took a backseat in my mind to the personal life of the creator, as I believed it was creation largely based on the discussion of the cutting edge work he was doing with experiencers and whistleblowers and contacted.

And that would take a backseat (sorry, rough metaphor I'm beating on...but I guess looks like this: :bump2:) to his personal beliefs and ego and issues, as ultimately it called itself a "truth" site and the only 100% certain clear truth is that a reflection of what he wants the audience to see

So it was fun and educational to attempt to "gather data" on what his true motivations are, and how PA, which ultimately is his story, seems to be able to maintain this illusion of "self awareness" as a forum. I personally never believed we as community were able to truly "know ourselves"

That journey proved to be an incredibly empowering exercise with a plethora of lessons learned.

Maybe it is just what it is, the sum of the energy put into it by all of its parts. Maybe there's something deeper, insidious, going. Maybe it's just bill's ego. Maybe it's a bit of all these things.

Maybe the things I find to be important are only really significant to me, and completely meaningless outside of the lessons I learned? I apply them as above and so below, and hashing it out in this corner of the fringe of the internet will always be, so I thank all of you being here and allowing it

Anyways I ramble. On a completely unrelated note that I don't expect a response to so please don't get offended by my asking: I'm incredibly curious about TargeT's perspective on mine, if he'd be so kind to indulge me? I see what he has to say about Corey and some other whistleblowers...but what about the platform from whence he sprouted, its leader and his transmission and responsibility?

PurpleLama
2nd May 2017, 10:29
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1150058&viewfull=1#post1150058

Hey Phil, didn't Corey share the "dossier" with you, or a part of it?

Aragorn
2nd May 2017, 10:36
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1150058&viewfull=1#post1150058

Hey Phil, didn't Corey share the "dossier" with you, or a part of it?

I don't know whether he shared anything with Phil, but he did show me screenshots which had something to do with financial transactions via the Cayman Islands. For whatever that's worth...


:tea:

Between Bill Ryan trying to obfuscate his lies and manipulations on the one hand — which included harassment of Corey off of Avalon and seemingly intolerant behavior toward his own moderators and Christine — and Corey not being able to tell the difference between the truth and his own phantasms (or MILAB mind control), it was a very confusing situation.

Corey made lots of claims about Bill Ryan, but at the same time, he did it with an incredible vagueness and with blanket statements like "He [I] did some horrible things, but that was a long time ago so I shouldn't bring it up."

At the same time, Corey also told me things that were going on behind the scenes of Project Avalon which did all come true within days after he told me and which seemed to emphasize Corey's credibility, such as the fact that Christine was leaving Bill, and that she and Claudia had stepped down from the Avalon mod team in protest after Bill Ryan fired Hazel from the mod team in revenge over the fact that he himself had been kicked out of the Skype meetings of the Avalon Earth Healing Group due to his obsessive behavior regarding that purported FBI file, and his passive-aggressive conduct against the other Avalon Healers.

I don't think Corey's a bad person, and I don't think he would be consciously lying. I am rather of the impression that his mind has been messed with to such an extent that he has lost all touch with what's real and what's not. In a way, it's like schizophrenia, but another former MILAB abductee has stated earlier — here at The One Truth — that this sort of behavior would indeed be congruent with MILABs.

One things is certain, though: Bill Ryan's beef with Corey is personal. He's not just talking about "a case study" there. He's trying to make Corey look bad in order to make himself look good. Because that's the kind of man Bill Ryan is. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bill Ryan is an unadulterated obsessive-compulsive narcissist and a Machiavellian.

Just my two cents... :hmm:

donk
2nd May 2017, 12:04
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1150058&viewfull=1#post1150058

Hey Phil, didn't Corey share the "dossier" with you, or a part of it?

I'm pretty sure he spread it around to everyone he could think of that he'd think would post it publicly or get it back to him that it was out there. I'm not sure I got the 76 page version, I don't know that I could stomach that....though he did send me the financial cr@p (which I didn't read and a page or two psych profile that read like his "troll" handbook that sounded like it came from ABC agency

CG went from sticking up for Br and PA (by coming after me (and anyone who questioned his or PA's integrity) publicly, then "silverphoenix" (who many theorized wasn't ALWAYS his wife, that he was posting with it) freaked out in the same exact vain (but not nearly as eloquent a way) as I did when I first discovered: they tried to expose his belief in the danger of OTIII - LRon's sh!tty chickenscratch creation story.

When I did it (and how I suggest anyone wanting to try the experiment, prove me a liar) was posting it up on PA for discussion. Back in those days, even malc would take it down when I tested him by coming here. It was some time earlier than Corey's emergence that I was doing that...back when that goofy jiminii dude was captivating a portion of the forum

I can't remember silverphoenix actually doing that or if "she" did and it gotten taken down real quick...I just remember that by the time I saw the post it was "censored" and she was freaking out in writing that repulsed me the way goodETxSG posts did

He (and "she") left PA and pm'ed me here, wanting to be my "friend", recounting his story...I wonder if I still have those, I'll have to check I guess. I didn't take the bait, even though I was tempted when PA stalwart carmody counseled the forum on he had it and how unseemly it would be to post up

I was already engaging with Shane at the time, and my relationship was more independent of the Corey crap at first. His writing early on the blog, and subsequent pms sucked me in energetically the polar opposite of how CG repulsed me

...then the real fun began, eh? The lil lady here got all p!ssy at TOT's alleged "censorship" (I believe on non-CG related matters?) and the roving lost forum tribe began its endless journey through the alternative deserts, with troll in tow sh!tting in every oasis we stopped at, good times!! I wrote about (and pointed to) it here: http://openuptoday.freeforums.net/thread/14/reflections-on-imaginative-world

Please anyone correct my story if I misspoke or misremembered. To answer the direct question, the crap Corey baited me with (I believe carmody called it a "data bomb") I never felt was damning enough to be used as even minor emotional blackmail...if I were ever so inclined (although I guess I was wrong, though I haven't checked your link yet...you think he's bent about it being "out there"?).

I like to believe I was "big" enough then to not approach things that way...but Corey saw something in me where he thought I would, so who knows...maybe if I trusted Corey then I would have. He certainly recognized Bill considered me an "enemy"...and a "friend of the truth" :winner:

ADDED: Ha!!! Just saw the post you pointed. If I were betting man, I'd wager a solid George Washington that Bill's statement that he "never saw the dossier" is not exactly being "supergreat friends with the truth"...or Corey never had it or it wasn't real to begin with. Fred may be able to shed light, we worked very closely together on our "research" back then and I would have sent what I had to him

...regardless, I am not certain I even had it. Anywho...if the FBI had a dossier on me, I'd want it publicly posted. What power does information "they" have when it is no longer hidden...unless you're up to some shady sh!t. A "friend of the truth" could 'splain anything on it, and point out any inaccuracies...and responsibly own any mistakes you've made in life.

PurpleLama
2nd May 2017, 13:02
My point was, that I seemed to recall that the so called "dossier" was the same crap about the elderly American Bill Ryan who was in the church of Scientology, the posting of which by his "wife" on PA had led to their unceremonious exit. But, with all the shenanigans going on in the spring of '15, my memory might not be accurate.

Edit

I dug back through my email and found it.

donk
2nd May 2017, 16:56
My point was, that I seemed to recall that the so called "dossier" was the same crap about the elderly American Bill Ryan who was in the church of Scientology, the posting of which by his "wife" on PA had led to their unceremonious exit. But, with all the shenanigans going on in the spring of '15, my memory might not be accurate.

Edit

I dug back through my email and found it.

Ahhh...no, I remember getting a lengthy (but it 7 page, more like 2 or 3) psych profile with Kerri included. He also gave me the financial stuff Aragon is talking about. I can't remember a "dossier"...but I thought the "other" William Ryan stuff was what our friend found, mostly higher OT-higher than whatever LRon went up to-levels made by a freezoner...which BR denies being, but I didn't think we vetted this other guy?

Bill is definitely aware of that other BR stuff so I think this "dossier" is different

What do you think of my point that being afraid of the realese of your "file" is something that someone with "sterling integrity" might welcome (or at least not fear)? How could a "friend of the truth" worry about someone hanging that over their head?

Fred Steeves
2nd May 2017, 16:58
...then the real fun began, eh? The lil lady here got all p!ssy at TOT's alleged "censorship" (I believe on non-CG related matters?) and the roving lost forum tribe began its endless journey through the alternative deserts, with troll in tow sh!tting in every oasis we stopped at, good times!! I wrote about (and pointed to) it here: http://openuptoday.freeforums.net/thread/14/reflections-on-imaginative-world


Brother that was definitely a wild ride, I learned a lot from that little magical mystery tour as well.

donk
2nd May 2017, 17:14
Heh, reading more of what PL linked to, I would think BR would be inclined to take credit for creating high level freezone technology

Her beef about him worrying about the entities attached to OT3 I can confirm (with evidence if i felt like digging, which I don't, so ya gotta take my word for it...or not)...and I again urge anyone curious enough to try it for themselves. http://openuptoday.freeforums.net/thread/5/lrons-ot3-viewing-cause-harm

You will either get the special treatment/protection I did (he was concerned my irresponsibly exposing peeps to it may have brought on my MS symptoms)---Or who knows? Maybe he's changed?but post that thing up over there to find out

Stranger things have happened....I am not his enemy, I think it would be an educational (for all...maybe even him) exercise

donk
2nd May 2017, 17:21
I think it'd be cool to have a huge dossier on me while enjoyed living outside the country...and would think it would add "cred" as a researcher.

It would make sense for Corey to release the "ugly" of it but not give him the ego boost that the FBI cared that much about him

donk
2nd May 2017, 17:54
Anyway the reason why I brought up the OT3 experiment is to explain my most disillusion with the place as a whole

It's supposed to be where science and spirituality meet. I remember it being a place where people "bravely" explored the "hidden" knowledge.

I can understand not allowing posting of likenesses of Mohammed to avoid the hassle, it would not be worth it. I can even stretch that to protect the sacred document out of all the Scientology tech.

But if you (like I had hard believing HE) believe that it is truly dangerous, but as he mentioned the "best wizards" were on it, working on exorcizing the important tech from all its entity infestation...it should be your duty to at least warn ALL your followers...I mean why should I be the only one with his wisdom that it woulda saved me an attack (even though it was after the fact)?

That's what kills me about his character, which I am sure his followers would see me as attacking. But I'm all seriousness, I respect everyone's beliefs. At least at the time, I felt it would be the leader of that "truth" site's RESPONSIBILITY to warn his flock of this important Intel he has. And what better place? I mean that was what I thought the purpose of PC and PA actually were?

That of course was buoyed with the fact he thought he could hide his marriage to Christine secret...that was the first thing that set off my red flags. On a site that discusses super-secret intel, what protection is offered by not being open about what is public friggin record. It's an insult to follower's intelligence, or should be...sure was to me

Again: this ain't an attack on his character, it's my sharing my truth of it, in hopes that maybe someone that finds value in that platform actually question their participation, if not actively try to hold it's leader accountable

Especially while he's engaging in this "case study" of what's wrong with alt media. It's as ironic as his appearance in Mirage Men IMO

PurpleLama
2nd May 2017, 19:34
A file could contain all sorts of material of questionable provenance, but information whether true or not has its tendency to go viral when related to our alt media celebrities. So, no, I wouldn't expect someone to want a file as such to be released, at least not without the chance to create the appropriate disclaimers.

donk
2nd May 2017, 19:50
Yeah I get it. But you know me...I have no delusions there's a such thing as "information security". I personally wanna know what anyone else has on me...especially secretive agencies

If someone wants to find you bad enough and you have any kind of internet presence, let alone even a modest level of fame, they will

And if ya run a "truth" site and you have something to hide, somebody should

PurpleLama
2nd May 2017, 20:33
http://sitsshow.blogspot.ca/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html?m=1#more

DouchET responds to BR....

Outlander
3rd May 2017, 02:26
So what do they look like, those blue Avians?
http://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/blue-avian-image-information-about-upcoming-updates.html

Cool haircut!

What really interests me is their culture, in a sense of: do they make music, do they write books, do they have museums? I mean making up a story about bluish birds with an attitude is not so hard, but making it believable?

A Blue Avian opera would be a good start, Corey.

modwiz
3rd May 2017, 03:02
So what do they look like, those blue Avians?
http://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/blue-avian-image-information-about-upcoming-updates.html

Cool haircut!

What really interests me is their culture, in a sense of: do they make music, do they write books, do they have museums? I mean making up a story about bluish birds with an attitude is not so hard, but making it believable?

A Blue Avian opera would be a good start, Corey.

Go ahead and thank a post. Not so hard.:)

donk
3rd May 2017, 03:57
I personally applaud you outlander, do it once then you're almost obligated to do it again. There's always the danger of sending the wrong message, to someone...somehow. I'm jealous

modwiz
3rd May 2017, 06:15
I personally applaud you outlander, do it once then you're almost obligated to do it again. There's always the danger of sending the wrong message, to someone...somehow. I'm jealous

I would be frustrated without the thanks button. I really am a big mush inside. If I withhold a thanks, that is the message. However, threads that do not interest me or posts I might have missed do leave things up to misinterpretation. The World is not perfect and it is not meant to be. Being our best is good enough for me. If someone does not thank a post of mine, I notice but, not knowing how or why it was withheld, don't make shit up either:ha:

Outlander
3rd May 2017, 08:42
Originally Posted by donk
I personally applaud you outlander, do it once then you're almost obligated to do it again. There's always the danger of sending the wrong message, to someone...somehow. I'm jealous


Originally Posted by Modwiz
I would be frustrated without the thanks button. I really am a big mush inside. If I withhold a thanks, that is the message. However, threads that do not interest me or posts I might have missed do leave things up to misinterpretation. The World is not perfect and it is not meant to be. Being our best is good enough for me. If someone does not thank a post of mine, I notice but, not knowing how or why it was withheld, don't make shit up either

I read your posts with this track buzzing in my brain...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6czb8sN3lHk

Beautiful piece of music from a truly brilliant album - 'A Wizard, a True Star' by Todd Rundgren, recorded on an 8-track tape recorder. One of the five albums I would choose to bring with me to an uninhabited island. 'Dubnobasswithmyheadman' (Underworld) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwRMLpxjt58&list=PLyk1c4goKVXDYoCmZ0B2dBr4xC6ntITue would be another one.

Nevermind.

When I came here there was a bit of a quarrel going on between y'all, so I decided to have no part in the 'thank you' competition - which I thought was the fastest way to draw some attention and make some kind of statement. I also visited GLP in those days, where I was banned but still maintained a couple of ***** 50.000+ threads, so I had a bit of a stuck up nose. :whstl:

And by the way, I do thank people but I prefer to do that in a post.

So THANK YOU MODWIZ and YOU too, DONK!

Elen
3rd May 2017, 08:44
I would be frustrated without the thanks button. I really am a big mush inside. If I withhold a thanks, that is the message. However, threads that do not interest me or posts I might have missed do leave things up to misinterpretation. The World is not perfect and it is not meant to be. Being our best is good enough for me. If someone does not thank a post of mine, I notice but, not knowing how or why it was withheld, don't make shit up either:ha:

You're a good man...:D

Outlander
3rd May 2017, 08:58
And THANK YOU TOO ELEN!!!

The new thread Bill R. started on Avalon about Corey Good(ET) is a real 'Thank You' jerker. And I bet you'll be in little-big trouble when you don't thank Bill R. regularly - who is a kind of (Half)God to his Avalonian disciples.

As if there weren't enough threads already at Avalon, on the 'GoodET affair'. :yawn:

Elen
3rd May 2017, 09:22
And THANK YOU TOO ELEN!!!

The new thread Bill R. started on Avalon about Corey Good(ET) is a real 'Thank You' jerker. And I bet you'll be in little-big trouble when you don't thank Bill R. regularly - who is a kind of (Half)God to his Avalonian disciples.

As if there weren't enough threads already at Avalon, on the 'GoodET affair'. :yawn:

Don't worry Outlander...you are cool and we are jealous of it...:cool:

modwiz
3rd May 2017, 09:25
As soon as private conversations get out out, my stomach turns.:vom:


I read your posts with this track buzzing in my brain...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6czb8sN3lHk

And by the way, I do thank people but I prefer to do that in a post.

So THANK YOU MODWIZ and YOU too, DONK!

I like your style.:tiphat:

Fred Steeves
3rd May 2017, 11:05
CG went from sticking up for Br and PA (by coming after me (and anyone who questioned his or PA's integrity) publicly, then "silverphoenix" (who many theorized wasn't ALWAYS his wife, that he was posting with it) freaked out in the same exact vain (but not nearly as eloquent a way) as I did when I first discovered: they tried to expose his belief in the danger of OTIII - LRon's sh!tty chickenscratch creation story.

When I did it (and how I suggest anyone wanting to try the experiment, prove me a liar) was posting it up on PA for discussion. Back in those days, even malc would take it down when I tested him by coming here. It was some time earlier than Corey's emergence that I was doing that...back when that goofy jiminii dude was captivating a portion of the forum

I can't remember silverphoenix actually doing that or if "she" did and it gotten taken down real quick...I just remember that by the time I saw the post it was "censored" and she was freaking out in writing that repulsed me the way goodETxSG posts did.

Phil, remember this thread at the height of Super Scientologist Jiminii's protected popularity? Well anyway, your posting of Hubbard's OT 3 material is still up for public view. I read it again, still no ill effects. :) Go to page 4, post #72.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59276-Q-and-A-about-Ron-Hubbard-Bill-Robertson-Scientology-the-Free-Zone-and-Ron-s-Org

PurpleLama
3rd May 2017, 11:24
And THANK YOU TOO ELEN!!!

The new thread Bill R. started on Avalon about Corey Good(ET) is a real 'Thank You' jerker. And I bet you'll be in little-big trouble when you don't thank Bill R. regularly - who is a kind of (Half)God to his Avalonian disciples.

As if there weren't enough threads already at Avalon, on the 'douchET affair'. :yawn:

There, I fixed it.

donk
3rd May 2017, 11:35
This little gem by the former mod, is like a mirror looking at another mirror, neither able to see their reflections (vampire mirrors? :hilarious:)...the line between irony and hypocracy is pretty blurry:


Indeed, a great case study. One tactic used to deceive or mislead is for one party to outright accuse another of doing what THEY are doing. For example,, Corey refers openly to Bill's work as a "UFO RELIGION".. isn't that clever? I would love to hear Corey justify that in the slightest. Especially in contrast to his own work as a self proclaimed Savior.

Next,, my apologies,, but Corey does NOT get to call someone out about providing Proof For An Extraordinary Claim. That is a forehead slapper... The best evidence to date of anything he has ever claimed is a LinkedIn profile. Again accuse others of what you are definitely guilty of..

Corey used Avalon as a launch pad to create his BRAND, and has been SELLING it since. Period


If one can't see that then one should look again.

Jake.

I'm looking again brother...maybe there's other angles "one" can see it from :eyebrows:

Dreamtimer
3rd May 2017, 12:01
So what do they look like, those blue Avians?
http://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/blue-avian-image-information-about-upcoming-updates.html

Cool haircut!

What really interests me is their culture, in a sense of: do they make music, do they write books, do they have museums? I mean making up a story about bluish birds with an attitude is not so hard, but making it believable?

A Blue Avian opera would be a good start, Corey.

Be sure to review "La Colombe" first so that any new opera won't be confused...http://st.depositphotos.com/1011480/3013/v/170/depositphotos_30134323-stock-illustration-flying-dove-vector-llustration-realistic.jpg

Aianawa
3rd May 2017, 12:02
Believing, lol, find out what the greatest desire a person has, ask them to for a minute totally believe this will not be and who are they now now that this is. One will also soon find out the next thing syndrome. Good to do with oneself first.

donk
3rd May 2017, 12:13
Phil, remember this thread at the height of Super Scientologist Jiminii's protected popularity? Well anyway, your posting of Hubbard's OT 3 material is still up for public view. I read it again, still no ill effects. :) Go to page 4, post #72.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59276-Q-and-A-about-Ron-Hubbard-Bill-Robertson-Scientology-the-Free-Zone-and-Ron-s-Org

No ill effects eh? Lucky you....and the rest of the forum. Must kill him to have that tech just hanging out there for anyone to be harmed, he must have figured it was buried well enough to not draw much attention. His diversion of an answer to my questions was pretty top notch, until I pressed him.

Guess the entities only get ya when you make a thread about it. Brief exposure is ok, but deep concentration before you're ready will give you MS....or so he'd have me believe.

That was when I was on board the "censorship" train, and thought it was unfathomable that he'd delete a thread for any reason. I guess the point I keep hammering at, is not to make fun of him for believing it to, but like in my last post...it's the projection that bugs the sh!t of me.

He's gonna call me irresponsible for posting it, I think he's irresponsible for not warning the ignorant masses of the entities and dangers it's infested with.

Which brings the discussion back around to why I think studying this here BR "case study" of what he thinks the problems in the "community" are...is in ITSELF an interesting (fractally) case study that highlights what I think is wrong: the enabling most of give to these "authorities" to tell their truth based on our perception of their integrity...especially when the reality they are creating "resonates" with us

Bill Ryan should not be considered an unbiased objective authority on the situation, just because he's been (publicly) caught in less lies than Corey. Corey shouldn't be for more obvious reasons. I sure as hell shouldn't, and am not claiming to be. My bias is heavily influenced on my experiences...so I share them.

The conglomaration of all the data that anyone that experienced it should be put together. I know mine is not perfect, which is why I put it up for feedback:

-Bill made a big huge hub-bub about a new super secret whistle blower, after a pattern of his platform being used for such productions Charles and 12D Inelia and Simon, not to mention the Serpo predecessor.
-He actively used his authority to make his flock pretend to not know who he was, as if he was some new guy with no background out of nowhere. We weren't allowed to use that he constantly signed posts with before he was "secret"
-DW was doing interviews at the same table as Bill many moons ago, but when all of this was going down...their relationship was last thing Bill wanted to talk about

Points one and two are my biggest influencers on thinking it was BILL that used Corey for attention AT LEAST as much and probably more than Corey used Bill...but I can be wrong. MAYBE Corey just KNEW that he could use it as a successful springboard for forum fame as so many had before him...that there'd be a DW just waiting to pick up his story after he's used up poor Billy to gain the fame and cred and integrity that the Project brings. It's possible, I guess

On the Corey side:
-He proves himself to be an attention seeker
-he hangs with DW
-He's been caught in lots of lies, and his story is silly

I just can't see an angle where he's more responsible for his fame than Bill/PA are...and if he is, he's some "master chess player" using Bill (who some people think is some kind of good chess player), Bill is out there claiming to be a victim (yet again) with this recent production. In some vacuum he has NO responsibility for. And now is getting attention for making it a "case study"....how "Mirage Men" is that? Ah what a fractally reality

And the worst is his fans just eat it up, forgive/ignore/deny the "bad" and "ugly" for all the "good" he is bringing. ENABLING 101 folks, I'm not blaming Bill for that major problem in the alt media...he ain't the problem, he's dime-a-dozen...but for these seemingly intelligent people heaping praise on the wonderful things he's doing

We gotta find a way to start holding "authorities" accountable en masse...of course it starts with self. I'm doing my part to put out my view. More people, especially those who disagree, I think should chime in, at least for me to refine my thoughts on the matter. Only attempt at "doing"...working toward some solution...that I can think of.

Dreamtimer
3rd May 2017, 12:17
DoucheET :ttr:

There's a theme song for that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W---irvlbpo

donk
3rd May 2017, 12:55
....because the reality created is more often than not less attractive the "truth" it is supposed to clarify

I love letting Bill be "right" in this case. It is an excellent case study that attention should be brought to for those that care about the community and the subjects it discusses

But you have to look a little deeper than the surface he creates, to see the implications of it.

IF Corey did use Bill (like Charles and all before him), how can any scenario he is involved in allow him to maintain favor and the appearance of integrity to anyone? Especially those have gone through so many cycles with him?

The thing he is actually good at is controlling those loops, keeping "high quality" people as he likes to call them (ENABLERS, as I like to think I once was) on the hook.

It's syncronistic that this comes to light when I finally believed I COULD actually break the loops in my own personal relationship. I stayed in it (enabled) longer than I wanted to (after I recognized the nature of the game) with my knowledge that I could never change her, and since it seemed like the best situation that I could hope for given our circumstances, I tried to make myself only look at the positive and excuse and rationalize the abuse.

In this scenario, the relationship does not need to have any material impact on the participants' lives. It's an Internet forum, which I feel is best used as lessons that can be applied to real life. With my relationship to Avalon, when I recognized my responsibility as enabler, after conceding defeat when trying to directly change him in the way I felt was more healthy for everybody, I made myself unbearable to the point of being thrown out

Unfortunately in real life, my babe was as in love with the relationship as she was/is with me. It was more difficult to sever the relationship because she didn't have any others to provide the energy I put in. So approaching this problem is different in that sense...rather than convincing the reality creator that they should change their ways, I try to show those stuck in (and feeding energy to enablement of) this reality how it seems different than what they seem to say they think it is.

Aragorn
3rd May 2017, 12:58
[...]

Which brings the discussion back around to why I think studying this here BR "case study" of what he thinks the problems in the "community" are...is in ITSELF an interesting (fractally) case study that highlights what I think is wrong: the enabling most of give to these "authorities" to tell their truth based on our perception of their integrity...especially when the reality they are creating "resonates" with us

Bill Ryan should not be considered an unbiased objective authority on the situation, just because he's been (publicly) caught in less lies than Corey. Corey shouldn't be for more obvious reasons. [...]

It is both my experience and my impression that when Corey tells untruths, then he doesn't actually realize that. I've said it higher up already and I'll say it again: we've had a member here — well, technically, she still is, albeit that she hasn't been around in a very long time — who is herself a MILAB victim, and who corroborates that Corey's symptoms of mixing truth with fantasy is indicative of someone who has had their minds messed with in MILAB experiments, and that these symptoms are indeed very similar to schizophrenia.

In other words, when Corey lies, he's doing it while believing his own lies. And that brings me to the question, "What's Bill Ryan's excuse for lying, other than that he's an utterly self-serving manipulator and narcissist?"


The conglomaration of all the data that anyone that experienced it should be put together. I know mine is not perfect, which is why I put it up for feedback:

-Bill made a big huge hub-bub about a new super secret whistle blower, after a pattern of his platform being used for such productions Charles and 12D Inelia and Simon, not to mention the Serpo predecessor.
-He actively used his authority to make his flock pretend to not know who he was, as if he was some new guy with no background out of nowhere. We weren't allowed to use that he constantly signed posts with before he was "secret"
-DW was doing interviews at the same table as Bill many moons ago, but when all of this was going down...their relationship was last thing Bill wanted to talk about

Points one and two are my biggest influencers on thinking it was BILL that used Corey for attention AT LEAST as much and probably more than Corey used Bill...but I can be wrong. MAYBE Corey just KNEW that he could use it as a successful springboard for forum fame as so many had before him...that there'd be a DW just waiting to pick up his story after he's used up poor Billy to gain the fame and cred and integrity that the Project brings. It's possible, I guess

On the Corey side:
-He proves himself to be an attention seeker
-he hangs with DW
-He's been caught in lots of lies, and his story is silly

I just can't see an angle where he's more responsible for his fame than Bill/PA are...and if he is, he's some "master chess player" using Bill (who some people think is some kind of good chess player), Bill is out there claiming to be a victim (yet again) with this recent production.

Yes, it's becoming quite a habit, isn't it? Poor old Bill, everyone's always out to get him. Let's all make a donation to Project Avalon, so he can buy a new hat. :ha: :hilarious:

Outlander
3rd May 2017, 13:01
Originally Posted by Outlander
And THANK YOU TOO ELEN!!!

The new thread Bill R. started on Avalon about Corey Good(ET) is a real 'Thank You' jerker. And I bet you'll be in little-big trouble when you don't thank Bill R. regularly - who is a kind of (Half)God to his Avalonian disciples.

As if there weren't enough threads already at Avalon, on the 'douchET affair'. :yawn:


There, I fixed it.

Okay, okay, THANK YOU PURPLE LAMA

:chrs:

Fred Steeves
3rd May 2017, 13:32
I just can't see an angle where he's more responsible for his fame than Bill/PA are...and if he is, he's some "master chess player" using Bill (who some people think is some kind of good chess player), then Bill is admitting to being the victim (yet again) with this recent production.

And his fans just eat it up, forgive/ignore/deny the "bad" and "ugly" for all the "good" he is bringing. ENABLING 101 folks, I'm not blaming Bill for that major problem in the alt media...he ain't the problem, he's dime-a-dozen. We gotta find a way to start holding "authorities" accountable en masse...of course it starts with self.

It's been down to victim yet again vs. good chess player for some time now hasn't it? Either he's really good at what he does which is of course what I think, or after all these decades of intense experience and research he's *still* gullible enough to be burned by an ever growing list of story tellers.

The Project Serpo (yet another Project) space opera was no less evidence free and fantastical than Corey's space opera. We had the astronaut exchange program with the Ebens from Planet Serpo in the Zeta Reticuli star system, it's double sun, Jesus was really an Eben, and wallah we have the same old song and dance. But hey it put Bill on the map with the help of radio host Jerry Pippen, just as Wilcock helped put Corey on the map (after Bill's nudge in the right direction).

Talking about this generally comes across as beating a dead horse, except the exact same phenomena continues to manifest to this very day, usually by the very same general group of people. You're right this is much less about Bill Ryan, than it is about recognizing patterns. Hell, you could even describe them as patterns of abuse the way continue to mind f**k the curious.

Here's a different as above as below aspect I see in play here: Once people latch onto an idea about someone or something, seldom do they ever consider taking another look at it to make sure it's correct. To reassess things might make them wrong, and expel a belief that makes them comfortable to hang on to. It's that way with Bill's little cult following, and it was that way with, let's say, Obama voters. No matter what, even if he helps rape Libya that allows Al Qaida unfettered access, he's still a livhtworker trying to do the right thing behind the scenes.

Or, what about the current Trump fans and supporters? Same thing, just the Right wing of the same damn bird. Don't worry folks, things are not as they appear. He really is that knight in shining armor, just give him more time.

Ten years from now the same people will adore Bill, as will adore Obama, as will adore Trump. This is psychology 101, human nature, and from everything I see it is purposely exploited for all it's worth.

donk
3rd May 2017, 13:35
I mean, now he's trying to use post-Avalon as a case study for "what's wrong with 'research' et al", when ignoring the actual history (recorded...this is not some mystery, peeps point to it in that friggin thread)

Someone pointed to the 2010 thread about "solar warden" that Bill got so excited about (and was the first posts I ever saw that Bill did not get "thanks" :o)
GoodETxSG was a "prominent poster" prior to Corey's fame that spoke primarily about his "inside information" on solar warden
Instead of looking at it in a detached, researchy way...he literally turned his "popular" poster into a super-secret whistleblower

Even if you seperate this incident out from his habit/pattern/cycle of doing this, as would be EXTREMELY easy for anyone coming in bright eyed and bushy tailed at the beginning (or later) in the game....the dude (and the joint) is sposta be about real research and vetting AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO OFF THAT THREAD or the very few links on it to do it.

No "evidence" is necessary to scan the 2010 thread and find Bill enamoured with the idea of the SSP. I guess you would need to do some cursory researching looking at goodET's old posts to see that was about all he posted about

Maybe the link to all the build up and eventual first postings of the "SUPER SECRET WHISTLEBLOWER" is not actually on the thread, but what reality has to be in your head to be able to imagine Corey using Avalon to bank on his story? If you accept that on Bill and company's word, what does it say about his platform that it can be used that way?

*cough* um maybe TOT comes in to play a little bit here :blsh: ...we need to own our own part in this, and I believe we have to the extent we can--I don't think too many peeps can say "TOT created Corey" or even malc or aragorn would deny Corey totally used this place and it got a lot of attention in the process.

But lessons were learned and no one came out with any kind of authority (except maybe me, basking in the glory of my half dozen thanks) and responsibly passing on the participation/membership/attention it could have brought us if we allowed him to continue to "use us". Of the remainders that actually cared to give the whole fiasco any attention, it ceratinly wasn't "leadership/authority" here that boosted discussion of it into the limelight other than to inform the forum of their reality...it's schmucks like me, who as cheekily described benefit in only moderate personal gain.

Anyway...this isn't really getting as "far afield" as it seems: I'm bringing it up because I think pointing out Bill's huge lies of omission (or as my babe explains it if it done "innocently" as 'selective memory' as she claims to have been diagnosed with) can be what differentiates us...we need to make sure none of the "warts" of the situation that may make us look bad are all out there and thoroughly hashed out for integrity's sake...if any do go beyond my quick two paragraph high level summation.

It's funny Fred brings up that thread of Bill's scientological beliefs....I shared my perception that the OT3 is a sort of "creation story" for the religion, his reply was "no it is not" or something just as brief and dismissive. He obviously doesn't think the Corey creation story is important either...but hopefully more peeps that go where "science and spirituality meet" will do some "A1" integrity research on it

donk
3rd May 2017, 13:42
Well Fred, I'm living testimony that people can change. Not just in my personal relationship (which was epic) or my politics views (which was intense)...but in this arena (which is fun and educational...though back in the day was pretty traumatic)

And unrelated, this killed me:


The Project Serpo (yet another Project) space opera was no less evidence free and fantastical than Corey's space opera. We had the astronaut exchange program with the Ebens from Planet Serpo in the Zeta Reticuli star system, it's double sun, Jesus was really an Eben, and wallah we have the same old song and dance. But hey it put Bill on the map with the help of radio host Jerry Pippen, just as Wilcock helped put Corey on the map (after Bill's nudge in the right direction).

I have the Serpo graphic novel, when I "chanced" upon to it on the clearance rack at a second hand store. I hear the "Shere Being Alliance" one is in production, can't wait to add it to my collection :hilarious:

donk
3rd May 2017, 13:51
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51T6-NQsd1L.jpg

I can't upload photo's from my ipad or phone and don't feel like messing with my pain in the @ss computer, so on a lark I hoped to find an image of the intro Bill did for the graphic novel....well I didn't find it, but what I DID made me chuckle:

IMDB for the 2017 movie was what popped on the search!!! It is in pre-production so you have to go to IMDBpro or whatever their pay subscription is to get details, though maybe it won't take too much research....just thought I'd share. Nothing is an accident :hilarious:

They love to laugh at the toothless Spanish speaking dude howl with laughter at the flat earth theory, but probably think I'm a d!ck for doing the same at the thought of the Serpo clown Corey creator being the authority of the debunking of the bluebirds. :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

How in the hell did I ever get myself into this goofy @ss reality :belief:

Dreamtimer
3rd May 2017, 14:13
donk, you said,


No "evidence" is necessary to scan the 2010 thread and find Bill enamoured with the idea of the SSP.

I was thinking just that. There's some kind of 'given' or starting point assumption that these episodes flow from. There is an SSP and there are SuperSoldier whistleblowers. Add in the sense of personal importance and 'special' discernment and it's a perfect formula.

Aragorn
3rd May 2017, 14:36
I mean, now he's trying to use post-Avalon as a case study for "what's wrong with 'research' et al", when ignoring the actual history (recorded...this is not some mystery, peeps point to it in that friggin thread)

Someone pointed to the 2010 thread about "solar warden" that Bill got so excited about (and was the first posts I ever saw that Bill did not get "thanks" :o)

As I remember, Kerry Cassidy also had her mouth full about Solar Warden at the time, albeit without knowing what Solar Warden was supposed to be. But she would regularly throw it out on the table in interviews as a question for the interviewee. I'm pretty sure that's where I myself first heard about it.


GoodETxSG was a "prominent poster" prior to Corey's fame that spoke primarily about his "inside information" on solar warden
Instead of looking at it in a detached, researchy way...he literally turned his "popular" poster into a super-secret whistleblower

[...]

Maybe the link to all the build up and eventual first postings of the "SUPER SECRET WHISTLEBLOWER" is not actually on the thread, but what reality has to be in your head to be able to imagine Corey using Avalon to bank on his story? If you accept that on Bill and company's word, what does it say about his platform that it can be used that way?

Unreliable at best, and suspect at worst. Personally I'm still divided between Bill's woo-woo factor and Fred's conspiracy theory. :) :ninja: :eyebrows:


*cough* um maybe TOT comes in to play a little bit here :blsh: ...we need to own our own part in this, and I believe we have to the extent we can--I don't think too many peeps can say "TOT created Corey" or even malc or aragorn would deny Corey totally used this place and it got a lot of attention in the process.

That is pretty much how it happened, yes. And for the record, I wish to state very clearly that Corey was not getting any preferential treatment while he was a member here. I was still only a purple moderator at the time (and a super moderator later) but I know for a fact that all we really did was try (very hard) to keep Corey and the Ruiner groupies out of each other's hair. To no avail, I might add.


:fpalm:

One could of course ponder the question whether Corey would still have been a member of The One Truth today if he hadn't been hounded 24/7 by the Ruiner groupies — quite a fanatic cult in and of itself, and far more abrasive than Corey's own groupies ever were, because generally speaking, the latter were rather well-behaved.

As I gather, Corey was already negotiating with David Wilcock from before he ever joined up here at The One Truth, and that in itself was already months before I myself ever joined up here, so maybe his residence here was either way bound to be of a temporary nature. One thing I can tell you with certainty, though: the staff of The One Truth already knew Corey was on his way out at least a whole month before he actually left the forum. Even though he kept on posting "updates" — read: advertising for his appearances on Gaia, as well as on Michael Salla's and other shows — he had already requested that his Q&A thread be closed long before he left here.

Did Corey use The One Truth? You bet he did. Did he use Project Avalon? Not really, and certainly not to the same extent as he used The One Truth. Until of course Bill Ryan started marketing Corey. Even Christine Anderson — who conducted the first interview with Corey — didn't agree with Bill Ryan's sensationalist decision to shove Corey into the spotlight. Christine considered (and probably still considers) Corey a very badly traumatized person whose testimonies to her were nothing other than the processing of his traumas.

And then there's David Wilcock. His own ego issues aside, he's as much in love with the Ra material as Bill Ryan is with Scientology — not to mention that Wilcock would like to believe that he's the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce — and in his own woo-woo regarding the Ra material, he started equating Corey's blue avians with Ra. Quite obviously, this has influenced Corey's delusions and so from then on, Corey started coming up with individual names for these blue avians that all start with the prefix "Raw-".

Myself, I tend to agree with Christine Anderson's opinion of Corey, which is that Corey is a very badly damaged person in need of healing. And maybe to Corey, living out his delusions is his way of dealing with what happened to him, even though it is without a shred of doubt the wrong way toward recovery — if anything, it buries him only deeper into the mess that the military-industrial complex has made of his mind. But Bill Ryan and David Wilcock have both opportunistically capitalized on Corey's delusions and put Corey in the limelight, and both of them did it for the same reasons: shamelessly opportunistic narcissism combined with their own woo-woo and lack of discernment.

It isn't Bill Ryan who is the victim here, nor is it David Wilcock. The real victim in this situation — as hard as it may be for some of you to accept this — is Corey Goode himself. And Corey probably won't see it that way, because he's still high on birdseed and he truly believes that he would be the chosen emissary of some enlightened species from 9th density or whatever it's supposed to be. So in the end, I guess it's a mixed blessing for Corey that he doesn't realize that he's still living a mind game that in the long run is only going to damage him more than he already was.

donk
3rd May 2017, 15:21
Yeah I would have to be as close as you or Christine were to be able to really agree with that, though I have no reason to disagree

For clarity: I don't suggest bill is an actual victim, I am suggesting the way I see the situation (he lays out) and the implications of it...he's creating the appearance of victimhood in this case

And the real victims that can/should change are those that can't seem to see clearly that may be the truth, and direct their energy toward enabling it

Aragorn
3rd May 2017, 15:40
Yeah I would have to be as close as you or Christine were to be able to really agree with that, though I have no reason to disagree

For clarity: I don't suggest bill is an actual victim, I am suggesting the way I see the situation (he lays out) and the implications of it...he's creating the appearance of victimhood in this case

I agree.


And the real victims that can/should change are those that can't seem to see clearly that may be the truth, and direct their energy toward enabling it

Sad but true. And that, my friend, is how evil thrives in this world: the parasites pretend to be the victims of the ones they prey upon, while the true victims themselves can't find any help at escaping that which they are the victims of.

Aragorn
3rd May 2017, 16:07
And the Corey-bashing at Project Avalon is far from over yet, folks. The Man With The Hat™ is on a mission. Check this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97487-Personality-marketing-in-the-alternative-media) out!




:fpalm:

NotAPretender
3rd May 2017, 18:14
I've been watching the Corey Goode/David Wilcock thing on my tv (youtube) for the last few weeks. I have to admit that it is fascinating but highly unlikely that any of it is true. One of the subtle hooks that these speakers always use is the appeal to the narcissist in all of us. (i.e. if you are listening to this you MUST be special...that one always gets me, until I calm down anyway).

I have always wondered what motivates such people. Are they driven by rampant imagination, sociopathy, a career in disinformation (but what is the purpose of that). One can use such skills to either write science fiction or talk science fiction to people that cannot tell the difference between science and fiction.

Can anyone be really believed? One of things that has frustrated me for so long...there is just too much b*llsh*t.

Outlander
3rd May 2017, 18:30
And the Corey-bashing at Project Avalon is far from over yet, folks. The Man With The Hat™ is on a mission. Check this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97487-Personality-marketing-in-the-alternative-media) out!


Cut my legs off and call me Shorty, but in my book this is free advertisement.



Originally posted by Bill R. (in Project Avalon)
This morning, US time (and late at night in Australia, because the earth is round...

Djieiezzz!!! What a post! Get a life Billy-boy! (And learn rule no. 1 in Thread Land: The longer your post, the less people will read it!)

Or has he got himself a new secretary perhaps? :whstl:

btw, the Earth is flat!

btw ARAGORN, THANX for all your work here!

Dracon
3rd May 2017, 18:36
Being criticized by a man claiming to be an angel on their first incarnation, really does not hurt my feelings much ;) or mean anything at all.

Very sad state of the world that this is making another round, and all the same characters are wasting time discussing it. But hey... whatcha gonna do, eh? lol Here I am having a laugh at the forum and (most) it's members, so I guess I can't say much.


Corey was posting the same thing I did regarding what he said (AKA- The screen shot in question). Revisionist memories at their best. Glad to see some of you helping him out.


Still haven't deleted this account despite my request? Hmmmm... Telling ;)

donk
3rd May 2017, 18:55
Being criticized by a man claiming to be an angel on their first incarnation, really does not hurt my feelings much ;) or mean anything at all.

Very sad state of the world that this is making another round, and all the same characters are wasting time discussing it. But hey... whatcha gonna do, eh? lol Here I am having a laugh at the forum and (most) it's members, so I guess I can't say much.


Corey was posting the same thing I did regarding what he said (AKA- The screen shot in question). Revisionist memories at their best. Glad to see some of you helping him out.


Still haven't deleted this account despite my request? Hmmmm... Telling ;)

Hey hey!! Hope you are well!

I personally split my time wasting between this and the Book...just can't help myself. My form of "partying". Cmon, you thought it was fun once, too...no?

Join the party? ...or do what BR & CG like to make people think they do...make the world a better place?

Outlander
3rd May 2017, 19:09
Hey hey!! Hope you are well!

I personally split my time wasting between this and the Book...just can't help myself. My form of "partying". Cmon, you thought it was fun once, too...no?

Join the party? ...or do what BR & CG like to make people think they do...make the world a better place?

Well, Bill's rant drew unexpected visitors - Senior Members, by all means - (back) to TOT.

Also practitioners - like me, (a black belt) of the extraterrestrial martial art Tai Ming perhaps? Or just a coincidence?

Aragorn
3rd May 2017, 20:04
Being criticized by a man claiming to be an angel on their first incarnation, really does not hurt my feelings much ;) or mean anything at all.

Well well, look who's here. :rolleyes:

That's a pretty low shot, Shane, even for you. I can say the same thing about a man who claims that at the age of 13, he taught Vladimir Putin all about telepathy on board of a spaceship, or that he regularly entertains conversations with 1'000-year-old vampires and extraterrestrial giants who have been buried in mounds. Or that he's the favorite son of Anu, the Great White King of the Alpha Draconis reptilians — funny though, because I thought his favorite son was a British politician-annex-driving-instructor in his fifties.

Shall I stop here, Shane, or do you want me to mention your propensity for doing unspeakable things to bananas in front of a camera as well? Or that it was you who told your groupies that I would be an artificial intelligence, just because I know how to use a spell checker? :rolleyes:

The big difference between you and I, Shane, is that I am not a storyteller. I'm not trying to be a celebrity, and I don't profile myself as a messiah or a messenger of any sorts. I'm just an ordinary guy, and my primary concern here on the forum is to run this place in the spirit of what Malc intended when he started it — something that my predecessors were unfortunately not always very good at.


Very sad state of the world that this is making another round, and all the same characters are wasting time discussing it.

It was Bill Ryan over at Project Avalon who once again felt the need to make himself look better by living out his vindictiveness against Corey Goode. We here didn't start this. But if our members want to discuss that matter, then that's their prerogative.

As you may (or may not) have noticed, the name of this forum category is The Watchdog, and its purpose is to discuss so-called whistleblowers, insiders, researchers, information brokers, and their material.

The Watchdog category is also linked to an invite-only community group in which an investigative team looks at the evidence (or absence thereof) regarding the extraordinary claims made by "alt community" celebrities, as well as interesting or intriguing aspects regarding the conduct of such people, so that we can warn our members before they get suckered into the honey-covered stories of yet another wannabe "alt community messiah".

Don't worry, though. The Watchdog Task Force isn't looking into any of your claims. The team was only assembled long after you had already been outed as a storyteller, so everyone's already got the picture on your material by now. ;)


But hey... whatcha gonna do, eh? lol Here I am having a laugh at the forum and (most) it's members, so I guess I can't say much.

You can laugh all you want if it makes you feel happy, Shane. But you're no better than Corey Goode, and you know it. The biggest difference of them all is that Corey actually believes in his own phantasms, whereas you knew that you were making shit up, and you didn't give a damn about any of those (primarily female) groupies who thought of you as the second coming. You reveled in their worship while neglecting to tell them that you were only taking them for a ride.

And you weren't even all that original at it either. You looked at Simon Parkes' story, you looked at Corey's story, you looked at Stephen Hodges' story, and you shamelessly rode their coattails. And for a while you were getting away with it too, because next thing you were on radio shows and in several interviews.

Funny though that you never took us up on our offer for an interview. But then again, you knew that we knew, right?


Corey was posting the same thing I did regarding what he said (AKA- The screen shot in question). Revisionist memories at their best. Glad to see some of you helping him out.

Pot, meet kettle.


Still haven't deleted this account despite my request? Hmmmm... Telling ;)

What's more telling is that you still think you can get away with lying, because you have never requested the retirement of your account here, neither via private messages to someone on the mod team — which is the preferred and recommended way — nor on an open thread.

But I'll humor you. I shall pretend that you are now actually requesting for your account to be retired here and now, and so we'll extend you the usual 24 hours of grace time, because that's what we traditionally do around here whenever someone files such a request. If we have not heard back from you — by way of a private message — by Thursday the 4th of May 2017 at 20:00 UTC (GMT), we will retire your account. I promise.


:tiphat:

donk
3rd May 2017, 20:31
See this is why don't like the "thanks" feature

I appreciate Aragon sharing his feelings and contributing to thread, but not tone or spirit in which said post was made...how would it be interpreted if clicked it?

Also I don't like implications that could be made by my post being thanked, I was genuinely happy to hear from dracon, honestly hope he is well, and do want him to join the party...though my closing quip could be misinterpreted since it was thanked by Aragon...it was a jab at bill's "what are you doing to heal the world?" retort when he feels he's adequately responded to any criticism (and Corey's supposed intent to save the world)

Its fair to point out abuse if that's what you experienced...but serious criticisms like that are better served in a less snarky way, especially without the guise that he's still "welcome" if he chooses. If you feel strongly enough what he's done is so bad he shouldn't be here then you should boot him despite forum policy

I like happy hippy parties better than frat boy keggers, even though there's inevitably peeps I don't like at both...cmon leader, set a good example

Maggie
3rd May 2017, 20:35
The longer your post, the less people will read it!........The earth is flat.

To all intents and purposes of provincial people the shape of earth does not matter. Anyway, on the ground looking around, it cannot be known to be flat OR round. There is just no perspective. Never really going anywhere, just walking or riding a horse or driving a car from home to a geographic location (not very far away) on a pre-exiting familiar road, the earth might as well be flat. The needed ability to perceive what the layout is (whether stretched around a ball or lying on a disc) has to be from a larger context. Figuring cannot be done with NO EXPERIENCE and no theoretic knowledge of anything outside one's daily life (whether read or in pictures). People can tell you what they discovered and THAT takes extraordinary proof! This perspective is perfectly OK for a villager who will never need calculate any aspect of geographic physics.

IMO the ancients knew very well how to figure out what is what from a perspective of observing as if from "above" the earth. Ancient travellers of earth knew how to navigate the world. They used instruments that could predict their direction. Ask old fashioned mariners about the curves of earth's shape. They are able to see a widened perspective.


Though the earliest written mention of a spherical Earth comes from ancient Greek sources, there is no account of how the sphericity of the Earth was discovered.[10] A plausible explanation is that it was "the experience of travellers that suggested such an explanation for the variation in the observable altitude and the change in the area of circumpolar stars, a change that was quite drastic between Greek settlements" around the eastern Mediterranean Sea, particularly those between the Nile Delta and Crimea.[11]

Just look at the world in larger and larger contexts and more intimately and then see which model makes more sense. The map is not the territory. The fact IS, the earth round of flat cares not a hoot what is thought...she is the true shape she IS. The whole meme of flat has always "revolved" around a fundamental Christian ideology of something that may be mythic. But when not considered with metaphor, people become dogmatic and stupid IMO.

IMO in contemporary culture, the fact that people feel paranoid is fear and ignorance. Sussing the truth is much more than choosing story lines. There is layer after layer to unravel and people who cannot broaden perspectives become insular and stuck IMO. IMO the truth community could be stuck in concrete. There is very little new or vibrant when looking at forums. There is a desert of mediocre thinking and drama which goes no where. Youtubers repeat one another or post old videos as if new. The fact that people do not care to read is asking for pablum of the alt to be dispensed by favored authority.

edit... I cleaned up the post because it got wonky.

Fred Steeves
3rd May 2017, 20:50
Ha! Remember what I last said to you Shane? "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave".

Pull up a barstool while you're in town, I'll buy you a frosty cold one or three. I think you and Aragorn can learn to play nice.

Dracon
3rd May 2017, 20:50
It was no lower than your comments. You may not see the difference, but everyone else does. ;) Nice try though.

Say whatever you'd like. Everyone knows better, and your words carry only the weight of someone who is jealous his story of being an angelic being didn't get the attention Corey's did. (Or my own did)

I don't ask for donations. I don't take TV offers. I don't insist anyone follow or listen to me and I don't attack those who do not... So that makes me VERY different than Corey. I understand you probably never followed anything I put out AFTER the Ruiner Blog, but if you did, you would see I did a LOT of addressing such topics.

This "groupies" thing is just childish also. Pretty simple to see where you're coming from with that. I joked that I thought you may be an AI, but never told people you were for sure. Nor have I ever said anything negative about you besides the ridiculous tendency to call people names for doing exactly the same thing you have done since you made your debut on PA with your own "story".

Where you quoted me and replied "pot, meet kettle" not only makes zero sense, it's also false.

The Watchdog? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I can't ever respond to that delusion.

Take you up on an offer to be interviewed? Oh please... I really wish you would all grow up. Please delete my account from this forum. I will PM you as well so you have no reason to claim confusion.

Aragorn
3rd May 2017, 21:25
See this is why don't like the "thanks" feature

I appreciate Aragon [...

Aragorn. Aragon is a region in Spain. :p


...] sharing his feelings and contributing to thread, but not tone or spirit in which said post was made...how would it be interpreted if clicked it?

Also I don't like implications that could be made by my post being thanked, I was genuinely happy to hear from dracon, honestly hope he is well, and do want him to join the party...though my closing quip could be misinterpreted since it was thanked by Aragon... [...

Aragorn. Aragon is... I've already said that. :ttr:


...] it was a jab at bill's "what are you doing to heal the world?" retort when he feels he's adequately responded to any criticism (and Corey's supposed intent to save the world)

I understood that. Actually, Bill Ryan's exact words would be "What have you done today to make the world a better place?"

Amusingly enough, he would always neglect to mention what he himself had done to make the world a better place that day — maybe because he had actually made it worse that day and that he would have been hoping for you to compensate for that again. :p


Its fair to point out abuse if that's what you experienced...but serious criticisms like that are better served in a less snarky way, especially without the guise that he's still "welcome" if he chooses. If you feel strongly enough what he's done is so bad he shouldn't be here then you should boot him despite forum policy

I like happy hippy parties better than frat boy keggers, even though there's inevitably peeps I don't like at both...cmon leader, set a good example

I was only responding to a red herring disguised as a completely irrelevant attempt at an ad hominem. I am also not your leader — your leader is you! ;)

Furthermore, why would we have banned Shane? He was not in violation of any of the Forum Rules (https://jandeane81.com/announcement.php?f=&a=1), and even though Shane's followers were misbehaving grossly, he himself was always polite and correct in his communication. And he was certainly not conducting himself in any manner akin to what Simon Parkes has been (and might still be) doing over at Project Avalon.

As for setting a good example, I am extremely hard on myself — much harder than I am on anybody else — and I try setting an example every day of my life, because I demand of myself that I be the change I wish to see. And strangely enough, most of you don't even see that, or else you would all be picking up on that example.


:getcoat:

Maggie
3rd May 2017, 21:38
To all who read this who have the feeling their purpose is to save the world
That's the hook the fishers use: bait proferred.

To all who read this who have the feeling their purpose is to destroy the world
That's the line the fisher throws with hook unfurled

To all who read this who relish freedom to swim away
Save yourself and save today.
You will never save the world or destroy it
Let fishers catch you again and again
No matter, just another day gone pfffft

NotAPretender
3rd May 2017, 22:49
I was only responding to a red herring disguised as a completely irrelevant attempt at an ad hominem. I am also not your leader — your leader is you! ;)

Furthermore, why would we have banned Shane? He was not in violation of any of the Forum Rules (https://jandeane81.com/announcement.php?f=&a=1), and even though Shane's followers were misbehaving grossly, he himself was always polite and correct in his communication. And he was certainly not conducting himself in any manner akin to what Simon Parkes has been (and might still be) doing over at Project Avalon.

As for setting a good example, I am extremely hard on myself — much harder than I am on anybody else — and I try setting an example every day of my life, because I demand of myself that I be the change I wish to see. And strangely enough, most of you don't even see that, or else you would all be picking up on that example.


:getcoat:

I have complete respect for that...just wanted to let you know that I believe virtue is rewarded... :)

Don't be so cynical Maggie...We can make a difference in 'our' world...if we're lucky. Even when I do bad, I do it hoping someone can learn a lesson from it... :)

philosophical musings always get me going.

Aianawa
3rd May 2017, 22:55
What an interesting soup, the last couple of pages have simmered, fish head soup I like in the darkest of winter having enjoyed the gorn fillets in spring. What wisdom have I though finding a mirror at times and connection to the Blue, even though not all the stories via CG, DW a different fish though imo as always liked and respected him unlike Ickey where I went from yuk alarm to ooopps why did I not feel this that energy and truth, lol and it was watching Ickey and DW getting interviewed at the same time together that allowed me to start remembering/learning Ickey wise. I have tried many times to join BR and co but blocked from liting this fire, raw cold soup maybe.

Aragorn
3rd May 2017, 23:40
I'm not interested in any flame wars, and I have stated my case — serenely — in my PM reply to Shane, so I am only going to reply to one snippet from his post here.


Say whatever you'd like. Everyone knows better, and your words carry only the weight of someone who is jealous his story of being an angelic being didn't get the attention Corey's did. (Or my own did)

That claim is even more preposterous than the one that I would be an A.I. If you knew anything about me at all, then you would know that I don't crave any attention. When I spoke of my soul origins back at The House Of The Hat™, it was only so as to explain my own experiences within what I felt was an appropriate context — no more, no less. And one of the clearest differences between myself (and those like me) and other people is that I go the proverbial extra mile in everything I do.

I am however painfully aware — although this awareness has had to come to me in hindsight — that I tend to be too trusting, and that I thus also tend to give away too much information about myself. It is called "being socially naive", and it comes with being on the autism spectrum. Luckily however, I've learned from that experience, and hopefully I am a little wiser now. The sad part is of course that what goes on the Web, stays on the Web — or either way, it'll be there for a very long time still — and thus, all of our mistakes are still going to remain visible for everyone to see. And if one doesn't know the context (or pretext), then it's easy to jump to the wrong conclusions.

Either way, it is clear from who thanks my posts — or perhaps more importantly: who doesn't — that my contributions to this thread are not exactly being appreciated too much, so I will take my leave of absence from this thread. Again, I don't seek any attention, but there is a significant difference between feeling respected for one's efforts and ostensibly being made aware that one is not.



And this time, it doesn't have anything to do with people fearing repercussions over at Project Avalon. Even I am not that naive.



:flag:

NotAPretender
3rd May 2017, 23:53
it's the abusive personality that uses one's 'revelations' against them. We are surrounded by unhealthy personalities and that is the real tragedy.

I think it is our experiences that don't fit into consensus reality that make us naive in our willingness to share such, many don't have the personality development to appreciate the 'need' in others for validation. It is basic to our humanity and those not recognizing that demonstrate their failure to be fully functioning beings.

Dreamtimer
4th May 2017, 02:11
Can't get your membership accepted, Aianawa? Try that email to Bill, himself. Could be enlightening. :meditating:

Outlander
4th May 2017, 02:50
To all intents and purposes of provincial people the shape of earth does not matter. Anyway, on the ground looking around, it cannot be known to be flat OR round. There is just no perspective. Never really going anywhere, just walking or riding a horse or driving a car from home to a geographic location (not very far away) on a pre-exiting familiar road, the earth might as well be flat. The needed ability to perceive what the layout is (whether stretched around a ball or lying on a disc) has to be from a larger context. Figuring cannot be done with NO EXPERIENCE and no theoretic knowledge of anything outside one's daily life (whether read or in pictures). People can tell you what they discovered and THAT takes extraordinary proof! This perspective is perfectly OK for a villager who will never need calculate any aspect of geographic physics.

IMO the ancients knew very well how to figure out what is what from a perspective of observing as if from "above" the earth. Ancient travellers of earth knew how to navigate the world. They used instruments that could predict their direction. Ask old fashioned mariners about the curves of earth's shape. They are able to see a widened perspective.

Just look at the world in larger and larger contexts and more intimately and then see which model makes more sense. The map is not the territory. The fact IS, the earth round of flat cares not a hoot what is thought...she is the true shape she IS. The whole meme of flat has always "revolved" around a fundamental Christian ideology of something that may be mythic. But when not considered with metaphor, people become dogmatic and stupid IMO.

IMO in contemporary culture, the fact that people feel paranoid is fear and ignorance. Sussing the truth is much more than choosing story lines. There is layer after layer to unravel and people who cannot broaden perspectives become insular and stuck IMO. IMO the truth community could be stuck in concrete. There is very little new or vibrant when looking at forums. There is a desert of mediocre thinking and drama which goes no where. Youtubers repeat one another or post old videos as if new. The fact that people do not care to read is asking for pablum of the alt to be dispensed by favored authority.

edit... I cleaned up the post because it got wonky.

Words of wisdom, Maggie.

Perhaps you're already familiar with this beautiful song The Flat Earth by Thomas Dolby.
If you are, I'm sure you'd love to hear it again, but if you're not, boy are you in for a treat!
Enjoy - believe me, you will!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaMJCix5l3c

The Earth can be any shape you want it
Any shape at all
Dark and cold or bright and warm
Long or thin or small
But it's home and all I ever had
And maybe why for me the Earth is flat

And in time you'll come to understand
This flat old Earth is in your gentle hands

Outlander
4th May 2017, 09:18
Meanwhile, in this 'reality' something truly bizarre, unprecedented and totally awesome is going on.

Mind you, we have found alien life on Mars, or better perhaps, alien life found the Mars Rovers - and consider them as a food source! And no, this is no 'securityteam' video hoaxed bullsh#t story, this is the rel deal.

Life On Mars. Martian Fungi Contaminate & Corrode NASA's Rovers
Martian fungi have damaged the Mars rovers via biocorrosion. NASA tested the rover wheels under brutal conditions, at nearly 3x Mars gravity with only scratches; but once on Mars, they quickly fall apart after becoming contaminated with Martian organisms.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imcDK_NRYe8


Martian Organisms Attack, Damage Curiosity's Rover Wheels After Only 10 Miles
Rhawn Gabriel Joseph, Ph.D.
Cosmology.com
Cosmology, Vol 27, March 25, 2017

Abstract
The Rover Curiosity's aluminum wheels were designed to last hundreds of miles over rugged Martian terrain. Instead, they fell apart in less than 10 miles, while mostly sitting idle for five years, after they were colonized by Martian fungi and bacteria which began eating them from the inside out.

Martians Are Attacking the Curiosity Rover
A close inspection of the rover Curiosity wheel well interiors indicates the presence of huge colonies of whitish colored clumps of ice and fungi/bacterial masses surrounding areas of rust, cracks, tears, fractures, and gaping ragged holes (Figures 1-3, 6-9). NASA has also released dozens of photos of mud on the outer surface of the aluminum wheels (Figures 8, 23), indicating the presence of moisture. On Earth, a single handful of mud may contain over 10,000 organisms and billions of bacteria and viruses which accompany bacteria on a ratio of 10 to 100 per bacterial cell.

Given evidence of past and present biological activity on Mars (Levin and Straat, 1976, 1979, 2011; Mckay et al 1996, 1997; Thomas-Keprta et al. 2009), and the consensus of forty experts that fungi are growing on the surface (Joseph 2016), there is thus a high probability that A the outer-mud-caked wheels, and the interiors of those wheels, were exposed to trillions of Martian microorganisms; and B that the extensive and severe damage to the aluminum wheels of NASA's Mars Rover Curiosity, are a direct consequence of fungal and bacterial contamination and corrosion (Joseph 2017; Joseph & Rabb, 2016).

And if that's not enough suspense for one day, from the same article:

Fungi/bacteria and microbiological damage to aluminum in the Space Station.
The rovers are not the only other-wordly vehicles and equipment launched from Earth, to suffer widespread contamination and corrosion. Fungi growing on the outside of the Russian Mir spacecraft were discovered to be corroding and destroying even the titanium windows, whereas the interiors of the Mir and the International Space Station are widely contaminated with bacteria and fungi which has proved impossible to eradicate (Novikova 2009, 2016; Vesper et al. 2008).

Some of the fungal/bacterial mats discovered in the ISS and Mir are white in color (Novikova 2009, 2016) and resemble those masses within the Curiosity's wheel wells. This raises the possibility that at least some of these biological contaminants on Mars and in the space stations, may have originated from a common source: Earth.

The rovers and other space vehicles and equipment, were rigorously cleaned, but never sterilized. Following sterilization procedures, hundreds of colonies of microorganisms remained viable per square meter of surface including bacillus and Streptococcus (La Duc et al. 2014; Puleo, et al. 1977; Venkateswaran et al. 2012). Moreover, bacillus and Streptococcus have been shown to survive over a year in space (Horneck 1993; Mitchell & Ellis, 1971; Vaishampayan et al. 2012). In addition, many species of fungi and bacteria thrive in low gravity higher radiation environments (Novikova 2009, 2016). Therefore it is probable that Earthly bacteria and fungi were transported to Mars, attached to the rovers (Joseph 2017).

However, those growing in the wheel wells are whitish in color whereas with one exception, the fungal bacterial masses growing on the rover decks, are black and differ in appearance from those identified by experts, as growing on the ground (Joseph 2016).

Experts in fungi have identified three different species of fungi growing upon the surface: mushrooms, puffballs, and an amorphous species which prefers to grow beneath the shelter of rocks (Joseph 2016). These latter colonies of Martian fungi growing beneath rock shelters also resemble the white colonies within the wheel wells (Figures 17, 18). and those growing in the shelter of the chem-cam deck, atop the rover (Figure 16).

Therefore, it is highly probable that the rovers are contaminated with both Martian and Earthly bacteria and fungi which have been feasting on the rovers aluminum wheels.

CONTINUE TO HD Pictures and the rest of this incredible story: http://cosmology.com/FungiAttackRoverCuriosityWheels.html

I'd say GOOD?ET & Blue Avians, eat your heart out!!!

Outlander
4th May 2017, 09:49
Corey Goode Responds to Claims Made by Bill Ryan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEjUIgHmP0A

Outlander
5th May 2017, 23:47
At Michael Salla's Exopolitics site http://exopolitics.org/goode-secret-space-program-claims-go-viral-critics-attacks/ I stumbled over this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IezdwInX72A

At 1:01 I read: 'COMIC DISCLOSURE'

Comic?

Say no more!

Aianawa
6th May 2017, 11:04
This needs to go here as well I feel >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bsTd8XVGkE

Fred Steeves
7th May 2017, 19:34
ATS (AboveTopSecret.com (http://AboveTopSecret.com)) is definitely a CIA psy-op... I have quite extensive documentation.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97548-Is-Godlike-Productions-A-Psy-Op&p=1151206&highlight=#post1151206

I would most certainly like to see it, especially being that the ATS forum was his initial ticket to Alternative Media stardom with the (questionable at best) Serpo "releases".

All the recent pontification about authenticity and documentation , I wonder if anyone at PA cares to ask for said documentation. Hello? I'm just sayin, that's the first thing that comes to any true researcher's mind when presented such a tender morsel. "Hell yes, I'm from Missouri show me. Show me the money!" :)

donk
8th May 2017, 00:13
Heh, he won't even take his responsibilty for the creation of the CG monster, you think he'll show the proof of origins of that will put his Serpo baby under more scrunity?

That's what gets me about all of this, he's creating a revisionist history that seems to be giving him a near Dolan-esque authority on the problems in the "research" community. Will be interesting to see if he can continue to build momentum off this

Ironic is an understatement...hopefully enough of have learned enough discernment that maybe he'll continue expose himself to the point that the cycle can be broken.

....yeah, I'm a dreamer

PurpleLama
8th May 2017, 02:13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qApt0XhbS0E

modwiz
8th May 2017, 02:45
https://youtu.be/qApt0XhbS0E

Thanks brother. I will be doing a Mystic Brew commentary about the video when I finish watching it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qApt0XhbS0E

Maggie
8th May 2017, 02:51
....yeah, I'm a dreamer

For sure you are coming from a context that I admire where you cry out for authentic people who live their talk. I sense that hypocrisy is anathema.

I think this is a very soothing song for the static that is amping up.

May all beings be happy. may all beings be freed of suffering.

VaMJCix5l3c


The Earth can be any shape you want it
Any shape at all
Dark and cold or bright and warm
Long or thin or small
But it's home and all I ever had
And maybe why for me the Earth is flat

And in time you'll come to understand
This flat old Earth is in your gentle hands


Hooponopono
Thank you. I love you, I so wish to know THEE in me at work as a lovely dream. Please forgive me for my own static and that others feel forgiven because we am truly seeking. Thank You.

modwiz
8th May 2017, 06:05
This short clip with Richard Dolan is pure gold.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW1TMV-7EtU

Dreamtimer
8th May 2017, 06:28
Wow. BR on dark journalist. Boy do I wish I had more experience and knowledge to go with this listening.

donk
8th May 2017, 15:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBUNNQzVJWM

How is what you are doing any different than what Corey did with Bill/tot/DW? What Bill's doing with this recent production?

CG claims to be doing the same thing you are trying to do, his narrative is just further out and appears more "attention/$$$/fame seeking"...but cmon man, know thyself

Enabling a deceptive authority, not vetting the whole character, excusing their issues and agendas for the "greater good" (and bigger audience)...that REAL and demonstrable problem is what mucks up the place and makes it harder to realize your dream of organized large scale actions and solutions

You claimed in a recent one you love those convos for people to show your reflection, to call you on your own sh!t. I think you are following the same exact cycle. Just cuz your intentions might be better doesn't mean it's not enabling

Elen
8th May 2017, 15:59
How is what you are doing any different than what Corey did with Bill/tot/DW? What Bill's doing with this recent production?

My take on what modwiz is doing right now...is acknowledging the good purpose Bill is having, on a large scale, larger than any petty annoyance of hurt egos here and there. I really want to give praise to his attempt...as this is trying to narrow gaps that has been made wide by a lot of mishaps. Egos are funny things really...:chrs:

donk
8th May 2017, 16:29
My take on what modwiz is doing right now...is acknowledging the good purpose Bill is having, on a large scale, larger than any petty annoyance of hurt egos here and there. I really want to give praise to his attempt...as this is trying to narrow gaps that has been made wide by a lot of mishaps. Egos are funny things really...:chrs:

The problem is that "the petty annoyance of hurt egos" is a distraction, being able to point at them as the issue enables people to use the "greater good" Bill is doing as a platform for their own agenda, however well intentioned it may be

The Corey lovers point to all the love and lighty good stuff he brings with the his "intel" that must be considered if you can ignore his ego, it is the EXACT argument they use to urge detractors to consider his narrative

And the bigger example is now all the big researchers, the respected "authority" in the field, are blind to the responsibility Bill has for CREATING the problem...while praising him for offering the SOLUTION. So forgive my REACTION for being so tactless but his approach seems to me to be another of these loops, which is the REAL problem

One point that is being is missed in it, is (in past videos) he praises Avalon as a "Library of Alexandria", which in itself is a metaphor I have an issue with wanting...who got to go in there? Did everyone have equal access? Could the plebes even READ back then?

The internet itself is a sort of "Libraby of Alexandria", and that's great. And deposits of information in a comprehesive organized approachable site is an admirable goal to have. But that is NOT what PA is or ever was. The thing that distinguished that place is not the deposits of raw data, the great thing that Bill brought to it was discussion of (and ideally, direct access to) the characters from he and Kerri's "important work", the Camelot videos.

It created a community where people from all over, having anamolous experiences or having hidden knowledge could interact, and again "ideally" with the people that they couldn't normally have access, including the peeps who achieved "celebrity" status within the community.

PA is it what it is, most notably the largest community for "high quality" discourse that any of us have really found. What Bill's doing now doesn't change that, and it can be argued that he is using his current production more to boost the size of it than he is to creating any solution...I mean cmon, who needs him (or anybody) to debunk CG and DW? Especially considering CG came from PA and DW was at the table with Bill in the Camelot days. Those are things that I want to hear about from Bill, not the blame Corey gets for abusing all the attention he has garnered that started with the "Bill wanting attention" cycle that was the "SOOPER SECRET WHISTELBLOWER INTERVIEW"

Anyway, what I found through my journey through that environment is that transparency is crucial to the integrity of the community, after all....getting the knowledge out that is hidden from us is one of the stated intents. This requires honest self awareness, which somehow demanding that of the "authority" is being dismissed as "annoyance with ego"

Until Bill takes responsibility for his hand in repeatedly creating the cycles that have proven to be the problem with the community, any praise for his contributing to "fixing it" is hypocracy.

Elen
8th May 2017, 16:57
The problem is that "the petty annoyance of hurt egos" is a distraction, being able to point at them as the issue enables people to use the "greater good" Bill is doing as a platform for their own agenda, however well intentioned it may be

The Corey lovers point to all the love and lighty good stuff he brings with the his "intel" that must be considered if you can ignore his ego, it is the EXACT argument they use to urge detractors to consider his narrative

And the bigger example is now all the big researchers, the respected "authority" in the field, are blind to the responsibility Bill has for CREATING the problem...while praising him for offering the SOLUTION. So forgive my REACTION for being so tactless but his approach seems to me to be another of these loops, which is the REAL problem

One point that is being is missed in it, is (in past videos) he praises Avalon as a "Library of Alexandria", which in itself is a metaphor I have an issue with wanting...who got to go in there? Did everyone have equal access? Could the plebes even READ back then?

The internet itself is a sort of "Libraby of Alexandria", and that's great. And deposits of information in a comprehesive organized approachable site is an admirable goal to have. But that is NOT what PA is or ever was. The thing that distinguished that place is not the deposits of raw data, the great thing that Bill brought to it was discussion of (and ideally, direct access to) the characters from he and Kerri's "important work", the Camelot videos.

It created a community where people from all over, having anamolous experiences or having hidden knowledge could interact, and again "ideally" with the people that they couldn't normally have access, including the peeps who achieved "celebrity" status within the community.

PA is it what it is, most notably the largest community for "high quality" discourse that any of us have really found. What Bill's doing now doesn't change that, and it can be argued that he is using his current production more to boost the size of it than he is to creating any solution...I mean cmon, who needs him (or anybody) to debunk CG and DW? Especially considering CG came from PA and DW was at the table with Bill in the Camelot days. Those are things that I want to hear about from Bill, not the blame Corey gets for abusing all the attention he has garnered that started with the "Bill wanting attention" cycle that was the "SOOPER SECRET WHISTELBLOWER INTERVIEW"

Anyway, what I found through my journey through that environment is that transparency is crucial to the integrity of the community, after all....getting the knowledge out that is hidden from us is one of the stated intents. This requires honest self awareness, which somehow demanding that of the "authority" is being dismissed as "annoyance with ego"

Until Bill takes responsibility for his hand in repeatedly creating the cycles that have proven to be the problem with the community, any praise for his contributing to "fixing it" is hypocracy.

Wow wow there you have it....Phil...please don't go there...:love:

Fred Steeves
8th May 2017, 16:57
Here's a few things that jumped out at me over the course of the interview:

That was a most accommodating interview by Dark Journalist, the perfect platform for Bill to get his side of the story out there with not so much as even a devil's advocate tough question. That's not journalism IMO, and it's why I no longer listen to shows like Coast to Coast, all of that. It's no different than when I watch the ultra Conservative FOX News host interview neocon John Bolton every Sunday morning. It's nothing but a friendly platform for Bolton to get out his war hawk neocon message at least once a week there. Again, that's not journalism. You know what it is however? Propaganda.

Apparently Christine Anderson has once again been relegated to the status of just a regular old forum member, just like he kept their marriage a secret from forum members themselves.

Shane told me directly that Christine sent the raw video to him up in Toronto to edit, in the interview Bill says he himself toiled for hours upon hours editing it. Somebody is lying here, and it shouldn't be all that difficult to ascertain who.

He talks about being a green rookie at the 2006 UFO convention at Laughlin, but not the reason for being invited there in the first place. His Project Serpo "Anonymous" releases, that were no more evidence based or researched than Corey's fantastical tales. Pot, meet kettle.

The kindly gentleman researcher at the UFO conference who warned him of "UFO disease", how when researchers or experiencers eventually run out of story, and succomb to the temptation to start making shit up. Hello Charles, 12th dimensional Inelia, Shane the Ruiner, Corey, etc. ? Remember he was about set to interview Shane, after zero vetting and defending his stories to the hilt? That only got scrapped when CW Chanter splashed onto the scene taking The Runner's story apart limb by limb. That forced the sudden reassessment, and the ensuing research that should have been done in the first place.

As an aside to this last point, these conferences are literally crawling with shadow type people, and in Bill's first interview with Kerry (which has been disappeared) he gladly spoke about all his spook friends giving him guidance along the way.

I summary, ironically I find this interview a shining example of exactly the type of problem with the Alternative Community that these guys seem so concerned about.

donk
8th May 2017, 17:19
Project Avalon is many things to each individual that experiences it. For me, the most valuable thing I got from it that I couldn't get as much value from anywhere else was lessons in discernment and communication (followed closely by developing real relationships with individuals with similar intent)

Among the other things that it is (to all), it is a platform where anybody could get a decent sized audience for whatever they message wanted to transmit. The "problem" that bill is now the authority for providing the solution to is that CG/DW's narrative has reached a broader audience that the community is all concerned about

The knowledge bill is getting props for laying out IS important, but enabling it at the cost of ignoring/excusing the hand he had in creating the problem serves the important underlying problems...perhaps most importantly an authority being able to steer a narrative...mode than the "greater good" he is taking credit for

It is not about his ego, it is about the truth. Some of the most important truths about Corey Goode are distorted by his "Trith about Corey Goode" thread, which is getting lost in "all the good he brings to the table"....fake love "solutions" for the community

And I was triggered by Rad's "walking his walk" by extending the olive branch to the dude who only allows his voice to heard on PA when he can't hide it without looking bad. Using an alliance with him to promote your good work will only taint your work. Look what it did for Corey...is that the kind of success you want?

donk
8th May 2017, 19:41
Well...it worked, my friend:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97571-Bill-Ryan-Talks-to-Dark-Journalist&p=1151437&viewfull=1#post1151437

I apologize if my irritation was too abrasive, and it looks like our old friend runningdeer shares a similar sentiment with Elen...the information (and exposure....and politeness/respect for authority) is more important than the irratation of others' ego

I still feel it is a shame and Stand by what i said....I think your method is actually an example of the problem in the community than a good way to push the agenda of correcting it...or even accomplishing "bigger picture solutions".

But I a often wrong and truly hope to be here. To each there own, I guess...I hope the outcome goes as you are intending

Fred Steeves
8th May 2017, 21:09
I'll reiterate once more that for me anyway, this is not about Bill Ryan (or Corey Goode) per say, it's about the alt media in generaral of which the part Bill plays is but one spoke of many in the great wheel. How he operates is but a local, specialized example of the greater problem at large.

In my somewhat near future I see a fork in the road where something important is going to crystalize in very clear fashion one way or the other. Either what I continue to see going on here is delusional (of which I have already been notified is indeed the case), or somehow I have become able to see things going on here that apparently only a very small percentage of my peers can see.

As Mr. Spock would say with one eyebrow raised: "Fascinating Captain"...

PurpleLama
8th May 2017, 22:33
All this was triggered by a CG sycophant coming on PA and hounding Bill endlessly, which prompted the Truth about CG thread which is ongoing. In the DJ interview, Bill does claim responsibility for giving CG that initial platform, but then says what happened after that he did not see coming. Nor did any of us. It was TOT that CG was working while he made the deal with Wilcock and Gaiam TV, although it may have been in the works long before.

The DJ interview goes way beyond the scope of DouchET (credit to donk for the name, which is widely preferred) and a lot of what Bill says is actually quite in need of being said by someone of real stature in the alt media. Long overdue? Perhaps. But I don't fault Rad for his response. I think it was high time for it all to be said, and Rad was correct in his acknowledgement of Bill in saying it.

Does it correct every slight perceived from Bill or PA, of course not. But, as a stand alone event, I find it very well to see BR back track and out Corey as the fraud he has been.

Maggie
9th May 2017, 00:00
Either what I continue to see going on here is delusional (of which I have already been notified is indeed the case), or somehow I have become able to see things going on here that apparently only a very small percentage of my peers can see.

I think I have no personal feelings about the alt media "leaders" except one and that is because I had a bad ego flair honestly.
The alt media is just a tabloid with everything from the deepest truth to the ridiculous. IMO you can't start teasing out our significance BY WHAT WE BRING TO THE UNDERSTANDING until you have looked enough. I value the PA forum. It was a good warehouse to store ideas.

I also think I choose to focus on being one who lives my talk. Do I? That is for me to find out. My latest sociopolitical stance is let them all sort themselves out and I will sort me.

When we shift our focus from all the behaviors pf others (where egos clash) that happen between people, you can get out of your egotistically reactive way. We see information (period) and we make the meanings. Knowing this is IMO learned by experience. I think PA is a mediocre forum but I have particular ideals.
Much of what people think they are seeking is not IT. The IT (the real "thing") takes you on the journey out of the collective mind set.
Bottom line, we need to know what we are seeking before we can start looking (glasses? ice tea?). Pre-seekers are all needing help with clues of what IT is and PA can provide helpfulness.

I quit PA because I was shocked that no one ever mentioned Christine being married to bill THEN she was trashed in public. People stood about like in an auto crash. I decided I was not choosing to be supporting that atmosphere. But I have no hard feelings at all. IF you can just use a forum as a library of not just book stuff but the interactive University kind, I LEARNED WHAT I VALUE IN "settings". Change Bill Ryan to another role like President of a University, and the same problems appear IMO.

He IS going to behave out of whatever ego state he embraces. But he is presiding over a forum that goes about a pretty good business at the level of the survey course.

Looking at Phil as a graduate, he has a "loyalty" to the old school. He could have a major "parental" issue with the President. What I mean is I think Phil wants to protect the students. But since the school is providing MANY functions, it can provide "Larnin" to the young ones. The larnin really will take place despite the egoistic narcissism of Prsidents.

I think my way of looking at the world is quite peculiar but I can honestly say I am living a benevolently comforting life. I so wish that we all feel happy and free.

donk
9th May 2017, 00:41
All this was triggered by a CG sycophant coming on PA and hounding Bill endlessly, which prompted the Truth about CG thread which is ongoing. In the DJ interview, Bill does claim responsibility for giving CG that initial platform, but then says what happened after that he did not see coming. Nor did any of us. It was TOT that CG was working while he made the deal with Wilcock and Gaiam TV, although it may have been in the works long before.

The DJ interview goes way beyond the scope of DouchET (credit to donk for the name, which is widely preferred) and a lot of what Bill says is actually quite in need of being said by someone of real stature in the alt media. Long overdue? Perhaps. But I don't fault Rad for his response. I think it was high time for it all to be said, and Rad was correct in his acknowledgement of Bill in saying it.

Does it correct every slight perceived from Bill or PA, of course not. But, as a stand alone event, I find it very well to see BR back track and out Corey as the fraud he has been.

Well I hope you're right...I just finished it, having only listened to half for my first reactions above. Listening to the whole thing (and seeing your response), it appears he clearly controls the narrative now. Very few will apply the principles he lays out to himself or his information, after all...the respected dark journalist certainly isn't. It will be interesting to see how he describes the "blow up" at Avalon.

I am going on record to say that it is sad that the actual rollout of the "super secret whisteblower" gets chucked down the memory hole, in it's place a poorly "vetted" interview by poster Christine Andersen is the non-event that according to him was not even what put CG in the limelight. I guess part two must put the responsibility clearly where it lies, David Wilcock

Talking with modwiz the other night, one of the biggest divergences ew had in perspective was our current use of these of these forums. He uses them as a platform to try to unite people in helping transmit his messages in hopes they join in DOING his good work, he wants to take the babies and ignore the bathwater that's easy for him (and you, I guess) to toss out. That makes taking this completely out of context as a stand alone valuable, and I agree it is, very much so, especially to "gullible masses" and/or those who stumble on it as such

I tend to use these places as a reflection of my personal and a sounding board for dealing with personal issues. As such, I can't help but see it as I see every "event" in a seemingly endless cycle. This one may be different, maybe he learned from his other spectacles that garnered him and the forum attention, and it really isn't an attention-getter on its own, he's learned and sharing the lessons.

But in light of things people have shown me, it appears to me to just be a shift in tactics, not a change in behavior. Capitalizing on an opportunity to get his cred back, while engaging in the very same behavior criticisizes. I hope I am wrong, and he's really a integrity filled beacon of truth, selflessly workin hard for the good of the community with no other intent. I've been wrong before, a lot....and this is a situation I would definitely be happy eating my own sh!t

donk
9th May 2017, 00:49
Hey Maggie: I used to feel that way, needing to "protect the students".

Then I felt i was witness to heinous corruption and wanted to hold the Pres accountable

Now I'm seeing the fellow University Pres' rally around a twisted narrative, and am just trying to air out all the information Ive gathered from my experience, and do what I can for the curious students (and tenured professors) to have a fuller...or at least different....perspective available, should they seek it out

...and it all synchronistically ties into my personal, family situations. There are no accidents. I learn a lot from my participation in and subsequent observation of that imaginary university :eyebrows:

Outlander
9th May 2017, 19:18
To cut a long story short:
Only when contact is imminent, there will be disclosure.

Maggie
10th May 2017, 03:38
I learn a lot from my participation in and subsequent observation of that imaginary university

That is great.

As Universal students, we'll probably ALL break a lot of eggs accidentally dropped or flung at the wall in a fit, or aimed on purpose... couldn't be any different for me anyway because....that is what is. I LOVE that: being a student. I appreciate that BR and CG are living their lives. We are all living the life. So they cannot hamper ME, but I can stop me. I don't know if its just me but all my judgements contract me in a Knot and I feel ill, even if for just long enough to let go.

All grades instructors teach by example, NOT words. There are many exemplars worth observing. The actions we copy until we make them our own in self reflection still count towards our tuition. What WAS I DOING is the question we will ask ourselves?

I CELEBRATE that I am ungraduated and will act my age (child perennial). We can all be poets and stay up all night drinking wine and be late to work...WE ARE STUDENTS! And I have been contemplating karma as the inevitable wish to audit again because you were so asleep in that seminar that day.

I THINK maybe the most asleep one's are those who think they are the "illumined" ones talking the walk away.


Given and Denied
Poets of the Fall

Which way to the fountain of my youth I wonder? Which way to the years I've let go by?
Let a thirsty man drink in its memories while the water still flows sweet and crystal clear, for yesteryear
Oh to see the sun's eclipse, on the horizon like ships sailing way away from here, oh just one more time my dear
Before I'll go hear me out, 'cos of this there ain't no doubt. When it's time for curtain call just before the shadows...

Fall like a leaf in the wind on the ocean of blue like your eyes in the twilight theater
With symphonies playing in the world without sound. We're given and denied...

Give me back my innocence cos I wish to dream again, like I never outgrew my old playground
Where the sun sets slowly with a golden crown and the leaves sing lullabies 'round vacant swings
Give me those wings

Let me fly once again, like I did way back when, I would gamble and win to lift me high above the din
Of the future we see. Does it hold something for me? I'm weightless again, just before the shadows...

Fall like a leaf in the wind on the ocean of blue like your eyes in the twilight theater
With symphonies playing in the world without sound. We're given and denied...

Before I'll go hear me out, 'cos of this there ain't no doubt. When it's time for curtain call, just before the shadows...
Fall like a leaf in the wind on the ocean of blue like your eyes in the twilight theater
With symphonies playing in the world without sound. We're given and denied...

K4ISFwQ5MIo


POETS OF THE FALL LYRICS
"Illusion & Dream"

Look in my eyes I'll make you see
We're drifting aimlessly
Blind in a world of make believe

Hear them sing their songs off key n' nod like they agree
Buying the needs to be discreet

I've got no hand in matters worldly
I hardly care at all
What's going on fails to concern me
'Cause I'm locked behind my wall
But you know what drives me out
Out of my mind oh

It's whatever makes you see
Makes you believe
And forget about the premonition you need to conceive
The images they sell are Illusion and Dream
In other words dishonesty

If I speak ill please, humour me
Won't rant on endlessly
Just thought I'd try to make you see

It doesn't solve a thing to dress it, in a pretty gown
A stone will not need you to guess if, you're still going to drown
So you know what drives me out
Out of my mind, oh

It's whatever makes you see, makes you believe
And forget about the premonition you need to conceive
The images they sell are Illusion & Dream
In other words dishonesty

So can you name your demon?
Understand it's scheming
I raise my glass and say "Here's to you"

Can you chase your demon?
Or will it take your freedom?
I raise my glass and say "Here's to you"

I've got no hand in matters worldly
I hardly care at all
What's going on fails to concern me
'Cause I'm locked behind my wall
But you know what drives me out
Out of my mind oh

It's whatever makes you see
Makes you believe
And forget about the premonition you need to conceive
That the images they sell are Illusion and Dream
In other words dishonesty

So whatever makes you see
Makes you believe
And forget about the premonition you need to conceive
The images they sell are Illusion and Dream
In other words dishonesty
With silence comes peace
With peace comes freedom
With freedom comes silence

uuOaVKsNkjk


POETS OF THE FALL LYRICS
"Roses"

I've walked the distance, I paid my dues and tried to have a go at what I thought I knew was real, held
no appeal
I've been to places, I've seen the tidings,
I bought a book of rules for every coin that I could steal
And so I came to gaze upon the stars, when they were yet unborn
And consequently, tear at my old scars, and the mask I had outworn

So when I'm crying alone
Yeah, when I'm cold as a dying stone

Grow me a garden of roses
Paint me the colors of sky and rain
Teach me to speak with their voices
Show me the way and I'll try again

I've heard the rumors, started fires, I sowed a sordid lot of plays for keeps for what I need, behold
the demons that I freed
I've tried my best at wearing the hard hat, but healing doesn't seem to happen when you hide away the
seed
And so I came across the medicine man, and he showed me what I'd forlorn
For if I'm stayed it happens by my own hand, and my own voice full of scorn

So when I'm crying alone
Yeah, when I'm cold as a dying stone

Grow me a garden of roses
Paint me the colors of sky and rain
Teach me to speak with their voices
Show me the way and I'll try again

Without you I'm nothing at all
And life has the face of a morbid game
With you nothing seems impossible
It all seems to fit the frame

So when I'm crying alone
Yeah, when I'm cold as a dying stone

Grow me a garden of roses
Paint me the colors of sky and rain
Teach me to speak with their voices
Show me the way and I'll try again

KS2b1eSWUdo

modwiz
10th May 2017, 03:40
This video definitely belongs in this thread. It is from TargeT.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jTS5wDMNhY

donk
10th May 2017, 12:42
So I haven't made it through modwiz' vid yet, but watching him on target's I hear him praising Bill for "clearing the noise" by establishing how not true Corey's story is, and then saying that the important part is that "even if Corey's story is true, there's no utility in it"

To me, it shouldn't take all this discernment or discussion to determine if Corey's story is true or even useful (or harmful), it's the next level up, the "authority" getting fellated here that matters. What utility is Bill Ryan's (or Richard Dolan's) bringing other than giving BR (RD) "authority" in their field.

David Wilcock getting knocked down to Corey's level boosts the cred of the others...but ultimately isn't it the "know thyself/personal responsibility/question everything" babies we don't wanna throw out with the bath water for any of them that's the "underlying/important" message?

All I see is a distraction from questioning the accepted information in the field, whilst BR (and modwiz) draw some more of the "finite intention" target talks about. Everybody watching this crap already knows their opinion of the CG/DW game...what I am seeing is that somehow Bill's analysis supposedly clarifies while teaching the community stuff they should already know

Which is identical to what Corey did in the thread target points out in post of 3 of the now famous thread, if you read it, you see that he lays out the comprehensive (seemingly alphabet agency created) data of using communication as a weapon. He didn't have the fame then to get much attention to it, or even the critics (besides a handful, including target) pointing out the hypocracy of him doing so

So bill lays out the agencies' method for determining quality of information, and not only his own placing himself as "A1" not called into question*, he's being giving all these props for "reducing noise" or helping unify the community or pointing out the problems

Which is all well and good I guess, if you're into that kind of thing. Me? I see it as continuing cycles rather than breaking any. How much of the narrative does bill get to steer before his own favorite tools are applied to him?

And why is all the noise he is responsible for forgotten while he's "cleaning up" what he considers noise?

*added: in fact, a lot of places I look that thing is being treated as some objective truth meter, maybe because the vaunted Richard Dolan and Joseph Farrell's the get an A1 (or close) and they shove Corey and silly wackos at the bottom

donk
10th May 2017, 13:26
Speaking of noise versus "truth with utility", at the risk of running afoul of management I would like to direct attention to what I consider a wonderful piece of writing with many helpful truths, from a character who's story has been "thoroughly debunked" for most:

http://thewholeworldlaughing.blogspot.ca/2017/05/empty-places.html?m=1

My finite intention was drawn to the first couple post of the original ruiner blog as it spoke to the noise issue and others in the community. The unbelievable story that was woven into it brings comparison to CG, but to me the emergence of Shane is a wonderful case study in how he behaved when some of that finite intention was directed his way

Rather than behaving like an authority enjoying celebrity, he remained completely approachable, and did his best to stay on the "average poster" level. If you apply bill's what benefit or harm did he receive for "disclosing his information", I saw him gaining some "real" friends and above average attention level while his credibility got sh!t on

My perspective comes from directly talking to him off the forums, and having him come when conjured when I would point out what I felt his responsibility for "mucking up the scene"...to his credit he more directly answered any of my concerns than Bill ever did when I was his admirer.

That's not to say the personality/character of Shane needs or doesn't need to be called into question, that's up to each of yo decide (as I'm sure he'd say, as I've often seen him do). I am just bringing it up as an example of what i consider useful discernment and highlighting what I think the potential for this medium really lies.

When you transmit any message publicly, in a place that begs for feedback, interactive communication...something like what Bill started with PA (discussions of his work on PC and possible access to those involved for the public) is walking that walk to me. Being able to talk to Shane (or Corey or bill or Simon...) can be the difference that makes this media truly "alternative", and Shane never shied away from that, with me anyway

Yet here the public goes praising the polished edited respected celeb interview where he talks about how he got his cred from the opposite. Corey is now a problem for doing that polished production thing, but for these near-Dolan level people on DJ level format still seems the goal. Again, that's all well good...as long as we hold them to their own standards rather respecting the attention they command

That's what was interesting to me in my journey through all of this, trying to understand the dynamics of the direction of "finite intention" energy target so brilliantly describes

donk
10th May 2017, 13:51
So to borrow from outlander (and target), long story short:

It's important to discuss the "truth" of disclosure that draws the "finite intention" energy...but maybe it's more useful (and important) to understand how the concentration of that energy is directed (and where it originates from)

TargeT
10th May 2017, 14:49
And why is all the noise he is responsible for forgotten while he's "cleaning up" what he considers noise?

*added: in fact, a lot of places I look that thing is being treated as some objective truth meter, maybe because the vaunted Richard Dolan and Joseph Farrell's the get an A1 (or close) and they shove Corey and silly wackos at the bottom

There's definitely a more personal angle that can be taken & my contributions haven't had much thought out direction other than randomly putting out ideas as they come to me.

Bill certainly has contributed to the noise, but I was really hoping to make this more of a "general" commentary with out focusing too much on the details (that, quite frankly, I see myself as leveraging names to get a message out at this point).

and honestly, I'm at a bit of a point of conflict here as I would never been on forums like this if it wasn't for the "charles" material....

I also noted the "extremely generous" grading he gave himself... I personally would have rated all mentioned much lower; however I agree with Goode's rating just based on my personal dealings with him back when he was active on the forum.



When you transmit any message publicly, in a place that begs for feedback, interactive communication...something like what Bill started with PA (discussions of his work on PC and possible access to those involved for the public) is walking that walk to me. Being able to talk to Shane (or Corey or bill or Simon...) can be the difference that makes this media truly "alternative", and Shane never shied away from that, with me anyway

I agree, but I do feel that when ever individual names are brought up it's very easy to get caught up in the minutia of interpersonal dealings, miscommunication and other human attributes... As such I try to neither praise nor ridicule individuals (their message is fair game!).


...as long as we hold them to their own standards rather respecting the attention they command

That's where the consumers responsibility kicks in, the attention they briefly hold is ours to give; we need to make sure it's going in a direction that aligns with our core values. (which can be done with easy simple questions like "What is my take away from this" "how does this help my situation" etc..)




So to borrow from outlander (and target), long story short:

It's important to discuss the "truth" of disclosure that draws the "finite intention" energy...but maybe it's more useful (and important) to understand how the concentration of that energy is directed (and where it originates from)

Oh certainly, but then the majority of topics I look into are just Tangents from more important topics... I personally think the whole "disclosure" concept is a bit of a waste of time; yet here I am trying to spin it into something more useful.

donk
10th May 2017, 15:22
That's where the consumers responsibility kicks in, the attention they briefly hold is ours to give; we need to make sure it's going in a direction that aligns with our core values. (which can be done with easy simple questions like "What is my take away from this" "how does this help my situation" etc..)

But to dismiss the personality as minutae takes away the data that shows that personality does exactly what he's warning against...using names/fame of others, when past experience shows he again and again himself used this very tactic himself to draw that piece of the "finite intention" that you are admitting you got sucked in by.

So I posit it that "personal detail" becomes a data point in my 'general' point, his case study is indentical to any of a number of case studies he has directly experienced/created, so why would we let (or use) him as an authority of "unlogical stories with no data" when he apparently he can't see him doing it himself?

The same can be applied to any researcher, especially at the A1 category. What evidence has Richard Dolan presented that puts him up there...and what stories does he tell have more "logic" than just "resonating with people"? I'm not saying there aren't any, that might be a nice topic for another thread...I'm just saying bill has had a catalog of examples that fit the general mold of fantastical stories that draw attention, and evidence I've seen points more to this whole episode being another, slightly more sophisticated example (the fantastical story being that Corey gained all this attention out of nowhere, absolutely no fault of the authority/words/actions of BR).

Egos and intentions do matter. I'm can't deny when Bill says he would love to see what he sees as noise genuinely go away, and that he is doing his part to educate the audience on discernment. But the data I've experienced first hand from him...his actions and non-public words and PUBLIC behavior patterns, which get so easily dismissed as ego or personality issues, lead me to a conclusion that his intentions aren't primarily on that...I mean how would he get a DJ interview?

And my point in for us to excuse, and some of us EMULATE...and I'm not accusing you of this specifically, but I do try to watch for it in myself...this behavior of using the personalities' surface issue in a way that deflects from their doing it themselves, AND from the real issue. It seems to me that Bill/PA is a COREY GENERATOR...and that's problematic when Bill Ryan becomes the authority of the "REAL" problems of the community*

In all of this noise...what points come through the most? I hear: Corey's a liar, Dolan is great, we have to learn how to tell the difference...and questioning the questioners, the lesser authorities/liars in the field is an ego/personality thing of no import

I don't want to "unite" with members of community whose logic and past actions can't be questioned, and both are seen as "superior" on the scale because of...what? They resonate as more "scientific method" driven and better at twisting logical arguments in their favor?

The scale should be graded on how much their message has been consistent with their actions, admitting to mistakes and taking responsibility for their actions. I would guess that would keep a Dolan or Farrell high on the scale. Accepting the scale for what it is, subjective to the authority transmitting it, makes it a questionable tool to me...a friggin e-meter FFS.

*using his "stand alone case study" on the problems of "truth" community is like using zengarndners writings on the problems with high ranking cult officials...there might be a LOT to learn from it, but until he owns his own part I don't think either are a good idea to use or intentionally direct "finite intention" to and expect positive results or cycles to be broken.

TargeT
10th May 2017, 15:46
But to dismiss the personality as minutae takes away the data that shows that personality does exactly what he's warning against...using names/fame of others, when past experience shows he again and again himself used this very tactic himself to draw that piece of the "finite intention" that you are admitting you got sucked in by.

So I posit it that "personal detail" becomes a data point in my 'general' point, his case study is indentical to any of a number of case studies he has directly experienced/created, so why would we let (or use) him as an authority of "unlogical stories with no data" when he apparently he can't see him doing it himself?


In this particular instance I don't think ignoring the personality is a good thing, because the topic centers around them... that statement was more a vague warning against logical fallacy (Ad Homeniem).

But again, we are trying to bring this away from the personalities involved and just focus on discernment... I perhaps lent a bit too much gravity to BR in that sense as I was also leveraging what I saw as the current narrative; a dichotomous conflict being much more interesting than vague platitudes about being self aware and doing personal research.


Egos and intentions do matter.

I agree, but that's a marshy swamp to stomp around in... it's MUCH easier to analyze the message and deconstruct the data presented (for example, Bill lauds his own research abilities and says "we need to tell them how to do it" and yet has put forth Charles and Inez and all that other crap). No ego needed, a direct data driven conflict arises right there; and it's much easier to work with and explain those than the inner workings of someones head (ego and intention).

Does that make more sense as to why I'm avoiding personalities as much as possible?


*using his "stand alone case study" on the problems of "truth" community is like using zengarndners writings on the problems with high ranking cult officials...there might be a LOT to learn from it, but until he owns his own part I don't think either are a good idea to use or intentionally direct "finite intention" to and expect positive results or cycles to be broken.

Gotta start somewhere though, right?

donk
10th May 2017, 15:47
So the case study on the "know myself" level for examining this "stand alone case study" Bill is engaging in has nothing too do with disclosure or even of lies...it's WHY do I believe what I believe and feel what I feel?

It's bothersome to more than just me that so many people "resonate" with Corey's writing and message. And I look at myself at why I get those feelings from Shane. And I wonder how either attract so much attention.

And I lay out the "data" that is my experience. Where we find that we all tend to use the "attention attractors" to spread our own agenda or work our personal problems or however anyone chooses to use them. And I found that "authority" has the ability to manipulate our incomplete understanding of that phenomon to achieve their own goals.

TargeT
10th May 2017, 15:49
So the case study on the "know myself" level for examining this "stand alone case study" Bill is engaging in has nothing too do with disclosure or even of lies...it's WHY do I believe what I believe and feel what I feel?

That certainly seems like a more useful pursuit than "disclosure" in my mind.... ;)




Great interview Bill. You are bringing up the most important issues hurting the dwindling credibility of Ufology. I was hoping someone would finally have the courage to take on these guys.

When I see stuff like this I cringe a bit...

Might need to make a video about Mr Hat sooner than later.

donk
10th May 2017, 15:51
Does that make more sense as to why I'm avoiding personalities as much as possible?

I believe the avoidance of the ego/personality is attractive to the "authority" that is the scientific method approach to research, and trying to isolate that from the human reality is the cycle we are stuck in.

Integrating the "marshy swamp" into something comprehensive I think is the goal...the problem being that swamp mucks up any possibility for an isolated scientific method style study

TargeT
10th May 2017, 16:01
Integrating the "marshy swamp" into something comprehensive I think is the goal...the problem being that swamp mucks up any possibility for an isolated scientific method style study

When conveying a message: I've had some success with one, and almost none with the other ("dry" data or walking the marsh).

One of the main reasons HRC didn't goto jail for her emails was the lack of proof on "intent"... until minds can be read (and maybe not even then) intent is just too slippery to work with & can only be shown via conjecture and other easily dismissed avenues of proof (ego & personality being the drivers of intent are similarly difficult to "show" or "prove").

I frame most things on forums from a perspective of trying to convey ideas to others, not from a personal understanding point of view (my own methods are different).

So I sacrifice for sake of improved clarity (or at least,,,,, that's my intent.... haha)

donk
10th May 2017, 16:50
When conveying a message: I've had some success with one, and almost none with the other ("dry" data or walking the marsh).

One of the main reasons HRC didn't goto jail for her emails was the lack of proof on "intent"... until minds can be read (and maybe not even then) intent is just too slippery to work with & can only be shown via conjecture and other easily dismissed avenues of proof (ego & personality being the drivers of intent are similarly difficult to "show" or "prove").

I frame most things on forums from a perspective of trying to convey ideas to others, not from a personal understanding point of view (my own methods are different).

So I sacrifice for sake of improved clarity (or at least,,,,, that's my intent.... haha)

Yeah well there's the macro level. The information people experience will inform their decision of what patterns of behavior they will judge Hilary on...and information on the macro level is produced by "authority" way more than personal direct experience.

That's where the "alternative" COULD be different, you can (or should be able to) easily directly interact with the "authority" here, and so get closer to "real data".

My experience with bill is that he used "mainstream" macro tactics to draw attention (celebrity creation) and now he's using his celeb expert status in the same way

So the "alternative" audience has opportunity to try discuss the parallels, whether a there's any truth to anything I'm saying. That's what I love about this medium

PurpleLama
10th May 2017, 17:35
One big problem in the alt media is precisely those who are in it not to make a living, not in it to tell their story, but to hit it rich, so to speak.

So, with the widespread promotion and availability of DouchET and Wilcock, countless people who are just waking up to the fact that things are not as we have been taught are now being propelled the worst of the woo woo somebody is coming to save us bandwagon. If you can't see the utility in the conversation that turns that around to what real data and real whistleblowers are out there, as a warning to step back and use discernment, then nothing that can be said will be heard.

Once CG gets (finally) shoved by the wayside, hopefully from among the folks following him now there will be a few who wind up being worthwhile contributors/consumers of the alt media in general. Without this conversation taking place, the en(te)rtainment will be harder for the new folks being introduced to these topics to shake.

This is like the Galactic Federation of Light 2.0, and it is far more insidious in its commercialization than the GFL ever was, we are talking millions of viewers vs tens of thousands following the old channelling.

Everyone has their personal issues with the characters and brands in play, but there is the integrity of the whole alt media movement at stake. With the advent of CG the whole world is laughing at us, so there needs to be some push back. Again, if the utility of said pushing back is difficult for you to discern, I would suggest setting your own issues aside (requiring a new level of self examination, perhaps) and taking a fresh look.

That's the thing about "know thyself", no matter how hard you try, no matter what you accomplish, there is always more, always higher or deeper, and if you ever stop and say, there I have it, you are a fool. The Fool always knows there is more he does not know, both internally and externally.

Maggie
10th May 2017, 17:38
Contact in the Desert is May 19th coming up. In late April, I read a Randy Maugans piece that suggested NO ONE go to Contact in the Desert. There is a sign of some infighting perhaps with the figures in the alt media travelling show?

He said;

IF YOU ARE PLANNING TO GO TO “CONTACT IN THE DESERT”:
My first advice is—DON’T.
If you must—better go shielded, and with the understanding that Goode is being promoted by forces that do NOT have your best interests at heart.
What I sense is that some “event” may be coming where the “Spheres/Orbs” (Blue Avians) will run a disclosure scenario that is the Mother of all deceptions (MOAD).
This may be a mass abduction scenario—just my impressions, for what it’s worth.
The energies at Joshua Tree are dark and potent. Most of the people appearing there are, at best, just merchants of woo-woo—some are paid intelligence operatives, and some others are predators of a high and decidedly non-human order.
It is obvious that Corey Goode is taken over—his demeanor, the incredible fantasies he is weaving, and the level at which he is being financed are RED FLAGS ON THE FIELD for all who have perception. His use of CGI in videos, on the coming websites, and in his talks are Hollywood slick—this is not the work of a few casual hobbyists.
I have been warning about this deception since I began OffPlanet Radio in 2010. We are now in the time of Great Deception on every level. The threat from Goode and his Sphere Alliance (Blue Avians) is both an intelligence operation, and a supernatural deception that can infect at the astral level.
I cannot warn you strongly enough to shield up and back away from this emerging cult.

Human beings easily take deep interest and switch it to "hate". Humans can be OH so snarky concerning "exes" like ex bromance partners and ex husbands. This "in" and "out" of popularity with people, ideas and loyalties is dependable. There are permeable membranes for cults. The mechanism of cultling up with one another is on every level of social life. There is always some personality cult forming. I see it as some charisma that attracts the crowd (not permanently IMO)

A question I have about what Maugans says...have we EVER had any confirmation except the same kind of stories Corey weaves that non human orders of predators and etc. EXIST? I certainly can agree that the METAPHOR exists...for me, it is really quite inconceivable that "real humans" could inflict the pain that I see. So, I metaphorically desire to accept the idea of some demonic element "infecting". it is hard to accept that people do have such craven and unloving capacities.

But fractally, I don't see that "infection" is without a host's suitability. We are always the actors through which stray thoughts express. That means that maybe there are opportunistic "materialist" patterns which we adopt because we are IGNORAMUSES. I think I can see that ideas "infect" us a thought forms and are transmitted by allegiances to our "latest crush". Hatred of the "out crowd" goes along with "Love" of the in crowd. Any group can cohere by having "enemies" so to cement a group "others" are scapegoated regularly.

The literal concrete level of thinking and belief can switch topics but not capacity (fundamentalism as a way of LIFE). IMO ignorance is the only foe and from that trap I THINK I need protection. I shield up for stupid.

randy brought this teacher to my view...such is the wonder of the net.

k2tPEJjlWgw

TargeT
10th May 2017, 18:39
A question I have about what Maugans says...have we EVER had any confirmation except the same kind of stories Corey weaves that non human orders of predators and etc. EXIST? I certainly can agree that the METAPHOR exists...for me, it is really quite inconceivable that "real humans" could inflict the pain that I see. So, I metaphorically desire to accept the idea of some demonic element "infecting". it is hard to accept that people do have such craven and unloving capacities.

I see the entirety of the "disclosure" movement as WWF (or is it called something else now, I might be dating myself)... it certainly MIMICS something that is PROBABLY a reality.. but there is almost ZERO usable data and absolutely no usable data when it comes to "reptilians" or any type of "other worldly" being.

This is why the topic gets no energy from me, I've applied a methodology that is purely logic based and doesn't have much room for emotion or "wanting to believe".. I still will read some of the stuff in that arena but I put it squarely in the category of entertainment with possible "knowledge" to be gained from a broader view of it all rather than the specific details of orbs or spheres or 4,6 or 8 fingered beings...

I also see how this attitude can be limiting so I try to look into the info far more than my interest prompts, so far I haven't found anything compelling that is backed with compelling data.


But fractally, I don't see that "infection" is without a host's suitability. We are always the actors through which stray thoughts express. That means that maybe there are opportunistic "materialist" patterns which we adopt because we are IGNORAMUSES. I think I can see that ideas "infect" us a thought forms and are transmitted by allegiances to our "latest crush". Hatred of the "out crowd" goes along with "Love" of the in crowd. Any group can cohere by having "enemies" so to cement a group "others" are scapegoated regularly.

This is the one area I allow myself to go a bit more "woo woo" with out external data, I have recognized with in my own thought-scape things that did not originate with me (or so I perceive them to be, perhaps it is just my subconcious; I'd like to think not (which again, is possibly limiting)). And, we know Fractal patterns and how they repeat, you will not find deeply similar patterns in close proximity to eachother... WHY would we think "our" predator would be an organic physical form? some sort of non-physical entity would meet the "MO" of fractal patterns more closely as we are the "tip" of the biological predator "pattern" (yet still encompassing the whole with in that tip).

It's a bit hard for me to convey thoughts on fractal reality; the words don't seem sufficient.


IMO ignorance is the only foe and from that trap I THINK I need protection. I shield up for stupid.


And the worse part is, it seems that ignorance is almost always a choice, when you really get down to it.

donk
10th May 2017, 19:29
Everyone has their personal issues with the characters and brands in play, but there is the integrity of the whole alt media movement at stake. With the advent of CG the whole world is laughing at us, so there needs to be some push back. Again, if the utility of said pushing back is difficult for you to discern, I would suggest setting your own issues aside (requiring a new level of self examination, perhaps) and taking a fresh look.

Well my own issues are with the authority transmitting messages, in my case the parent in my family. Using her "knowledge" of other aspects of adulting and parenting allow her to ignore and be excused for a glaring deeper issue that is easily hidden from the outside world. So that appearance she keeps up allows the abuse cycle inside the family to continue, to maintain itself as part of the values. The parent looks like a hypocrite to the kids when she tries to correct them for what she does, but she is "doing the right thing" in the eyes of the outside world**

This isn't a one dimensional issue, and the good of the "alternative" family is not going to be served by excusing or hiding the family secrets. Charles and Simon and whoever else were just as ridiculous as Corey, so the problem of being put in the limelight...the surface appearance to the outside world, isn't what I consider the problem for me. But having an authority correct the up-and-comer for the thing he's done his entire career is what the astute observer should be laughing at

I'd rather be part of a laughing stock thoroughly vetting the "established authority of what is acceptable" and more honestly evaluating the things the mainstream world laughs at us for, and reacting maturely from a place of non-hypocracy than sanitizing what the millions see of the clowns that make the big time. I think having Bill Ryan as a spokesman, beacon of light, friend of truth, of sterling integrity....whatever you want call him makes us a bigger joke than the plethora of douchebags describing the entities they want to bring to our awareness (for whatever reason, selfish or not). Watching him take ersponsiblity, and be an example...now that would be something

But I can see what you are saying...Avalonians don't even vet Bill, who in the mainstream will? We'll just sweep SerpoCharlesIneliaSimon abuse pattern under the rug and so daddy can represent us. He's the expert, respected by others in that tier of our community. Better having his expert analysis on the situation than having peeps infected with blue avian flu. It's the American (bestest in the world) way...and I guess it's hopeless to try to change it.

anyways...that why I say the direction of the attention/energy is more important than any personality or story...though it's the personalities and stories that draw the attention....pretty fractally I guess

**I never thought I could get out of my relationship without severely damaging everybody in the family for life...a fate I felt was worse than staying in it...the ultimate victim mentality. And I still haven't been able to do it, I can't bring myself to physically throw her and her kids out on the streets, or run away with my kids to the street. But I made the first step, being completely honest about my feelings (and lack of them) and rather than the hellscape i thought my home would become, it has actually improved as we work together to move forward.

I think truth is love, and no relationship is healthy without brutal, total honesty. Sure, we can use each other to make ourselves more happy...but shouldn't we try for something better?

TargeT
10th May 2017, 19:49
Bill,

What is your impression and relationship status with Wilcox now? There is plenty of guilt by grooming / association with connection to this case.

I wrote to both Michael Salla and David Wilcock in early 2015 to offer detailed information that could assist them in doing due diligence, before they got too far in.


Hmm, in 2015... was that right after the inez fiasco, or still during?

donk
10th May 2017, 20:17
Buggin Bill to talk about his relationship with Wilcock I believe was a big part in getting me banned....maybe even in early 2015 if I remember correctly

Fred Steeves
10th May 2017, 20:22
Truth is indeed stranger than fiction, Bill Ryan is apparently going to be the responsible party to lead this branch of alt media back out into the sanitizing sunlight of truth as the shining example of integrity, honesty, and discernment. So more it be, when these memes get to rolling on the fast track there is little that can hinder them.

At this point I'm about to just sit back with some cold beer and popcorn, and carefully watch this the latest shapeshifting incarnation of the same old song and dance. Note pad in hand, observing how this all rolls out, who facilitates it and such, should be a fascinating study in group dynamics, and how easily they are manipulated.

Now this thing about it's only personal issues with Bill being at the helm of this frankly baffles me, it's like suggesting someone of holding a personal grudge by not hiring a known embezzler to take care of the company books. Personal? Pfffft, I call that good old fashion common sense, nothing personal about it what so ever.

Lastly, if this improves the credibility of the alt media, it will be a false improvement, an illusion. Abracadabra...

donk
10th May 2017, 20:27
Well to be fair Fred, I started this thread...and rightfully or not, lots of people project my personal issues with him on to anything I write about the subject. Or at least they used to...now I think everyone sits back like you do, either thinking I will never change...or perhaps maybe I have?

it is very personally important to me, I hope my disclosure of my family issues clarifies that it is not a vendetta or old grudges or even ill feelings toward the man, his position in this community has been a beautiful reflection of my family life (which is not ALL bad :D)

TargeT
10th May 2017, 21:01
Lastly, if this improves the credibility of the alt media, it will be a false improvement, an illusion. Abracadabra...

I'd rather it improves the credibility sensing of the audience... an informed (or at least one with the right methods to become informed) audience won't put up with certain things....

Fred Steeves
10th May 2017, 21:29
Well to be fair Fred, I started this thread...and rightfully or not, lots of people project my personal issues with him on to anything I write about the subject. Or at least they used to...

I think it goes deeper than that, but also to be fair if that's all it is for some people, then I stand corrected. I'm pretty sure many people see me to this day as the squawking anti BR parrot, doing so only because he never got over being banned from there going on four freakin years ago now. Nothing could be farther from the truth, but once labeled, what the parrot says or brings to the table research wise means nothing.


I'd rather it improves the credibility sensing of the audience... an informed (or at least one with the right methods to become informed) audience won't put up with certain things....

TargeT I would love to think that, but history dictates otherwise. The isolated few start picking up on it along the way here and there, but this ever re-occurring cycle sucks the vast majority in without so much as even a whimper. It's like being in a Walking Dead zombie scenario, very few "survivors". But hey man you have a good head on your shoulders, sit back and watch it all play out over time with me. I'll buy the first 6-pack. :)

:chrs:

DNA
11th May 2017, 08:49
What exactly of Corey (and DW's) message do you hope your friends receive when you are spreading it?

From what I understand, they put out a LOT of content, all of which is difficult for me to consume...I couldn't read too much of "goodETxSG" stuff BEFORE he was forum-famous. You often ask others for nuggets of long videos to get an idea of what to expect...so I'm doing that to you now: what would you hope one would get from CG's story?

What's going on brother Donk?
I hope all is well.
I know this question is for Aianawa but I'd like to chime in.
I personally listen to David Wilcock for the same reason I watch NFL Football. Now I'm no fool, football is probably rigged and anyone who watches regularly can certainly attest to this, but myself personally I allow myself to get involved in the sport for the same reason people watch professional wrestling, it is a welcome distraction from the doom and gloom of new world orders, depopulation agendas and satanic pedophiles who rule the world.
DW for all of his faults he offers hope, and I'm of the opinion that hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. Pardon my Shawshank reference :lol: but I willfully indulge in DW's yarns because it offers some small pleading voice within me a little hope.
I never did this with Corey Goode, I was awaiting an actual interview so I could read him. And the first interview I heard was just horrible. DW in my opinion has a few kernals of plausible truth sprinkled in, but Goode is complete and utter fabrication, Bill Ryan did an amazing job of pointing this out in his recent interview with Dark Journalist.

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Holy Crap this is a ten page thread! I didn't realize that when I posted the above so allow me to catch up and read the rest. :)

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The supporters of PA enable Bill to deflect any responsibility for his creation of Corey's quasi-celebritydom.
He gets away with appearing to have no hand in legitimizing Corey...
Dang bro that is not how I remember this at all. Sure Christine did the interview that got things rolling, but Bill was on record refuting Corey's claims from the get go. So much so that Corey left Avalon due to Bill's low opinion of him and as we all know Corey really made his name here on ToT.
Now I do not blame Malc or anyone for this, it was just one of those things that happen.

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Damn! I'm reading through this thread, and it is just the same old sh!t.
There are some super intelligent people here of whom I would absolutely LOVE to converse with. I would fricking love it.
But there is just no way I'm going to participate on a forum that CAN NOT FREAKING GET OVER IT.
I mean WTF?
This forum was created by an Avalon member, who recruited Avalon members to participate and dialogue, and now this forum's route to making a name for itself is to spew a constant stream of venom at Avalon? Really? You guys don't have anything better to talk about?
Aragorn you are a capable man and amazingly intelligent but you are not doing this forum any favors in altering this forum into your personal attack platform.
This forum should not be referred to as ToT it should be referred to as FBR because that is the only thing I ever see when I stop in.

I would absolutely love to dialogue with you guys, but there is a infection here and it appears to be terminal.
I will not debate this topic with you Aragorn, and Malc if you ever hope the platform of this forum to ever change and become a hospitable and welcoming environment it will have to start with finding a new administrator. Aragorn I've had numerous positive exchanges with you, and I personally like you, but your OCD need to attack Bill Ryan has consumed you, in much the same way any obsession eventually becomes a detriment. I can honestly see you stroking and whispering to your hatred for Bill Ryan and referring to it as your precious.

donk
11th May 2017, 12:06
What's going on brother Donk?
I hope all is well.
I know this question is for Aianawa but I'd like to chime in.
I personally listen to David Wilcock for the same reason I watch NFL Football. Now I'm no fool, football is probably rigged and anyone who watches regularly can certainly attest to this, but myself personally I allow myself to get involved in the sport for the same reason people watch professional wrestling, it is a welcome distraction from the doom and gloom of new world orders, depopulation agendas and satanic pedophiles who rule the world.
DW for all of his faults he offers hope, and I'm of the opinion that hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. Pardon my Shawshank reference :lol: but I willfully indulge in DW's yarns because it offers some small pleading voice within me a little hope.
I never did this with Corey Goode, I was awaiting an actual interview so I could read him. And the first interview I heard was just horrible. DW in my opinion has a few kernals of plausible truth sprinkled in, but Goode is complete and utter fabrication, Bill Ryan did an amazing job of pointing this out in his recent interview with Dark Journalist.

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Dang bro that is not how I remember this at all. Sure Christine did the interview that got things rolling, but Bill was on record refuting Corey's claims from the get go. So much so that Corey left Avalon due to Bill's low opinion of him and as we all know Corey really made his name here on ToT.
Now I do not blame Malc or anyone for this, it was just one of those things that happen.

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Damn! I'm reading through this thread, and it is just the same old sh!t.
There are some super intelligent people here of whom I would absolutely LOVE to converse with. I would fricking love it.
But there is just no way I'm going to participate on a forum that CAN NOT FREAKING GET OVER IT.
I mean WTF?
This forum was created by an Avalon member, who recruited Avalon members to participate and dialogue, and now this forum's route to making a name for itself is to spew a constant stream of venom at Avalon? Really? You guys don't have anything better to talk about?
Aragorn you are a capable man and amazingly intelligent but you are not doing this forum any favors in altering this forum into your personal attack platform.
This forum should not be referred to as ToT it should be referred to as FBR because that is the only thing I ever see when I stop in.

I would absolutely love to dialogue with you guys, but there is a infection here and it appears to be terminal.
I will not debate this topic with you Aragorn, and Malc if you ever hope the platform of this forum to ever change and become a hospitable and welcoming environment it will have to start with finding a new administrator. Aragorn I've had numerous positive exchanges with you, and I personally like you, but your OCD need to attack Bill Ryan has consumed you, in much the same way any obsession eventually becomes a detriment. I can honestly see you stroking and whispering to your hatred for Bill Ryan and referring to it as your precious.

Ah, Marcus, lovely of you to pop in.

I guess we both got cases of selective memory. The parts of the creation of Corey Goode that made an impact on me was the roll up to the interview with the "super secret whistleblower" that I remember Bill making a huge deal about, and the period in between Bill choosing to publish it (against Christine's wishes, she claims he did it before Corey gave the green light) and time right before his leaving...ya know, the time we were made to pretend to not know who he was or use the name he signed posts with. I don't remember BR refuting a whole lot then...except any member criticism of Corey, but maybe I'm misremembering?

You don't "blame malc" for offering him similar "protection" in the period after...but attack him for allowing me now to post a perspective you disagree with, in a thread I created (cuz I personally really don't have anything better to talk about)? A thread where he hasn't thanked--let alone written--one post.

You hold malc responsible for allowing my "terminal infection", and act like he's "choosing this route to make a name for itself" when he's done nothing but let me talk about what I want to talk about. Put the responsibility where it belongs, on me...not him bud, but I do sincerely thank you for demonstrating what I consider a good example of "Avalonthink or PAspeak"

And if you actually read the thread, you would note Aragorn stepped out the second it was suggested his postings were perceived as subjectively personal rather than his normal standards of objectivity, he maturely put his adminstrative role ahead of his feelings about contributing as a member and let the conversation continue without him.

He made clear he was ok with not debating ANYONE on the issue, so I don't think not engaging you and your hissy fit is a big loss to him (but it is to me...please don't go Marcus, I truly value your contributions, personal attacks and all :chrs:). One might turn your OCD criticism of him around and note your OCD to defend Bill from any criticism and buy into his revisionist history while worshiping your wonderful forum...I mean, did ya REALLY read all ten pages to give your totally valid summation of this thread?

It's funny, once upon a time I got my (often complemented) tag line from you. If the purpose of your presence is to have conversation with the more intelligent folks, I'd hope you'd have emotional maturity to not only not let my "same old sh!t" bother you so much, but also NOT project your irratation with it on to everyone else but me.

Hope you are well, enjoy cleaning up and unifying the community and saving the world on your lovely forum :ht:

DNA
11th May 2017, 12:37
You don't "blame malc" for offering him similar "protection" in the period after...but attack him for allowing me to post a perspective you disagree with, in a thread I created (cuz I don't have anything better to talk about)?
I don't think I attacked Malc bro. I believe you're attacking Bill is due to the culture of ToT and I don't really think Malc is responsible for that culture as I've alluded to earlier.



And if you actually read the thread, you would note Aragorn stepped out the second it was suggested his postings were criticisized, maturely putting his adminstrative role ahead of his feelings about contributing as a member. He made clear he was ok with not debating ANYONE on the issue, so I don't think not engaging in your history fit is a big loss to him (but it is to me...please don't go Marcus, I values your contributions :chrs:). One might turn your OCD criticism of him around and note your OCD to defend Bill and his revisionist history while worshiping your wonderful forum.
I'm not worshipping anyone. Far from it. I simply understand how hard it is to be a human being, and how easy it is to offend folks and make mistakes. Castaneda states that the tools used by his "inorganic beings" or you could call them the "archons" or the "Djinn" would be manipulating the ease human beings are constantly offended by one another. When we are offended or we feel "wronged" we bleed energy and feed the archons.
I firmly believe this, and it is almost impossible for anyone to not offend someone else at one point or another.
Modwiz knows what I'm talking about when I talk about chief features and it is my supposition that the archons have a specific chief feature on all of us, this is a bridal of sorts, a reign stuck in our minds that activates our need to play out negative behavior. To not be activated by archonic control demands the dedication of a life long monk aware of this affliction.
I'm a bit of a observer of human nature and I absolutely believe we ALL have one of these seven chief features, mind bridals if you will, and as such being a human is freaking hard.
I believe firmly in the Plato saying "Be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle".
That being said I'm not arguing saint hood of anyone, far from it, I'm stating that we ALL make mistakes and I ask the question of you and everyone else here, is it so hard to exercise a little forgiveness from time to time? And if not forgiveness then a healthy detachment to not be so activated by someone else's behavior?



It's funny, once upon a time I got my (often complemented) tag line from you. If the purpose of your presence is to have conversation with the more intelligent folks, I'd hope you'd have emotional maturity to not only not let my "same old sh!t" bother you so much, but also NOT project your irratation with it on everyone else.

Hope you are well, enjoy cleaning up the community and saving the world on your lovely forum
I don't really post on Avalon that often.
The current state of world politics has left me pessimistic, cynical and in a state of political despair.
I'm experiencing Blue Pill envy. Sometimes I just want to forget all of this.
Again, no offense Donk, but I wasn't bothered so much with what you said as I was with Aragorn's practiced response on the first page of this thread. I again think it sets the tone for the forum and encourages this kind of behavior.

donk
11th May 2017, 12:42
I don't think I attacked Malc bro. I believe you're attacking Bill is due to the culture of ToT and I don't really think Malc is responsible for that culture as I've alluded to earlier.

Well you think wrong. If anything, the 'culture' of TOT is tainted by me being here, if you knew anything about malc, and I only claim to "know" one thing: it's that he is very uncomfortable with my bringing up Bill or PA. I think he would LOVE for it to be BillRyan-free

donk
11th May 2017, 12:59
Again, no offense Donk, but I wasn't bothered so much with what you said as I was with Aragorn's practiced response on the first page of this thread. I again think it sets the tone for the forum and encourages this kind of behavior.

Some may see his "practised response" as consistency, and just because he doesn't change his view on things as often as you do doesn't make him an indocterinator of BR hate culture as you seem to be implying.

At any rate, if you read the entire thread, you would see VERY human, probably even "non-archontic", responses to all of the participators in this thread in our interactions with Aragorn. He was acting as member, and the first time there seemed to be an issue with it, he backed off

It's funny, I see all the stuff on PA...the reaction to and postings of Bill about all this cr@p...as "practiced responses", and that's what triggered my "practiced response". Aragorns posts may trigger you, and be what you see when you "pop in", but it is unfair to project that on to the whole forum.

I need to watch myself and make sure I am not doing that to everyone over there, thanks for being a reflection to learn from

donk
11th May 2017, 13:28
And all of this nicely buries and distracts from any REAL and arguable points made in this too-long-for-most to bother to actually read thread...your projecting on it to the "same old sh!t" a nice deterrant from anyone trying to actually hash out any issues those of with different perspectives may want to discuss.

That's the cycle in the forum world. Attacks on "attacks" brings the attention to the personalities/egos...and the politest "authority" gains the appearance of rising above all that, giving them carte blanc to steer the narrrative.

My points that have been buried by your accusations of this forum creating a toxic culture bury my attempt to discuss how your forum might be creating a culture not only perpetuating but actually built on the cycles Bill is now becoming the authority on discussing the problems of. Care to address that?

***added: it may look like the SOS to you, but I see excusing/enabling a toxic pattern for the "greater good" that can come of it. I find this to be a universally human problem--perhaps the biggest, and definitely one of the most difficult to tackle, which is why I have REALLY DO have nothing I think is better to talk about

DNA
11th May 2017, 13:36
I need to watch myself and make sure I am not doing that to everyone over there, thanks for being a reflection to learn from
Your last couple of posts do not really digest what I've said. They are mere attempts to make this into an argument of which you wish to be the winner.
My response was based on the 11th post on this thread (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10917-BR-s-disclosure-on-CG?p=841968300&viewfull=1#post841968300)belonging to Aragorn. The post is only a couple of weeks old and it is exactly the same type of post I was seeing six months ago when I popped in to start posting here and I planned on not posting on Avalon anymore at that time.
I made a few light hearted gestures six months ago in defense of Bill Ryan and this was at a time where I had suffered his wrath, and honestly didn't feel welcome there anymore. But that being said the vast majority of my tine on Avalon I've been treated fairly and I have felt lucky to be a participant there.
This defense I made six months ago turned into something more than lighthearted and I had hoped I could lead Aragorn to seeing the light through a few PM's.
This did not happen, and although I had hoped nothing personal or injurious had happened to mine and Aragorn's on-line relationship I just couldn't post here on ToT knowing the kind of vitriol that was being posted by folks with vocal encouragement from Aragorn.
Am I being triggered by the Bill bashing here? Yes I am. I consider Bill to have enhanced my life with the work he has done and he continues to do, and I've interacted with him on a limited basis, so I feel he is in the friend/acquaintance zone. I like the guy, so yes I feel triggered when folks put so much work into bashing the guy.
I'm sure if I opened up a thread here and spent 1% of the energy that Aragorn has used bashing Bill to bash anyone of the friends you have here on ToT you would be triggered too Donk.
And I can't help but to think that you Donk are looking for a "that a boy" from Aragorn everytime you open a thread like this.
And sure enough Aragorn showed up to not only agree with you, but to add his 98 cents worth, and this is what I'm talking about when I say he is negatively affecting the culture of this forum.
You should ask yourself and truly think about it. Would you have opened a Bill bashing thread if Aragorn hadn't created and encouraged this kind of culture in the first place?
This is why I have said that Aragorn has hijacked The One Truth to be his personal Bill Ryan bashing platform. And yes this triggers me and as much as I would love to come here on a regular basis and converse with yourself and everyone else here, I can not do that based on what this forum has become. As I said, this forum should be renamed to "F#ck Bill Ryan" because that is pretty much all I hear here when I show up.

Dreamtimer
11th May 2017, 13:43
Good job taking responsibility, donk. It's strange to see someone characterize this place as being focused on Mr. Ryan. The preponderance of our content doesn't have much to do with him.

Anyone can take a look at Aragorns posts/threads and you'll see mostly science and tech, much of which does not appear to be discussed over yonder...

This thread is a direct reaction to the thread started by Mr. Ryan himself where he quotes Mr. Maugans and his warning not to go to CTD. If people want to try to characterize it as something different, the characterization falls apart.

Just like in the goode old days, threads can be ignored. It's not so hard.

Or is it?

PurpleLama
11th May 2017, 13:44
Because a person speaks of something does not make them an authority. One may choose to see my contribution to this thread as making me part of the BR fan club, but one would be mistaken in that assessment. There is a wider phenomenon being pointed to, and I believe it is an error to focus in favor of the personalities involved as opposed to the wider phenomenon. Because some do question the credibility of BR, he is still one who enjoys credibility with a wider audience than many journalists/truth seekers, therefore the fact that he initiated the conversation about the problems with the alt media is not a problem for me. It is what the rest of us do with the conversation that matters. Already an abundance of material has been produced that gives me something to direct people to, when I am questioned on the topic of CG/DW. They are the greater danger to the alt media movement, and those like them who are cashing in on peoples credulity. This does not mean I am a sycophant that has set aside my own misgivings, or those of researchers who are more greatly immersed in the background of PA/PC.

donk
11th May 2017, 13:46
Your last couple of posts do not really digest what I've said. They are mere attempts to make this into an argument of which you wish to be the winner.
My response was based on the 11th post on this thread (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10917-BR-s-disclosure-on-CG?p=841968300&viewfull=1#post841968300)belonging to Aragorn. The post is only a couple of weeks old and it is exactly the same type of post I was seeing six months ago when I popped in to start posting here and I planned on not posting on Avalon anymore at that time.
I made a few light hearted gestures six months ago in defense of Bill Ryan and this was at a time where I had suffered his wrath, and honestly didn't feel welcome there anymore. But that being said the vast majority of my tine on Avalon I've been treated fairly and I have felt lucky to be a participant there.
This defense I made six months ago turned into something more than lighthearted and I had hoped I could lead Aragorn to seeing the light through a few PM's.
This did not happen, and although I had hoped nothing personal or injurious had happened to mine and Aragorn's on-line relationship I just couldn't post here on ToT knowing the kind of vitriol that was being posted by folks with vocal encouragement from Aragorn.
Am I being triggered by the Bill bashing here? Yes I am. I consider Bill to have enhanced my life with the work he has done and he continues to do, and I've interacted with him on a limited basis, so I feel he is in the friend/acquaintance zone. I like the guy, so yes I feel triggered when folks put so much work into bashing the guy.
I'm sure if I opened up a thread here and spent 1% of the energy that Aragorn has used bashing Bill to bash anyone of the friends you have here on ToT you would be triggered too Donk.
And I can't help but to think that you Donk are looking for a "that a boy" from Aragorn everytime you open a thread like this.
And sure enough Aragorn showed up to not only agree with you, but to add his 98 cents worth, and this is what I'm talking about when I say he is negatively affecting the culture of this forum.
You should ask yourself and truly think about it. Would you have opened a Bill bashing thread if Aragorn hadn't created and encouraged this kind of culture in the first place?
This is why I have said that Aragorn has hijacked The One Truth to be his personal Bill Ryan bashing platform. And yes this triggers me and as much as I would love to come here on a regular basis and converse with yourself and everyone else here, I can not do that based on what this forum has become. As I said, this forum should be renamed to "F#ck Bill Ryan" because that is pretty much all I hear here when I show up.

Wow dude, you really don't know me...I'm all for a critical analyzing our highest profile administrator--what you'd consider a bash Aragorn thread. Point out this specific abuse to me and I'll start it.

I don't come here to "be right" or win arguments, despite how you choose to characterize me. I'm all for a straight bash-donk thread...in fact when I created my own forum, it was partially with the intent to draw trolls and critics. I come to these places to see perspectives different than my own

Perhaps re-reading my last couple posts will help you in your diegesting them in a way to see they CAN be directly related to your posts and actions and feelings. I feel like I smell what you're cooking bro, and what I am writing speaks DIRECTLY to it.

Aragorn
11th May 2017, 13:47
Some may see his "practised response" as consistency, and just because he doesn't change his view on things as often as you do doesn't make him an indocterinator of BR hate culture as you seem to be implying.

Indeed not. I am a very good judge of character, and it is no secret that I don't particularly like Bill Ryan. However, I acknowledge your intent behind this thread — it's a theme we've already visited before, i.e. Bill Ryan's role as a facilitator for these "alt community" celebrities such as Corey Goode. First he launches them, and then he tears them down again, but without acknowledging his own responsibility in their rise to "alt community" stardom.

I think Bill Ryan could use a couple of lessons in both discernment and responsibility. All of these "celebrities" he has given a launchpad to have ended up disappointing the community: Stephen Hodges, Inelia Benz, Simon Parkes, Corey Goode, Shane Bales, and there will probably be a few more in the future.


At any rate, if you read the entire thread, you would see VERY human, probably even "non-archontic", responses to all of the participators in this thread in our interactions with Aragorn. He was acting as member, and the first time there seemed to be an issue with it, he backed off

The reason why I had backed out of this thread is because of the frat boy mentality — and yes, I post as a member, not as the administrator of The One Truth.

Shane Bales came dropping in and insulted me right away — as a red herring — as well as that he made fun of The One Truth as a whole when I mentioned that we had offered him an interview but that he wouldn't take us up on that, because he knew that we had already figured out that he was a liar and that we were going to confront him with that. Don't take my word for it, ask bsbray — these days known over at Project Avalon as A Voice from the Mountains — because he was the one who was going to conduct the interview and who contacted Shane about it via Skype.

But then Shane comes barging in, insults me, and he gets greeted like an old friend, and his posts all got thanked. And that while everyone knows that Shane was an even bigger liar than Corey Goode, because Corey doesn't realize that he is lying — his mind has been screwed with — while Shane knew perfectly well what he was doing.

And then he goes and projects his own sociopathic ambition to become an "alt community" celebrity onto me, by dragging in something I have said a few times regarding the origin of my soul. And then I defend myself, but none of the people who thanked Shane's posts — plural — could be bothered with thanking the posts in which I defended myself.

So that made it crystal clear to me that Shane is part of the frat boy club and that I'm not — not that I want to be, and if people want to dislike me because I happen to be the administrator here, then that's their problem, not mine — and that people are willing to forgive him for his Ruiner game, while they still keep on referring to Corey Goode as a douche. Double standards anyone?

And that is why I've chosen to back out of this thread. My opinions are obviously not welcome here.

Oh and by the way — this one's for Marcus — I am definitely not a hatemonger on account of Bill Ryan. In fact, I was complaining a few days ago — on the open forum — that the frat boys only ever look at this thread here, while both Outlander and myself have just posted threads with huge announcements, and none of you guys have even looked at them.

And this one here is for Phil: Malc doesn't monitor this thread because he's very busy. He's got a steady job again, and he has a wife and five children. And he doesn't mind so much anymore that somebody brings up Bill Ryan. In fact, if memory serves me right, then I think you initially posted this thread in the members-only section, but I moved it into The Watchdog, which is publicly visible, and I think that the subject of this thread as you intended it has value for the community at large.


It's funny, I see all the stuff on PA...the reaction to and postings of Bill about all this cr@p...as "practiced responses", and that's what triggered my "practiced response". Aragorns posts may trigger you, and be what you see when you "pop in", but it is unfair to project that on to the whole forum.

It was Bill Ryan who started this over at Project Avalon, and with multiple threads at the same time. So indeed, that seems like a practised response to me. In fact, I'm pretty certain that it is.

And why Corey again? Why not Simon Parkes? Why not Stephen Hodges? Why not Shane Bales? Because it's personal, that's why. Bill Ryan is a vindictive man, and he loves to hate Corey Goode.


I need to watch myself and make sure I am not doing that to everyone over there, thanks for being a reflection to learn from

At least you're consistent in where you are going with this thread, which is more than I can say of some of the other participants. ;)

donk
11th May 2017, 13:52
Because some do question the credibility of BR, he is still one who enjoys credibility with a wider audience than many journalists/truth seekers, therefore the fact that he initiated the conversation about the problems with the alt media is not a problem for me.

Reilly, this is exactly why I choose the word "authority"...can you give me a better or accurate or even just more favorable-to-you word to use for what I bolded?

I'm glad it's not a problem for you, to me how he got it is the deeper problem than the one he is "enjoying credibility with a wider audience" about

I certainly don't think you're a sychophant...but it's beyond the scope of possibility that you are acting as bit of enabler in this situation? (At least from my point of view? Is it completely invalid? If so, how?)

Aragorn
11th May 2017, 13:53
Your last couple of posts do not really digest what I've said. They are mere attempts to make this into an argument of which you wish to be the winner.
My response was based on the 11th post on this thread (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10917-BR-s-disclosure-on-CG?p=841968300&viewfull=1#post841968300)belonging to Aragorn. The post is only a couple of weeks old and it is exactly the same type of post I was seeing six months ago when I popped in to start posting here and I planned on not posting on Avalon anymore at that time.
I made a few light hearted gestures six months ago in defense of Bill Ryan and this was at a time where I had suffered his wrath, and honestly didn't feel welcome there anymore. But that being said the vast majority of my tine on Avalon I've been treated fairly and I have felt lucky to be a participant there.
This defense I made six months ago turned into something more than lighthearted and I had hoped I could lead Aragorn to seeing the light through a few PM's.
This did not happen, and although I had hoped nothing personal or injurious had happened to mine and Aragorn's on-line relationship I just couldn't post here on ToT knowing the kind of vitriol that was being posted by folks with vocal encouragement from Aragorn.
Am I being triggered by the Bill bashing here? Yes I am. I consider Bill to have enhanced my life with the work he has done and he continues to do, and I've interacted with him on a limited basis, so I feel he is in the friend/acquaintance zone. I like the guy, so yes I feel triggered when folks put so much work into bashing the guy.
I'm sure if I opened up a thread here and spent 1% of the energy that Aragorn has used bashing Bill to bash anyone of the friends you have here on ToT you would be triggered too Donk.
And I can't help but to think that you Donk are looking for a "that a boy" from Aragorn everytime you open a thread like this.
And sure enough Aragorn showed up to not only agree with you, but to add his 98 cents worth, and this is what I'm talking about when I say he is negatively affecting the culture of this forum.
You should ask yourself and truly think about it. Would you have opened a Bill bashing thread if Aragorn hadn't created and encouraged this kind of culture in the first place?
This is why I have said that Aragorn has hijacked The One Truth to be his personal Bill Ryan bashing platform. And yes this triggers me and as much as I would love to come here on a regular basis and converse with yourself and everyone else here, I can not do that based on what this forum has become. As I said, this forum should be renamed to "F#ck Bill Ryan" because that is pretty much all I hear here when I show up.

I cannot begin to tell you how wrong you are, and how little you know me. So I'm not even going to try. You're entitled to your opinions, Marcus, even if they are so far off course that even the Hubble telescope wouldn't be able to see their trajectory anymore.


:fpalm:

donk
11th May 2017, 14:09
Alright DNA...I can see where your issue with aragorn lies, ya both are so damn certain in your projection of your victimhood, not to mention everyone else's intentions. I would LOVE to move on from that, but even suggesting it makes me everything I can't stand...someone not willing to get past personal issues to see if there are any real ones that would be helpful to resolve, so please...lay out your cases for the abuses of those you accuse**.

Just to point out an example: I actually thought you moved my thread FROM a public one TO a private one (without even mentioning it), I even mentioned it to a friend. I didn't REACT immediately, I took a step back and realized I was WRONG. For a second i thought you were following malcs old pattern of burying BR stuff and Bill's of not being transparent when you adminstate other people's post. I am telling you now you were wrong to assume to think I wanted this private...to be clear I don't think I EVER wanted anything i said on any forum to be private, I think the idea of private threads are silly....family secrets.

Also, I apologize for being WRONG in my perception of malc, my personal dealings with him had me certain he would prefer (to the point of LOVING IT) if I didn't start this thread. Thank you for correcting me. And sorry for ANY characterization I made about the impression of you that I have from our interactions...I welcome, BEG FOR EVEN, any false statement that I made

I do not want to WIN. I want to find truth and resolve issues.

**added, to be honest and maybe even fair, I don't see Aragorn accusing Marcus of abuse, this statement was made more for Marcus to point to his examples of him abusing Bill, as I have only really seen Aragorn "abuse" Shane

Aragorn
11th May 2017, 14:24
Alright DNA...I can see where your issue with aragorn lies, ya both are so damn certain in your projection of your victimhood, not to mention everyone else's intentions. I would LOVE to move on from that, but even suggesting it makes me everything I can't stand...someone not willing to get past personal issues to see if there are any real ones that would be helpful to resolve, so please...lay out your cases for the abuses of those you accuse.

Just for the record, Phil, I don't see myself as a victim here. It was merely a deduction, and like I said, I don't have a need for being in anybody's frat club. (I never joined any fraternity while I was in college either. :p)


Just to point out an example: I actually thought you moved my thread FROM a public one TO a private one (without even mentioning it), I even mentioned it to a friend. I didn't REACT immediately, I took a step back and realized I was WRONG

Also, I apologize for being WRONG in my perception of malc, my personal dealings with him had me certain he would prefer (to the point of LOVING IT) if I didn't start this thread. Thank you for correcting me. And sorry for ANY characterization I made about the impression of you that I have from our interactions...I welcome, BEG FOR EVEN, any false statement that I made

I do not want to WIN. I want to find truth and resolve issues.

I have recognized from the onset of this thread here that this was your intent, Phil, and that is why I felt that this thread belongs in The Watchdog. Questioning the role of the players involved in the Corey Goode story — and other stories — is legitimate. And it's not just Bill Ryan. David Wilcock is even more responsible, because he's (literally) capitalizing on Corey's story.

You started this thread because it was Project Avalon that brought up the Corey issue again, but of course while conveniently overlooking Bill Ryan's own responsibility in the matter. It's actually silly that he chooses to lock his crosshairs on Corey Goode again, while there are so many other charlatans floating about in this so-called "alt community", and The Man With The Hat™ has had a hand in the rise to fame of many of them.

I just wish — and perhaps Marcus will sleep better now that I'm emphasizing this — that people would also look at the other threads being posted here at the forum. There's more to life on Planet Earth than Bill Ryan and Corey Goode. ;)

donk
11th May 2017, 14:32
Thank you for concisely stating a key point in my starting this thread. Also thank you for bringing it out of the darkness i accidentally put it in.

Honest apologies for any mischaracterization of your intentions. And thanks for not getting bent about my pointing out the behavior DNA (and others) could see in a few of your statements that DO appear to be personal and even "vitriolic". I mistakenly felt when I pointed that out to you earlier in this thread is what prompted to you take your leave, I am glad we could clarify.

Back to the topic, you clarified my direct question to DNA: could you please address my perception on the situation I tried to make as personality and ego free discussion of that I could...and Aragorn just summed up in a paragraph...is my viewpoint completely invalid and even problematic to you?

donk
11th May 2017, 14:44
Semi-tangentially but definitely on topic: why do you think anything close to this subject seem to take dozens of pages and numerous personal emotional eruptions to discuss?

And having seen me attempt this so many times in the past, and after honestly reviewing this entire thread, would I be able to say I'm improving on leading a more focused discussion on it? (Noting I have no control of anyone who chooses to participate exterior to myself)

Which kind of leads to, what was the true purpose of your presence, Marcus? Was my title not clear? Has the criticism (IN THIS THREAD) been unfair? Did you expect more balance? Could you have brought some yourself, or was your initial post your best attempt to do that?

Fred Steeves
11th May 2017, 14:47
Marcus you're a good guy, And you're a smart guy. About most things. What you have wound up doing here today however, is to offer a teachable moment by demonstrating a prime example of "their mind" in play. Interesting you bring that up.

The reason you cannot go down the path of history, logic, evidence, and reason concerning this particular subject, is because "their mind" works through emotion, (I want! Mine! I don't like that!) It literally renders one incapable of considering fact or reason, even as said person (you in this case) thinks they are thinking clearly. I also used to be in your shoes, but one of us eventually tuned in enough to be able to begin observing this pbenomena in themselves, while the other one did not.

The reality of this situation is staring you dead in the eye, but because you are looking at it with clinging emotion and not cold cool logic, it is flying right over your head. It doesn't make you a bad person because we all suffer this condition to varying degrees, it just renders you unaware that you too suffer from this condition. Logic urges one to read the whole thread before rendering judgment, their mind sees one thing it doesn't like and immediately labels it "bad!"

PL, I don't think you're a sychophant either, not for one second. However, like donk I think you are definitely enabling the situation. Brother, I thought you knew better than that. It really doesn't matter who's driving the dream bus, so long as it's going somewhere?

jonsnow
11th May 2017, 15:06
Aragon is one of the top posters here and is both a credit and joy to have around.

DNA does have a point I had a interesting conversation with a now ex-member ( who will remain nameless) that one of the reasons he gave for leaving was the Bill Ryan bashing from a lot of people here .i believe DNA was wrong to single out Aragon for I believe he is always fair reasonable and was banned at Avalon by Bill Ryan for strange reasons which I unclear of for he is a great poster and moderator.

Aragorn
11th May 2017, 15:13
Thank you for concisely stating a key point in my starting this thread. Also thank you for bringing it out of the darkness i accidentally put it in.

I have to rectify something here — my mistake: you had not originally posted this thread in a members-only section of the forum, but rather in Disclosure Talk, which is also publicly visible. However, like I said, I felt that it better belonged here in The Watchdog, where subjects such as this one are right at home, and The Watchdog is just as publicly visible as Disclosure Talk. ;)


Honest apologies for any mischaracterization of your intentions. And thanks for not getting bent about my pointing out the behavior DNA (and others) could see in a few of your statements that DO appear to be personal and even "vitriolic". I mistakenly felt when I pointed that out to you earlier in this thread is what prompted to you take your leave, I am glad we could clarify.

I wrote the things that I wrote about Bill Ryan earlier because those are my convictions. I did not write those things out of hatred. It's just that people have short attention spans and they easily forget, so when Bill Ryan comes up as a subject, I feel that I need to point out the facts — no more, no less.

But indeed, the reason why I backed out of the thread had nothing to do with Bill Ryan or my vocal opinions of him. It had to do with the way Shane was greeted like a hero, while he's a much bigger fraud in my opinion than Corey Goode, and likewise, I was clearly given the hint that I'm not one of the frat boys — even though, again, that has never been my ambition. I am the administrator of this forum and it is my job to make sure that things remain clean here. (I've just deleted a new registration by a spammer whom I've banned only two weeks ago.)

As a member of this community, I also post stuff which I think is interesting, and which could be of value to the other forum members as well. But I've never participated in any popularity contest. I prefer doing the right thing, rather than the popular thing.





Semi-tangentially but definitely on topic: why do you think anything close to this subject seem to take dozens of pages and numerous personal emotional eruptions to discuss?

Because of the savior paradigm. Bill Ryan is still a savior in the eyes of many, from back when he and Kerry Cassidy were doing groundbreaking work on account of interviews. By this, I don't mean that one should believe everything that their interviewees have said, but at least Bill and Kerry were out there, and it was through their work in Project Camelot that I garnered a lot of information that I didn't have yet before. They've done a lot more in that regard than David Wilcock, for that matter.


And having seen me attempt this so many times in the past, and after honestly reviewing this entire thread, would I be able to say I'm improving on leading a more focused discussion on it? (Noting I have no control of anyone who chooses to participate exterior to myself)

Yes, it is my impression that you are getting better at directing a thread such as this one. That is why I said that you're consistent. ;)

Elen
11th May 2017, 15:30
Aragon is one of the top posters here and is both a credit and joy to have around.

DNA does have a point I had a interesting conversation with a now ex-member ( who will remain nameless) that one of the reasons he gave for leaving was the Bill Ryan bashing from a lot of people here .i believe DNA was wrong to single out Aragon for I believe he is always fair reasonable and was banned at Avalon by Bill Ryan for strange reasons which I unclear of for he is a great poster and moderator.

Thanks jonsnow, I appreciate where your thinking/feeling is coming from. well said. And may I add to the mix that Aragorn is caring more for this forum than anybody else ever could. There isn't anybody that could take his place here at the moment. His thinking is crystal clear with a knowledge of science and IT that the rest of us can only learn from. He has officially reported that he has been classified as autistic, i.e. never be able to forget anything, which is a real asset to a forum in any case...BUT he has the heart in the right place...now doesn't that count? Bill Ryan has most probably failed on some issues. (Who wouldn't?) I am waiting for the moment when donk (or anybody else) has finally said the last word on this issue so that we can start studying things of importance to humanity and what can take us ONE STEP FURTHER. If I haven't said it before...I want to say it now...I love this forum and the platform it is offering for our studies and our missions here. It doesn't have to be a negative one. :h5:

jonsnow
11th May 2017, 15:40
I am not a fan of watchdog threads so I will withdraw from this thread :nails: later

I normally do not read or post on watchdog but I read a personal attack on Aragon and I felt I must comment while I felt DNA had a point on the Bill Ryan bashing which has been pointed out to me by ex-member ( which I believe is true ) here I felt it was unfair to single out Aragon who I think acts with integrity

donk
11th May 2017, 15:44
I wrote the things that I wrote about Bill Ryan earlier because those are my convictions. I did not write those things out of hatred. It's just that people have short attention spans and they easily forget, so when Bill Ryan comes up as a subject, I feel that I need to point out the facts — no more, no less.

I can see this quite clearly sir, I totally understood this as my own perception of you from everything that I've seen, which is why I asked DNA for evidence of you doing otherwise. However, can you apply that to how you approach talking about Shane?

donk
11th May 2017, 15:50
Thanks jonsnow, I appreciate where your thinking/feeling is coming from. well said. And may I add to the mix that Aragorn is caring more for this forum than anybody else ever could. There isn't anybody that could take his place here at the moment. His thinking is crystal clear with a knowledge of science and IT that the rest of us can only learn from. He has officially reported that he has been classified as autistic, i.e. never be able to forget anything, which is a real asset to a forum in any case...BUT he has the heart in the right place...now doesn't that count? Bill Ryan has most probably failed on some issues. (Who wouldn't?) I am waiting for the moment when donk (or anybody else) has finally said the last word on this issue so that we can start studying things of importance to humanity and what can take us ONE STEP FURTHER. If I haven't said it before...I want to say it now...I love this forum and the platform it is offering for our studies and our missions here. It doesn't have to be a negative one. :h5:

Why would you do EXACTLY what DNA did, and let one person/issue completely this forum for you?

To your BR-esque big picture soliton, because I put one foot in front of the other, I'm not ready to take that next step til I'm satisified with this one...I don't get ahead of myself. Apologies for discussing things on a single thread I guess you have no choice but to look at

And jonsnow: then why post on it?

This is a forum, with many threads...who among you have a gun to your head to read my monologues? That was not my intent, I wanted to have a conversation about the topic I put in my title. If you don't like it, why read it? Let alone post in it?

Elen
11th May 2017, 15:54
Why would you do EXACTLY what DNA did, and let one person/issue completely this forum for you?

To your BR-esque big picture soliton, because I put one foot in front of the other, I'm not ready to take that next step til I'm satisified with this one...I don't get ahead of myself. Apologies for discussing things on a single thread I guess you have no choice but to look at

And jonsnow: then why post on it?

No donk I am not in his camp...I am in my own...please see the difference.

Maggie
11th May 2017, 16:07
Well you think wrong. If anything, the 'culture' of TOT is tainted by me being here, if you knew anything about malc, and I only claim to "know" one thing: it's that he is very uncomfortable with my bringing up Bill or PA. I think he would LOVE for it to be BillRyan-free

Actually, other than the fact you have the right to post whatever you's guys want to post, this discussion/conversation will get no satisfaction because it cannot DO anything about one's real world need for truth and trust. The game being played is very old and suckers get forumitis. It is the inflammation from having been "taken in" that hurts.

1. There are ancient threads in all forums that this theme repeats and they never stick. They cycle around back to "blaming" IMO someone for disappointments and emotional reactions. No where at no time will it be possible to be re-imbursed for the energy expended in futility.
2. Using forums for emotional gratification is as possible as actually drinking anything in a forum "lounge".

This is my committment to myself...from now on to avoid reading and never write about BR and PA and all this whistling in the wind. Live LONG and feel WONDERFUL and follow one's genius and thrive is the only possible revenge towards all who have let us down. best wishes and much love for those suffering from forumitis.

donk
11th May 2017, 16:09
You're right, sorry, "moving on" form unresolved issues, especially out of fear of tarnishing his image, is totally not his thing.

Please change the title of the thread to:

donk attempts a conversation about BR's "Truth About CG"

...and put up a HUGE disclaimer that appears on EVERY page: NOTHING IN THIS THREAD SHOULD REFLECT ON THE CULTURE OF THIS FORUM, DONK'S OPINIONS ARE NOT ONLY COUNTER TO OUR TRUE SPIRIT, WE DON'T EVEN APPRECIATE HIS INTENTIONS HERE

Aragorn
11th May 2017, 16:35
I wrote the things that I wrote about Bill Ryan earlier because those are my convictions. I did not write those things out of hatred. It's just that people have short attention spans and they easily forget, so when Bill Ryan comes up as a subject, I feel that I need to point out the facts — no more, no less.

I can see this quite clearly sir, I totally understood this as my own perception of you from everything that I've seen, which is why I asked DNA for evidence of you doing otherwise. However, can you apply that to how you approach talking about Shane?

Well, none of us in the mod room — past or present — ever fell for Shane's fabrications, and Shane himself wasn't a problem here at The One Truth, because he didn't post all that much. The problem was with Shane's rabid followers — I'm not going to name any names but we all know who they are/were.

However, Shane had been outed as a storyteller — there had been some sleuthing in the back-channels by a number of people, and Shane had already more or less admitted that everything he wrote on that Ruiner blog was just fiction. Furthermore, Shane attempted to use emotional manipulation toward myself by feigning friendship — not dissimilar to what Bill Ryan also does. That's why it was easily recognizable. The writing was all over the wall.

When Shane decided to join in on this thread here, he immediately went for the jugular, i.e. that which I had said about my soul origins, combined with the false accusation that I would have been jealous of his success and that I would have aspired to become as popular as he and Corey were, but that I had not succeeded. That was preposterous, and pure projection. Furthermore, when I tried to point out to him what the purpose of The Watchdog was, he started mocking the whole forum, and he lied about having asked for his account to be retired — he had never asked for that, because we would have known.

The above reactions are all typical for a sociopath, and I'm not the first one to call him that, but I had been giving him the benefit of the doubt right up until he posted what he did here on the thread, dropping his mask in the process. There was no "love & respect" — his usual phrase for signing his PMs — in any of that. He was arrogant and disdainful.

So yes, again, I have no hatred for Shane — not at all, even — but I am calling him as I see him, and I am now convinced that he is, indeed, a sociopath, just as others have already stated earlier.

What I found much worse, however, was the way in which people here on the thread were embracing him as some kind of hero, even after his high school bully-style attack on me, while in their mind raising their middle finger at me for defending myself. That, to me, was unbelievably immature. "Yeah, Shane is our homie, so shut up, administrator dude. You're not one of us."

Look at who thanked those three posts by myself, and who didn't. And look at who thanked Shane's posts. I'm sure you'll be able to see a pattern. So my issue is not with Shane himself, but with the infantile reactions of some of the participants of this thread, and with the fact that this thread has since its inception also virtually been the only thread on the forum these people look at.

If the above is an indicator of the spiritual maturity of the so-called "alt community", then we're in bad shape. :hmm:




P.S.: Just for everyone's information, I don't know whether Marcus will be back again to respond to the questions you asked him. He has requested for his account to be retired, and as I'm writing this, he's only got 17 hours left anymore to revoke his request.

donk
11th May 2017, 16:40
Actually, other than the fact you have the right to post whatever you's guys want to post, this discussion/conversation will get no satisfaction because it cannot DO anything about one's real world need for truth and trust. The game being played is very old and suckers get forumitis. It is the inflammation from having been "taken in" that hurts.

1. There are ancient threads in all forums that this theme repeats and they never stick. They cycle around back to "blaming" IMO someone for disappointments and emotional reactions. No where at no time will it be possible to be re-imbursed for the energy expended in futility.
2. Using forums for emotional gratification is as possible as actually drinking anything in a forum "lounge".

This is my committment to myself...from now on to avoid reading and never write about BR and PA and all this whistling in the wind. Live LONG and feel WONDERFUL and follow one's genius and thrive is the only possible revenge towards all who have let us down. best wishes and much love for those suffering from forumitis.

I disagree Maggie, I personally learn a lot from these threads. I use and value the threads and forums and personalities differently than you are describing. If not giving your energy to this topic serves you, I applaud your choice to no longer waste it here.

IMO, the conversation I wanted to have is about enabling. I don't see that going away any time soon, and I find utility in discussing here with people who choose to participate.

Even the emotionally triggered, who feel compelled to voice their distaste with the choice to post about it.

ADMIN: If this thread is in violation of forum rules, please delete it. If you see me as an enemy to the spirit of TOT, please revoke my membership

jonsnow
11th May 2017, 16:42
And jonsnow: then why post on it?

why would you defend a friend lol


donk attempts a conversation about BR's "Truth About CG"


i value your opinion while we do not always agree sometimes i learn things although people say i am very stubborn yet i try to hear people out

Aragorn
11th May 2017, 16:55
IMO, the conversation I wanted to have is about enabling. I don't see that going away any time soon, and I find utility in discussing here with people who choose to participate.

Even the emotionally triggered, who feel compelled to voice their distaste with the choice to post about it.

Even though Project Avalon has been the flight deck that some of these "alt community" celebrities have taken off from, I think it's equally important to also talk about ourselves as a community when it comes to the subject of enabling.

And that, then, ties in with another subject you've already addressed a few times, i.e. the savior paradigm. People don't want to work on themselves — hell, even Corey, who preaches that sort of thing, has seriously failed to lift himself above the petty-mindedness of the average human being — but they do expect others to work on themselves, and they are waiting for yet another savior, a guru, a new messiah.

That, to me, is what's wrong with this community, and this is something of which I know that Maggie agrees with me. Believing in conspiracies and UFOs isn't enlightenment. It isn't even "being awake and aware". It's just walking over to a different compartment of the building, but still on the same floor, while the staircase and the elevator are in a completely different direction.



ADMIN: If this thread is in violation of forum rules, please delete it. If you see me as an enemy to the spirit of TOT, please revoke my membership

This thread is not in violation of the forum rules, nor does the management of The One Truth regard you as an enemy of the spirit of the forum. On the contrary, we value your opinion and your commitment to finding the truth. ;)


:h5:

Fred Steeves
11th May 2017, 17:31
In Fred's softest and most sensitive voice. Barely above a whisper: Everything is fine here. Nothing is wrong or out of place, and it's always been that way. Those dark shadows you thought you saw lurking in the corner? Why, those were really just fluffy white cotton ball clouds you saw floating by. Your mind just made them look all dark and nasty, but it's all over now Baby Blue.

Just think "white cotton ball", and that's what they will once again be. You don't see Bill trying to expose any nasty business, so why should you? It's not socially polite, or acceptable... Now my best recommendation to get us past all this ahum, shall we say, unpleasantness?

I say we engage in something important, something that really has a chance of intelligent discussion. Why don't we talk about, the #11? Yes, the #11, and all the numerogical values assigned this mystical and magical number. A show of hands in favor please. Let's move on shall we?

donk
11th May 2017, 20:32
Thank you Fred, your facetiousness illustrates the "deflectors" view. It's nice to see we've (slightly) grown a bit out of it

A lot of people will see only the personal (ego) issues they can relate to. Some might see the general, broader picture, how energy direction is easily manipulated by those with more awareness or authority. And some may see how (on many levels) they are truly victimized by this dynamic

Not "playing the victim" or "feeding their victimhood", but actually caught, used, in a hard to break cycle that prevents any real steps toward "moving on"

You can't help "the world" if you can't help yourself...stuck thinking you're helping the "greater good", especially when all you're doing is helping some other ego help itself

Aragorn
11th May 2017, 22:29
[...] I felt it was unfair to single out Aragon who I think acts with integrity and was personally banned and legally threatened by name and email address as was the One truth by the man with the hat

I have to correct you on something here, old friend. ;) Yes, it was Bill Ryan himself who banned me from Avalon, and he did pass on my personal information and e-mail address to Simon Parkes, but it was Simon Parkes who threatened Malc and myself with legal action, not Bill Ryan.

Bill Ryan has — to the best of my knowledge, based upon what I have been told by my predecessor — threatened to sue The One Truth at some point in time (in 2015), but he has never threatened me personally. ;)

jonsnow
11th May 2017, 22:55
I have to correct you on



corrected and amended with sorry to both Bill Ryan and Aragon hope all good :fpalm:

my bad

Aragorn
12th May 2017, 16:27
I want to share something with all of you, which should make it clear that I do not hate Bill Ryan or Project Avalon, in spite of earlier vocalizations of my criticisms on account of the man and his forum.

I woke up in the middle of the night last night — the clock read something like 00:20 or whereabouts — from a very vivid and rather agreeable dream. In this dream, The One Truth and Project Avalon were not just forums, but physical places, not dissimilar to university campuses. The setting was a typical warm spring evening, after sunset, but before the onset of complete darkness.




Project Avalon was located at the edge of a lush green forest, and had the appearance of a medieval castle, with towers, an approximately five-meter-wide moat — filled with water, of course — and with a wooden bridge across the moat of approximately three and a half meters in width. Yet, they did have very modern amenities. The path toward Avalon — including the bridge across the moat — was illuminated by small but tasteful electric lanterns on both sides, placed approximately one meter above the ground, and spaced about two to three meters apart. From what I could tell, the inside of Avalon was also lit with modern electric lighting.

The One Truth on the other hand was located in a more urban setting. Not exactly smack downtown — we also had some lush green in our environment, and there were also ponds — but I remember observing that The One Truth was strategically far better located than Avalon because we had a direct connection with all of the main roads leading in and out of the town. The One Truth was also slightly smaller than Avalon, but not all that much smaller, and we also had towers, but — and here lies the big contrast — it had an ultramodern appearance. Somewhat futuristic even, with much higher towers. And I remember that it felt like home to me.

There was quite a bit of a distance between The One Truth and Project Avalon, but it nevertheless still qualified as walking distance — say a ten-to-fifteen-minute walk.

For some reason that wasn't clear to me — hey, it was a dream and dreams aren't always logical — I found myself in the area between The One Truth and Project Avalon, and actually quite close to the latter's location. There were people all around, because it wasn't pitch dark just yet, and it was a warm spring evening. And suddenly, I ran into Bill Ryan. He looked just as he always does, wearing very casual clothing, and of course his inseparable hat. He recognized me and grinned.

I felt a little uncomfortable because I had been criticizing him quite harshly here at the forum in recent days. Nevertheless, I walked up to him, with in the back of my mind the fact that our brothers modwiz and Aianawa have recently been discussing Bill Ryan on the TOTcasts, and that modwiz had also dedicated one of his Mystic Brew videos to the subject of Bill Ryan's recent statements regarding the state of the so-called "alternative community".

I greeted Bill, and he greeted me back. There was no resentment from either side. I asked him how he had been, and even though he did not ask me anything at all, I started talking a bit about The One Truth to him, telling him about some of what we had been up to, and what we've been talking about recently, including the subject of Corey Goode, of course.

Bill and I started talking about the so-called "alternative community", and it was all very cordial. We were both pointing out some of the problems of the community, such as a lack of discernment, the credibility of whistleblowers and alleged witnesses, and so on. Then, as we had been standing there and talking for quite a while, I was getting thirsty, and even though I knew — at least, in my dream — that Bill wouldn't have minded if we took the conversation into Project Avalon's lounge room, I chose to invite Bill over to the lounge room of The One Truth.

Bill accepted my invitation, and next thing we were over at The One Truth, sitting at the bar of the lounge room. I pointed out to Bill that I felt that The One Truth was strategically better located than Avalon because we were near all of the main roads, but I did not tell him that in order to mock or insult him — it was merely something I had observed and that I mentioned in passing.

Then, as the conversation neared its end, Bill decided to return to Avalon — he probably had some work to do over there — and he offered to buy drinks for the whole house, but I declined and I said that this last round was on me, and I told the bartender to put it on my tab. After all, I had invited Bill into our lounge, and he had accepted, which means that I was the host and he was my guest, and I would have been a terrible host if I had allowed for the guest to pay for the drinks.

So then after that last drink, Bill went off back to Avalon, all by himself, on foot. And I remained with the feeling that we had accomplished something there, and that The One Truth and Project Avalon were going to be working together in the future on account of being a kind of community watchdog, warning the community about so-called witnesses and whistleblowers who are only seeking to become "alt media heroes", and in guiding the community onto the discovery of the truths that are being held from us all by The Powers That Be™.





Thus far my dream. If I had truly hated Bill Ryan, then I would not have invited him over to The One Truth's lounge, nor would I have offered to put the drinks on my tab. Hell, I wouldn't even have walked up to him and greeted him in the first place.

I have said it before, and I will say it again: I do not see Bill Ryan as a monster or an evil person. I do however see him as a man with (serious) flaws, and I feel that he should be honest enough to acknowledge — even to himself — that he does have these flaws, and to then start working on subduing them so that he can become a better human being. The "practise what you preach" adage. Talking the talk and walking the walk. And up to this point, I have not seen him do any of that yet.

As for Bill Ryan's style, or that of Project Avalon as a whole, perhaps the fact that it appeared like a medieval castle in my dream, versus the ultramodern appearance of The One Truth, would be some kind of symbolism. Likewise for the strategic location near the roads. I do feel that Project Avalon is very "old school" and that The One Truth is a lot more modern — perhaps I should say "more evolved".

I see Project Avalon (and Bill Ryan himself) still clinging to the savior paradigm, because I honestly do believe that Bill Ryan himself legitimately believed in the truthfulness of all these people whom he has put in the limelight. I think that this is exactly his problem on account of being an information broker: he needs more discernment. And I'm not going to be a hypocrite about it either, because we too as a forum, and I myself as an individual, have been through that stage, and have had to shed that off of us/me, once we/I realized that all of these characters are only keeping us running in circles and chasing our own tails. They are a distraction.

The Truth™ lies within ourselves, and within our discernment. There is not going to be any sudden ascension or enlightenment. There is not going to be anyone who'll come and save us. And the following is something Bill Ryan himself has already stated several times, and which David Icke has also already addressed multiple times: we are the cavalry that we're waiting for. It's us. Not ET, nor Jesus/Yeshua, nor Donald Trump or Vladimir Putin.

We have to start practising what we preach, instead of merely consuming information and expecting others to do the work for us. I've been saying this for a long time already, and I've been trying to show people in subtle and sometimes not so subtle ways by being the change I wish to see. And I wouldn't want it any other way, because I am who I am and this is what I do. But I see very few people picking up on it, and very few others who've already discovered by themselves that they have to walk the walk.

Many people have trouble getting over their own egos. And that is silly. We all are who we are as individuals, but we also all carry something within us which is the same in everyone, namely consciousness — the divine spark. We are all one, and yet we are many. And we all live on this planet, ruled by a secretive, psychopathic and parasitic elite that thinks of us as cattle.

It is time to bury those bloody old hatchets and start working together. This is not about The One Truth versus Project Avalon. This is about us, humanity, against the evil parasites who corral us like livestock, then start wars between us, and then feed themselves off of our suffering. I wonder what that elite minority would do if their cattle suddenly started a stampede toward the exit of the corral... ;)




P.S.: The account of Marcus/DNA has now been put in retirement, as per his own request. We have given him 24 hours to rescind that request — actually, it was a few hours longer because I wasn't at the keyboard when the deadline expired — but he has declined to do so.

And just for in the event that anyone here would still have any doubts regarding my integrity, no, the retirement of Marcus' account has nothing to do with his insults and allegations toward me higher up the thread, nor does retirement equal banning. Marcus himself did request his retirement, and we have that on record.

As a retired member, Marcus still has the exact same access as an unregistered visitor, i.e. he has full access to the public sections of the forum, but he won't be able to see anything from the various members-only sections, nor will he be able to use the forum's private messaging system. And as some of you have already come to experience, a retired account can always be restored to active status again — it takes less than a minute to do so.

modwiz
12th May 2017, 19:42
Really good post, Aragorn.

donk
12th May 2017, 21:30
One of my main intentions for this thread was to analyze whether what Bill is doing is truly "helping" or "cleaning up" the "community". The personality/ego emotional eruptions seem to ALWAYS distract from that whenever I tried.

Uniting some existing social constructs, while seems all nice and pleasant...is problematic to me. I see the foundation of this "beautiful dream" to be based on a foundation of deception and enabling, which to me is a fractal reflection of how abusive relationships thrive, from the geo-political down to the inter-personal. A huge underlying problem is being seen as a "value".

The loops will continue as long as this how we continue to approach it. Only when we stop lying to ourselves, and allowing others' lies and deception, can we hope to break it.

Aianawa
12th May 2017, 21:34
And really amazing dream, thanks for sharing.

Aragorn
12th May 2017, 23:15
One of my main intentions for this thread was to analyze whether what Bill is doing is truly "helping" or "cleaning up" the "community". The personality/ego emotional eruptions seem to ALWAYS distract from that whenever I tried.

Uniting some existing social constructs, while seems all nice and pleasant...is problematic to me. I see the foundation of this "beautiful dream" to be based on a foundation of deception and enabling, which to me is a fractal reflection of how abusive relationships thrive, from the geo-political down to the inter-personal. A huge underlying problem is being seen as a "value".

The loops will continue as long as this how we continue to approach it. Only when we stop lying to ourselves, and allowing others' lies and deception, can we hope to break it.

Oh, don't get me wrong, Phil — even though from the looks of things, the misinterpretation of my words, my actions and my intentions seems to have become somewhat of a new pass-time around here lately. :rolleyes:


:fpalm:

First of all, it was only a dream, albeit a very inspiring and revealing one. Secondly, The One Truth has no intention whatsoever to merge with Project Avalon. We have our own identity and our own style, and that is how we'd all like to keep it, thank you very much. Besides, I seriously doubt whether Project Avalon itself would be wanting to merge with us, given their prejudices.

What I have picked up from this dream is that there could be a point in the (possibly near) future where The One Truth and Project Avalon could be exchanging ideas and/or information that would serve the global "alternative community", and that there is no need to keep on sharpening the blades, on either side. That's all there is to it.

If the dream illustrated anything very clearly, then it's how different Project Avalon is from The One Truth — the medieval castle in the woods versus the ultramodern campus on the edge of a town and near all of the roads leading into and out of the town. To me, that felt — and this is a feeling all of us in the mod room have as well — as if The One Truth is much better poised than Project Avalon with regard to getting to The Truth™, because we believe that, as a forum, we're a lot more level-headed than they are. The woo-woo factor is a lot lower here, and I'm sure you will agree with that.

Furthermore, the very fact that Bill Ryan allows himself to fall for storytellers and purported insiders/experts makes Project Avalon as a whole far more vulnerable to deception, and thus far less reliable as an information source. And this is another difference between The One Truth and Project Avalon, i.e. we never officially endorse any particular whistleblowers, witnesses, targeted individuals, or whatever. We do of course offer them a platform where they can share their story, just as we offer that very same platform to everyone else here, but we're not going to market them the way Project Avalon has been doing with their own (purported) whistleblowers and witnesses.

I've already said it a few dozen times, but I'll say it again: The One Truth will not dictate to its members what they must believe and what they must disbelieve, but at the same time, we're also not going to be censoring them. To give you an example, the Flat Earth meme is complete and utter madness, but we're not going to ban or retire any Flat-Earthers. We do of course moderate, but that's an entirely different thing. And even in that, our style is very different from that of Avalon as well.

Just because I'm not a hate-bearing person doesn't mean that my criticisms on account of Project Avalon as a forum or on account of Bill Ryan as a person have suddenly evaporated. But right now it seems like nothing I could possibly contribute to this thread is appreciated. If I criticize Bill Ryan and Avalon, then I'm a hatemonger who has hijacked the whole forum for some fictitious personal vendetta, but if I suggest that there might be some point in the future where The One Truth and Project Avalon could for instance be exchanging information that would benefit everyone, then that's no good either.



"You can't get what you want
Till you know what you want"

(Joe Jackson)


Maybe I should resume my leave of absence from this thread, so that certain people can return to thanking all of the posts here without having to endure the mortifying fear of accidentally hitting that "Thanks" button on a post made by one of the staff members. (Or removing their thanks again a few minutes later if they have. You know who you are, but yes, I saw that.)


:fpalm: :getcoat:

donk
13th May 2017, 07:15
My post had (next to) nothing to do with your dream, which I hadn't even really processed at the time I wrote it, I was just trying to refocus, and used it as it was last thing I saw...hoping it (my post) could kinda stand alone

But I don't think you should take leave. I value your contributions a lot. Who is accusing you of hate mongering? (Bill anyway….only hate I see from you goes Shane's way)

PS: I really do think you read way too much into the totally binary "thanking" bullish!t. Personally I wish the whole thing would go away

Added again: in fact, I'm using this as excuse to not thank another post....thanks, I been looking for one

jonsnow
13th May 2017, 08:24
Well you ( Aragon) have been criticising Bill Ryan fairly harshly I like to ground things in reality rather than take flight of fancy after that criticism that you can be best friends with Bill Ryan go drinking together with Bill Ryan and he offers to buy drinks for everyone here at the One truth what there are 1000 members here at least. I removed my thanks for I think your dream made no sense to me anyway while Bill Ryan is not perfect I think he has made a difference for the greater good flaws and all. I have taken some issues over victor schauberger and defending Corey even though his information was not good with Bill Ryan yet I am still a member there.


One my friends spent some time mocking me to my face I called him on it and then walked out we have not spoke again it being what 5 years .

Fred Steeves
13th May 2017, 10:45
Shane told me directly that Christine sent the raw video to him up in Toronto to edit, in the recent Dark Journalist interview Bill says he himself toiled for hours upon hours editing it. Somebody is lying here, and it shouldn't be all that difficult to ascertain who.

No, it wasn't that difficult to ascertain. Shane notified me (and I have absolutely no reason not to believe him on this) that Bill did indeed edit Part 1 of the now infamous Corey Goode first interview, while Shane edited Part 2 because Bill thought the audio was unsalvageable. I thank him for clearing that up for me.

Combined with not disclosing with Dark Journalist (for the sake of transparency) that Christine was not only a Project Avalon member at the time of her interviewing Corey, but also his wife, that makes two half truths in just one interview.

And herein lays a major part of the problem. If there were any semblance of true journalism in this neck of Alternative Media, the one who is deemed to lead us back to the land of truth and discernment would be politely asked about these sort of things in his next interview. Or would that just be hating on the poor fellow? :rolleyes:


Maybe I should resume my leave of absence from this thread, so that certain people can return to thanking all of the posts here without having to endure the mortifying fear of accidentally hitting that "Thanks" button on a post made by one of the staff members. (Or removing their thanks again a few minutes later if they have. You know who you are, but yes, I saw that.)

This is one of the (but not the only one) reasons I chose some time back to greatly curtail my usage of the "Thanks" button, it can be interpreted in so many ways other than that the user intended. *Most especially the more it's used*. Personally, I'd rather have no thanks button at all as opposed to how much trouble it can cause.

It's like reading f**king tea leaves, and I can't read tea leaves. :)

Aianawa
13th May 2017, 12:47
If someone gives, shares or preaches their perception, I thank them, it can be simple.

TargeT
13th May 2017, 13:06
Another episode is out....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0ct3YAqEtM

Fred Steeves
13th May 2017, 14:00
I'm only half way through, but I'm already shaking my head at the bowling ball size Cojones Bill is showing off in this latest Dark Journalist "deep investigation". You know why he can feel perfectly free to twist and manipulate events to fit his latest intended narrative (meme)?

I'll bet you 10 to 1 it's because he knows darn well no notable alt media celebtity like DJ will never hold him to the same gold standard he demands of Corey (and whoever else). He also knows his flock will simply label any blue collar Joe Blow who questions him as simply being involved in baseless and vicious smear campaign.

That's how this works folks, amazing to watch it unfold in real time...

Dreamtimer
13th May 2017, 14:12
I haven't listened to either of these. I've enjoyed listening to some Dark Journalist shows. I don't know that I want to spend so much time listening to Bill. But perhaps I should, to see how Bill frames things and to see how Daniel handles him. From some comments I've read Daniel's not really asking critical questions.

Aragorn
13th May 2017, 14:51
Who is accusing you of hate mongering? (Bill anyway….only hate I see from you goes Shane's way)

The one who accused me of having hijacked the forum and of hate-mongering toward Bill Ryan was Marcus, Phil. He did it here on the thread, just before he requested the retirement of his account. In fact, that is how he requested his retirement: he reported one of his own posts to the mod room and filed his request to be retired in the report itself.

And like I said, I don't hate Shane either. I just think that Shane has been behaving unethically on the one hand, and I am also angry with him — anger is not hatred — over the way he came barging in here on the thread with an attitude, thereby directly attacking me and mocking me personally, the way a schoolyard bully does. (And I have plenty of experience with schoolyard bullies, I can tell you that much.)


PS: I really you think you read way too much into the totally binary "thanking" bullish!t. Personally I wish the whole thing would go away

Added again: in fact, I'm using this as excuse to not thank another post....thanks, I been looking for one

The problem isn't so much in when one gives thanks and when not. The problem here is that there are people who selectively give thanks to posts above and below mine, but rarely ever to a post by myself or by another staff member. There's a reason for that, and a lack of clarity on when and when not to use the "Thanks" button isn't it.

Still, if people want to use the "Thanks" button as a subtle signal toward the staff that they don't like us, then I shall return the favor. In fact, I've already begun doing that.

For me, hitting the "Thanks" button is a sign of respect, more than gratitude, but as of a few days ago, I too have become selective in my use of said button. If certain people here are going to use that button as a way of communicating their disdain for staff members, then I shall do the same toward those people.





Well you ( Aragon) have been criticising Bill Ryan fairly harshly

Which I have both acknowledged and explained. But I have also given my reasons for doing so, i.e. the short attention spans and poor memory of most people.

Furthermore, what goes on the internet stays on the internet. I cannot go back in order to delete what I have said just because it would have hurt somebody's feelings, nor do I want to. I am being as genuine as I can be, and I take responsibility for my words, just as I take responsibility for my mistakes. Sweeping them under the rug isn't going to solve anything. When one makes a mistake, then one has to own up to it. And I do.


I like to ground things in reality rather than take flight of fancy after that criticism that you can be best friends with Bill Ryan go drinking together with Bill Ryan and he offers to buy drinks for everyone here at the One truth what there are 1000 members here at least.

Oh come on, you're just being silly. Besides, there weren't 1'000 people in that lounge room — more like 20 people or so. It was a lounge room, not a concert hall. ;)

One of the things my dream symbolized to me was that I was willing to bury the hatchet and let bygones be bygones for the sake of the future of the community. I therefore think it's unfair to now throw my criticisms of Bill Ryan — which I was willing to lay to rest — into my face without pondering my reasons for criticizing him in the first place.


I removed my thanks for I think your dream made no sense to me anyway

Can you only show respect for what makes sense to you? :fpalm:


while Bill Ryan is not perfect I think he has made a difference for the greater good flaws and all.

Everyone makes a difference — cfr. the butterfly effect — and you won't hear me denying that Bill Ryan has done good things. Earlier, I have even acknowledged — and with respect, even — that Bill and Kerry have both done groundbreaking work on account of getting information out there.

Whether the information was correct or not is another issue, of course, but they were at least digging deeply and they were putting it out on YouTube. And that has been an absolute eye-opener for many people, myself included.

And by the way, Bill knows that I respect him because of that, because I have told him this myself in a PM exchange back at Avalon around Christmas 2014. But Bill Ryan does indeed have serious flaws, and for some reason he doesn't seem capable of controlling his own demons, so to speak. And that's a pity, because he has a lot of potential — he's very intelligent and quite knowledgeable — and he could be doing great things if only he were willing to overcome his own ego.

jonsnow
13th May 2017, 15:14
:omg::magic:,

Be happy have some fun:o

Aragorn
13th May 2017, 16:18
Aragon you should work on your flaws not Bill Ryan on a practical level what can you do more about Bill Ryan flaws or your own be grounded life teaches experiences . Aragon your anger towards the man is very real maybe seek counselling to move beyond this.

jonsnow, what I think is that you probably have a severe reading comprehension problem. Your comments above are absolutely nonsensical and utterly incongruent with anything I have written higher up in this thread.

Also, for the record, let me once again point out to you that I myself was banned from Project Avalon for far less than what you are doing right here and right now. And yet I am not banning you or giving you an infraction, but instead I am letting your post stand, and I am replying to it.

(And don't you go thinking about after-editing your posts either, because the original content is still quoted in this reply. If you have an issue with me, then you know the official channels for filing a complaint to the management. But if you're going to be spouting ad hominem nonsense about me on an open thread — and for that matter, one that is visible to non-members — then the least you can do is take responsibility for your own words and own up to them, just as I do.)


Let Bill Ryan issues go my friend it is only doing you harm

I have no "Bill Ryan issues", and if you had read my posts properly, then you would have understood that. I have only spoken my opinion about the man — harsh as that opinion may sound — on several occasions where people appeared to have forgotten (or be totally oblivious of) the well-documented facts.

In a past farther gone, I have had to do the same thing on account of Simon Parkes, who was at the time also still regarded as a new messiah by some (past or present) members, in spite of ample reports of his sexual and financial exploitation of Project Avalon members.

I have also tried to clarify to you that I am willing to bury the hatchet on account of the animosity between Project Avalon and The One Truth. Somehow that seems to have gone completely over your head three times in a row already now.

I'm not the one with a "Bill Ryan issue", but apparently you have an "Aragorn has an issue with Bill Ryan" issue — an incomprehensible mental affliction which I see popping up here at The One Truth on a regular basis, and always from members who also happen to have an active account at Project Avalon. Curious, innit?

So perhaps you should heed your own advice, and — if that shoe fits — seek counseling, because you're seeing things that aren't there.



http://users.telenet.be/stryder/Humor/Worf_Facepalm.jpeg


See folks, the above sort of reactions are exactly why I'm going to be taking my leave from this thread again. Anything I say about Bill Ryan — whether I criticize the man or whether I praise him for the groundbreaking work that he and Kerry Cassidy have done in the past — is always going to be misinterpreted by someone who only reads my posts diagonally and/or who only sees the name "Bill Ryan" in my post and then finds this to be sufficient grounds for lecturing me without having read what it is that I actually wrote.

Now let's see, how many times exactly have I already been insulted on a personal level now in this thread? Five? Six? I've lost count. And by how many different people? Three?

If I weren't the administrator here then I'd probably even add this thread to my ignore list, but alas, as a staff member I cannot afford to ignore any threads (or even individual posters) because it would interfere with my moderation duties.



http://www.lovethispic.com/uploaded_images/276435-Every-Day-I-Get-To-Work-With-The-Best-Intentions-And-The-Right-Attitude...then-Idiots-Happen.jpg


:back to topic: :getcoat:

TargeT
13th May 2017, 16:29
I'm only half way through, but I'm already shaking my head at the bowling ball size Cojones Bill is showing off in this latest Dark Journalist "deep investigation". You know why he can feel perfectly free to twist and manipulate events to fit his latest intended narrative (meme)?

I'll bet you 10 to 1 it's because he knows darn well no notable alt media celebtity like DJ will never hold him to the same gold standard he demands of Corey (and whoever else). He also knows his flock will simply label any blue collar Joe Blow who questions him as simply being involved in baseless and vicious smear campaign.

That's how this works folks, amazing to watch it unfold in real time...

If you provide the details, I'll make the video, faster the better while this whole DJ thing is unfolding (timing matters etc..).

I ask for the details because I avoid forum drama like the plague... I'm really clueless about a lot of this stuff (the history of bill in this case) that I see (no offense to anyone intended) as high school BS that I don't have time for.


I do know bill brought to my attention charles, which is why I'm here; but whom ultimately was just a skilled con-artist (IMO). After that he brought several people I INSTANTLY felt were a joke... and other than Charles I could never watch anything from Kerry or Bill; it always seemed like wayy to much information with wayyyyy too little data to back it up.

I'm far more skeptical on most topics than I let on... or maybe I do show my hand on that. haha

jonsnow
13th May 2017, 16:42
Aragon I wish you well but it is time I left the One truth wish you all the best :fpalm:

I do not need the 24 hours grace period I remove a post trying to keep the peace and you repost it what more can I say :o

The Bill Ryan bashing here really should stop here at the One truth :getcoat:

TargeT
13th May 2017, 16:49
The Bill Ryan bashing here really should stop here at the One truth :getcoat:

Nothing (and no one) is above questioning.

Fred Steeves
13th May 2017, 18:05
If you provide the details, I'll make the video, faster the better while this whole DJ thing is unfolding (timing matters etc..).

Sure, why not. I'm still at work but will get with you later on during Beer:30. The details of my first interview impressions are already posted here from a couple of days ago, today's are still as of yet just scribbled down on a paper plate lol. :D

Dreamtimer
13th May 2017, 18:08
Bill began this discussion with his very own thread on his very own forum. Let us not act foolish and pretend this was something initiated here. A thread on this subject is topical, not bashing. I sincerely hope that's obvious to most.

Bill expressed serious concerns about a particular whistleblower. Will he continue in this vein with some other whistleblowers who passed through his domain?

Perhaps, we shall see.

donk
13th May 2017, 19:29
Bill began this discussion with his very own thread on his very own forum. Let us not act foolish and pretend this was something initiated here. A thread on this subject is topical, not bashing. I sincerely hope that's obvious to most.

Bill expressed serious concerns about a particular whistleblower. Will he continue in this vein with some other whistleblowers who passed through his domain?

Perhaps, we shall see.

Well said. His "particular concern" with this whistleblower is like a high profile middle class pillar of a community starting a campaign against domestic abuse when a low class member makes the news for beating his gorgeous wacky popular with the plebes wife nearly to death.

All the commmunity members are excited because the issue of domestic abuse NEEDS to be corrected from the community. But this "pillar" is known to have his own history of smacking his women around.

So like Fred brilliantly mentioned, a lot of the lovers of what the pillar has done for the community make anyone questioning his own pattern of abuse look like they're starting vicious smear campaigns or pettily attacking him. In that process, any experiential data anyone contributes to make a case that the pillar should be held to his own standards....instead looks like "high school bullsh!t" to community members like target, Maybe because so many members are triggered by the issue, and so many DO throw in unrelated stuff that doesn't help the discussion.

I dunno, but back to the analogy....now other pillars of the community are promoting his campaign to end domestic violence through utterly dissecting the extreme "popular" case, in that process enjoying a place where hardly anyone would even think to scrutinize them.

This is the way "community" has always worked, it's distasteful to most to question "A1 integrity" authority figures who bring so much good...despite their flaws---excuse and enable THAT, cuz they're only human. The extreme lowlife getting so much attention is the REAL PROBLEM, right?

So not only listen to and show respect to the authority on the subject, USE his wonderful system to solve the problem...right? Anyone else seeing this? BECAUSE lowlife is such an obvious liar and contributed NOTHING to the community, he gets and F-. Since I'm obviously and A+, nothing I ever did needs to be applied to these alphabet agency certified standards I am presenting as the tool to help solve problem, works great, right? Really helped solved this huge issue with this low-life, now lets apply it to anyone who starts getting attention in the community...everyone already graded need not worry, no need to scrutinize. The system is perfect.

That's what I am seeing anyway. I appreciate having a place to have this conversation. I don't really care about what anyone here, or outside....think of it. I personally didn't see "TOT" using Corey to gain prominence in the community...and even if the authorities here tried, I don't think they were very successful. Corey did use this place in between his rise to fame and boost from Wilcock. Maybe other people see different...I don't really care either way, just sayin I agree with dreamtimer that HE is a valid TOPICAL discussion here. And trying to show that my wanting to discuss BR using him is a valid topic as well

Maggie
13th May 2017, 20:41
If there were any semblance of true journalism in this neck of Alternative Media, the one who is deemed to lead us back to the land of truth and discernment would be politely asked about these sort of things in his next interview. Or would that just be hating on the poor fellow?

I just want to chime in on this point as it is one that is really important. One of the people who studies his guests is Greg Carlwood in his interviews from The Higher Side Chats. This lack of knowing the subject is an issue IMO.

Many interviews are lacking good questions. If I were interviewing Bill Ryan, I would COUNTER a lame introduction of who Christine was to Bill and the forum. In my case because I "studied" that issue (by being on the forum) and I too would see evasion there. Ask "Was Christine still your intimate partner at that time?" See where THAT leads.

It is certainly true that BR is NOT just some objective white knight.
CG needled him and tried to shame BR.
I'd ask how he deals with anger and disappointment?
I'd wonder if he has any "history" of directing personal anger by "denouncing others" via public outing?

I'd relate his answer to the issue of transparency about Christine.
Why he did not speak openly about her role for many months on PA?
He might say that was not important to be shared on the forum or something?

I'd ask WHY if this was not an "important" revelation for the community, the later break up triggered making their ins and outs forum business.
I'd ascertain even by a reaction about the timing now of demolishing the CG myth.
Do You BR seek justice for some personal reasons?
Is there any possible personal SATISFACTION for YOU, BR, if CG is "outed" and suitably shamed?

Maybe people don't know any biography of what is "out there" in past records?
Maybe it IS letting people have a pass?
It isn't good journalism.
IMO journalism is a real craft where people study the record, ask pertinent questions and try to uncover information, not just be a platform for guest propaganda. A real journalist is not worried by political correctness and when asking questions that get pointed BUT they do it kindly and not with any charge.

I support good journalists.

Fred Steeves
13th May 2017, 21:41
If you provide the details, I'll make the video, faster the better while this whole DJ thing is unfolding (timing matters etc..).

From Dark Journalist interview part 1:
https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10917-BR-s-disclosure-on-CG?p=841968887#post841968887

Of note, as I posted here this morning Shane corrected my editing question of did Bill edit, or did Shane edit?
https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10917-BR-s-disclosure-on-CG?p=841969162#post841969162

Part 2:

- Everything Corey says is "unsubstantiated" (which it of course is), but so is Bill's unsubstantiated claim from one of his Intelligence sources that a super secret video exists of Corey and wife discussing their illicit plans.

-The subject of the post he brings up from Corey's wife Stacey was considered unimportant in the interview, but I beg to differ in that it accuses Bill of being deeply involved in the Church of Scientology. Of course he's *ever* so deeply immersed in Scientology, just not the Miscavige church brand. When he speaks so piously and authoritively of "transparency", why are his close ties to Scientology suddenly "unimportant"? Could it be that in general, people harbor a distaste for Scientology in general? If that was a worry, then there goes transparency out the window...

-And speaking of this deep devotion to "transparency", for the 2nd time in a row here he has mentioned his ex wife Christine, the interviewer, as just some forum member. If we are setting the gold standard for truth and transparency, why the Texas two step yet again?

-Bill rightly touches on the famous Bill Moore confession at a ufo conference back in the early 80's of being involved with the Intel types, while his good buddy Richard Doty (ex Air Force Intel) was involved in that exact type of thing in the ufo community. Many respected researchers firmly believe that it was Doty himself, who was Bill's "Anonymous" source for the Serpo leaks back in '05/'06.

-He shows again for the umpteenth time a Skype screen shot, of Corey talking to someone about being on Alphabet payroll. He says the person Corey is talking to is Alphabet. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that other person Shane? If being on Alphabet payroll (according to Bill) is so treacherous, why was Bill defending Shane The Ruiner's material to the hilt for so long? Simple questions, hopefully simple answers forth coming. Just going by what Bill says..

So there you go. Do I have all of that right? I think so, but I most certainly welcome any correction from those who may know better. Like Shane correcting me on who edited what in Corey's original interview with Christine. Bill continues to speak of these "anomalies" in Corey's story, what I am pointing out are anomalies is Bill's story. If there are good explanations for these anomalies on Bill's side I would welcome them, as I would much rather be proven wrong than to continue on believing falsehoods. I'm a big boy, someone please show me the money! :D


I ask for the details because I avoid forum drama like the plague... I'm really clueless about a lot of this stuff (the history of bill in this case) that I see (no offense to anyone intended) as high school BS that I don't have time for.

Well, I reckon we simply interpret forum drama a bit differently. I consider typical forum drama as exampled right here with members getting their panties in a wad, and quitting the forum in a huff. What I and others are pointing out, I see as much different.


I dunno, but back to the analogy....now other pillars of the community are promoting his campaign to end domestic violence through utterly dissecting the extreme "popular" case, in that process enjoying a place where hardly anyone would even think to scrutinize them.

This is the way "community" has always worked, it's distasteful to most to question "A1 integrity" authority figures who bring so much good...despite their flaws---excuse and enable THAT, cuz they're only human. The extreme lowlife getting so much attention is the REAL PROBLEM, right?

Very good analogy.

Aragorn
13th May 2017, 22:00
[...]

-He shows again for the umpteenth time a Skype screen shot, of Corey talking to someone about being on Alphabet payroll. He says the person Corey is talking to is Alphabet. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that other person Shane? If being on Alphabet payroll (according to Bill) is so treacherous, why was Bill defending Shane The Ruiner's material to the hilt for so long? Simple questions, hopefully simple answers forth coming. Just going by what Bill says..

The screenshot shown by Bill Ryan was indeed of a Skype conversation between Corey Goode and Shane Bales, neither of whom is to be trusted on their recount of the events that transpired between them. But on account of Alphabet — and forgive me if I misread you — that doesn't have to mean "the alphabet agencies". Alphabet is actually the name of the parent company behind Google, YouTube, the Android operating system, et al (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_Inc.).

Now I don't know whether Shane was ever involved with information technology, but Corey certainly claimed that he was an IT expert, albeit that he also said that — at least for the last couple of years — he was running his own business, which he had to abandon because he was outed with his real name by Kerry Cassidy, from which point on his only job was selling blue birdseed. :p



Addendum: The screenshot may also present a very warped view of what was really being discussed by Corey and Shane, and Bill Ryan does have a habit of presenting certain quotes out of context. For all we know, Corey (who was supposedly self-employed) and Shane (who is a musician) might have been discussing their respective return to their former jobs out of financial difficulties. :hmm:

donk
13th May 2017, 23:42
-He shows again for the umpteenth time a Skype screen shot, of Corey talking to someone about being on Alphabet payroll. He says the person Corey is talking to is Alphabet. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that other person Shane? If being on Alphabet payroll (according to Bill) is so treacherous, why was Bill defending Shane The Ruiner's material to the hilt for so long? Simple questions, hopefully simple answers forth coming. Just going by what Bill says..

Ha! I posted an almost identical question in the comments of the vid...will be very interesting to see if the dark "journalist" is interested as well...

Hopefully this whole thing will get people questioning the A1 and high grade researchers (like Dolan)...the things you say about "substantiated" evidence are the same questions I am asking myself...what has EVER been "substantiated" in this realm"?

donk
14th May 2017, 04:10
The biggest take away from all of this is how easily manipulated we all are

Hopefully someday we can learn that imposing our will on others usually only hurts ourselves

PurpleLama
14th May 2017, 14:11
I am not finished to part 2 yet, I will finish it this morning, but I also got quite the laugh that the Ruiner was the "intelligence connected individual" that BR is basing some of the claims against Corey upon. My personal assessment is that Corey and Shane are equal parts fraud, no intelligence connections required, Corey in it for the money and Shane for the amusement. Basing any claim on either of these brings so much into question.

TargeT
14th May 2017, 15:10
From Dark Journalist interview part 1:

That was a most accommodating interview by Dark Journalist, the perfect platform for Bill to get his side of the story out there with not so much as even a devil's advocate tough question. That's not journalism IMO, and it's why I no longer listen to shows like Coast to Coast, all of that. It's no different than when I watch the ultra Conservative FOX News host interview neocon John Bolton every Sunday morning. It's nothing but a friendly platform for Bolton to get out his war hawk neocon message at least once a week there. Again, that's not journalism. You know what it is however? Propaganda.

So your concern is that there is no balance to the delivered message; its soft ball questions to support a desired outcome (by both parties).


Apparently Christine Anderson has once again been relegated to the status of just a regular old forum member, just like he kept their marriage a secret from forum members themselves.

Shane told me directly that Christine sent the raw video to him up in Toronto to edit, in the interview Bill says he himself toiled for hours upon hours editing it. Somebody is lying here, and it shouldn't be all that difficult to ascertain who.

So, taking credit for other peoples work may be an issue?

The marriage thing, is a tough one; privacy perhaps, deception? hard to say...


He talks about being a green rookie at the 2006 UFO convention at Laughlin, but not the reason for being invited there in the first place. His Project Serpo "Anonymous" releases, that were no more evidence based or researched than Corey's fantastical tales. Pot, meet kettle.

The "sperpo" stuff was more mars travel right? SSP stuff?


The kindly gentleman researcher at the UFO conference who warned him of "UFO disease", how when researchers or experiencers eventually run out of story, and succomb to the temptation to start making shit up. Hello Charles, 12th dimensional Inelia, Shane the Ruiner, Corey, etc. ? Remember he was about set to interview Shane, after zero vetting and defending his stories to the hilt? That only got scrapped when CW Chanter splashed onto the scene taking The Runner's story apart limb by limb. That forced the sudden reassessment, and the ensuing research that should have been done in the first place.

So direct conflict with what he was saying in the interview about discernment and "seasoned researchers".. when you say "etc" are there anymore?


As an aside to this last point, these conferences are literally crawling with shadow type people, and in Bill's first interview with Kerry (which has been disappeared) he gladly spoke about all his spook friends giving him guidance along the way.

Bill talked about his "spook friends" giving him guidance on what?

Too bad that video is gone :(


Everything Corey says is "unsubstantiated" (which it of course is), but so is Bill's unsubstantiated claim from one of his Intelligence sources that a super secret video exists of Corey and wife discussing their illicit plans.

Yeah, but he exhaustively put that disclaimer out (that it was unsubstantiated), but the fact that he brought it up at all


-The subject of the post he brings up from Corey's wife Stacey was considered unimportant in the interview, but I beg to differ in that it accuses Bill of being deeply involved in the Church of Scientology. Of course he's *ever* so deeply immersed in Scientology, just not the Miscavige church brand. When he speaks so piously and authoritively of "transparency", why are his close ties to Scientology suddenly "unimportant"? Could it be that in general, people harbor a distaste for Scientology in general? If that was a worry, then there goes transparency out the window...

I'll have to go back and re-watch that; but I'm not sure how relevant it is?


And speaking of this deep devotion to "transparency", for the 2nd time in a row here he has mentioned his ex wife Christine, the interviewer, as just some forum member. If we are setting the gold standard for truth and transparency, why the Texas two step yet again?

I just don't see how that's relevant to the topic of hte interview at hand, though I do understand what your saying.


-Bill rightly touches on the famous Bill Moore confession at a ufo conference back in the early 80's of being involved with the Intel types, while his good buddy Richard Doty (ex Air Force Intel) was involved in that exact type of thing in the ufo community. Many respected researchers firmly believe that it was Doty himself, who was Bill's "Anonymous" source for the Serpo leaks back in '05/'06.

but that's just a rumor right? any corroboration to it?


-He shows again for the umpteenth time a Skype screen shot, of Corey talking to someone about being on Alphabet payroll. He says the person Corey is talking to is Alphabet. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that other person Shane? If being on Alphabet payroll (according to Bill) is so treacherous, why was Bill defending Shane The Ruiner's material to the hilt for so long? Simple questions, hopefully simple answers forth coming. Just going by what Bill says..

so bill has interviewed two people whom seem to be self admitting they are "on the pay roll"; has he interviewed anyone else that was a suspected "paid" individual?

Why don't you like the skype screen shot?


what I am pointing out are anomalies is Bill's story.

So far my biggest take away is that bill has a bad track record of discernment, possibly bordering on malicious intent / UFO disease.





Well, I reckon we simply interpret forum drama a bit differently. I consider typical forum drama as exampled right here with members getting their panties in a wad, and quitting the forum in a huff. What I and others are pointing out, I see as much different.


yes well, that's certainly a part of it, but the bill/Christine thing, other personal issues etc... I already know people are weird, I'm interested in learning what I don't know; so I don't pay much attention to "people" issues.

PurpleLama
14th May 2017, 16:58
TargeT, you should make a whole new thread with those questions!

Fred Steeves
14th May 2017, 17:05
Well TargeT, I'm not going to lead you around by the hand through this fractured hall of mirrors with a quicksand floor. Everything I laid out there is easily noticed or investigated, by anyone who cares enough to don their snake eyes and take a closer look under the hood at this ever ongoing phenomena.

However that's not the core story of what's going on here. The core story of what we are witnessing overall with BR's ever repeating history, and popular Alternative Media alike, is that the show goes on forever and the party never ends.

TargeT
14th May 2017, 17:11
Well TargeT, I'm not going to lead you around by the hand through this fractured hall of mirrors with a quicksand floor.

ouch, right in the ego for some reason..


fair enough, I guess I'm not interested enough in this to pursue it myself.

donk
14th May 2017, 17:19
Heh...*donk gives TargeT's ego a few strokes* :o

These are all just mini "case studies" that some of us have been trying to point out all along. You can see an example every single day of you're looking, we point out Bill's because we were immersed in the reality he created at those times

It's nice to get a "comprehensive" bullet-pointed "official" one to talk about. But I think it's important to go deeper than the surface we are given, to study the fractal layers above and below that surface, if we ever hope to change the norms...the default settings we've been working with

donk
14th May 2017, 17:34
Remember George Greene? Whatever happens to that guy?

The Handbook he channeled (and provides for free) may have been the most powerful piece of "data" to ever come out in ufology in the internet age. Even if he completely made up his back story (he was some kind of bazillionaire), the character he created/presented should be a model for whistleblowers

I would think his insights on BR and disclosure of how their relationship broke down would be interesting case study. I got excited when Bill started approaching his relationship with Wilcock, but unfortunately was left more questions than answers in this piece (of the part DJ interview)

Fred Steeves
14th May 2017, 17:38
Well TargeT, I'm not going to lead you around by the hand through this fractured hall of mirrors with a quicksand floor.


ouch, right in the ego for some reason..

Hey man, my apologies if it came off that way. My bad! Anyone's ego had nothing to do with that statement, sometimes I just feel it's time to cut to the chase.




fair enough, I guess I'm not interested enough in this to pursue it myself.

And that's why.

TargeT
15th May 2017, 14:33
now I can't stop noticing stuff like this....




[speaking about shutting down whistle blowers]
Anyone who's been around for a while knows this really does work, and I've been trying to explain this in my recent Dark Journalist interviews (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97571-Bill-Ryan-Talks-to-Dark-Journalist).

It's not the fault of someone young and inexperienced if they don't realize this. But others, who have been exposed to this kind of material for years, really should understand. Members of the public get punished for spilling deep secrets.

he's coming off as infallible...

donk
15th May 2017, 16:00
now I can't stop noticing stuff like this....




he's coming off as infallible...

Well isn't that what it means to be an "A1 information provider"...I like this one from his "truth about CG" thread:


This is interesting to read, a blog page by someone who heard about the story indirectly.
http://yuuut.com/corey-goode-space-program
Of interest may be first comment from a woman ('Tara'), who knew him long ago.
I knew ‘Corey’ in his younger, school years. He was a guy with a low self esteem, yet somewhat a narcissist who believed everyone around him would be regretful for not accepting him into their circles, when he became famous and powerful as an adult. He really should seek help and see a psychologist.


Great puzzle piece there Bill, interesting to be sure...maybe I even some grade A disclosure...though shouldn't that give merit to my first-hand accounts of you showing less than "sterling integrity? (Which are actually verifiable to anyone who wants to go back and read some old threads)

I saw in the DJ interview comments somewhere a lady who said she knows Richard Dolan and gave a compelling account of how he's not exactly the way most people see him. But I post that up for discussion and I bet I get ripped to shreds

I hope something that comes out of this is that some people start questioning the "authority" that established itself in this community

Fred Steeves
15th May 2017, 16:59
Making that first hand account by "Tara" on some blog further evidence against Corey raised my Spock eyebrow as well. Is that how A1 researchers demonstrate the proper vetting process? That strikes me more as a prime example of the old "I saw it on the internet, so I know it's true".

That post could be the poster child to warn all forum newbies, of how *not* to vet a potential source or witness. If Corey tried pulling a fast one like that Bill would rightfully rip it to shreds, but here yet again when *he* does that, it's good as gold.

donk
16th May 2017, 12:48
Default Re: Bill Ryan - Talks to Dark Journalist
I agree entirely with ya there Paula.

I like the Modwiz video. I enjoy his thoughtful takes. I've taken an interest in his other videos too, which are all quite good (except for this one where he's talking to this drugged out simpleton who obsessively rubs his dog's head for the first 10 mins of the video. I couldnt watch it)

....but he's a little too lenient on Corey imho. The attitude there is a little too zen for me. There is room in my mind to accomodate some of what he's saying, but it feels slightly out of balance. I can appreciate this notion of Corey as product, and the buyers as marketplace..spending their attention and money how they see fit..but only up to a point. It's just not as simple as that. It's a rigged game. He has money and marketing machinery behind him, while authentic researchers like Dolan get drowned in his wake. Its not as simple as a Dad trying to.provide for his family; there are so many ramifications here...including compromising other peoples ability to provide for their families as well. And so so much more. It's a dangerous game corey is playing here..
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Here's a guy I used to respect accusing me of being of "drugged out" and attacking me for my petting my needy little dog, the perfect example of the "sane and balanced" consumer and contributer to the community

Bill's post after this admonishes Corey/wilcock/Gaia et al for bringing defective, manipulative, self serving products into this arena. My intention here was to show the overwhelming evidence that convinces me PA and Bill are as bad (if not worse), with the latest example being What I see as his capitalizing on the "community's" recent trend toward attacking CG/DW for being more successful at it than them

I'd love to believe Bill is honestly trying to "bring light" like modwiz so eloquently likes to transmit he believes in videos he makes to further his agenda--which are as purely intended as anything on Avalon.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to do any drugs lately so I just can't see it....maybe when I can again (and stop giving love to my pup) I'll be as wise and discerning as him, it will be nice to watch him and bill's followers solve the problem in the "truth" community

donk
16th May 2017, 14:41
Heh, now the ever sweet runningdeer piles it on:


I watched the whole thing. Yes, the dog was a major distraction. I dragged the screen down to cut him off. The video could’ve been cut by half if Donk’s the same, old message wasn’t repeated over and over. Donk/Phil would benefit from an objective relisten or reread of any of his posts.

Yes, absolutely. As you stated, it's a "dangerous game corey is playing here". Modwiz missed the mark on that aspect. It's wayyyy beyond CG taking care of his family.

Corey's evil is not the same-old-sh!t, it's my suggesting Bill's doing the "same old" that is...and apparently is wrong

Just to set the record straight, the conversation I wanted to have with modwiz was to share my views on what I think is the actual underlying problem. It's pretty much the primary reason for coming around, using my experience on the forums to get "know myself", with the his whole scenario being a fractal reflection of a number of relationship I have in my real life. A polished "socially acceptable" video would be disingenuous, I'm glad my actual personality and life was a distractor to those that find it that, Kali barging in was a nice touch (to me)

And Modwiz wanted solidarity with PA--I guess he states his views in enjoyably viewable way that resonates with them for the most part...and this exception we provided has proven successful in his goals to get his videos posted there, hopefully this will lead to them having him back as a member so he can continue his good work with the audience he desires. Plus he has a nice example of opposition/criticism of his views so he has the appearance of balance. Thank you for doing it Rad, I hope you appreciate it as much as I do

I'm glad my presentation helped him in his goals, they certainly achieved mine. I received the feedback I needed to realize that not only was wrong in my suspicions of where the real problems with the community lie, but also learned that the best and the brightest are on the case, coming up with new innovative ways to fix the community...and bringing light to the world walking their walk in their good work.

So there is my final word Elen, I was wrong and I apologize. Corey is the real problem, Bill is the solution, the truth will set us free so let's just move on....

Elen
16th May 2017, 15:53
So there is my final word Elen, I was wrong and I apologize. Corey is the real problem, Bill is the solution, the truth will set us free so let's just move on....

You know donk, I really appreciate it...you will not be loved anything less here...this is what TOT is all about...getting to the real issues and moving on...no more or less. And Aragorn is the real deal here as an Administrator, this I really mean...:smile2:

TargeT
16th May 2017, 16:15
I received the feedback I needed to realize that not only was wrong in my suspicions of where the real problems with the community lie, but also learned that the best and the brightest are on the case, coming up with new innovative ways to fix the community...and bringing light to the world walking their walk in their good work.

So there is my final word Elen, I was wrong and I apologize. Corey is the real problem, Bill is the solution...
https://jayhelp.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/was-that-sarcasm.jpg
The sarcasm is real!

donk
16th May 2017, 18:30
https://jayhelp.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/was-that-sarcasm.jpg
The sarcasm is real!

Not at all, it's an honest reflection of the reality I see. The people that experienced the same thing I did came to incredibly different conclusions that I have. The narrative that's important to this community has been made clear. Very few seem to feel the issues I see are important, even here...the feedback I received is my message is the "same old sh!t" while Bill leads the community forward against the scourge of debunked whistleblowers like Corey Goode.

I can admit when I am wrong. I am seen as a "dark" immature attacker of personalities, so I'll get out of the way and let the grownups follow the all the A1 researchers' lead in to the light...or at least in the direction of "cleaning up" the community.

If anyone else finds the points I tried to make of any merit, I hope they find a more productive way to run with them than I have managed. Direct open, honest discussion on a forum where peeps shared the experiences has done nothing very little, and talking to another attention-loving youtuber just made me look like an @sshole. while I've learned a lot of personal lessons from this experience, I don't think I've done much positive for the information I thought important to disclose...

Outlander
16th May 2017, 20:13
The best is yet to come:

Tiffany Fontenot 5-11-17 ... “Reverse Speech Analysis… of Bill Ryan Accusations of Corey Goode"
https://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2017/05/12/tiffany-fontenot-5-11-17-reverse-speech-analysis-of-bill-ryan-accusations-of-corey-goode/#more-61386


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxoMqs7iGqk

TargeT
16th May 2017, 21:07
Not at all, it's an honest reflection of the reality I see.

Sorry, sarcasm detector still going off.

;)

Social validation is very nice and enjoyable, but not needed; quit worrying about other people and just be you. I liked what you had to say.

Aianawa
16th May 2017, 21:24
How valid this be > https://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2017/05/12/tiffany-fontenot-5-11-17-reverse-speech-analysis-of-bill-ryan-accusations-of-corey-goode/#more-61386

claim to want rid of.

What is Reverse Speech???????


Reverse Speech comes from the same place our dreams come from. It is natural to humans and was discovered by David Oates over thirty years ago. In his research, David found out that we actually learn to speak in reverse before we learn to speak forward. We start speaking in reverse at the age of about 4 months old.

Here is a Youtube video from David’s Youtube channel showing reverse speech in children. There’s even one handicapped child who cannot speak forward, but can be heard in reverse telling her mother that she loves her:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdNjJOL0zfw

Our Reverse Speech is always true. It comes from what is programmed into our subconscious and also comes from higher self, and above. Because of this, it’s a very useful tool to be able to use on people as a lie detector.

David used it at the request of the police in one case. He analyzed a police interrogation with a suspect. They asked him where he hid the weapon, and the suspect claimed to be innocent, but in reverse, he said the weapon was in the basement, and that is right where the police found it. Many police are using this now in the U.S.

Some other things he has found recently have been that Hillary Clinton as said twice now in reversals that David has found that she does have and illness and when Bill was on Charlie Rose the other night saying that she’s healthy and that she only gets dehydrated, in reverse he said, “She’s toast.”

David even found the code word from Desert Storm back in the 80s that Cheney, Bush, and Rumsfeld and that bunch kept saying that was showing up in their Reverse Speech about 3 months BEFORE they told the public about Desert Storm.

Here is the confession in reverse of the guy who claimed he was innocent of killing Natalie Holloway. I don’t know if y’all remember that case or not, but here it is:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkE9Qbcw9e8

So, you can see that it will get right to the truth of what is going on with individual people…

Ok, now for the therapeutic use of Reverse Speech… If you know about Swiss Psychiatrist, Carl Jung, he discovered that our dreams are metaphors and that one of the ways we create our reality is to use these metaphors that have been passed down to us historically and individually.

Jung said that we would not exist without these metaphors. And, it just so happens that the same metaphors found in our dreams show up around the world in peoples’ Reverse Speech regardless of what language they speak.

So, when we do a Reverse Speech session, we find out by talking forward about the things we are concerned about and how they feel and what we think is going on, then we analyze them in reverse to find out what metaphors are being given to us about those things that are troubling to us.

Normally, during the session, we will find one or more unhealthy metaphors in our subconscious that we can then restructure into HEALTHY metaphors by a process of guided visualization/hypnosis to retrain the subconscious to dismantle the unhealthy metaphor and replace it with the healthy one.

Once this is done, that person’s personal reality starts to conform to the new healthy metaphor in building his or her reality. Here is a lady who went through a Reverse Speech session giving her testimonial about it: http://reversespeech.com/…/Alexander's%20Testimonial.m4v

Our Universal and higher selves, our subconscious and unconscious minds are speaking to us all the time in synchronicities, telepathic phrases we hear in our heads, being energetically pulled to put our attention on something important… They speak to us when we are in altered states such as being under hypnosis, or in our dreams. They speak to us in symbols and metaphors, and many other ways that we are only just beginning to understand.

One other way this is done is within the context of Reverse Speech. Before being born here, we may exist outside of time. If true, one would not be surprised to find that humans naturally speak forward and backward at the same time from different levels of consciousness in order to both communicate and provide guidance and/or information to ourselves and others in a beautiful display of our true multidimensional nature that reflects how we ACTUALLY exist unbeknownst to us before.

Now that is multitasking that is really impressive, and I DO love it because it begs the question, “Who and what must we really be in order to be able to do all of that fancy footwork?” This is the most exciting question I think I’ve ever thought about and for me is full with emotion because it seems we are finally moving into a phase of being able to answer this question properly for once, meaning humanity has the opportunity now to tangibly FEEL our human potential unlocking that before seemed so far away and impossible to reach.

One thing that now appears innate to human beings due to the discovery and decades of study of reverse speech by David Oates is that we learn to speak backward long before we ever learn to speak forward.

We can hear Reverse Speech phenomena by recording the forward, more overt, conscious speech, then play the recording backward in order to be able to hear the more covert, unconscious reverse speech that comments on what is being said forward. These speech reversals are received and understood on a subtle, unconscious level during normal conversation.

The left brain creates linear forward verbal speech while reversals will tend to come from the relaxed, emotional speech that emanates from the more artistic, metaphorical, enigmatic right side of the brain.

How exciting to get to explore our natural, human, multidimensional nature through Reverse Speech as an avenue that leads us back to discover who we really are!

Dumpster Diver
16th May 2017, 22:59
Keeping up with the “Corydashians”

I’ve worked with the “dark side” of the military, i.e. black projects. No, I’m not MILAB (to my knowledge), and because of that work I’ve noticed a few unusual things about the latest offensive by Bill Ryan.

Firstly, he makes the argument that all whistleblowers get slapped down eventually and the fact that CG is still around makes him likely a controlled asset.

Seems like a great argument on its face, but that’s not the way warfare works (and this is a war we are engaged in, an information war). The military typically attempts to negate an enemy by, in the air, taking out the airfields rather than attacking each aircraft. Tanks? Take out the factory, rather than each individual tank. Troops coming into a battle zone? Take out the troop ship, rather than each individual soldier on the field. The pattern is: look for the nexus and block it.

The analogy in the information world is: take out the information conduit, and then each whistleblower can’t reach the public. In this instance, Project Camelot was the conduit. Why are they still functioning and for so long with so many informative whistleblowers? Using this argument, Project Camelot and the Avalon forum are most likely controlled assets or “controlled opposition” using the current terminology. So this whole CG must be a controlled asset is a BS argument especially considering BR’s background and certainly the importance of Project Camelot in the past must be examined in such a light.

Next, there is a “blamestorm” of folks coming out against CG. BR, Dolan, Fitts, Dark Journalist, and others. This is after the Greer thing last year. Concerted efforts like this look very contrived and we certainly did such in our military’s misinformation campaigns. With all the negativity pointed at CG and DW, folks just start thinking “where there is smoke, there must be fire”.

So, I think BR’s real objective is David Wilcock. Think about it. In the eyes of most folks, discredit CG and the mud splashes on DW since the two share a long running Gaia TV program and seem to be buddies.

As for Wilcock, he is providing extremely interesting and VERIFIABLE information on his program Wisdom Teachings and in his books. Information about structure of the cosmos, issues with Redshift (extremely important), physics, i.e. science as we know it. Yes, he has allied himself with CG, but what are the real facts in CG’s story? Not much. But It’s a great, entertaining Sci-Fi story! It is a fun, alt-world “Keeping up with the Kardashians” story line.

So, at the end of the day, if CG is totally discredited what have we lost? In my eyes, not much. A great SF story is about it. Do I think CG is controlled opposition? I have him at about 30%. This means I think about 70% of info coming from him is good, but much of his rating is feeding from his agreement with DW, but he is dropping due to other information coming out. DW is much better, I have him at approx. 85% and much of his rating is due to his research.

Is BR controlled opposition? I have him as rated as about a 55% chance, but that number is now rising again. That means I see about 45% of the information is good. Still slightly worthwhile. But it is worthwhile to note that 50% is a coin flip, i.e. informationally worthless.

Remember in this world of disinformation, NOBODY is 100% right or 100% wrong, but both of these types of folks would be the most useful informationally, i.e. 100% wrong is good since you can just invert everything they are saying, somewhat like the Main Stream Media. What are they pushing? Likely the opposite is true. But remember, even if someone is being truthful they can be factually wrong. Therefore, everyone who has some information is providing some element of truth and falsehood. Use your discernment (I use math and logic) to puzzle thru the blizzard of info.

Fred Steeves
17th May 2017, 10:36
So there is my final word Elen, I was wrong and I apologize. Corey is the real problem, Bill is the solution, the truth will set us free so let's just move on....

Don't sweat it man, we've seen the "nothing to see here/move on" thing parroted before on different venues, and most likely will again at some other port of call. It's a very real automated avoidance mechanism, that fascinates me to observe in action nearly as much as the subject of this conversation itself. Why would one want to move on from an ongoing event that is infecting, and will infect so many trusting people? Or even curiouser, knowingly being a part of, or teaming up with it?

What we're looking at over at The Project bears some hallmarks of Stockholm Syndrome, so keep that in mind with the derisive comments you cited from a couple of our old friends. Yes it was a bit distracting you petting scruffy for the first several minutes, then again that was no worse than me being a wiggle worm during my talk. Live and learn. But here's the thing, I actually listened to what you had to say, and it made sense. People who have been swept up into a cult mentality are unable to perform a simple task like listening, or reading comprehension, if it in any shape or form goes against the cult group think.

Be glad you can see this shit at all, and there's others out there who can see it as well. Maybe there's a Forum 202 version somewhere on the net scape, a more advanced version for such people to hang their hats and compare notes. Until such a time I'm going to keep watching this thing, this meme, (this Working?) like a hawk. This is important...

Real research means time and dedication, and it can also be very boring at times. It is *not* for those with short attention spans, and even shorter memories.

PurpleLama
17th May 2017, 12:31
So if Infragard is a FBI snitch organization, how long was it known CG was involved and just how many of the members of PA were snitched upon?!

All these little tidbits that continue to emerge are so very interesting....

Dreamtimer
17th May 2017, 12:32
Thank you Dumpster Diver. Good to see you around. You reminded me of TargeT's statement about the media. Figure out what message they're sending and do the opposite.

Dumpster Diver
18th May 2017, 01:23
@Dreamy,

Yes, the MSM is interesting, they tell a lot of things that are verifiable, so you have to see what they are "pushing" and invert that:

Global warming is real and due to carbon dioxide : invert = the warming is real but due to Sun warming (Sun at zenith is white not yellow as in past, yellow at sunrise, not red as in past)
Vaccinate yourself and kids, it protects the herd : invert = yes it does offer some protection, but adding mercury, etc causes more problems than "herd help."
Hillary is good, Trump is bad : invert = we control Hillary, Trump is (or was, this may have changed) not controlled.
etc.

We ought to start a thread on this topic to get everyone's views on this.

Aianawa
18th May 2017, 12:12
Dive in and start it Dumpster, got to put this here >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhFYQnlKB4&t=6s

TargeT
18th May 2017, 13:40
I've changed my opinion..... This young man is moving from "uninformed" and "weak research" to "dangerously supporting falsehood"

Maybe I'll give a bit more thought to the "co-op" thoughts on him..


@ 14:55 he says "I am on a path" and sort of 'unconsciously' underlines "save us".... very telling imo.. this guy is wearing the mantel of the savior archetype and is clueless to its influence.




The Savior

The Savior archetype takes hold of people who are naturally inclined to be caretakers. The Savior is overflowing with a desire to be helpful and always reliable in a crisis. Saviors frequently express their sympathy for those in distress and often become over-involved in the lives of others. Saviors define themselves through their philanthropic pursuits and believe their hearts to be guided only by noble intentions. Saviors do not want credit for their selfless behavior because their acts of benevolence infuse them with a sense of fulfillment that far surpasses their need for credit. They burrow into the needs and issues of their friends and family and usually neglect their own lives. They often arrest or abandon their own psychological and emotional growth in order to fully be available on the front lines of those they love. This is an avoidance technique that arises from the unconscious to protect them from having to address unresolved trauma held within the depths of their own psyche. Saviors are usually burdened with unattended wounds from the past that are buried deeply. It’s easier to focus attention on the lives of those surrounding them than it is to face the paralyzing fear of addressing the old pain. Saviors may be wonderfully supportive parents, partners, and friends, but they suffer when they are alone. Saviors are codependent by nature and cannot find happiness through their own merits. It is only through their relationships with others that they find some semblance of joy.

Maggie
18th May 2017, 15:46
I've changed my opinion..... This young man is moving from "uninformed" and "weak research" to "dangerously supporting falsehood"

Maybe I'll give a bit more thought to the "co-op" thoughts on him..


@ 14:55 he says "I am on a path" and sort of 'unconsciously' underlines "save us".... very telling imo.. this guy is wearing the mantel of the savior archetype and is clueless to its influence.

I enjoyed the first one or two videos by this youtuber. Weirdly both this person and also another person "Lionel' in HIS way have soured for me. There is SOMETHING energetically "rightous" and dogmatic and also self important all at once that coagulates around those/ about those who are going to inform of THE TRUTH. That can also be said of the ones they are supporting or in criticism concerning.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

Dreamtimer
18th May 2017, 15:48
The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

Oh Maggie has that one been going through my head in recent days. Someone I know has been busily paving such a path for a long time now...:(

TargeT
18th May 2017, 16:22
There is SOMETHING energetically "rightous" and dogmatic and also self important all at once that coagulates around those/ about those who are going to inform of THE TRUTH.

I felt that too from the very first video, but I honestly thought it was some sort of jealousy or envy on my part (though even then, I'm not sure why.. maybe because I just started making videos again) anyway I wrote it off as some ego bull shit and ignored it..

But then I started analyzing his presentations and it's nothing more than a "silver tongued" conman.. he speaks fast and eloquently but in a very shallow manor regurgitating "page one" information while ignoring the depths of the topic and now is encouraging people in bad faith, with bad information, and it feels like he's "making videos to make videos" like it's a job, a job he enjoys to be sure; but still a job.

Dreamtimer
18th May 2017, 16:43
It's just business. :whstl:

I was unimpressed by his dismissal of scientists' concerns. They span many issues, not just climate ones. Science for profit is not the best kind, not even close.

Dumpster Diver
18th May 2017, 17:10
'The path to hell is paved with good intentions.'

David Wilcock and a few others have pointed out that Hell is a crowd control concept invented by the Egyptians...and then, in my research, promoted by the Romans once they took over from Cleopatra through their inventing Christianity and eliminating several relevant Jewish Bible books (Book of Enoch, Book of Giants among others) thus targeting and negating reincarnation by the Councils of Nicaea.

Dumpster Diver
18th May 2017, 19:28
I like Jordan Sather because he:

- brings up ideas and info resources more quickly than I
- often has a differing slant than my math/science/evidence based approach with his "dot connecting"
- tends to resonate with the "younger crowd"
- seems to be effective in reaching people and getting them to consider new ideas

What bothers me a bit:

- he tends to be sketchy or just plain wrong on how the science/math/logic works perhaps because he dumps out a quickly done video perhaps too often

So I see him as a good info source and I tend to always watch his vids.

Maggie
18th May 2017, 19:58
'The path to hell is paved with good intentions.'

David Wilcock and a few others have pointed out that Hell is a crowd control concept invented by the Egyptians...and then, in my research, promoted by the Romans once they took over from Cleopatra through their inventing Christianity and eliminating several relevant Jewish Bible books (Book of Enoch, Book of Giants among others) thus targeting and negating reincarnation by the Councils of Nicaea.

It is also metaphoric such that "hell' is that very place one does not suspect or seem to choose and yet is the destination we are moving towards. This "undesired" is paved with seemingly useful intentions that we THINK are for good but actually lead us very astray.

Example
1. Ultimate Transhumanism that seems to be a good idea when attempting to "improve" us and solve "problems".

Dreamtimer
19th May 2017, 12:09
I believe in the invention of hell. It's a powerful one. It's going strong. People get trapped in hell by their own fears, imo.

There is someone close to me who would hear something in confidence, promise to keep it quiet, but then later on break that promise and talk about someones private business to someone else, breaking trust and confidence.

The intentions were always good. This person was just trying to help. And the road to hell is paved with good intentions. The result was bad.

Damage to relationships, breakdown of trust and confidence, loss of respect for judgement.

Ends don't justify means. Neither do intents.

Maggie
19th May 2017, 14:23
Ends don't justify means. Neither do intents.

This is really the crux of much in this thread and the exposure of the "means" and I am really not sure about the intentions either.

TargeT
19th May 2017, 16:05
This is really the crux of much in this thread and the exposure of the "means" and I am really not sure about the intentions either.

yes... in that Light I posted this on PA


Hold on a second...


She used the platform to make herself try to sound good,

But so did you, you leaned heavily on the fact that you are an experienced researcher and you and those like you had something to offer to new researchers to the field, that discernment is hard and you know how to do it and that's why your exposing Corey, but that is sort of disingenuous with out mentioning Serpo, Charles, Inelia, Shane the Ruiner etc...

I feel like you omitted a few things as well during your interview, things I feel are extremely important... If you are to be held up as the pinnacle of valid research, then at least admit that there ARE pitfalls that are very difficult to avoid, even for you.


These are humans we are dealing with here, no one is perfect, we all miss things at times & I think it's important to let that be known.. it's OK to make a mistake, the mistake doesn't define you, how you deal with it does.

Dumpster Diver
19th May 2017, 16:51
Ok, you convinced me. Good intentions are "Evil".

From now on I'm doing BAD intentions, since good = bad, bad must be good.:belief:

giovonni
19th May 2017, 16:54
yes... in that Light I posted this on PA

My apologies for ever referring to you as a possible BR minion/troll ...

:thup:

TargeT
19th May 2017, 16:57
Ok, you convinced me. Good intentions are "Evil".

From now on I'm doing BAD intentions, since good = bad, bad must be good.:belief:

https://img.memesuper.com/a08cb8819f7627e677243c5ebaa5198e_logic-logic-meme_461-403.jpeg



My apologies for ever referring you as a BR minion/troll ...


I don't remember you doing that, so no harm no foul :)


Bills response


I feel like you omitted a few things as well during your interview

Talk to Daniel! :)

Our initial recording lasted for 4 hours 20 mins, with a little more later that was inserted into the final cut. I talked about everything you might think of.

He did the editing. It was not a live show.

(and this ^^ was edited)

Hard to fault him here, "Dark Journalist" was obviously tossing out softball questions and looking to frame this as a one sided conversation. So this seems like a reasonable response, or a very clever dodge.. we'll never know.

giovonni
19th May 2017, 17:26
IMO

Out of courtesy, Bill should of talked to Randy first ...
Perhaps even with Christine included ...
The Dark Journalist could of waited for sloppy seconds.

It's all become about showcasing and showmanship ...
Donations, newsletters and subscriptions ...


Here's what i think of the current UFO Circus ...

'Contact In The Desert'

Note: this even includes individuals participating I've called friends.

http://www.moviefancentral.com/images/pictures/review55300/moongnome.jpg?1321714887

TargeT
19th May 2017, 17:56
I'm with modwiz on this one, we need to muscle this conversation off personalities and into more generalities about the community.. I've continued to push that on PA after my above post, it seems like bill is headed that way.

At this point I'm content with that.. I'm far more concerned with the present than the past.

Dreamtimer
19th May 2017, 18:23
Dumpy, the 'road to hell' doesn't mean that all good intentions are bad. It just means that we have to be careful.

It's about whether we act emotionally or with reason and analysis, imo. There's quite obviously nothing inherently wrong with good intentions.

If I'm giving out someone's personal info without permission it's not OK just because I meant well. It's not OK to do something wrong and use good intentions as an excuse.

That's what I was saying, anyway.;)

Fred Steeves
19th May 2017, 21:49
I'm with modwiz on this one, we need to muscle this conversation off personalities and into more generalities about the community..

Muscle away, doing great so far! Maybe the Ambassador will help out here as well with his bottomless pockets, this new community built on "trust" and "sterling integrity" will be ever so interesting to watch flower forth into fruition.


I'm far more concerned with the present than the past.

Two dichotomous thoughts on that one:

1) Only in the bizarro world that is alt media, does that kind line of logic hold water. In real life our past matters. Try getting most jobs, or into the military, without one ha ha. But here? Pfffffft, background checks are irrelevant, time consuming, and most of all they are petty and personal. When the timing is right, they are only a sly jiu jitsu move away from being labeled smear campaigns. This is one of the reasons why things are as they are.

2) O'Brien from Orwell's "1984" would get you an inside track into the Party with that comment. As he instructed Winston on the Party line about who controls the past: "Who controls the past controls the future, who controls the present controls the past".

Once the past is erased or made "suitable", those in control of the present control the entire narrative. You are now lending your own hand in enabling this.

Aianawa
19th May 2017, 21:52
I enjoyed the first one or two videos by this youtuber. Weirdly both this person and also another person "Lionel' in HIS way have soured for me. There is SOMETHING energetically "rightous" and dogmatic and also self important all at once that coagulates around those/ about those who are going to inform of THE TRUTH. That can also be said of the ones they are supporting or in criticism concerning.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

Yes, this from observation is an aspect of some of our younger awakening ones, king and queen arkeytype = I deserve, I like it but it is definitely a learning thing, me still learning.

TargeT
19th May 2017, 22:12
1) Only in the bizarro world that is alt media, does that kind line of logic hold water. In real life our past matters.

That's one take on the situation.

I know how much I've changed since 2011 when I joined PA, I act much differently now and have expanded my base awareness of knowledge exponentially. If I can do that it is possible for others too, I will encourage the right thing and offer "escapes" from past patterns when ever possible, I will not enforce past patterns, they do not interest me.

Background checks are done from a place of fear, I'm not really sure what exists that should be feared at this point; so why function in that paradigm?




You are now lending your own hand in enabling this.

Oh, I disagree, I know where I am and what I'm doing; do you? My perspective is pretty unique, I would never claim to know yours, certainly not at the level of interaction we have had (almost none).

Judgement is suppose to be my weakness, do you manifest the Sage archetype also?

Maggie
19th May 2017, 23:43
I listened to the Christine interview and learned that there were dreams afoot for a community in Ecuador. CG and wife were considered as candidates.
I learned that Randy Maugans lurks as a member of PA.

I reflected that now more than ever, the cyber community of alt thinkers is without ability to self organize into any more grounded enterprise.

There has never been a practical hands on community that does not have some "charismatic" leader to show the way.
AND so much is gathered around a cause to fight or a threat to escape.
For instance, the community in Russia who have a very cool lifestyle all gathered around the return of Christ.
Christine went to Standing Rock and so did a bunch of others,...maybe some took the next step somewhere but the seeming result was a flash with no hearth.

The meetings of "conferences is for egos to talk to an audience about their beliefs.

One set of beliefs that is seemingly embedded is that of demonic forces.
Don't go to the desert because it is demon infested.
The weird aspect of belief TO ME is that it is self reflective...expect demons...oh there's one NOW.....

I am not going because it is a waste of time and energy.
No one believes what I believe and I am content to have mine at home.
I like a word Modwiz uses (about science experts)...these gatherings are all waffling.

I long for joint cooperation that looks like building a MEGALITH (hehe).

IF we can take what we learn from all these forum doings maybe it's that the cults "of personality" are dead and dying gasping fish from the time of Pisces.
If a forum can create noncult egalitarian cooperative efforts to LEARN and share and build out of fresh newness, THAT is Aquarian

Fred Steeves
20th May 2017, 01:29
From Project Avalon:


And I highly suggest to strike while the "iron is hot" as it were, to help dissuade this conversation from being stuck in the weeds.

Strike that hot iron while she's fresh off the fire, and please come back here a year from this day to report on the results. (May 19 2018)

Most attention spans, memories, are short and of the moment. Mine are not, please show me the money on these suddenly hurried efforts. My odds show about 100/1 you will be unable to do so, but time as always will tell.

Maggie
20th May 2017, 03:51
It is a self defeating pattern for fakes to congratulate fakes on the lies they tell.
The game of pretense has reached a point of implosion.
People will just stop paying attention to faux presentations that regurgiate previous falsehood.
This is because we are being shot with energy like an arc light.
It is as if the collective is the concave mirror.
The true is reflective of light.
The false is like a hole in the mirror.
The light stream does not reflect and the hole is visibly dark.
That part looks black and void.
Nothing to see THERE.
We attend to the shine.

It seems to me in this earth school we are SUPPOSED to act as teachers/learners. I think this has been demonstrated in modern spiritual lessons where one practices a teaching. The next go around is teaching the lesson after we make it our own. In the very best books, we read what the author learned. In life, when people know us, they receive what we know by how we behave and what we do. A parent can only teach what they know about life. In a good enough family our parents will be willing to learn form us kids.

In order to remain a learner/teacher, you have to have some kind of inner self worth that gives one a solid base. You have to be able to see yourself as you are with love to be a really open person (open to others and experience). Missing this piece of development is not KNOWING oneself. The ignorance leaves an empty space that is easily filled with whatever one hopes suffices for "worth". Empty people playing with the tennis ball of recognition shmoozing and fighting for position are the hollow ones.


THE HOLLOW MEN
TS Elliot
Mistah Kurtz—he dead.

A penny for the Old Guy

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us—if at all—not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.

II
Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death's dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind's singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.

Let me be no nearer
In death's dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer—

Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom

III
This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man's hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.

Is it like this
In death's other kingdom
Waking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.

IV
The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms

In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river

Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death's twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.

V
Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom

Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow
Life is very long

Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom

For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

donk
20th May 2017, 13:32
My motivation for posting this clip of Mike's brilliant post on page 19 of the thread about Corey Goode is indeed bizarre:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1154055&viewfull=1#post1154055




3)i like the idea of making it a community discussion, and moving past the drama. Target is right, thats where it needs to go now. but the personalities *had* to be addressed first. otherwise we woulda all been staring at that unaddressed giant elephant in the room. had to get it outta the way. its like sex....you get those embarrassing premature orgasms out of the way, and then youre good to go for a while. guys, you know exactly what im talking about. girls, you do too (unfortunately)...and on behalf of all the men, i apologize...

...aracuria used the phase "diminishing returns" in reference to these types of threads. well said aracuria. once everything that needs to be said about an individual is said, it needs to be let go. absolutely. i think we've hit that point here. there will always be that stubborn group of clowns who'll persistently refuse to turn the goddamn page, and will attempt to justify their bizarre motivations into infinity with backwards reasoning and mind numbing doublespeak...and yes, here i'm talking about all those threads and blogs and so forth that are out there trashing Bill and avalon incessantly...

...first of all, there is something very wrong with you guys. i mean that sincerely. im not joking. theres no punch line here. i'm not sure what it is, but i think youre sick in some way. Bill gets demonized to the point where saying even the slightest positive thing about him is viewed as heresy. he could save your life, and still you'd find something to criticize. its unreal. i call it "Bill Ryan Disease". its like starting a thread about Mickey Mantle and talking about nothing but his strike outs. YES , fawny, sycophantish posts get written here from time to time....*but there arent entire threads dedicated to them*. my god, grow the f#ck up already!

Calista, i know exactly what you mean about that distortion in the video - it sounded demonic! it was difficult to listen to! im still not entirely convinced it was a truck!

...not joking? Why can't I stop laughing :hilarious:

TargeT
20th May 2017, 13:57
From Project Avalon:


And I highly suggest to strike while the "iron is hot" as it were, to help dissuade this conversation from being stuck in the weeds.

Strike that hot iron while she's fresh off the fire, and please come back here a year from this day to report on the results. (May 19 2018)

Most attention spans, memories, are short and of the moment. Mine are not, please show me the money on these suddenly hurried efforts. My odds show about 100/1 you will be unable to do so, but time as always will tell.

That was a comment to bill, are you taking it out of context so you can feel like you won a point here?

I have zero fame in the "alt world" nor do I desire it, I have zero reach in the "alt world" nor do I desire it... I suggested TO BILL that he act quickly to guide this conversation in the right direction. And indicated on this thread that I would do something like that (muscle the conversation to a different level or something).

So your response not only doesn't make sense but makes me wonder exactly what your motivation is.. if your looking for a "gotcha" moment I'm sure you can find one, but this is not it.