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Lord Sidious

14th July 2017, 15:51

On my first forum of this type we had this member who was invaluable. Everyone extremely disliked him because he would dissect their bad programming and hand them a report on their various waftinesses and guru attachments etc.
He was actually very very good at it because no one could ever really claim him to be acting out of self aggrandisement or ego desires, it was just a very clinical dressing down.
It was needed then, and probably still is in certain places. Where are you Timothy Grass!

Why do you think I got banned from Project Nuggetry?

Dreamtimer

14th July 2017, 15:54

Project Nuggetry is now one of my fav aka's.:thup:

Lord Sidious

14th July 2017, 16:00

Project Nuggetry is now one of my fav aka's.:thup:

I doubt ol baconhatnugget would approve

enjoy being

14th July 2017, 16:01

The thread has been bumbling along for however long, but has provided late fruit. I don't think the fruit is bitter really, these last 3 or more pages helped the ripening so well that it's actually quite refreshing.

Haha
Uncle Sid, I did almost compare Timothy to a persona similar to yours. I think Timothy was a friend of, or even an alternate profile of the forum owner so he didn't get banned.

Oh and his Avatar pic was sexier. I'm sure it was one with the sword upright.. but you get the picture.
http://hoycinema.abc.es/imagenes/flash/imagenes_xtra/malas-cine/foto-12.jpg
Oh no, that was it alright, after looking at it a bit, how could I forget.

pointessa

14th July 2017, 16:18

Well, we all did, at some point. It's a phase people go through when they're starting to wake up to the fact that the mainstream media and the governments have been lying to us for all of our life. At that point, you are wide open to any kind of information coming from any source outside of the mainstream, and it takes some time, experience and intellectual growth before people begin to learn that the information brokers of the so-called "alternative community" are not quite the righteous and altruistic saints that they believed them to be.

But as you well know, that's only part of the problem. Many remain in that stage where they are only consuming information, just as they would a(ny other) soap opera. Only a handful are brave enough and/or sufficiently committed to the truth to want to make a difference, and to be the change they wish to see. For most of the others, it's merely entertainment.

Sad but true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xPaeONSn_8

Beautifully stated, Aragorn. After the initial stage of waking up, if one truly has the desire to determine the truth of this world, it becomes apparent that it is necessary to develop discernment skills. If someone doesn't see the need to do that, or just doesn't bother, then they really are seeking nothing more than shallow entertainment and/or diversion. By the looks of it, there are a lot of options to choose from out there.

TargeT

14th July 2017, 17:32

So supposedly there's some video showing the hat's house and claiming "agents are looking into it" or something.. anyone see that?

Aragorn

14th July 2017, 18:01

So supposedly there's some video showing the hat's house and claiming "agents are looking into it" or something.. anyone see that?

Wouldn't that be a remarkably convenient fear porn effect for a retired performer trying to make a comeback? :p Does the video come with scary music attached? :eyebrows:

Don't worry, kids, all stunts are performed by trained professionals and no headgear was harmed in the making of this movie. ;)

Clear Blue Skies

14th July 2017, 18:11

Wouldn't that be a remarkably convenient fear porn effect for a retired performer trying to make a comeback? :p Does the video come with scary music attached? :eyebrows:

Don't worry, kids, all stunts are performed by trained professionals and no headgear was harmed in the making of this movie. ;)

Well, LOL, it's funny you should mention that but I'll let you make your own mind up about it ... here's the YT channel (if interested) : Fake News In Ufology (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmjYhEdsyhPmROUYM0-KVgw)

TargeT

14th July 2017, 19:01

Wouldn't that be a remarkably convenient fear porn effect for a retired performer trying to make a comeback? :p Does the video come with scary music attached? :eyebrows:

Don't worry, kids, all stunts are performed by trained professionals and no headgear was harmed in the making of this movie. ;)

there WAS scary music!

I thought it was worth a watch, a pretty hamhanded attempt to disguise a threat or intimidate bill, there's almost nothing about DJ (even though the title of the video is suppose to be about both) in the video and the way it's composed it's obvious what it's really meant to be.

Chester

14th July 2017, 20:10

This is why I wonder how people believe all this nuggetry..............

As far as all other-worldly unprovable stories go, I have incorporated into my operational protocol a way of looking at them that I have never, ever heard of from any one else.

First, there is the case where the experiencer relates an experience or string of experiences.

I honor the story of the experiencer in that a.) they believe they had the experience(s) and b.) they believe they were real (where I define real as being an experience where multiple witnesses "saw/heard, etc." what they relate to be quite the same thing. Note: I have a caveat about this also which I will explain further down.

I then allow the experiencer/story teller the space to interpret their experiences as they wish but I no longer accept their interpretation as accurate just because they say so. I note here that interpretations are subjective and this becomes complicated when two or more experience the same phenomena and then share their conclusions as to what they saw/heard.

I also allow experiencers to share conclusions they have drawn from how they interpreted their experience(s) but I see those conclusions as purely subjective (more on this later as well).

I even allow experiencers/story tellers to share the details of the paradigms they believe their interpretations and conclusions suggest to be "true." I also allow them the right to believe in and express about that the paradigm even when they feel that their paradigm is "THE Truth" whereas any other paradigm which could be perceived as contradictory to their own they would consider to be a fasle paradigm.

I developed this protocol after my Shane experience. For this reason I no longer end up in the problems I experienced through my Ruiner learning stage.

Where I draw a line and do so in the kindest way is when I feel someone is trying to impose a.) their interpretations b.) their conclusions and especially c.) their paradigm onto myself and/or others.

For this same reason I do not impose any aspect of my own current cosmological metaphysical world view on others though I am always happy to share what that is and the reasons I currently hold that view (always subject to change by the way).

There is one characteristic of my own world view which allows for all other "sub views" to be "possible to exist" even if they only exist within the mind of one individuated being or "a shared mind" of a group of individuated beings. This then complicates establishment of "what is real" as I stated I would address further on.

Thank You, "Alternative Community" for providing me with the training and experiences I needed to finally achieve the adoption of an operational protocol which maximizes my opportunity to experience and allow other's experiences, interpretations, conclusions and paradigm 'buy in' while simultaneously bolstering my own right to share my opinion when I feel I and/or others are being harmed and why I may perceive things the way I do.

Fred Steeves

14th July 2017, 22:26

Again, the more I look at this, the more I'm inclined to go with Fred's opinion that this whole convoluted Camelot/Avalon/Wilcock business is one big psyop.

For the record Aragorn, I need to tweak that characterization just a tad. Observed from a 50,000' flyover altitude canvassing this whole general scene, I would more refer to it as a very refined, very specialized, sub-strand of modern day MK/ULTRA.

Dumpster Diver

15th July 2017, 00:50

this remains my favorite thread here at TOTNuggetland

donk

15th July 2017, 09:52

Sam Hunter says on PA:

Default Re: The Truth about Corey Goode
From all I had observed through that time (the fall of 2014 and early 2015 - all that Bill said in this post fits exactly what I observed. What I find baffling by many of the folks that form a group of "ex-Avalonians" is that they seem to want to blame Bill for Corey's rise when in reality, Bill was the first one to sense Corey was a fraud (or something else... but certainly not a real whistle blower).

Yet even as late as January of 2015, when I told Christine in a Skype conversation that I was having my doubts about Corey, I asked her (because I saw her as a.) an authority and b.) a community insider), "Christine... I am having my doubts about Corey... please, tell me - do you think he's for real?" And her firm response was, she very much believed in him and his story. The weaker and less experienced being that I was at that time decided I should rely more on her opinion than my own intuition. Not her fault at all... mine. And later, she did tell me she thought his ego was getting to him - sometime in April of 2015 is my best guess... right around the time I helped her get the money she loaned Corey (from the PA donations account) paid back. By then everyone who had known Corey through those last several months (other than some holdouts at TOT and those who saw they could cash in by using Corey - like Wilcock) all had lost all trust in Goode. But he didn't care anyways as he still doesn't care.
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...so, Sam, you don't think Bill had anything to do with the "trust" you mention people around here losing toward the end of CG's time here?

People would have paid attention despite Bill's posting up the video and initially vouching for him (or at least "keeping an open mind")?

Lord Sidious

15th July 2017, 10:21

Ol baconhatnugget has all the credibility of a flat tyre.
Just remember, it was him that foisted ''charles/stephen/atticus'' on the members, then when he got cut out, he turned it around and tried to convince the members that we were plotting to take over the world.
You know what we were doing?
Voting on what buttons to use on the website, what colours, what fonts.
I was WTF?
When will we get to the actual business of discussing projects?
And you know what?
We never did because it was all fake.................

Aianawa

15th July 2017, 10:31

Be lovely in hindsight to change resentment to recentment, and in foresight connedtroled into what is, and surprise into thankyou like nugget into nugert.

enjoy being

15th July 2017, 10:31

I was glad he did it, for the observation of the dynamics, was a blessing of sorts, but not that he intended it that way.
Wool over they eyes for many for the privilege of the few who could learn from it.
Looks like someone's putting a dollar each way, never mind.

donk

15th July 2017, 13:39

Be lovely in hindsight to change resentment to recentment, and in foresight connedtroled into what is, and surprise into thankyou like nugget into nugert.

If I'm discerning any of the above correctly (and I have no idea whether I am), you are saying it's better to pull out the positives than dwell on the negatives? Maybe it seems like Sam and target and such are, excusing these "negatives" folks like me point out?

My foresight isn't so optimistic, we aren't gonna change repeating the same mistakes, excusing the deception as the narrative gets steered by those who spin the best yarn and twist "mistakes" (or worse) into positives

I don't know how much money's ever been made in this realm and I suspect it's it's a pittance. But the abuse/enabling cycle goes on and on as we focus on the lunatic extremist rather than honestly look at the circumstances that gave him the spotlight and attention

Chester

15th July 2017, 17:40

If I'm discerning any of the above correctly (and I have no idea whether I am), you are saying it's better to pull out the positives than dwell on the negatives? Maybe it seems like Sam and target and such are, excusing these "negatives" folks like me point out?

My observation is that if I refused to have anything to do with anyone for anything I have concluded that they have done in their past that I also deemed was wrong, then I would be a loner. In addition, if I decided that someone else's opinion should be relied on more than my own personal experience (the lesson I learned by following the minor, partial mod/member revolt of early PA in early 2015) then I would be failing what I believe to be the very most important thing I can do (and IMO should do) which is to take my own personal responsibility seriously.

In fact, because I did start to learn this lesson in mid 2015, I am still a member of this very forum (and I came very close to losing that membership - ask Malc and Aragorn).

From my own personal experience with Bill Ryan, though I have noted words and actions by Bill which to, in some cases, bothered me, I could say the exact same thing about just about every other experience I have had with others I engaged with online (and in the "real world") - especially when I get involved at the levels I became involved with PA, Bill and so, so, so many others and several other forums. I also have no doubt that Bill and others have been bothered by, annoyed by or disagreed with many of my own words (written and spoken) and perhaps some of my actions as well.

What appears to be the beefs from some, and they certainly have the right to make their own mind up, results in what appears to be a flat out permanent condemnation of Bill Ryan. Again, everyone has that right to draw that definitive, final conclusion. In my case, I have not. And for two reasons - a.) I have never experienced a reason to do so based on my own, direct experience with Bill (and PA) and b.) because I have been burned way too often by following the vocally dominant crowd, especially those who have demonstrated plenty of data points where a direct experiencer of their existence, words and actions (such as myself) could easily do the same with them too - some of these vocally dominant)... I found that the line for me to so cross in reaching eternal condemnation/damnation of another resides at a subjectively decided point (again suggesting personal responsibility is central to what one decides) and because I am ultimately responsible for making that decision, I admit my responsibility for doing so and I allow others the exact same right. But where that line is for me (and looks like for Aianawa) is further out than for others and Aianawa's appears further out than mine... and he has that right. And perhaps he is the better man than any of us if we wish to rate virtue.

What I do not any longer do is impose on others what I think they should decide and conclude for themselves in this regard. I simply believe that what they do decide and conclude is their responsibility.

I also have adopted a protocol that I hope raises my level of personal integrity which is... if I am going to point my finger at (and I absolutely still do... but I do so at folks who are engaged currently in the behaviors I am pointing at such as Borey and his Chicken Heads (like Dead Heads... fans of Borey and no, I do not get credit for this one either), is to make sure I walk the walk and that I have done so for long enough that perhaps my "change" in how I act has indeed become part of "who I am" in the now and thus has a raised level of probability in manifesting in my future - something good for the rest of us. I do the pointing to satisfy, to some degree, my own messianic complex which I have observed is shared (again to varying degrees) by about everyone else who posts on these forums.

enjoy being

15th July 2017, 21:33

I do not wish to become involved in describing the actions and opinions of others, to others, in such a way that it abbreviates what those others are saying and doing into a generalized and potentially misleading package. Speaking for others can lead to stealing or influencing a third party's right to decide for themselves.
This can be a hard thing to avoid in some ways, it comes from mindfulness of who we are representing, and how we are doing that. It can slip out in language and choices of words can slam doors which one has no right to interact with.
Well the choice is there to do so, there is always the ability, with the 'Right' being a grey area. I am sure all here stand by their views and the different nuances of those views, to a degree they would not appreciate another speaking for them in a coarse and basic and misleading manner.
More so for myself it is disheartening in knowing that that act is akin to hacking the ropes of a bridge in the decision for others that they not wish to cross.

Chester

15th July 2017, 22:22

Sam Hunter says on PA:

...so, Sam, you don't think Bill had anything to do with the "trust" you mention people around here losing toward the end of CG's time here?

People would have paid attention despite Bill's posting up the video and initially vouching for him (or at least "keeping an open mind")?

Why would I bother to think one way or another about what you are asking?

I raised my assessment of risk as to how much (at that time) I should or should not "trust" Corey based on my many personal experiences that told me I needed to better guard that "trust." After he left TOT I have seen additional data that has led me to determine I should still guard my "trust." I make odds high that Corey is telling fibs... in the now... still telling fibs. I assess Corey to be intelligent enough to recognize that this can harm folks. If I am correct on my assessment then that suggests to me he has the ability to set aside his conscience. I am sure if this is the case, he has justifications for so doing. Such is life. As to whether Bill had anything to do with it - a.) he did not just because I observed that fact, but b.) he admitted such in his recent interview with the Dark Journalist.

Guess what? So did I. I also played a role (although quite minor) in the creation of Goode, the Space Chicken Savior Dude. So have a lot of others. I have my own regrets for the role I played and have made changes (I hope and believe) that are lasting such that I don't do that again. Note I also did this to a greater degree with Shane the Ruiner. In fact, because of my enthusiasm for "the Ruiner" story, I ended up making quite a few mistakes that hurt others, Shane and myself.

Guess what? I regret those too. I also hope and believe I made the changes I needed so that this doesn't happen again by my doing. From what I have heard (and read) from Bill, he says he's made mistakes and believes he's learned lessons from those mistakes. Only the future will tell if that's true. I certainly would be betting big money that Bill is more cautious now when it comes to folks either showing up on PA with fantastical stories or long time members suddenly "coming out" with their own fantastical stories ala Goode.

enjoy being

16th July 2017, 01:14

I don't see very many people at all with a messianic complex on here. I certainly wouldn't use that as an excuse to have one.

Fred Steeves

16th July 2017, 01:24

From what I have heard (and read) from Bill, he says he's made mistakes and believes he's learned lessons from those mistakes.

Hiya Sam, long time man.

Anyone who has ever dealt with an addiction (of either their own or someone close), knows full well, and can point directly to without hesitation, The Turning Point. Now I've been paying pretty darn close attention these last few years, been doing my homework as well, and have yet to see any such turning point concerning BR's long and continuing history of "mistakes".

Doesn't mean it hasn't happened though, maybe you could do me (and possibly others) a big favor and point to a good example or two? I'm always prepared to disagree with myself at any time, it just takes a good reason.

I certainly would be betting big money that Bill is more cautious now when it comes to folks either showing up on PA with fantastical stories or long time members suddenly "coming out" with their own fantastical stories ala Goode.

Time will tell as it always does, and I sure wouldn't bet the farm on that one my friend. :whstl: As the Air Boss used to admonish daily on the carrier flight deck: "Keep that head on a swivel".

Dumpster Diver

16th July 2017, 01:54

My observation is that if I refused to have anything to do with anyone for anything I have concluded that they have done in their past that I also deemed was wrong, then I would be a loner. In addition, if I decided that someone else's opinion should be relied on more than my own personal experience (the lesson I learned by following the minor, partial mod/member revolt of early PA in early 2015) then I would be failing what I believe to be the very most important thing I can do (and IMO should do) which is to take my own personal responsibility seriously.

In fact, because I did start to learn this lesson in mid 2015, I am still a member of this very forum (and I came very close to losing that membership - ask Malc and Aragorn).

From my own personal experience with Bill Ryan, though I have noted words and actions by Bill which to, in some cases, bothered me, I could say the exact same thing about just about every other experience I have had with others I engaged with online (and in the "real world") - especially when I get involved at the levels I became involved with PA, Bill and so, so, so many others and several other forums. I also have no doubt that Bill and others have been bothered by, annoyed by or disagreed with many of my own words (written and spoken) and perhaps some of my actions as well.

What appears to be the beefs from some, and they certainly have the right to make their own mind up, results in what appears to be a flat out permanent condemnation of Bill Ryan. Again, everyone has that right to draw that definitive, final conclusion. In my case, I have not. And for two reasons - a.) I have never experienced a reason to do so based on my own, direct experience with Bill (and PA) and b.) because I have been burned way too often by following the vocally dominant crowd, especially those who have demonstrated plenty of data points where a direct experiencer of their existence, words and actions (such as myself) could easily do the same with them too - some of these vocally dominant)... I found that the line for me to so cross in reaching eternal condemnation/damnation of another resides at a subjectively decided point (again suggesting personal responsibility is central to what one decides) and because I am ultimately responsible for making that decision, I admit my responsibility for doing so and I allow others the exact same right. But where that line is for me (and looks like for Aianawa) is further out than for others and Aianawa's appears further out than mine... and he has that right. And perhaps he is the better man than any of us if we wish to rate virtue.

What I do not any longer do is impose on others what I think they should decide and conclude for themselves in this regard. I simply believe that what they do decide and conclude is their responsibility.

I also have adopted a protocol that I hope raises my level of personal integrity which is... if I am going to point my finger at (and I absolutely still do... but I do so at folks who are engaged currently in the behaviors I am pointing at such as Borey and his Chicken Heads (like Dead Heads... fans of Borey and no, I do not get credit for this one either), is to make sure I walk the walk and that I have done so for long enough that perhaps my "change" in how I act has indeed become part of "who I am" in the now and thus has a raised level of probability in manifesting in my future - something good for the rest of us. I do the pointing to satisfy, to some degree, my own messianic complex which I have observed is shared (again to varying degrees) by about everyone else who posts on these forums.

What Messianic Complex?

BTW, EVERYONE Listen up! I am starting the Kdark Knight Kdumpy Kult (K^4) right here at TOT. I'll be selling Lego Dumpy Batmen at outrageous prices along with assorted merch such as t-shirts, coffee/tea mugs, mouse pads, etc. Get your credit cards out.
Plenty for all, no pushing or shoving.

OK, now to get Aragorn to set up the shopping cart...

Aianawa

16th July 2017, 07:14

Whats for sale Dumpy, got mugs

donk

16th July 2017, 12:04

Why would I bother to think one way or another about what you are asking?

I raised my assessment of risk as to how much (at that time) I should or should not "trust" Corey based on my many personal experiences that told me I needed to better guard that "trust." After he left TOT I have seen additional data that has led me to determine I should still guard my "trust." I make odds high that Corey is telling fibs... in the now... still telling fibs. I assess Corey to be intelligent enough to recognize that this can harm folks. If I am correct on my assessment then that suggests to me he has the ability to set aside his conscience. I am sure if this is the case, he has justifications for so doing. Such is life. As to whether Bill had anything to do with it - a.) he did not just because I observed that fact, but b.) he admitted such in his recent interview with the Dark Journalist. .

It's a big deal to you to save everyone from Corey's "fibs" (and then project your messiah complex on us), but would it be so important to do if he was just goodETxSG posting his solar warden crap in bold purple on PA?

Pointing out Bill's pattern of hyping super secret insider whistleblowers is as much "eternally damning" (to use your words) him as what you (and he) is doing to Corey.

I think an extremist alt celeb basically forming a cult is definitely worth talking about and warning people of and calling out. But maybe you should think about "adjusting your risk assessment and current protocols" when it comes to your perspective of your experience with the dude who singlehandedly turned him from some schlub like the rest of to someone you had to bother to assess your "trust" in

That's why you should bother to think about it. Corey's cult didn't form in vacuum. It came from the same place Charles' following did, pretty much the exact same way. And patterns and loops are perpetuated by enabling...maybe you should bother to think about that...it seems you are very selective in what makes up your "dataset"

Bill BARELY admitted to finding value in Corey's story and only so he could show how quick he wants people to believe that he saw through him. He's twisted the narrative, of what I experienced anyway...maybe I'm the delusional one but can you clarify what he "admitted to DJ"? It sure as hell didn't sound to me like he took any responsibility. Is me thinking he should what you are calling "damning"?

Lord Sidious

16th July 2017, 15:44

Hold on, messiah complex?
You will till I tell Odin, you guys are all cactus...............

Chester

16th July 2017, 16:11

Simple difference, donk.

Corey is doing what he is doing on a scale that has never been experienced in this community ever.

He is doing it in the now. This behavior began in late 2014 and has only escalated and increasingly so in the now.

And his behavior (words and actions) appear to me to be harmful to the vulnerable and this is why I felt compelled to express my disgust and to provide testimony and evidence based on my experiences with Corey Goode. It is my opinion that if he stopped with the ongoing charade multiple benefits would manifest.

Note that everything I share with regards to evidence and testimony is nothing but the truth. I also share my opinion and I have striven each and every time I opine to make sure the reader understands that that is precisely what I am doing.

If Bill came anywhere near to behaviors I find harmful to others in the now, I would be sharing my opinion with him directly and privately first and then... if those behaviors continued, I would withdraw my support. If those behaviors still continued, I probably would come to the opinion that Bill was harming the vulnerable - again, he would have to demonstrate that too me, show that is a pattern and, most importantly, be doing so in the now.

Note also that when I encounter testimony of others where I have good reason to believe that their testimony is not truthful, then I begin to question many other statements, testimonies from that same source. If I have access to them, I would first ask them about it because I always strive to give the benefit of the doubt. Yet sometimes, when someone behaves in ways they feel they need to... "protect themselves" by actions such as bannings from their forums when no rules have been broken (as happened with me at EyeBlind because I stopped believing Shane and had become known as "a betrayer") or by "blocking them" on Skype instead of honoring the history of a relationship which had always been open and honest... it makes it harder to ask the other, "Hey... remember when "this and this" and this happened where I was there when it happened and yet, now, I am hearing you say "that and that and that" happened... and so, help me reconcile the two?" But that can't happen when formerly existing communication capacities have been blocked.

In addition (something I had to learn the hard way) is that when communities form on the internet, as they grow, individuals reach out to others and form direct relationships... but in time, what also happens is that connections are made between these otherwise separate relationships where what sometimes forms is what is known as "cliques."

Cliques run the risk of becoming internet gang stalkers and I have direct, personal experience with this and learned a valuable lesson. And that lesson is simple. Their is only one relationship that matters and as long as I maintain that relationship, all will be well (at least from the POV of all my other relationships).

That relationship is my relationship with the truth.

I may not know everything I could know. I may also have experiences which, using all my capabilities, still have me operating under a false assumption but I would far rather rely on my own experience and my own gathering of facts than to ever, ever, ever again allow myself to stupidly follow a clique or ever, ever, ever again allow myself to be intimidated by a clique or ever, ever, ever again put any relationship above the truth.

Gio

16th July 2017, 16:27

Question to Sam Hunter ...

Member's here (even guest) are quite aware of the misgivings of Corey Goode and (for that matter) Bill Ryan.
Shouldn't you (Sam) be really sharing this Blah blah blogging where as you call the 'vulnerable'
seem to mostly dwell - non other than Project/Me (Aka) Project Avalon ...

It's all getting bit old dude ... :tiphat:

Gio

16th July 2017, 16:54

Posted today ...

A most worthy note (https://jandeane81.com/misc.php?do=donate&tabid=33)

I am looking at paying for our services to our server in advance.This is because and some of you will know that my son Elliott is autistic and also been diagnosed with epilepsy and hyper mobility syndrome. this means that all our extra funds will need to go towards Elliott lifestyle and helping with walking aids etc. we have gone private ( costing £220 per consultation) as the nhs has been useless when it comes to our boy, and we have become at a loss. All we want to do is help our child have the best quality of life possible.

I am asking from the bottom of my heart if anyone could donate just a small amount too help me with the upcoming costs of the forum, i would be eternally grateful. I did not want to do this but at this point in time my priority has to be Elliott. If we can pay for the costs of the forum upfront for the next few months that would ensure the forum runs smoothly whilst we go through a difficult time with our boy :)

Thank you for reading

Malc

Aragorn

16th July 2017, 16:58

Fred Steeves

16th July 2017, 18:05

If the wet behind the ears guy who authored the following post from the summer of 2011 were around today, he would still be locked arm in arm with old buds like Sam, Mike, and many others in undying blind support of a master manipulator and cast.

Fred: Seriously are you here because you agree with some of what we say about Brother Bill or to defend him ?

Hi Northern Boy, thank you for the opportunity to clarify. I think Bill has the same human shortcomings we ALL do. A good enough investigator could go back and find lapses in my character and judgement over time that if made public would thoroughly discredit me for the rest of my life. I will have a serious question of honesty for anyone here in their 30's,40's, 50's or older who says any different about their lives.

If any of you all were my neighbor I would love to have a beer or two(or three?) with you in the evenings. But, you're caught in this feedback loop of obsessive compulsive disorder concerning Bill and Avalon. I would love nothing more than to merrily wave Nexus good luck on their separate journey of exploration and discussion, but this thing of dangling good people up for incessant public ridicule is unseemly, to put it mildly.

The good people of Nexus are better than that. That's why I'm here.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Fred

P.S. I consider Bill Ryan a friend, and I stand up for my friends.
http://nexusxroads.info/forum/showthread.php?3731-Trance-Formation-of-Avalon Post #9

It takes going to some dark places in order to see through the thickly woven webs of illusion. Some may call it a spell. Call it what you will, but it is very, very real. One may see everything quite clearly, except what is right smack dab in front of them...

Gio

16th July 2017, 18:11

Will ... :Bump:

Posted today ...

A most worthy note (https://jandeane81.com/misc.php?do=donate&tabid=33)

I am looking at paying for our services to our server in advance.This is because and some of you will know that my son Elliott is autistic and also been diagnosed with epilepsy and hyper mobility syndrome. this means that all our extra funds will need to go towards Elliott lifestyle and helping with walking aids etc. we have gone private ( costing £220 per consultation) as the nhs has been useless when it comes to our boy, and we have become at a loss. All we want to do is help our child have the best quality of life possible.

I am asking from the bottom of my heart if anyone could donate just a small amount too help me with the upcoming costs of the forum, i would be eternally grateful. I did not want to do this but at this point in time my priority has to be Elliott. If we can pay for the costs of the forum upfront for the next few months that would ensure the forum runs smoothly whilst we go through a difficult time with our boy :)

Thank you for reading

Malc

Chester

16th July 2017, 18:47

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It's a big deal to you to save everyone from Corey's "fibs" (and then project your messiah complex on us), but would it be so important to do if he was just goodETxSG posting his solar warden crap in bold purple on PA?

With regards to Corey, all I have done, is share testimony, evidence and opinion with regards to what I see as an ongoing and harmful set of behaviors that could negatively impact the vulnerable. That’s not “everyone,” donk, and I have stated so many times… my actions have had one group and only one group in mind - the vulnerable.

Pointing out Bill's pattern of hyping super secret insider whistleblowers is as much "eternally damning" (to use your words) him as what you (and he) is doing to Corey.

Is this your opinion? If so, you have the right to have it. The difference is that what I and he and many others are doing is not “to Corey” but for preserving any integrity there may be to the research done by researchers in the UFO (and SSP) community for the vulnerable who have a risk at being harmed by the religion that emerging cult is forming and the "counseling" they are offering.

I don’t eternally condemn you for the things you have done, donk. I have observed you making some changes for, what I see as, the positive. That’s part why I still watch some of those Chanter hangout re-runs when you are in them. I enjoy the Chanter banter and your own participation. I just wish you wouldn’t cuss so much because I feel there’s better ways to express more clearly what you think and feel. I also think more people would pay more attention to your commentary if you knock out the heavy usage of foul language – commentary I often find insightful and enjoy.

I think an extremist alt celeb basically forming a cult is definitely worth talking about and warning people of and calling out. But maybe you should think about "adjusting your risk assessment and current protocols" when it comes to your perspective of your experience with the dude who singlehandedly turned him from some schlub like the rest of to someone you had to bother to assess your "trust" in

I have already addressed this but will do so again. I assess Bill contributed to Corey’s rise at about 10%. If we slice that whole effort into timeframes such as… from the moment Corey started to participate in the PA Milab sub-forum up until March of 2015 and then looked at only two “promoters,” Bill and Christine, based all and only on what I observed and all the information I have gathered from various sources, Christine was at least equal in responsibility. But I don’t make it Christine’s fault as to what I then experienced regarding Corey Goode. In fact, when I started having my doubts about Corey (and he was far from being Bird Man Savior Dude) in late January of 2015, I expressed those doubts to Christine asking her opinion and she told me she believed Corey and believed in Corey. I learned a valuable lesson there because I chose to decide to continue believing Corey for two reasons – a.) I believed her experience trumped my doubt and b.) I wanted to remain “in the club.” Again… valuable lessons. But these mistakes were my fault, not Christine's and not Bill's. In addition, my buy-in to Corey was not Ria's fault for her role in getting Corey to TOT. It was not the TOT's administration and mod team's fault for seemingly protecting Corey in ways I felt were pretty mind blowing until (and only later) when I learned more and more about the many reasons why - one being policy and the fact Corey was able to walk a fine line between stretching those limits and not blatantly going too far.

So the bottom line is I must trust in myself because of the obvious… I am responsible for myself and I am responsible for the consequences of “the bets I make” or in other words, what assumptions I may be operating upon at any point in time. I am always subject to changing my mind and if I make decisions based on assumptions I later look back upon as “bad bets” and I acted upon those assumptions, then I will not only share my regrets but may end up owing some folks an apology.

In fact… specifically with regards to Corey Goode, if it later seems more likely that Corey has been a victim of some sort of organized mind control then I will apologize for making my bet that Corey is wittingly scamming folks. And yes it can be both but my current assumption is that if both, he is far more aware and consciously choosing to play along, than some mostly unwitting dupe manipulated by teams of seen and unseen conspirators and/or advance secret mind management tech and/or tech created and managed by “other worldly” beings.

That's why you should bother to think about it. Corey's cult didn't form in vacuum. It came from the same place Charles' following did, pretty much the exact same way. And patterns and loops are perpetuated by enabling...maybe you should bother to think about that...it seems you are very selective in what makes up your "dataset"

Your “vacuum” argument, to me… falls apart as all sorts of "Coreys" have emerged from all sorts of other venues other than PA. This comment might suggest that someone has an obsession with PA or specifically with Bill. In fact, if one is very fair and honest, there is quite a case that a quite an obsession has emerged surrounding Bill and the obsession lies in the hands of dozens and dozens. And there's one common denominator I found among them all, they are all "ex-PA" members.

“Ahhhh.” but you might say, “You appear to be in the midst of manifesting an obsession with Corey,” but you would not be taking into consideration that when I actually was obsessed about Corey, a friend (here at TOT) sort of slapped me upside the head about it and I moved on.

“Ahhhh but wait, you don’t appear to have moved on…”

The difference - then, the Corey thing consumed me emotionally. Now I happen to have all my energy bodies focused upon the matter in a far more balanced way. In fact, if Corey came clean, I would instantly become one of his biggest supporters and would do what I could to help him through the transition towards honesty and a regaining of integrity and would immediately begin to watch his back and help him and his family.

Bill BARELY admitted to finding value in Corey's story and only so he could show how quick he wants people to believe that he saw through him. He's twisted the narrative, of what I experienced anyway...maybe I'm the delusional one but can you clarify what he "admitted to DJ"? It sure as hell didn't sound to me like he took any responsibility. Is me thinking he should what you are calling "damning"?

Sadly, you don’t have the same advantage as I do because Bill and I have, what feels to me like, a mutually respectful and step by step (from his POV) more trusting relationship… and I say this based upon many very specific data points I have “in the private closet” ever since I was given a probationary chance to return as a member of PA.

And note “privacy” is something I have learned to manage better ever since October 2015 - when I made my mistake which led to a back and forth “turdstorm” between myself and Shane, Shanolytes and the strategically aligned ‘club of Bill haters’… and certainly after the lovely hangout I experienced with you and Chanter not long after.

I have created a new criteria with regards to privacy which hinges upon the level of honesty I experience from those who may have shared things privately with me which is certainly not a black or white matter for me. If you tell me something in private you may wish to remain private and then you go out and publicly lie about important matters (and I don’t mean a one or two tiny fib stories or perhaps a few embellishments or twists), then you might find that I am open to being a resource to others who have been harmed by those lies. That’s where I am at with it now. At least I am honest and transparent about it.

To me, everything is always a judgment call in the moment and sometimes that call can requires breaking confidences. An extreme example of that I found myself faced with was when a very special friend spoke to me in ways I feared this friend was going to take their own life. Before I reacted, I consulted with a mutual friend of both of ours and shared the communication. We both felt it was urgent and necessary to act. I called the police and they came and took my friend to a hospital. Later, of course, the relationship was never the same. But I have no regrets as I did what I truly felt was best. I have since consulted with all sorts of folks about what I did, evening sharing the conversation just because I was quite confused and wanted other opinions. Interestingly, every single other opinion I received told me that I absolutely did the right thing. Well every single other person except one… Bill Ryan. Funny that because if I had just asked Bill and based on the reasons he shared with me, I might still have that special friendship now that I had up until that time... as long as they didn't follow through on taking their life first.

Funny how life can go, eh?

Dumpster Diver

16th July 2017, 19:34

Cliques run the risk of becoming internet gang stalkers and I have direct, personal experience with this and learned a valuable lesson. And that lesson is simple. Their is only one relationship that matters and as long as I maintain that relationship, all will be well (at least from the POV of all my other relationships).

In view of this, I'm thinking the Kult should be an alt-world internet Motorcycle Gang of Stalkers with gang colors, jackets, hobnail collars and tough cycle babes like Dreamy (wearing said collar) and the other merch as well...

...has BR done this before? I'm thinking this is an entirely new direction NOBODY has taken...

Dreamtimer

16th July 2017, 19:43

Serialy?
https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/xOAAAOSw42JZCMa3/s-l225.jpg

(In this scene Martin Mull's character has enlisted the services of his weekend biker gang to rescue his daughter from a cult)

Dumpster Diver

16th July 2017, 20:12

Photo of Dreamy in Kult Gear:

http://dallasvintageshop.com/wp-content/uploads/sm-punk-rocker.jpg

Dreamtimer

16th July 2017, 21:13

That's frightening. Except I wouldn't have to get a real mohawk with that hat.

Would a beard be out of place?:ttr:

Lord Sidious

16th July 2017, 21:57

So let me get this straight, you defend Sir Baconhat of Nuggetry do you Sam?

enjoy being

16th July 2017, 22:35

How's that American Indian quote go.
"It does not take many words to speak the truth".
People may defend who they like. The issue I take is explained in post 769. I was referring to what I read quoted of what you have been saying in description of the people here at TOT, Sam. And then you continued further to accuse everyone of having, what was it, Messiah complexes.
I just find that all a bit unacceptable and conceited. Other than that, believe what you wish, I am just putting it a bit blunter as you don't seem to be getting it when put nicely.

Chester

17th July 2017, 02:51

OK, I will try and knock out as much as I can from the last several posts, posted my way -

I sense almost every poster who uses this type of venue and starts to share their opinions and points of view (including myself, of course) does so, in part, and often for the most part - because they think they have something to offer that might help others. It is this that I refer to when I make the comment "most of us have, to varying degrees, a bit of a messianic complex" (again, myself included). The reader can take that literally and argue or take offense or they can see the metaphor which was the spirit about which I made the comment.

I came back to TOT because when I was here and active, I discovered a personality about this forum that... after being gone for awhile, I missed. I see much of that personality is still pretty much here. I think Malc and the staff have a lot to be proud of. In fact, because I gained much from my experiences here, I hoped to give back. Yet also, as soon as I got back, I discovered one of the same themes that had something to do with my leaving and that is the constant Bill bashing... appearing just as much an obsession with some here as I was obsessed with Corey back in early 2015.

I would be happy to drop responding (feeling compelled to defend) Bill but you have to see that it is not so easy to do when so often Bill Ryan seems to come up in so many threads on this forum that its hard to avoid.

I wanted to respond to Aragorn's well written post and I still want to do that because I believe I have a very good response, item by item.

But I also offer this to you folks here... not just Malc and staff... but members here. If me being me, which sometimes feels compelled to suggest folks strive to put themselves in another's shoes when that other was in their shoes and not so much in the now, one might see that there are pioneers who not only are the first to break new positive ground, but the first to fall into what later are seen as repetitive traps... and for those, it may be harder to make those changes we all hope to see. If also, folks can understand that someone like me who has reasons to be beholden to both BR and PA are also motivated to avoid confrontation and motivated to work with folks as they are because the membership is more valuable than what could also be seen (often too late) as egoic stands... I have striven to avoid those situations at PA. I learned from both my experiences there and here at TOT.

I will soon come back to address Aragorn's post and then I'll be happy to drop it all and strive to ignor the Bill and PA bashing (regardless of anyone else's continuing comments, even questions) and I also offer my retirement too if foks here would prefer.

modwiz

17th July 2017, 03:06

and I also offer my retirement too if foks here would prefer.

Thanked your post but, I disagree with this part, brother. We are a family and having an honest conversation. I have said my part and have moved on to things that matter......to me.

donk

17th July 2017, 03:21

Chester

17th July 2017, 04:58

You mean like...

Offering up my legal name and my private e-mail address to Simon Parkes so he could threaten me with a lawsuit?

If you have proof Bill did that, then why not confront Bill about it? Why not at least e-mail Bill and ask him why he would do something like that to you.

If, instead, you speculate that Bill did, even if based on reasonable circumstantial evidence then again… why have you not confronted Bill about that?

Also, if Simon threatened you with a lawsuit, did he have grounds regardless how he got that information. Let me make sure you understand why I ask this. Corey came to me and asked me to advance to Atticus what Corey claimed was damaging claims made by several women against Simon. This was on or about March 15, 2015. What was ironic about Corey coming to me literally “out of the blue” to forward this info to Atticus, just exactly one day before, Atticus told me “get the goods on Simon” (yes… quote unquote). But Corey insisted I keep his name out of it. Like a dummy, I took verbatim the words Corey typed to me on a Skype chat and I changed his name to anonymous and forwarded that to Atticus.

Atticus’ reaction was not what I had expected, especially in light of what Atticus asked me to do just one day before. Instead, he threatened me with all sorts of legal ramifications and said I would be extradited to the UK to face charges. I called my lawyer and my lawyer informed me that Texas law protected me regarding the sharing of a conversation as only one party must approve it (me being that one party) and especially because I told Atticus that I considered the conversation to be nothing but hearsay at that point but because he asked for “the goods” perhaps this would lead to actual “goods.”

The point of all this information is to share the fact that if I had done something legally wrong, then I would be responsible for that and might face recriminations.

I have no clue what you may have done that could be subject to recriminations but if you did do something, and someone was motivated to make have you charged, it would be a simple matter to find out who you are and without need of a community “outing.”

But all in all, if Bill did do that, and you have proof, and you haven’t (in the very best way) confronted Bill about it… well, all I can say is, I would have done so.

Offering up Malc's name and private e-mail address to Simon Parkes, so he could threaten both Malc as an individual and The One Truth as an organization with a lawsuit?

Same applies as I stated above… why has Bill not been confronted about this?

Regarding the first two, one or both of you may have confronted Bill about it. If so, what was Bill’s response? If you have proof, how does Bill respond to that proof? If you don’t, how can you assume Bill did this? You may have a compelling circumstantial evidentiary case. How has Bill responded to that?

Organizing a vicarious slandering campaign via his moderators against Christine Anderson, more than a year after she had left him?

Are you referring to the concerns that “PA” had determined valid that some of the PA members had come under scrutiny for potential membership abuse via providing unqualified counseling and membership mining? Where also (and was publicly stated as true yet no one but the PA mod staff and Bill can actually know is true) against Bill’s wishes, the matter of the gold was mentioned in the same thread, let me ask you this. If someone appeared to harm Malc, would not this staff have some emotional reactions to that and perhaps feel compelled act out, maybe act out like Paul did at PA by mixing in “the gold” matter?

As to the first allegation, from what I understand, the primary allegation did not come from within the PA community anyways. But the concerns for the PA community based in part on the allegation and with all the other “baggage” in the picture, it is understandable the actions taken. Would I have handled it the way it was handled? I doubt it. But I also would not ban someone from a forum for not believing Shane (as happened to me at Eyerise) and I would not deactivated someone from a forum for trying to help mediate matters behind the scenes (as appears to be the case with my membership at Earth Empaths). But both those forums have the right to do that and such is life in the forum world.

Banning people from Project Avalon for refusing to bow down before him and/or for simply disagreeing with him? (The subject of Scientology springs to mind.)

I have witnessed many a folk’s demise at PA. Mine may one day occur as well. But I make odds low on that because a.) I have come to know the forum, many of the folks there (mostly members and a few staff and of course, via PMs and e-mails only, Bill) and it’s not hard to gain a little court awareness as to how one remains a contributing member. But for the record, even when I was still in my early stages of membership exploration where I put Simon Parkes on the spot for what later came out as a pattern of behavior others felt harmed by, I was pounced on by rank and file members, then some mods and finally, Bill expressed his serious discomfort (though no rules were broken) with the thread and where it seemed to be heading and so he closed it (note I had the sense to place it in members only from the outset).

And Bill and I exchanged a PM or two as well… but what did not happen with me, in part because I valued my membership more than “having to be right” I backed off. Ironically I left (retired) a few days later with the demodding of a few mods (one who was perhaps my closest online friend, Karelia) and because I had just met Shane. My point in recanting all these true stories is to make the point that we all have our own fate in our own hands. Some folks retire or do that sabbatical thing just so they stop themselves from that very next step where they then may fall on their own sword. Its my opinion that every member has their fate in their own hands at every forum. I see PA as no different though I see in some cases they pull the trigger pretty fast. If I had a forum with a significant number of members online and an average ten to one guests to members ratio like PA has, I might understand their desire to protect their forum the way the best see fit.

I also know how angry I felt when my status was flipped from retired to deactivated and all because of what I thought was a relatively benign post. But now that I am much more a veteran of these forums, I can see why I was perceived “no longer a friend of Avalon.” Thankfully, I was able to receive a probationary second chance and I will NOT get that second yellow card.

Organizing a meetup with several Project Avalon members in an attempt to get them to pony up money for a shady transaction that involved Stephen "Atticus" Hodges?

I have no information about any of that. But hearing stories is one thing, experiencing it is another. I did not experience that and for that reason, this would not be a data point for me.

As an aside which is just my own testimony and an observation - I did have brief interactions with Atticus and he was perhaps the most difficult, troubled individual I ever encountered in my life.

Willfully consenting to the sexual and financial exploitation of Project Avalon members by Simon Parkes, then pretending that he had no idea whatsoever whom these members were complaining about, and then finally, banning said members from Project Avalon?

This is another matter where I only experienced part of this story. Based on my experience and considering the overwhelmingly difficult position any forum owner (especially one the size of PA) would be faced with when someone of the then “stature” of Simon Parkes was the focus of an accusation. All I can say based on my experience is that there was one and only one “accuser.” I also was confronted with accusations made by Corey Goode (as stated above) which vastly expanded the possibilities yet still, to this day, only one single accuser actually went public. I might also add that the only claims I encountered that were made publicly (or privately to myself) by this sole accuser was stuff most kids learn how to deal with in high school or have accepted their own responsibility in co-creating.

The only other data points I have on the matter were posts I read on this forum that made claims that appeared to be stated as true facts but were by those who received the information either from Corey or this one accuser where I add one caveat. I was informed by someone I trust that there was indeed more to this story than I knew and that it involved more than one victim and that it may have included “the obviously vulnerable” but again, that was information I received not from a direct party but from a party that was relaying information second hand. This means that I could not in any way “flat out believe” the information just because I believe my source was telling me truthfully what he was told because if we operated this way… well, let me ask you this? Anyone here ever read the Arthur Miller play, The Crucible? If so, you know the point I am making.

Does any or all of the above qualify as repeatedly causing harm to people, Sam, or are the above factoids not severe enough yet? :shocked:

Most of the list above is either not factoids to me or in my own explorations to find out the truth, there’s more to the story which, in most cases, has led me to more open ended concusions.

Your problem, Sam, is that you are in denial about Bill Ryan's wrongdoings

Its not denial, its different views and the taking of a different approach which has allowed avoidance of unnecessary (egoic) overreaction where the only result can be my own banning and thus exposing myself to forming a never ending resentment. I really do not wish to go that way and thus far (on my second chance) I have not.

because you are still under his spell.

Seriousely? You actually consider that I would allow the empowerment of another such as Bill or anyone else for that matter after the set of experiences you know I went through from 2014 until late 2015?

El Hombre Con Sombrero™ is an expert at manipulation, and he's always ten steps ahead of you, so he knows exactly how to play you (and others).

If this is what you wish to think about both Bill and I (in relation to each other), you have the right. My relationship with Bill doesn’t require manipulation. Bill needs or expects nothing from me but honesty, fairness and good judgment. I expect the same from Bill. We might let each other down a little here or there but folks like us usually find ways to maintain the essence of our relationship and that transcends the rest. Maybe you should just decide I am much like whatever you think Bill is. In fact, that. For me, would be just fine and in many ways a compliment.

You think Bill cares about you, but all he cares about is number one. You are merely an asset to him — a useful but expendable asset.

Bill and I are not relatives. Bill has known me as a member of PA for 5 years. I am one of hundreds if not thousands of members that have joined over that time. Bill and I have never spoken other than once I heard his voice in a live group chat on Skype and he may have actually said something to me directly like Hello, etc. The entirety of our relationship is my membership on his forum and some PMs and e-mails. In some cases these PMs and e-mails were of a more private nature. In some cases I may have asked his opinion (because I valued it and wished to hear it) and in other cases he asked mine. In some cases a kerfluffle may have arisen and I may have been helpful in sorting it. In some cases he did this for me. That though is the extent of our relationship. So I ask you? How much should Bill care about me? In fact, isn’t “care” earned? Bill earned my care by obtaining PA and then making PA what it was when I landed there in 2012 and where PA then played a major role in saving my life. How much should I care for Bill?

As for being an asset, I sure hope I am. Both PA and Bill... oh and TOT for that matter, have all been assets to me. As far as useful, I hope I can be useful as I doubt I could ever provide what I have received from PA. As far as expendability goes… what is to expend? Wouldn’t I need to play a role in creating such a scenario where I could be expended?

And if the above truth hurts your feelings, then let your consolation be that you're not the only one he's using in that manner. He does it to everyone. It's what he does, and what he's probably been doing for all of his life.

The above hasn’t applied to me… So far. I see it has not applied to many others as well… so far. And so all I ask is for you to consider, what if it never does apply to me or many others? Is it possible the old phrase, it takes two to tango might apply in some or most or maybe even all of these cases?

The bottom line for me (meaning my opinion) is that we each have our own sets of reasons to think whatever we feel we should think, to do whatever we feel we should do. Each of us are responsible (again my opinion), individually, for what we think and say and write and do. When it comes to assessing risk, it is the responsibility of the one making the assessment as to how all that works out. I reached the point where I have been burned far too many times following the vocal majority (or the loud few). So when I asses a situation (now), I emphasize personal experience way above the opinions of others – a protocol I adopted after foolishly following a clique out the side door back in 2015 all and only based on the things they told me when it turned out I experienced the most vicious form of “internet cut throat” one by one by all but one of their associates… ironically, Shane. Why is Shane not one of the throat cutters? Because Shane kept in touch and over time all matters were worked out by working through the problems by having open, honest and reasonably mature discussions... worked out to my own satisfaction and to what appears to be Shane’s but I would not dare speak for him.

I am happy now to drop all the Bill/PA talk and will do my best to avoid future engagement of the subject of Bill or PA. I know that for me to be able to do this, I will have to ignore the posts that bash Bill or PA. I believe I am up to it. We shall see.

Aianawa

17th July 2017, 09:59

Fred Steeves

17th July 2017, 10:57

Sam, for the record I respect you for standing tall for what you feel is right. I had hoped to see that Turning Point, but I'm quite sure it was just a mirage anyway. Still, I was willing to give whatever you came up with a fair shake.

After all this time I'm acutely aware that one has to see the shadows on the wall in Plato's Cave for what they really are all on their own, like I and others had to, it can never be pointed out. That's just how it is. After all this time I am also acutely aware that although it's partially true, it's also a very successful and purposely planted meme (by you know who) that former members' experiences are to be discounted out of hand, simply because they are forever bitter and looking to smear. A different lens in looking at that same exact situation, would be that they were there. Who better to ask about the inside workings of a small tight knit group, people who were never there?

I reckon the only other thing left on my mind is that it's a shame this always boils down to being all about BR, when in reality he's not the problem, he's only a *symptom* of a system wide problem. Thing is if the "below" cannot even be seen, good luck with the "above". Sitting ducks most of us are...

Cheers Sam, and stop it with the retirement crap would ya?

enjoy being

17th July 2017, 12:16

Its not much of my business and I apologise for butting in. I actually quite like you because you are obviously passionate about things. I often think of that scene from Edward Scissorhands where he is trying to be comforting to the girl and starts cutting her.
We are all really just trying to bumble through life and make sense of things, we all tend to care a lot, and that comes out in different ways. It would probably be right to say we all would love to make some kind of difference, but we can easily get that wrong and make things worse. Like a door knocking bible basher thinking they are enlightening people, when they are actually driving them away from their purpose.
I have actually felt bad all day for being remotely blunt, as in the greater scope of things was really none of my business and that it potentially would just be read as claws, or a splash for a splash. I think you can get quite a bit of support here by continuing on your path. It is just so easy for distortion to mess things up in these fields where many are passionate about what is going on around us in the world. More and more it becomes, that members of forums such as these are the people who tend to be the more reliable. We don't really need the self appointed conductors, we need each other more, and that is where I might get a bit too passionate about it all.
All here to learn, and help each other if needed. I will still call bullshit when I think I see it and am bound to make mistakes and would hope others would constructively attempt to discuss that with me as well.

donk

17th July 2017, 14:41

Here's Christine's reaction to the BR post I included on post 735 of this thread:

http://earthempaths.net/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1290

Last night I was made aware of post on the PA forum by none other than the owner of said forum. While I can easily walk away from another blasphemous attempt to direct the energy of consciousness anger at me with contemptuous disregard for my being’s sovereignty I am choosing to set the record straight for anyone who may read these words.

To those who use their faulty intuitions to opine on my motivations please be honest enough to consider my own words. For me the whole of the Law is Love and while like any human being caught in this simulated reality there are times I struggle to uphold this within myself. I venture to say this is the case with most of us who have followed the path of great Spirit, we are in a constant state of preparation for what is to come and tested on the ground of our own integrity.

The use of faulty logic, the obfuscation of facts, the irredeemable quality of hatred are all visible for those who have eyes to see, for those no longer tethered to a man who has no scruples when it comes to promoting his false image of righteousness.

So note:

The imposed assumption that I am the only person with access to where he resides and has reason to share this information is completely illogical. First if I had ever wanted to hurt him I have ample manners in which to do so, this however is not my way for one simple reason; I do not wish to harm him. What always wins in me is the desire that he find his way out of his own delusions, that he can come to a place of inner peace with himself and the Cosmos. That said it is abundantly clear that he has made other choices, that he needs to have enemies to justify his existence.

He knows full well that other PA members and people have visited him on the property, he knows full well that Corey Goode and other PA members both present and excommunicated where courted as potential investors in the falsely named “community” we attempted to create. Several newsletters were sent out to the chosen ones with pictures and details as to where the property was. No one knows who this information was shared with or in actuality how many others know where he lives.

And then there is the Scientology [here he differentiates the use of this label from the Free Zone and Ron's Org, however the ideologies of LRH are embedded in all three manifestations] crowd he keeps close contact with, then there are other ex-girl friends, other people he used and discarded along the way. To point the soiled finger of blame at me is ridiculous.

In other words he has incurred many enemies over the years, most related to his inner landscape of duplicity. He has harmed people, he has such a level of anger with himself which he suppresses that he has to “make enemies”. He has murderous thoughts and desires and when in that state of being he is dangerous, this he consciously knows to be true because he asked me on many occasions to deal with the people he despised because he couldn't trust his reactions. My questions are how long can he continue to keep the lid on this? And who next is in his line of fire?

Ex-wife, hardly though that would be my desire. I am his estranged wife who left because he never once was able to accept any responsibility for his actions, it was always some others fault. My inner workings are those of a peace maker and a protector of the sacredness of life. When filled from within, with the full realization of self being connected with the all comes an integrity of being that doesn’t include making enemies of those close to you or far.

Here I will be transparently honest, I still feel the burden of ever having lent my energy to this endeavor for it was false from the beginning, in my own deception I allowed myself to be fooled and in doing so facilitated others to become directly and financially involved.

My Friend was unsubscribed from said forum because he asked for a sabbatical, time to sit back from the scene there and contemplate a deeper reality. He has a few friends who remain behind, those who he will miss. It had absolute zero to do with a made up story of me providing information to someone for a YouTube video? Actually in writing this I am not even sure where this information was shared, that is how little attention I have on the shenanigans of the corrupt players.

My Friend has been a constant companion in helping me reach a deep state of compassion for said forum owner.

In addition, it ought to be abundantly clear that the operational agendas of Goode and BR are copy and paste exact. Both use the same mechanisms of misdirected information, slander and false testimony and when called on it they go on the attack.

I wish people weren’t so blind.

Dreamtimer

17th July 2017, 15:00

I haven't listened to CW Chanter in a while but I like this one. He discusses the alternative community (not just SBA) and how we need to see ourselves as family and not be at odds with each other.

He speaks of the cruelty, potential danger and general inappropriateness of doxxing and of trying to shut someone's YouTube channel down.

He speaks of the importance of dialogue and actual critical thinking and exchange.

He also mentions that he's been involved with all kinds of religions and cult-like organizations and therefore has a good perspective on what cult-like behavior is like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2338&v=5uCrEyCL5Gc

RR is right on Target ;) :thup:

Fav quote: "We shouldn't be $H!##y to each other." If CW has to say that to a community of STO, they are no such thing.

Great last ten minutes if you don't want to listen to it all.

Dumpster Diver

17th July 2017, 16:41

To Sam Hunter:

You are a valued member to me. I read your opinions, and frequently don't agree with them BUT I tend to learn the most from folks I don't agree with, especially those who put time and consideration into such opinions.

I think is is great that you find you can coexist both there and at Avalon and more power to you as I can't and be allowed to say what I'd tend to say.

Rock on bro!

Gio

17th July 2017, 17:17

Party on ...

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Aragorn

17th July 2017, 20:46

If Bill came anywhere near to behaviors I find harmful to others in the now, I would be sharing my opinion with him directly and privately first and then... if those behaviors continued, I would withdraw my support. If those behaviors still continued, I probably would come to the opinion that Bill was harming the vulnerable - again, he would have to demonstrate that too me, show that is a pattern and, most importantly, be doing so in the now.

You mean like...

Offering up my legal name and my private e-mail address to Simon Parkes so he could threaten me with a lawsuit?

If you have proof Bill did that, then why not confront Bill about it? Why not at least e-mail Bill and ask him why he would do something like that to you.

[...]

For several reasons, Sam. I'll list them below.

Bill Ryan was the only person who knew my real name and had my personal e-mail address. Likewise with regard to Malc's personal e-mail address, and Malc had already been banned from Avalon since 2011, when The One Truth was founded. But we know from at least two separate sources that Bill manically keeps all information anyone ever supplies him with — including the data gathered from member registrations — on separate hard disks.

Oh, and we've also been told by at least two of his staff members — one of them was still on the Avalon staff at that point in time — that he also manically keeps a list of all Project Avalon members who are also registered here at The One Truth. This is one of the reasons why many of them have chosen another screen name here than they have over there, although in some cases, people drop clues without that they realize, and so he'll know who they are nevertheless.

As for why I didn't contact him, first of all, I do not expect a proven liar — and I know full well that he most certainly lied to me — to be giving me an honest answer. You might just as well send a letter to the US government in which you would be asking them whether it is true that an alien craft crashed at Roswell and that they've been sitting on that technology for 70 years.

Secondly, Bill Ryan only replies to e-mails and PMs when he wants to. I know that from experience too because I had already asked him for clarification about something, and he didn't reply to me then either.

Thirdly, at that point in time, I had just been banned from Project Avalon by Bill Ryan himself after he and Dennis Leahy had been grilling me in a 24-hour crossfire. Do you really think I would have been in the mood to go "Gee Bill, somebody just gave my real name and my e-mail address to Simon Parkes. You wouldn't happen to know anything about that, do you?"

I'm sorry, Sam, but I've got more self-respect than that.

If, instead, you speculate that Bill did, even if based on reasonable circumstantial evidence then again… why have you not confronted Bill about that?

See above. And the "circumstantial evidence" that I've provided here-above — and that I have so far provided several times already — is good enough to hold up in court. I repeat: nobody else had access to that information, and especially not whereas it concerns Malc's private e-mail address, because Malc had already no longer been a member of Avalon for four years at that point in time — i.e. Simon Parkes threatened us both on the 6th of April 2015.

Also, if Simon threatened you with a lawsuit, did he have grounds regardless how he got that information.

Are you asking me whether Simon Parkes had grounds to threaten us with a lawsuit, or whether Bill Ryan had grounds for providing that information to Simon?

If the former, it was allegedly over charges of libel because of things that were being discussed about him here at The One Truth on a members-only thread. I participated in that exchange, and in it I was repeatedly referring to Simon Parkes as Count Comb-Over™, a moniker that was not invented by myself but rather by a now retired member who went by the name That Guy.

If the latter, then there is no excuse. Providing a malevolent member with the private information of other members is a serious breach of confidentiality.

Let me make sure you understand why I ask this. Corey came to me and asked me to advance to Atticus what Corey claimed was damaging claims made by several women against Simon. This was on or about March 15, 2015. What was ironic about Corey coming to me literally “out of the blue” to forward this info to Atticus, just exactly one day before, Atticus told me “get the goods on Simon” (yes… quote unquote). But Corey insisted I keep his name out of it. Like a dummy, I took verbatim the words Corey typed to me on a Skype chat and I changed his name to anonymous and forwarded that to Atticus.

Atticus’ reaction was not what I had expected, especially in light of what Atticus asked me to do just one day before. Instead, he threatened me with all sorts of legal ramifications and said I would be extradited to the UK to face charges. I called my lawyer and my lawyer informed me that Texas law protected me regarding the sharing of a conversation as only one party must approve it (me being that one party) and especially because I told Atticus that I considered the conversation to be nothing but hearsay at that point but because he asked for “the goods” perhaps this would lead to actual “goods.”

The point of all this information is to share the fact that if I had done something legally wrong, then I would be responsible for that and might face recriminations.

I have no clue what you may have done that could be subject to recriminations but if you did do something, and someone was motivated to make have you charged, it would be a simple matter to find out who you are and without need of a community “outing.”

Both the Project Avalon server and the server of The One Truth are hosted in the United States of Acronyms. Both Malc and Simon Parkes are citizens of the United Kingdom. Bill Ryan is a citizen — or at the very least, a legal guest — of Ecuador. I myself am a native Belgian.

I have not broken any laws in either of the aforementioned countries, and I was very meticulous about what I said about Simon Parkes, and what I did not say. In fact, some people on the aforementioned members-only thread were fishing for the dirty details on Simon Parkes, but I was very careful about what I said, and I was constantly reminding those people that it would have been unwise to reveal any details of a case that could soon find itself in court. And at that point in time, I was indeed working behind the scenes with people whose then-intent was to bring Simon Parkes to justice over charges of sexual harassment and intimidation.

My only "sin" on that thread was that I was repeatedly referring to Simon Parkes as Count Comb-Over™.

But all in all, if Bill did do that, and you have proof, and you haven’t (in the very best way) confronted Bill about it… well, all I can say is, I would have done so.

Yeah well, I think I know very well what my chances to a fair answer would have been, Sam. And I think that if you had been in my shoes and you were to have asked Bill, then you would have been incredibly naive to expect an honest answer from a man who's been lying and spinning for at least ten years already, and probably for all of his life.

I don't think you understand what a Machiavellian psychopath is, Sam, and I also don't think you are capable of recognizing one when you see one.

Organizing a vicarious slandering campaign via his moderators against Christine Anderson, more than a year after she had left him?

Are you referring to the concerns that “PA” had determined valid that some of the PA members had come under scrutiny for potential membership abuse via providing unqualified counseling and membership mining?

No. That was just part of the sticks and stones in the big box. Besides, said counseling was done with Bill Ryan's full consent, as he himself was a member of the Avalon 24/7 Earth Healing Group, until he was kicked out of that group by Christine due to the fact that he was constantly souring up the group's Skype meetings with his obsession regarding Corey Goode and Corey's possession of a 72-page FBI file on Bill Ryan, thereby behaving passive-aggressively toward the other group members.

In retaliation for that, Bill Ryan fired newbie moderator Hazel from the Avalon staff, upon which Christine and Claudia (Karelia) then both stepped down as moderators out of protest. I have personally confronted Bill Ryan about that, and he vehemently denied that anyone had been fired from the staff. Strangely enough, more than a year later, as part of the slandering campaign against Christine, Bill Ryan openly admitted on the Avalon forum that he had, indeed, fired Hazel from the mod team — with some phoney explanation as to why they had fired her.

Where also (and was publicly stated as true yet no one but the PA mod staff and Bill can actually know is true) against Bill’s wishes, the matter of the gold was mentioned in the same thread, let me ask you this. If someone appeared to harm Malc, would not this staff have some emotional reactions to that and perhaps feel compelled act out, maybe act out like Paul did at PA by mixing in “the gold” matter?

That's a red herring, Sam. Those who were on the Project Avalon staff at the time were the Bill Ryan sycophants, who — to paraphrase Lord Sidious — would not only agree with Bill if he were to say that the sky is red instead of blue, but who would also ban everyone who doesn't agree with that. All of the other mods, the ones who all knew what was going on behind the scenes of Project Avalon, had already either voluntarily left the Avalon staff, or had been bullied off of the staff by Bill, or had been fired by him.

As to the first allegation, from what I understand, the primary allegation did not come from within the PA community anyways. But the concerns for the PA community based in part on the allegation and with all the other “baggage” in the picture, it is understandable the actions taken. Would I have handled it the way it was handled? I doubt it. But I also would not ban someone from a forum for not believing Shane (as happened to me at Eyerise) and I would not deactivated someone from a forum for trying to help mediate matters behind the scenes (as appears to be the case with my membership at Earth Empaths). But both those forums have the right to do that and such is life in the forum world.

I don't have any member experience with either Eye-Rise or Earth Empaths, but Eye-Rise is now our sister forum, and I have been talking extensively with Kathy — both via e-mail and by way of video conferencing — about Ria and her Shanolytes.

Kathy's mistake at the time was that she had handed over the management of the Eye-Rise forum to Ria, with whom she had for long already been friends. Kathy herself wanted to step back from running Eye-Rise on a daily basis, and at one point even offered full ownership of the forum to Ria, but Ria refused. The draconian policy at Eye-Rise at the time was entirely the work of Ria and her Shanolytes.

Luckily however, those people have all been gone from Eye-Rise for quite a while now, including Shane "The Ruiner" Bales himself. Kathy has taken full control of her forum again, and she is now running it in a very different manner. She has been working very hard — and is still working very hard — to put out as much information as she can by way of her forum, and The One Truth supports her all the way in that.

Banning people from Project Avalon for refusing to bow down before him and/or for simply disagreeing with him? (The subject of Scientology springs to mind.)

I have witnessed many a folk’s demise at PA. Mine may one day occur as well. But I make odds low on that because a.) I have come to know the forum, many of the folks there (mostly members and a few staff and of course, via PMs and e-mails only, Bill) and it’s not hard to gain a little court awareness as to how one remains a contributing member. But for the record, even when I was still in my early stages of membership exploration where I put Simon Parkes on the spot for what later came out as a pattern of behavior others felt harmed by, I was pounced on by rank and file members, then some mods and finally, Bill expressed his serious discomfort (though no rules were broken) with the thread and where it seemed to be heading and so he closed it (note I had the sense to place it in members only from the outset).

And Bill and I exchanged a PM or two as well… but what did not happen with me, in part because I valued my membership more than “having to be right” I backed off. Ironically I left (retired) a few days later with the demodding of a few mods (one who was perhaps my closest online friend, Karelia) and because I had just met Shane. My point in recanting all these true stories is to make the point that we all have our own fate in our own hands. Some folks retire or do that sabbatical thing just so they stop themselves from that very next step where they then may fall on their own sword. Its my opinion that every member has their fate in their own hands at every forum. I see PA as no different though I see in some cases they pull the trigger pretty fast. If I had a forum with a significant number of members online and an average ten to one guests to members ratio like PA has, I might understand their desire to protect their forum the way the best see fit.

I also know how angry I felt when my status was flipped from retired to deactivated and all because of what I thought was a relatively benign post. But now that I am much more a veteran of these forums, I can see why I was perceived “no longer a friend of Avalon.” Thankfully, I was able to receive a probationary second chance and I will NOT get that second yellow card.

The above paragraphs actually say more about yourself than about Project Avalon, Sam. You got down on your knees for El Sombrero™. And that's exactly what he wanted you to do.

Organizing a meetup with several Project Avalon members in an attempt to get them to pony up money for a shady transaction that involved Stephen "Atticus" Hodges?

I have no information about any of that. But hearing stories is one thing, experiencing it is another. I did not experience that and for that reason, this would not be a data point for me.

A then-friend of mine was among those who had been invited. She thought it was just going to be a "meet & greet", and so she was quite surprised that it was a presentation about some financial plan. She wasn't interested anyway, so they didn't contact her anymore after that.

This woman has also visited Bill and Christine in Ecuador and stayed with them for a while. She knew them very well. She also described Bill as a hoarder. At one point she and Christine were going somewhere without Bill, and just before they left, he gave her one of his cameras and told her to photograph everything she would come across. He wanted as many pictures as possible.

As an aside which is just my own testimony and an observation - I did have brief interactions with Atticus and he was perhaps the most difficult, troubled individual I ever encountered in my life.

He's insane. He's very intelligent, but he's also very psychotic.

Willfully consenting to the sexual and financial exploitation of Project Avalon members by Simon Parkes, then pretending that he had no idea whatsoever whom these members were complaining about, and then finally, banning said members from Project Avalon?

This is another matter where I only experienced part of this story. Based on my experience and considering the overwhelmingly difficult position any forum owner (especially one the size of PA) would be faced with when someone of the then “stature” of Simon Parkes was the focus of an accusation. All I can say based on my experience is that there was one and only one “accuser.”

No, there were several, and the only accuser you seem to remember only came long after all the other ones. That's exactly how come Bill Ryan and the Avalon staff knew about it, and I have first-hand knowledge of that myself, because Dennis Leahy gave it away to me that he already knew before I had said anything.

When those complaints started coming in at the Avalon mod room, Simon Parkes immediately threatened Bill Ryan and Project Avalon with a lawsuit — does that sound familiar to you? In response, Bill Ryan wrote Simon a PM in which he apologized on behalf of all of Avalon, and Count Comb-Over™ backed off from his threat. From that moment on, Simon Parkes had free reign at Avalon.

I also was confronted with accusations made by Corey Goode (as stated above) which vastly expanded the possibilities yet still, to this day, only one single accuser actually went public.

I have personally read testimonies from other accusers as well, but they were not (or no longer) members of Project Avalon.

I might also add that the only claims I encountered that were made publicly (or privately to myself) by this sole accuser was stuff most kids learn how to deal with in high school or have accepted their own responsibility in co-creating.

[...]

You're turning out quite an apologist, Sam. <shaking my head>

Does any or all of the above qualify as repeatedly causing harm to people, Sam, or are the above factoids not severe enough yet? :shocked:

Most of the list above is either not factoids to me or in my own explorations to find out the truth, there’s more to the story which, in most cases, has led me to more open ended concusions.

Then I repeat: you are turning out quite an apologist, Sam.

Your problem, Sam, is that you are in denial about Bill Ryan's wrongdoings[...

Its not denial, its different views and the taking of a different approach which has allowed avoidance of unnecessary (egoic) overreaction where the only result can be my own banning and thus exposing myself to forming a never ending resentment. I really do not wish to go that way and thus far (on my second chance) I have not.

I'm afraid you're just lying to yourself now.

...] because you are still under his spell.

Seriousely? You actually consider that I would allow the empowerment of another such as Bill or anyone else for that matter after the set of experiences you know I went through from 2014 until late 2015?

Yes, Sam, seriously. And deep down inside, you also know why that is the case. But I don't want to say anything that could be painful to you, and I especially don't want to do that on a publicly visible thread. All I am asking you to do is be honest with yourself, not on account of the explanations of your behavior and feelings that feel comfortable for you to accept, but on account of the ones that you may find harder to accept.

El Hombre Con Sombrero™ is an expert at manipulation, and he's always ten steps ahead of you, so he knows exactly how to play you (and others).

If this is what you wish to think about both Bill and I (in relation to each other), you have the right. My relationship with Bill doesn’t require manipulation.

Maybe not from your end, but Bill Ryan does not have any relationships in which there is no manipulation taking place. It's part of his psychological makeup.

Bill needs or expects nothing from me but honesty, fairness and good judgment.

Yes, that's part of the Machiavellian's tricks. They expect honesty and fairness from the people they themselves manipulate. It makes the game so much easier.

I expect the same from Bill.

Good luck with that then, Sam. You'd be the first person in the world to get it.

We might let each other down a little here or there but folks like us usually find ways to maintain the essence of our relationship and that transcends the rest. Maybe you should just decide I am much like whatever you think Bill is. In fact, that. For me, would be just fine and in many ways a compliment.

[...]

You are nothing like Bill Ryan, Sam. He's a Machiavellian psychopath and an obsessive-compulsive narcissist, while you are someone who's yearning for his recognition, and you think he's given it to you.

You've clearly got him up on a pedestal, but the truth of the matter is that you don't mean anything to him. Nobody does. Psychopaths only care about themselves. He'll throw you under the bus at the first sign that doing so would somehow benefit him. Again, it's how he is, and it's what he does.

Aianawa

17th July 2017, 21:06

Sorta helps CGs cause, your post Aragorn about BR, which Sam may find difficulty in, its okay I know you no mean to imply that CG is the better person, just see that maybe Sam may see it that way.

Aragorn

17th July 2017, 21:24

Sorta helps CGs cause, your post Aragorn about BR, which Sam may find difficulty in, its okay I know you no mean to imply that CG is the better person, just see that maybe Sam may see it that way.

Corey has issues of his own. He's incredibly self-centered and he cannot tell truth from fiction. He interprets his own thoughts and dreams as things that really took place. I would have diagnosed him with schizophrenia if it weren't for another person who had herself been a MILAB victim and who assured me that this sort of confusion among abductees would indeed be consistent with the MILAB phenomenon.

Several people have also already stated their opinion that Corey appears to be "drugged out" when on camera. The kind of brain damage inflicted during MILAB sessions can indeed have that effect on people. They do after all use various drugs and other chemicals, as well as torture, as part of their "mad science".

As for Stacey, either she blindly believes him and trusts him in that which she cannot verify herself, or else she knows it's all bull and she's simply exploiting the situation for her own benefit. I'm not sure which one it would be, but I lean toward the latter scenario.

donk

17th July 2017, 22:26

Sorta helps CGs cause, your post Aragorn about BR, which Sam may find difficulty in, its okay I know you no mean to imply that CG is the better person, just see that maybe Sam may see it that way.

What cause? The fight for most alt media attention?

It's not Bill versus Corey, with "outsiders" having to pick a side. It's not a game that anybody is going to win.

Sharing your experiences with either of them, like these guys are doing...should be only that.

I personally like to look closer at the point they overlapped. Sam and aragorn were both their with very different perspectives from me, who was there too

My memory of the situation is a lot different than what Sam is enabling, the narrative bill's telling now. It doesn't take a bit away from Corey's douchiness to point out Bill's.

There's plenty of people analyzing CGs antics post goodETxSG, including bill's own championing that "cause". I like looking a couple steps back, which it seems to me Sam is obfuscating

Lord Sidious

17th July 2017, 22:57

Aragorn

17th July 2017, 23:10

So let me get this straight.
Sam admits being a stitch, dishonest, a fan of Sir Baconhat of Nuggetry and was a friend of atticus/charles/stephen and breaches peoples confidence?

The breach of confidence was El Sombrero™'s doing, not Sam's.

When Sam provided Stephen Hodges with information, it was because Corey had asked him to do that, and not much of that information — if any — would have been out of the public domain at the time. Most people already knew Count Comb-Over™ was a pervert, but Hodges wanted to know whether he was also a pedophile — which Corey claimed that he was.

donk

17th July 2017, 23:11

So let me get this straight.
Sam admits being a stitch, dishonest, a fan of Sir Baconhat of Nuggetry and was a friend of atticus/charles/stephen and breaches peoples confidence?
WTF is anyone doing debating this worm?
Go back to project nuggetry where you belong sam, stop infesting us with your crap............

It ain't a debate for me...to me he's a window into the mind of the extreme enabler, it's fascinating to get the victim's eye view of the situation through his "reality" and projections.

...hmmm. A case study...maybe I'll start a thread about it :lol:

Aianawa

18th July 2017, 06:44

Drama is or can be an addiction, drama creators enjoy the joy of it, to stop seekers actually finding themself, drama hurdling is postured and laid.

Dreamtimer

19th July 2017, 12:01

There are videos coming out now by people who don't really have anything to do with this but the tentacles have reached so far...

One great observation made was that since nothing can be proved, it's just like faith. As a faith, when you don't believe you're a heretic. And you get doxxed and threatened.

I've always wondered what it was like at the beginning of a new cult/religion. And here we have it. It unfolds, some among us watch in disbelief, and others want to be the first followers.

I personally believe that when someone starts a religion to make money it's the apex of hypocrisy and the zenith of goodness.

Here's one of them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykj3BgDPcwM

TargeT

19th July 2017, 13:04

WTF is anyone doing debating this worm?
Go back to project nuggetry where you belong sam, stop infesting us with your crap............

Haha, like a kid who can't stop picking at a scab...

who's infesting who with what crap?

all of you should get over your hat obsessions, it reads a bit ridiculous.

Drama is or can be an addiction, drama creators enjoy the joy of it, to stop seekers actually finding themself, drama hurdling is postured and laid.

Yes, I suppose that's it.

Dreamtimer

19th July 2017, 13:51

It's possible that looking ridiculous is preferable to following/allying w/an NS type. People who've been in the 'living room' haven't committed to non-disclosure.

No doubt it can be useful to be in that living room where you can see things first-hand. And that probably depends on on who's there, the energy that's in the room, and what topics might become taboo.

If someone has an open house, people are gonna come look and then talk. My sister-in-law does it all the time. (but not metaphorically)

Lord Sidious

19th July 2017, 17:51

Haha, like a kid who can't stop picking at a scab...

who's infesting who with what crap?

all of you should get over your hat obsessions, it reads a bit ridiculous.

Ah, yes, another fanboy.
I can tell you what is ridiculous, defending scam artists

TargeT

19th July 2017, 18:09

Ah, yes, another fanboy.
I can tell you what is ridiculous, defending scam artists

Ahh, the proof steps forward and shows itself with a graceful bow.

In your desperate attempt to categorize everything in relation to hats, I hope you don't stab your self in the foot too many times.

I've never been a bill supporter, you claim I am now in some emotional spat? You sir have an issue that needs to be worked through, and it's spilling all over this forum (Don't worry, you do not seem to be alone).

Just because someone doesn't fully agree with you doesn't mean someone is in Camp A instead of Camp B now.. quit the polarization, it never helps.

Aragorn

19th July 2017, 18:16

Can we all just drop the ad hominems, please? We're all supposed to be on the same side here. :rolleyes:

Lord Sidious

19th July 2017, 19:33

Can we all just drop the ad hominems, please? We're all supposed to be on the same side here. :rolleyes:

Are we?

Dumpster Diver

19th July 2017, 21:18

Haha, like a kid who can't stop picking at a scab...

who's infesting who with what crap?

all of you should get over your hat obsessions, it reads a bit ridiculous.

Sorry, I like the term "Darth Hatman." BTW, it obviously comes from my favorite villain Darth Vader, who turns into a "good guy" in the end after he nails the Evil Emperor.

Maybe Hatman can transcend his "nature" and do the same?

After all, everybody is 'sposed to get a chance at redemption in the end.

...in the meantime, I'm still down with Hatman running at least one psyop. The circumstances are just too convenient to not be so:

Camelot doing so many videos of whistleblowers and not getting shut down for it (because Camelot is a honeypot for whistleblowers).

Hatman coming out against CG when his and DW's Disclosure movement is really starting to get traction tending to split the alt-world into "warring camps."

TOO CONVENIENT.

In the intelligence world there are NO coincidences.

Come on, T. You've been in the military.

Fred Steeves

19th July 2017, 23:20

all of you should get over your hat obsessions, it reads a bit ridiculous.

Thanks for the tell. :thup:

TargeT, coming from the guy who has prided himself all along in only researching 1/2 of the BR/CG equation, that speaks volumes.

Aragorn

20th July 2017, 00:32

Thanks for the tell. :thup:
TargeT, coming from the guy who has prided himself all along in only researching 1/2 of the BR/CG equation, that speaks volumes.

Ahem...

:Bump:

Can we all just drop the ad hominems, please? We're all supposed to be on the same side here. :rolleyes:
:Bump:

I can understand that some of you don't particularly get along with one another, but giving in to ad hominems is like shooting at the messenger rather than at the message.

Now, as far as I'm concerned, the issue of El Sombrero™ lashing out at Mr. Blue Chicken™ no longer holds my interest, and has also already ebbed away from the focus of the community again in the meantime. Still, to El Sombrero™, it was obviously all part of his return to stardom as a so-called researcher in the equally so-called "alternative community".

This in and of itself does lend itself to further discussions, and it goes along really well with the original tenet of this thread, which is that Corey Goode got his ticket to fame handed to him by El Sombrero™ himself, just as El Sombrero™ has done with so many other "alt community" celebrities who all turned out to be con artists.

But anyway, those are observable facts, and I see no reason why they cannot be discussed here. But can we then please discuss them, instead of feeding one's personal dislike for any particular other forum member? Please?

:getcoat:

Fred Steeves

20th July 2017, 00:45

Ah hell, it's all good Aragorn. Actually I like TargeT (and Sam btw), just callin 'em like I see 'em.

:back to topic: :onthequite:

enjoy being

20th July 2017, 05:03

Hello,

:-p. I'll pick up the ball Aragorn.

So far this year I have not spent an awful amount of time in "alternative media chasing mode"... work mainly burns my mental energy to focus on things.
Hence how I tend to pop in and out of this forum for instance, with months and months between.
For some strange reason I often return to the alt-land just in time to witness certain events happening.
There's lots of gaps in all the plot of character clashes, "I haven't been watching every episode religiously" as we say.

Anyway, in general, one thing that I think I see that is currently happening, and ask for views on is that from several different floors of the topical highrise of alt media information, there seems to be an effort of sorts, coming from "somewhere" to how do we say...
pull up anchor
shake the snow globe
confuse and dislodge
...
The tony blair quote 16 years ago, regards a time where everything is in flux and the opportunity to change the world before the dust settles.
...
pulling the carpet out from under
problem reaction solution.
disolving the ground you stand on and getting people in a state of lurching for some solid ground.
"Here, land on this, this is your new safe ground". Watch for this.
I feel I am seeing in different fields of research, in many ways the last decade at least has been largely about presentation of the information and coroboration. Now the tone feels more about entangling and fostering despair or disorientation.

Adds. It is sort of a departure innit, from the topic?
In some ways I'm tempted to suggest a new thread title was created and a thread to go with it. In times past I may even have moved that this thread gets closed soon, not, end of subject maybe, just end of the thread. Anew race with fresh legs. Once sufficient people have felt they have completed this one.

donk

20th July 2017, 11:32

Haha, like a kid who can't stop picking at a scab...

who's infesting who with what crap?

all of you should get over your hat obsessions, it reads a bit ridiculous.

Yes, I suppose that's it.

I've suspected BR was the biggest problem in our slice of the community (and therefore a good case study for the community at large) since BEFORE Corey was attracting attention. So I guess that looks as much like obsession as your fact checking/research looks like obsession with Corey

Likewise, your behaviors look as much like BR support as mine does BR hate tonsome people (...well, me). I don't believe you're a hard core supporter anymore than I think of myself as hater.

But this thread IS about Bill Ryan, or was supposed to be about what I saw as his contribution to the problems that Corey seems to be getting all the responsibility for

donk

20th July 2017, 12:02

And I'm gonna have to agree with the Lord of the Nugs here, and don't see aragorns ad hominems...target genuinely sees attacks on...sorry, obsession with...Bill, while some of us see that as support or deflection from anything we see as problematic, especially in light of Fred's view (and T's admission) that he (and so many others) dismiss or ignore or excuse and enable so much of what I see as important pieces of the puzzle. All of which plays very well in the "case study" I tried presenting in this thread

In general, Corey's behavior is seen as abusive and damaging, coming from an self serving individual that seems to be profiting in attention if not material gain. There's plenty of threads and videos about that. This one is about people's perspective of Bill's use/mitigation/thread/championing/etc of that situation.

My perspective on that is he's more of an "authority" in this space and therefore more responsibile. I'd like to see him get some accountability, that's one of the points I keep pushing, that I like to try steering the convo toward

If that looks like obsession than so be it. Target's comment seems like a deflection/detailing from that, but whatever...such is life, and lessons can be learned.

And if ya need to poke fun or make jokes or even viciously attack, I think it reveals more about the situation than it causes harm or hurts anybody's feelings

TargeT

20th July 2017, 12:50

and don't see aragorns ad hominems

Well, as soon as I say "Donk you are clearly obsessed by bill" and follow it with something like "why are we talking/listening to you"

That would be a classic ad hominem (saying something about you "your obsession with corey" or "you like the color yellow" and following it with a judgement/action that completely ignores the topic at hand based on the comment made about the person (obsession with corey, color yellow.. etc)).

Perfect example? slam dunk ad hominem?

WTF is anyone doing debating this worm?

That put my hackles up, that anyone would have that attitude to another person or use that type of degrading language.

So technically, yes both myself and Mr Sid participated in that particular fallacy (to one degree or another).

target genuinely sees attacks on

No, I do not

obsession with...Bill,
Maybe just a bit? come on, you gotta admit there's some latent baggage on this forum with that forum.

while some of us see that as support or deflection from anything we see as problematic, especially in light of Fred's view (and T's admission) that he (and so many others) dismiss or ignore or excuse and enable so much of what I see as important pieces of the puzzle. All of which plays very well in the "case study" I tried presenting in this thread

I tried to pump fred for bill information, he gave some then gave up. I was gladly handed information on Corey (I work a lot, don't have tons of research time) and a portion of it I knew already, & I know IT well and that was an easy part for me.. low hanging fruit; plus I need to get back into video making as I want to greatly increase what I do for the rescue (I've put out three new videos for my rescue (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnhx5M8REBtBYMl1bfzO5Mg) so far, I knocked the dust off my editing skill with the corey videos.. some of my videos were just editing, actually most are.).

So my motivation for my contributions were mostly personal and actually had little to do with this topic; yet out of that context this morphs into latent bill support or that I'm taking a stance on this or don't find the entire subject (UFO's and UFOLOGY) a bit funny and never took it seriously in the first place (thus my huge gaps in knowledge and requests for information).

In general, Corey's behavior is seen as abusive and damaging, coming from an self serving individual that seems to be profiting in attention if not material gain. There's plenty of threads and videos about that. This one is about people's perspective of Bill's use/mitigation/thread/championing/etc of that situation.
That show's how much I'm paying attention.... haha I wasn't approaching this from only that angle.

My perspective on that is he's more of an "authority" in this space and therefore more responsibile. I'd like to see him get some accountability, that's one of the points I keep pushing, that I like to try steering the convo toward

I've already offered to make the video, I even have a bit of info tucked away in a (this?) thread on this forum... (that was forgotten I suppose? even by fred?)

Target's comment seems like a deflection/detailing from that, but whatever...such is life, and lessons can be learned.

You saw this thread as bill centric, I saw it as corey centric.. the title is a bit ambiguous I suppose. I thought I was being efficient and on topic.. if the topic is bill then I'm off topic as hell.... but to me it really didn't seem to be (aside from the fact that he sort of,kind of, or at least took credit for, starting this conversation)

Dreamtimer

20th July 2017, 13:01

Forgive is one thing. Forget is another. It's stupid to forget the things that harmed or caused trouble. It's important to remember them so they can be avoided and not repeated.

To fail to talk about it when there are always new, and young, people coming onto the scene is irresponsible. So people discuss the questionable, shady things that have happened.

It's stupid to ignore long-term patterns of behavior. I've watched people crash and burn from doing that. The discussion will continue because the lessons are yet to be learned.

You're working on a Bill video, TargeT? Now that I would like to see. But you don't need just Fred. There's tons of info out there. You can consider your time spent part of your 'doing something.'

TargeT

20th July 2017, 13:16

You're working on a Bill video, TargeT? Now that I would like to see. But you don't need just Fred. There's tons of info out there. You can consider your time spent part of your 'doing something.'

I never paid attention to what I considered "forum drama" at the time and I've never been interested in UFO stuff so I've huge huge gaps of knowledge on bill, his involvement (spearheading?) of serpio, charles, inelia, I think there's a few more?

I don't care where my source is, as long as it includes references that I can verify... I just don't have any time, I have 2 jobs and run a business, I'm flying out this afternoon for training and I won't get a day off for the next month or so (except for brief periods between flights).

If I can scrape some stuff together I'll gladly edit it, that I can provide (the editing and platform). My Corey videos are just info I scavenged from the various corey threads plus my own personal memories of interacting with him at the time and my experience in two of the area's he talks about working in... I've got enough scraped together for another corey video, but not enough for a bill video yet.

I was introduced to this community via Charles youtube videos with bill.... he's repeated that pattern many times, I personally cannot think of one credible person he's put forward on his own.

donk

20th July 2017, 13:24

Well said dreamtimer

Target I think misinterpreted Fred's point, my view of you is like a lot of PA peeps you miss or dismiss or ignore a lot of what I see as blatant obvious hypocracy and/or irresponsibility

Him using Corey as a case study the way he has is to me a case study in itself to the creation of "alt media whistleblower celebrities", which is how he (and Kerri) gained fame AFTER he himself WAS ONE with Serpo story he continues to stand by

Throw in "Mirage Men" revealing his relationship with Richard Doty (among others), and your pick of the other dramatic episodes he discloses if his researching adventures, and it just drives me crazy how this whole Corey thing almost constantly isolates CG like he can be examined in a vacuum. Wilcock gets mentioned but hardly analyzed in comparison. And the rest of the cast and crew around these types of the production somehow get no part of the responsibility

The problems Corey revealed of the community has been beaten to death and should have been obvious anyway to the least discerning among us. Lost in the mix is the ability to study the dynamics of how a Corey gets created/attention

Dreamtimer

20th July 2017, 13:29

Thanks. I predict there are a few who have some stuff you can use, TargeT. Alas, I don't personally. There's stuff here no doubt...

TargeT

20th July 2017, 14:19

Well said dreamtimer

Target I think misinterpreted Fred's point, my view of you is like a lot of PA peeps you miss or dismiss or ignore a lot of what I see as blatant obvious hypocracy and/or irresponsibility

I wear a military uniform to work every day.. I'm very good at dissembling... don't take my camouflage too seriously...

But on another note.. I see yet don't care. Bill is a side show charlatan (maybe currently, did he used to be more?) at worst IMO, I can honestly say I've watched maybe 2 of his interviews.. and 1 was the Charles stuff that got me into alt forums in the beginning.

I wrote him off so long ago I'm a bit surprised at the vehemence expressed here.. how is bill anything but a participant in a tiny corner of the internet little influence, maybe none out side of PA? am i missing something?

I know there is definitely some past actions that need to be more clearly owned up to (all the false Prophets)... but recently?

Lord Sidious

20th July 2017, 14:21

I never paid attention to what I considered "forum drama" at the time and I've never been interested in UFO stuff so I've huge huge gaps of knowledge on bill, his involvement (spearheading?) of serpio, charles, inelia, I think there's a few more?

I was introduced to this community via Charles youtube videos with bill.... he's repeated that pattern many times, I personally cannot think of one credible person he's put forward on his own.

You say this and expect us to take you with credibility?
You have all the credibility of a flat tyre.

TargeT

20th July 2017, 14:27

flat tyre.

Hmm, had 2 of those last night, delicious.. but at $8 for 22 ounces it seems a bit steep.

I'm headed to des moines in a few hours with an overnight in chicago on the way... I expect beer will be cheaper there.

As for my credibility on statements about myself... well, who would you find more credible? haha, I have 6,000+ posts on PA that anyone can search and "catch me" (supporting bill, or blue avians, or talking a bout my love for US foreign policy or any other thing you may choose to attribute to me), plenty of "proof" in that pudding.

The balls in your court sid, channel that anger, use the dark side, go forth and find the evidence of my... what ever it is your accusing me of!

*/cue dramatic music/*

:very_drunk:

donk

20th July 2017, 14:42

I wear a military uniform to work every day.. I'm very good at dissembling... don't take my camouflage too seriously...

But on another note.. I see yet don't care. Bill is a side show charlatan (maybe currently, did he used to be more?) at worst IMO, I can honestly say I've watched maybe 2 of his interviews.. and 1 was the Charles stuff that got me into alt forums in the beginning.

I wrote him off so long ago I'm a bit surprised at the vehemence expressed here.. how is bill anything but a participant in a tiny corner of the internet little influence, maybe none out side of PA? am i missing something?

I know there is definitely some past actions that need to be more clearly owned up to (all the false Prophets)... but recently?

You may (claim to) see it as some dude with a little forum in a tiny demographic, I see it as one of the biggest cults in the locale I spend my free time. The cult to bill's personality was recently overtaken by the one to CG/DW's...which sprang from Bill's

Talking about them in a vacuum is a problem to me. To me, the relationships amongst the big fish in this small pond is much more important and interesting to talk about than the minutiae cult CG/DW's beliefs and behaviors.

And beyond that, the ability these "community leaders" to get such momentum and attention from stories and ideas and patterns that require so much cognitive dissonance of seemingly intelligent and discerning people is the underlying truth beneath the breaking down of any these guys' narrative

Hmm, had 2 of those last night, delicious.. but at $8 for 22 ounces it seems a bit steep.

I'm headed to des moines in a few hours with an overnight in chicago on the way... I expect beer will be cheaper there.

As for my credibility on statements about myself... well, who would you find more credible? haha, I have 6,000+ posts on PA that anyone can search and "catch me" (supporting bill, or blue avians, or talking a bout my love for US foreign policy or any other thing you may choose to attribute to me), plenty of "proof" in that pudding.

The balls in your court sid, channel that anger, use the dark side, go forth and find the evidence of my... what ever it is your accusing me of!

*/cue dramatic music/*

:very_drunk:

Seriously?? 6000 posts may not be you directly "supporting" Bill, but it sure is enabling his platform. Implied consent that he maintains it responsibility and you feel it has credibility

Dreamtimer

20th July 2017, 14:48

TargeT

20th July 2017, 14:56

You may (claim to) see it as some dude with a little forum in a tiny demographic, I see it as one of the biggest cults in the locale I spend my free time. The cult to bill's personality was recently overtaken by the one to CG/DW's...which sprang from Bill's
Talking about them in a vacuum is a problem to me. To me, the relationships amongst the big fish in this small pond is much more important and interesting to talk about than the minutiae cult CG/DW's beliefs and behaviors.

If CG/DW aren't the big fish.. you think Bill is?

I guess I view this from an economic standpoint.. the activity behind CG is organized and has massive reach, bill does not. but bill is the big fish? I guess I don't understand that part.

And beyond that, the ability these "community leaders" to get such momentum and attention from stories and ideas and patterns that require so much cognitive dissonance of seemingly intelligent and discerning people is the underlying truth beneath the breaking down of any these guys' narrative

I thought that inherently protected people from this type of material (the obvious... lacks) I also think that CG/DW have found a way to break free of that with the cult like approach and mixing of spirituality/UFO/Alt (which should not be mixed IMO).

again, how is anything bill is doing currently comparable to that? have you seen the amount of content being created around this minutiae cult? it's getting pretty big.. but I may be looking at far different markers than you are.

Seriously?? 6000 posts may not be you directly "supporting" Bill, but it sure is enabling his platform. Implied consent that he maintains it responsibility and you feel it has credibility

6,462 posts

I type over 100wpm and participate on various forums, I'm a very prolific writer in the non-official/non-monetary sense. I see none of the things you attribute to my participation on PA.. Its a platform I use, and by my use I enrich it (I donate words, not money.. I feel it's a fair exchange).

Seems like your reading a bit into this.. I participate in around 8 online forums..... but your not interested in welding, car modification, electrical engineering, physics, botany nor horsemanship enough that you know me from those areas, right; do they fit into your "if you place content somewhere, you consent to everything I attribute to the platform" model?

I put content up on Youtube, but will tell anyone that asks that Google is evil and should be avoided if possible.

Which world do you live in, the real one or the ideal one?

I think the people who have been personally used, physically and/or financially will differ with the idea of sideshow charlatan. There are a lot of them, which you wouldn't know TargeT since you weren't paying attention.

When the flow keeps coming, and we're not talking about people making money or seeking fame, it's worth examining.

I guess I'm living in "the now" corey is currently doing this, I don't think bill is currently doing this, nor do I think he ever did it to 100,000's of people (GiaTV has what, 300,000ish paying subscribers?)

I'd rather spend my time on prevention than vengeance or retribution.

Aianawa

20th July 2017, 18:09

Hi dear TargetT, did you type that correctly, Corey is living in the now.

TargeT

20th July 2017, 18:12

Hi dear TargetT, did you type that correctly, Corey is living in the now.
"corey is currently doing this" meaning actively taking peoples money and seeking fame, actively on a large scale missleading people with a significant amount of resources behind him.

That was a poorly worded sentence, I meant nothing positive towards corey by that, but simply to say that he (corey) seems to be more of a good focus due to his current situation and on going manipulation.

Aianawa

20th July 2017, 18:17

Cheers for the clarity, people could have easily labelled you pro Corey blue avian, feel that may have been a nightmarish journey for you lol.

Lord Sidious

20th July 2017, 18:18

I think the people who have been personally used, physically and/or financially will differ with the idea of sideshow charlatan. There are a lot of them, which you wouldn't know TargeT since you weren't paying attention.

When the flow keeps coming, and we're not talking about people making money or seeking fame, it's worth examining.

Exactly.
Easy to comment, but knowing what is going on is another thing.

If CG/DW aren't the big fish.. you think Bill is?

I guess I view this from an economic standpoint.. the activity behind CG is organized and has massive reach, bill does not. but bill is the big fish? I guess I don't understand that part.

I thought that inherently protected people from this type of material (the obvious... lacks) I also think that CG/DW have found a way to break free of that with the cult like approach and mixing of spirituality/UFO/Alt (which should not be mixed IMO).

again, how is anything bill is doing currently comparable to that? have you seen the amount of content being created around this minutiae cult? it's getting pretty big.. but I may be looking at far different markers than you are.

6,462 posts

I type over 100wpm and participate on various forums, I'm a very prolific writer in the non-official/non-monetary sense. I see none of the things you attribute to my participation on PA.. Its a platform I use, and by my use I enrich it (I donate words, not money.. I feel it's a fair exchange).

Seems like your reading a bit into this.. I participate in around 8 online forums..... but your not interested in welding, car modification, electrical engineering, physics, botany nor horsemanship enough that you know me from those areas, right; do they fit into your "if you place content somewhere, you consent to everything I attribute to the platform" model?

I put content up on Youtube, but will tell anyone that asks that Google is evil and should be avoided if possible.

Which world do you live in, the real one or the ideal one?

I guess I'm living in "the now" corey is currently doing this, I don't think bill is currently doing this, nor do I think he ever did it to 100,000's of people (GiaTV has what, 300,000ish paying subscribers?)

I'd rather spend my time on prevention than vengeance or retribution.

What a load of wank.
All I can see here is that you guess a lot and take great pride in your achievements online

Aianawa

20th July 2017, 19:00

Why is that a problem for you Lord Sid

Lord Sidious

20th July 2017, 19:22

Why is that a problem for you Lord Sid

Ego.
Look at me look at me.
Just like Sir Baconhat of Nuggetry

Aianawa

20th July 2017, 19:51

Your saying pride has no place, that TargetT is Bill Ryan, that ego is TargetT memo, asking just to make sure

donk

20th July 2017, 20:37

Aianawa

20th July 2017, 20:43

Mmmm Corey very much matters, because if he builds, should say, he has built a big following, if it crashed, he would take some well known alt community people with him, also i believe there be ssp and lots of ugly human involvement and this may then be overlooked when more truth emerges.

Dumpster Diver

20th July 2017, 23:14

Well, as T does some cool work with horses, I'm down with giving him as many passes as he needs or wants.

...that said, missing the psyop that Bill is working, with T's military background, simply means to me that T's background in uniform didn't include much work, serious or otherwise, with the operational intel side, especially counter intelligence. But no matter. I sorta see his side and the fact that he can maintain a presence here and at the Koolaid Stand is good as we need ambassadors. I'm just not one of them.

As much as I dislike the blue chickens (and BR's psyop/honeypot entrapment schemes and the trauma that produces) I'm getting pretty sure that the ramifications of the Blue Chicken Saga is turning out to be true: something is attenuating the increased sun's energy "normally" focused the Earth's way. And it is very possible that CG's blue orbs could the masking entities.

So, get ready for the possibility that CG is right on that instance, at least, bitter pill it might be to swallow.

...and it fits that Bill's "handlers" want to mitigate our knowledge of that as long as possible.

...weird sh!t

TargeT

21st July 2017, 00:01

Looks to me like he's calling bullish!t on TargeT's deflection:

Corey wouldn't be "important" or "big" or whatever if not for BR...is the point I was trying to make. He countered with corey is bigger now and he doesn't even matter. Classic nuggetry

Where am I deflecting?

I'm simply saying it was easier for me to focus on corey, and I have no motivation to focus on Bill (since I don't know all these super secret details that are clouding this thread). And I think that currently corey is poised to do more damage (and I'm watching it happen in the small corner of the internet I frequent).

I've agreed that he's (BR) got a lot to own up to and even stated that I feel he has brought forward zero credible "witnesses" also that I don't even consume his material (interviews mostly?).

I've expressed interest in editing a video to those ends.

I'll be your bad guy if you want, I just don't see it as a fit.

I've never been interested in UFO's, thus I've never followed bill's material (which I think is mostly UFO stuff) I just happen to post a lot on his forum.... why the tar and feathers?

T's background in uniform didn't include much work, serious or otherwise, with the operational intel side, especially counter intelligence.

I've worked signal/IT the entire time, I worked IT for an intelligence brigade, but never was an analyst nor worked HUMINT or did anything but support those guys. I would never claim to do something I haven't and am pretty strongly affronted at Corey's brush with stolen valor (there's some motivation) and his bullshit claims, both for the military and in the IT sphere (working security? That's my specialty...).

Dumpster Diver

21st July 2017, 00:55

Where am I deflecting?

I'm simply saying it was easier for me to focus on corey, and I have no motivation to focus on Bill (since I don't know all these super secret details that are clouding this thread). And I think that currently corey is poised to do more damage (and I'm watching it happen in the small corner of the internet I frequent).

I've agreed that he's (BR) got a lot to own up to and even stated that I feel he has brought forward zero credible "witnesses" also that I don't even consume his material (interviews mostly?).

I've expressed interest in editing a video to those ends.

I'll be your bad guy if you want, I just don't see it as a fit.

I've never been interested in UFO's, thus I've never followed bill's material (which I think is mostly UFO stuff) I just happen to post a lot on his forum.... why the tar and feathers?

I've worked signal/IT the entire time, I worked IT for an intelligence brigade, but never was an analyst nor worked HUMINT or did anything but support those guys. I would never claim to do something I haven't and am pretty strongly affronted at Corey's brush with stolen valor (there's some motivation) and his bullshit claims, both for the military and in the IT sphere (working security? That's my specialty...).

Again, given this, I can't see where folks here can't give T a break. I certainly can't see him as a bad guy, if anything Maybe a victim with only slight koolaid stains about the mouth. :eyebrows:

Ok, signals/IT guy. Got it. That's the clean side of life. If Corey really did 3 x "20s and back" who knows what sort of nasties he got into...and resulting the trauma. If you have ever worked with (or lived with as I have) PTSD folks you've got to give he/them some breaks. They are just not normal.

...who knows, maybe the blue chickens hit him with a reverse neuralizer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuralyzer

...and it "unscrambled" his brain and he can "see" things now.

"Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." ~ The White Queen as written by Lewis Carroll in "Through the Looking Glass"

Dreamtimer

21st July 2017, 01:56

Dumpster Diver

21st July 2017, 01:59

I don't think anyone said TargeT is a bad guy. He said people looked ridiculous and should get over obsessions. Some others took issue. It's not a very good characterization and it wasn't based on any actual knowledge.

People can learn, but it does take time.

Dreamy, on the other hand, based on the photo I got of her in East Baltimore a few days ago is a BAD PERSON. :onthequite:

modwiz

21st July 2017, 02:36

I really want to stay out of this thread but, must comment at this point. I have spoken with TargeT many times and not just in videos. To insinuate anything about him is too much. Not only is do I observe a stable personality with Target, his "language" in conversation is as humanly clean as one could ask for.

Now we do have some posters who, in their own posted words, have spoken of bi-polarity as part of their existence. Of course we are compassionate but, do we forget what has been told to us from the ones we show the compassion to? With that said, it would be wise to conceptualize posts being written by these people from different aspects of this psychological mobility.

Hammering on a dysfunctional topic will yield typical fruit. Which is why my participation has been scant in this thread. All the main characters have their smells about them but, there are different olfactory perceptions.

sandy

21st July 2017, 06:56

I too have worked to stay nuetral but have to say my piece with taking after TargeT............ This is a NO_NO IMO.

I belong to Avalon as well since its inception pretty well and stay a member in order to glean information, insight and discernment when info hits the alternative scene ............many opinions on diverse topics is fruitful in gaining dots to formulate one's own perception and opinion on different states and matters overall.

The dots I have collected regarding bill includes he speaks with a forked tongue and does not practice what he preaches and this has not changed since the Charles incicent many years ago. He wrrote me off in a personal email requesting my credentials as to my labelling Charles as bi-polar and or sociopath after finding out I had no PHD tags. I was asked to leave the forum in a private message with him accusing me of colluding with Fred when those dynamics went down. My response included the above observations about his behaviors and the resulting damage to forum members due to this type of leadership. I gave bill ideas on how to own his own s**t, etc. and talked about walking his talk both personally and forum wise in my email...................I ENDED MY RESPONSE EMAIL WITH INFORMING HIM IF HE WANTED ME OFF OF HIS FORUM THEN HE WOULD HAVE TO BAN ME AS I HAD NO PLANS OF GOING ANYWHERE!!

The response to my email came from Christine with a psuedo type apology for "their" (the original email was from bill only) accusation and rational explaining everyone makes mistakes, blah, blah, blah. This confirmed the fact of the lack of Balls on the personage of the forum owner to reply himself and address my feedback. These patterns continue to this day!! Today I can say "so what...get over it....he is human.... has lessons to learn like anyone else", etc.

However it did take me some time to get over my resentment, grudge and disappointment of deceit that bill did not live up to standards I set for portraying a leadership role in the community. It doesn't matter to me what community, as a lack of integrity in anyone leading the way is unscrupulous to say the least. I had to look at my part in this scenario and the power I gave him and his words and when I realized I had placed him in a position of authority I could take responsibility for my own folly and get passed pointing fingers at bill for my beliefs, versus myself owning up to them.

Why would I continue to hang onto a grudge or feel I had to let others be made aware of his weaknesses......I gave this up pretty early as I value my sovereignty and this was giving him power to color the positive things that Avalon has to offer.

Donk, Lord Sidious, and sometimes Fred and Aragorn.....often your words depict a grudge that has not been processed thoroughly IMO and thus the sniping and snarky remarks at TargeT and others who can display a balance in the dynamics of the forum, it's owner and now the additional Corey crap.

Donk>>>so bill has a pattern that is self embossing, no matter the person or info...lacks personal integrity, ...does not walk his talk or own his s**t and gets adulation in the long run...isn't that a burner and comical at the same time...I can't wake up anyone else but myself and thus my advice to you is step back and stop being the enabler to save those who can't see this.....seeing as you seem to be irritated by enablers!! LOL

Lord Sidiuos you Nugget........make room for others and their expertise, pull in your sword or aim it toward the message if you must, and tame your nuggetry remarks or I'm going to have to go GRANNY on you. LOL You do get away with some pretty snarky remarks that are not cool but cruel; IMO; but then who gives a hoot about what an old senior citizen thinks :-).

Fred and Aragorn>>>if bill is cia and or an asset of some secret society, then so be it.......keep researching but detach from the personage of your target you are reaching for as your personal bias colors your efforts.

TargeT......stay grounded and rational as these are the traits I have admired about you for years, not to mention your personal integrity and authenticity.....People may be pointing fingers right now and want you to become divided and state where your loyalty lies. The sad thing about that is they can't comprehend that it lies within your self. Who you stay true to, is YOU and I follow your posts as a result of trusting I know you, without meeting you in person, as you have been the same for many years now......no matter what forum I meet you on!! Good Stuff My MAN!!

I do chuckle at the drama tho' GUYS as it is us women who have been accused of this for years but it seems that Men are the best at keeping it going for years now!!!:hilarious:

Okay let target practice being :hiding:

heyokah

21st July 2017, 09:00

****

Says one GRANNY to an other - "Thank you Sandy for your great post. Just pushing the Thank button wasn't enough for me.":)

And then this to end with..... LOL
I do chuckle at the drama tho' GUYS as it is us women who have been accused of this for years but it seems that Men are the best at keeping it going for years now!!! :hilarious:

Aianawa

21st July 2017, 09:38

I refuse to take that or give it back if I did indeed take it without knowing, off to the annoyed thread just in case though.

Dreamtimer

21st July 2017, 12:12

Oh Sandy, thanks for that post. It's one of the best in the thread. I'm stoked to hear you stood up to him and dared him to ban you. I'm glad you've maintained your ground and stayed where you wish to be.

TargeT, I think you have great input and I like the fact that you're willing to say it like it is and say when you don't know stuff. We all still have a lot to learn, which is why we're here, eh?

Bill won't be changing. I don't know how old he is, but I have to wonder what will happen to the forum when he's no longer with us. It will certainly change.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Maybe we'll all be posting telepathically.:shapeshift:

Aianawa

21st July 2017, 12:19

Or are we already

donk

21st July 2017, 12:44

Donk>>>so bill has a pattern that is self embossing, no matter the person or info...lacks personal integrity, ...does not walk his talk or own his s**t and gets adulation in the long run...isn't that a burner and comical at the same time...I can't wake up anyone else but myself and thus my advice to you is step back and stop being the enabler to save those who can't see this.....seeing as you seem to be irritated by enablers!! LOL

Thanks, I'll have to think about that..."enabler to save those that can't see this?" I like to think I'm not out here trying to "save" anybody anymore but I do get irratated at enabling so gotta watch for it in myself

The way I see it, is once you go through what you yourself described, ya gotta sh!t or get off the pot...again, like you described you did, with results way more positive than I ever got when I did the same thing back in the day. So my resentment may have greater...particularly when I learned that Christine was Bill's wife, I found it so insulting to our intelligences and such a cognitive dissonance to hide a marriage like that on a truth site.

Like hiding Corey's name, it made me feel embarrassed to be a part of it. So I tried really hard to walk my walk and be the change I wanted to see, and when all those phonies...them damn enablers...basically said "nope, you're the problem", I threw all my resentment on the pages there until they had to kick me off

So I wouldn't call what I'm doing these days "holding a grudge", maybe it is but I feel personally feel pretty over it...I do like being a counter balance to what I see is bullsh!t. And sure, it's not as "big" as corey has gotten...but it's my peeps. I think a majority of those that are drawn to PA (or Bill) are bright and well intended, and some..like me when I first came around...trusting and hungry for info that "resonated"

I probably couldn't hear anything like what I'm doing when I was in my honeymoon all gaga over that place and Bill's character's brilliance and charm, but I was glad to have the folks out there that shared their experience that was out on nexus and the like when i started questioning. I like to think my sharing helps those that start seeing the red flags, but I have no delusions I'm saving the world or anything. I like to do it, it's therapeutic and educational for me, hopefully someone else gets something out of it (like I get from your post sandy)

If strong feelings come in it is in the disappointment and irrational of the sam's and target's and mike's and runningdeer's that experience a lot of the same stuff I did and still come out of it as apologists. I mean you yourself at least tried and failing that felt stepping back was right way to go....lots of folks are like that I'm sure.

Some of the more visible though just straight deny or excuse and have to project it outward. I am the same way, I project my reality of the situation, which happens to be counter to the narrative bill and followers are creating for others...hopefully in a counterbalance. We shall see, appreciate your feedback, hopefully it will help temper my communication to seem less immature than you are seeing it

Fred Steeves

21st July 2017, 14:44

Being raised in the South I was taught to respect my elders, especially those of the feminine persuasion. If despite my best recent efforts to refer to BR only in the non personal (as in just a micro of the macro cancer I see in this community) is still boiling down to unhandled baggage, bias, and Target practice, then it's time to move on as is often strongly encouraged concerning this taboo subject. From now on, I keep what I see to myself.

To any future person beginning to become dimly aware of a certain unease in the air, and wondering if they're just a little bonkers because no one else out there seems to be talking about it or seeing it, all I can say to you is reference to a vintage quote from Billy Joel: "Go on and cry in your coffee, but don't come bitchin to me".

Hell, maybe just maybe it's for the best anyway. It may compel them to do what is almost in the realms of the unthinkable any more these days: Start digging into the past like I had to do, and see if there is any kind of historical precedent...

Cheers :chrs:

Aragorn

21st July 2017, 16:24

[...]

Donk, Lord Sidious, and sometimes Fred and Aragorn.....often your words depict a grudge that has not been processed thoroughly IMO and thus the sniping and snarky remarks at TargeT and others who can display a balance in the dynamics of the forum, it's owner and now the additional Corey crap.

I don't hold any grudges against Bill Ryan, but I'm not going to hide the fact that I don't particularly like the man either. And when I call him an obsessive-compulsive narcissist and a Machiavellian sociopath, then that's not gratuitous name-calling, nor any unprocessed grudge, but rather an accurate description of the man's psychological makeup, based upon my experience with, research about and education in the field.

In addition to the above, when I told Sam that he was being an apologist, that too was not any name-calling, nor any grudge. Sam is a friend of mine, and I was merely confronting him with the very truth he keeps running away from. And it was not the first time I have had to do this either, although the previous time I did actually manage to get through to him and wake him up, albeit that it took me quite some time and a lot of effort to get him there.

Now, I can't speak for Fred, but I don't think Fred holds any personal grudges against El Sombrero™ either. I see Fred's contributions in the research regarding Bill Ryan as very interesting, serene and factual.

Oh, and I most definitely don't have anything against TargeT either. On the contrary, I like and respect him for what he does. And maybe you've missed it, Sandy, but I'm the guy who has already repeatedly asked the participants of this thread to refrain from going ad hominem with one another.

:flag:

Fred and Aragorn>>>if bill is cia and or an asset of some secret society, then so be it.......keep researching but detach from the personage of your target you are reaching for as your personal bias colors your efforts.

There's no personal bias here, Sandy. I report verifiable facts only. And I think that this is no different whereas Fred is concerned.

Dumpster Diver

21st July 2017, 17:46

sandy

21st July 2017, 19:28

Hey Donk, don't get me wrong, I was furious initially and reacted. At first I had a hard time in wiping the egg off my face for being duped by bills public image.

I worked in the correction system, mainly with high security inmates for many years; as a behavior counsellor, so liked to think that I can spot a scammer very easily......NAH!! got duped and felt had for sure...didn't like it one bit. I too thought for awhile that forum members needed to be made aware that thing were not what they seemed by challenging bill from time to time to no avail.

I then decided what were my priorities..........'saving face' and leaving the forum or gathering info and staying in the game of learning all I could about the hidden in this world......that is when I stepped back because learning is of high value to me even at the expense of feeling duped. It wasn't the first time and won't be the last but in my senior years I have finally learned to stop cutting my nose off to save my face.......hahahha

Love you honesty and genuine care and concern for others Donk.....your authenticity is pretty special so please don't change that while on your journey this time around. :thup:

Thanks, I'll have to think about that..."enabler to save those that can't see this?" I like to think I'm not out here trying to "save" anybody anymore but I do get irratated at enabling so gotta watch for it in myself

The way I see it, is once you go through what you yourself described, ya gotta sh!t or get off the pot...again, like you described you did, with results way more positive than I ever got when I did the same thing back in the day. So my resentment may have greater...particularly when I learned that Christine was Bill's wife, I found it so insulting to our intelligences and such a cognitive dissonance to hide a marriage like that on a truth site.

Like hiding Corey's name, it made me feel embarrassed to be a part of it. So I tried really hard to walk my walk and be the change I wanted to see, and when all those phonies...them damn enablers...basically said "nope, you're the problem", I threw all my resentment on the pages there until they had to kick me off

So I wouldn't call what I'm doing these days "holding a grudge", maybe it is but I feel personally feel pretty over it...I do like being a counter balance to what I see is bullsh!t. And sure, it's not as "big" as corey has gotten...but it's my peeps. I think a majority of those that are drawn to PA (or Bill) are bright and well intended, and some..like me when I first came around...trusting and hungry for info that "resonated"

I probably couldn't hear anything like what I'm doing when I was in my honeymoon all gaga over that place and Bill's character's brilliance and charm, but I was glad to have the folks out there that shared their experience that was out on nexus and the like when i started questioning. I like to think my sharing helps those that start seeing the red flags, but I have no delusions I'm saving the world or anything. I like to do it, it's therapeutic and educational for me, hopefully someone else gets something out of it (like I get from your post sandy)

If strong feelings come in it is in the disappointment and irrational of the sam's and target's and mike's and runningdeer's that experience a lot of the same stuff I did and still come out of it as apologists. I mean you yourself at least tried and failing that felt stepping back was right way to go....lots of folks are like that I'm sure.

Some of the more visible though just straight deny or excuse and have to project it outward. I am the same way, I project my reality of the situation, which happens to be counter to the narrative bill and followers are creating for others...hopefully in a counterbalance. We shall see, appreciate your feedback, hopefully it will help temper my communication to seem less immature than you are seeing it

sandy

21st July 2017, 20:15

Dear Aragorn and long time Buddy Fred,

Your research is valued by me and I read everything you both post regarding the dynamics of the alternative media and community. It does not just lie with bill tho' imo, and thus there are many with sociopathic traits and agenda's out there to say the least. Can't label any of them as such but the characteristics are very visible in a number of so called leaders in this arena. We have to be vigilant versus condeming first and foremost or we can lose the discernment and often the agenda due to emotions.

Aragorn, this is the gist of my message to you and your personal assessments and writings of those you undertake to set on the path you are paving. What is a shame is that the raw experiences you have gone through with bill target his efforts and avalon each time, rather than widening the scope to include other such culprits to make your points about the behind scenes happening in this industry. When I mentioned that bias can get in the way it can happen unknowingly by mentioning where or how you gained the insight. When this targeting happens then the message after the fact, you are trying to convey gets lost in the focus of and drama of..... he said and she said dynamics versus the factual info that was presented.

Fred, I have also seen that you have really got past your personal experiences re avalon. Your latter posts regarding the ill begotten s**t going on with many in this field has been 'untainted' with labelling and procrastinations about bill. I have noticed and feel remiss in not letting you know what good work you are presenting these days. My apologies for being uncouth and selfish in lapping up your posts with no validation for such!! Please do not keep things to yourself*** that you see going on as you collect the dots in your research. Your work is of the utmost quality and integrity and thus so important to those of us who want to know all the evil doings behind the scenes that you have discovered. We need you!!

Thanks for all the feedback everyone, hope I have responded in ways that continue to bring us together as a community here at TOT.

My apologies for derailing>>>>>>>>now>>>:back to topic:

modwiz

21st July 2017, 21:04

enjoy being

21st July 2017, 21:20

The last few pages of this thread are another example of the thing I describe in relation to what happened during the charles fiasco, it is not peculiar to alt forums by any means, it is an example of how things can start to deteriorate into clash.

I just deleted from a local forum I had been a member of for 12 years because of the same sort of dynamic which is exponentially out of control. It had become an uncontrollable cess pit of uncheck personal crusading on a childish level where none where even aware of their infantile actions, in fact many had formed alliances based purely on not seeing their group hysteria and instead endorsing it as they set about targetting individuals who stand out or dare to point out the dynamic they all are stuck in.
It had been well overdue for me to leave, there was no inspiration for me, it was about the input I might make and be silently heard by a few who I'd never know of. The final straw was a matter of principal I guess, where the administration team, after a few weeks or more from mentioning a new tool they were considering, finally implemented it. People could already block others from entering their threads, but now a block has the option to make those people completely invisible, an ignore or mute function. The sad thing or especially sad thing is the main perpetrators of the chaos have not been fixed, they are in fact dancing on the tables and just using the whole thing as some kind of signal that they are in the right. The main trigger for this happening being by way of one other targetted individual who is an attention seeker, and indeed can be slightly irritating in it always being about them. But such are the others that they cant help themselves from fanning fires or starting new ones. They love it and if there is noone to pick on they time an time again will either set on each other or search for any oddities in others as new whipping posts.
I had enough and found the action of stealing away peoples lessons in gaining the ability of self control a final straw.
Funny to notice that their recent ramping up of the toxicity of personal attacks and hysteria, coincided with the slightly raised temperature witnessed in here, almost like some natural rythm. One which I have noticed to happen in the past.
It also ties into the idea of wanting to have the last word, and illcommunication creating something out of nothing. People placing different definitions to others intentions, chosing what they think is meant, either accidently or seemingly on purpose to "get off" on the drama, then pointing at others as being drama lamas.
It is a dynamic with a very definite signature. It often has a sense of possession of people, or like a fart in a room full of school kids, the desire to react is infectuous, an emotional ouroboros. Showing how the concept of divide and conquer is still an installed and constantly updated virus that even in an environment where people are supposed to be more aware, is present.

Dumpster Diver

21st July 2017, 22:20

The impact on the alt-community from behind the scenes manipulation of it is where focus would be better placed IMO. CG is little more than a front for a world-wide "unification" effort. That is, capturing the minds of as many as possible. I do not believe many of the people we see making videos are aware of it.....yet. The counseling program for traumatized people reeks of religious training. I see Mr Spaceman coming with a message "for all" to bring unity, one world gooberment and religion, to make the world a 'better place'. Free energy? We can have that after we are 'unified' and 'ascended' enough to responsibly handle unlimited energy that could be used for good or ill. There will be disappointment to be sure and the counseling will help people 'understand' why they have to wait for free energy while they are counseled into understanding the 'unifying' message. Anyone who rejects this message will be a heretic and worthy of being called a hater.

I "see" the pope and other religious leaders accepting this new Revelation and bestowing their blessings upon it. The pope has a hand in this behind the scenes but knows his hand must go unseen, lest suspicions arise. Better to let the ET crowd, the disclosure crowd, do the roll-out on this one.

With regards to BR and CG. Which of these two represents the greater thread to the alt-community and the world at large? Drop the personalities and the past. Drop concept of motives. Let's instead look at the effects, the disturbances, into the community and world. Who is actually dangerous?

Firstly, as you know, DW has my top scores in terms of verifiable "correctness" (Dolan calls this falsifiability, i.e. something that can be proven correct or incorrect). Again, this is due to the Wisdom Teachings on Gaia TV and his books. However, my best sources are negative as the negativity shows through because the negative message must be conveyed, probably on orders by folks in control. This part is then inverted by me, and the rest of the "sandwich wrappers" is the truth that needs to wrap the false statements in order to sell it.

So far, I've not been able to ID the negative part, if it exists, in DW's message. And frankly, he and now CG are tending to show more positive "movement."

...and now with the all fronts assault on CG/DW, I'm now tending to think they are really being considered by the Deep State to be harmful to the Deep State message(s).

I know I'm one of the few guys here at TOT who view DW as positive. But there you have it.

So, to answer your question: right now I see BR as being very dangerous. DW is tending to be on a "truer" path. And CG, while positive, needs more verifiable data to show his value. As he agrees with DW, DW lends his verifiability to CG. BR, BTW is running at about a 50% verifiability; an almost "perfect" non-information source. I'm tending to think this is not by chance.

Paloma

21st July 2017, 22:58

Firstly, as you know, DW has my top scores in terms of verifiable "correctness" (Dolan calls this falsifiability, i.e. something that can be proven correct or incorrect). Again, this is due to the Wisdom Teachings on Gaia TV and his books. However, my best sources are negative as the negativity shows through because the negative message must be conveyed, probably on orders by folks in control. This part is then inverted by me, and the rest of the "sandwich wrappers" is the truth that needs to wrap the false statements in order to sell it.

So far, I've not been able to ID the negative part, if it exists, in DW's message. And frankly, he and now CG are tending to show more positive "movement."

...and now with the all fronts assault on CG/DW, I'm now tending to think they are really being considered by the Deep State to be harmful to the Deep State message(s).

I know I'm one of the few guys here at TOT who view DW as positive. But there you have it.

So, to answer your question: right now I see BR as being very dangerous. DW is tending to be on a "truer" path. And CG, while positive, needs more verifiable data to show his value. As he agrees with DW, DW lends his verifiability to CG. BR, BTW is running at about a 50% verifiability; an almost "perfect" non-information source. I'm tending to think this is not by chance.
The great myth makers who create reality (at least until now) work both ends of the battery, the positive and the negative.
It doesn't mean that one side or the other wins, or is better, but that the outcome is the result of the dynamic between the two. DW will be forgotten, BR will be forgotten, the hidden players will never be known, and the emerging reality will surprise everyone for a brief moment, before everyone settles into the new system.
Then a new set of lessons, designed to meet the learning capacity of that generation.

Outlander

22nd July 2017, 00:20

So, to answer your question: right now I see BR as being very dangerous. DW is tending to be on a "truer" path. And CG, while positive, needs more verifiable data to show his value. As he agrees with DW, DW lends his verifiability to CG. BR, BTW is running at about a 50% verifiability; an almost "perfect" non-information source. I'm tending to think this is not by chance.
DW, CG and BR I could give a place but who the hell is BTW?

enjoy being

22nd July 2017, 00:38

BTW is internet acronym for - by the way. :-)

Chuck

22nd July 2017, 00:48

Playing catch up...

Good to see old friends here.

Yes Fred, reminds me of the early days of Nexus when many dared to peel away the curtain. I loved the Easter Bunny and Mrs Doubtfire... suspending disbelief is fun ... when I know I'm doing it. Seeing it happen to me unknowingly more times than I care to admit gets annoying, lol. Thanks for the background on Jack, Kerry and David, Lord Sid.

Aragorn, I think it may have been Clif High who coined the phrase "Blue Chickens".

Thanks donk for many inside stories including Christine's reaction to Bill's latest. Yet I can't help myself to chuckle reading that she doesn't want to harm him yet writes, "He has murderous thoughts and desires and when in that state of being he is dangerous, this he consciously knows to be true because he asked me on many occasions to deal with the people he despised because he couldn't trust his reactions." hahahaha revealing pillow talk is not hurtful at all! ...feathers of the same blue chicken.

Nothing, can I borrow this? "It's been lonely in the saddle since the horse died". hilarious

Luv ya Gramma sandy

DNA

22nd July 2017, 01:07

Great thread...I continue to learn a lot from you guys.

I'm sorry that it comes from received wounds to you, but as a non-participant in the past "Avalon Wars" information presented in this threat has helped me a lot.

As far as the wider CG/BR conflict is concerned, I think it will come to define the entire alt-world "arena." I also feel there are more shoes "left to drop."

I find myself at times, perplexed at how much activity on this forum is generated due to the perceived politics on other forums.
Just for the record, I personally do not have a problem with Bill Ryan.
I think he has done far more good in the world than bad, and generally speaking, when weighing pros and cons the world is a far better place with him than with out him.
This forum is an acorn that fell off of his tree and would not exist without him.
Drink that in for a moment before engaging in further vitriol.
Nothing against you double d, this is more a general comment in terms of this thread.

I will repeat a standard verse I've come to know myself to repeat.
We are all human.
We are all frail egos.
We are all capable of wrongs and it is of the utmost importance that we forgive one another petty transgressions and attempt to move on from them.

Dumpster Diver

22nd July 2017, 01:28

I find myself at times, perplexed at how much activity on this forum is generated due to the perceived politics on other forums.
Just for the record, I personally do not have a problem with Bill Ryan.
I think he has done far more good in the world than bad, and generally speaking, when weighing pros and cons the world is a far better place with him than with out him.
This forum is an acorn that fell off of his tree and would not exist without him.
Drink that in for a moment before engaging in further vitriol.
Nothing against you double d, this is more a general comment in terms of this thread.

I will repeat a standard verse I've come to know myself to repeat.
We are all human.
We are all frail egos.
We are all capable of wrongs and it is of the utmost importance that we forgive one another petty transgressions and attempt to move on from them.

I've no problem at all. I keep trying to get folks to understand that EVERYONE in this arena is an information source. DO NOT quit listening to anybody just because you a) dislike them b) caught them in an untruth c) don't like the way they talk about their junk or whatever. Nobody is 100% right all the time. No matter what the Christians say, Christ made a few boo-boos as well.

And further, I've found the negative guys are actually better info sources than the positive guys because they KNOW what the negative issue is they are pushing. Think about that. They have been told what to push. Then you invert that and you can really move along.

DNA

22nd July 2017, 01:35

Fred Steeves

22nd July 2017, 01:48

Playing catch up...

Good to see old friends here.

Yes Fred, reminds me of the early days of Nexus when many dared to peel away the curtain.

Well son of a gun Chuck, I've been wondering if that was you. Nice to see you around again, those were the days my friend!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C81d28TY1E

PurpleLama

22nd July 2017, 01:54

I see the Calvary has arrived.

Aragorn

22nd July 2017, 02:12

I see the Calvary has arrived.

Did you really mean to write "Calvary", or was that meant to imply "cavalry"? :D

Chuck

22nd July 2017, 02:18

I've no problem at all. I keep trying to get folks to understand that EVERYONE in this arena is an information source. DO NOT quit listening to anybody just because you a) dislike them b) caught them in an untruth c) don't like the way they talk about their junk or whatever. Nobody is 100% right all the time. No matter what the Christians say, Christ made a few boo-boos as well.

And further, I've found the negative guys are actually better info sources than the positive guys because they KNOW what the negative issue is they are pushing. Think about that. They have been told what to push. Then you invert that and you can really move along.

I like that Dumpster Diver. I think the Gnostics would agree. They would argue that yes we have the spark of the divine within humanity, but humanity must first learn to be humans by knowing good and evil... "by eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil". That is how Gnosis is attained.

I have been an Enabler most of my life, I have been a Love and Light/Whales in Space guy... mostly because I wanted people to like me because I didn't like myself. I learned the most when I embraced the dark within me.

Yeah Fred, feeling thirsty right now! To life! clink, glug glug glug

Chuck

22nd July 2017, 02:23

I see the Calvary has arrived.

I have a strange urge to crucify myself ...

sorry PurpleLama... couldn't resist

PurpleLama

22nd July 2017, 15:14

Autocorrect is a birch, what can I say?

Dumpster Diver

22nd July 2017, 17:01

Autocorrect is a birch, what can I say?

happens on image searches as well:

https://theflunkedadjunct.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/dolly-llama.jpg

Dreamtimer

2nd August 2017, 12:54

I found someone (https://hubpages.com/politics/Corey-Goode-The-Cosmic-Exposure-Show-His-Disinformation-Cult) who was originally a fan of CG and the Blues and has become disillusioned.

Here's a quote and I can say I recall when Corey advised all of these things:

Corey Goode has made many warnings about the message he has received from the Higher Dimensional Beings, he calls the Blue Avians. The basic premise of these messages is essentially that humanity should do the next right thing, treat each other with respect, unconditional love and be in Service To Others. Of course this message isn't anything new as many groups preach these principles, such as Alcoholics Anonymous and most religions and spiritual groups.

However one of his warnings, through the Blue Avians, was that this message should not be used to create any new religion or cult .

That the information shared by the Blue Avians shouldn't be used for profit, fame or sold to the public.

That all information should be viewed using your own discernment and critical thinking.

And that we should not attack others for having different opinions or presenting new and different information.

All four of these warnings, Corey has chosen to ignore and disregard, evidently these warnings are for others but do not apply to himself. The old saying "Don't do as do, do as I say", seems too apply.

Dreamtimer

2nd August 2017, 13:20

The writer linked to above speaks of disinformation and compares Corey to another whistleblower named Elena Kapulnik. I'm not familiar with her but I find this commentary very interesting and perhaps revealing,

The writer says,

The article Corey Goode Update | Beware of False Whistleblowers -- Analysis and Commentary by Stillness In The Storm (SITS) editor Justin Deschamps posted on September 14, 2016, is a clear case of how disinformation works.

A thorough analysis follows.

Justin uses a "what if" scenario to support his claims that Elena Kapulnik is a disinformation agent. My contention is why bother creating this "what if" scenario and supposition, when all he had to do was contact her and interview her, himself? This would defy logic if he were really interested in the truth but if he were a disinformationist himself, it would make perfect sense. After all he did say and I quote "She reached out to me and was interested in telling me her story."

Conclusion:

Perhaps the most commonly used Disinformation Tactic is to divide and conquer public opinion....This tactic comes from military strategy designed to split a large force into more than one group so that they can be isolated and destroyed.

Aragorn

2nd August 2017, 13:39

The writer linked to above speaks of disinformation and compares Corey to another whistleblower named Elena Kapulnik. I'm not familiar with her [...]

I looked her up on YouTube, because I was actually thinking of someone else when I read that name, and I wanted to see if it was her, but it isn't. Apparently Elena has her own channel on YouTube. Here is a list of videos of/about her (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=elena+kapulnik). ;)

Dreamtimer

2nd August 2017, 15:16

Dumpster Diver

2nd August 2017, 18:53

It seems Corey has served as a catalyst of sorts. After Somethingblue, the writer cited above, wrote about CG and the Blues several other SSP whistleblowers contacted him and he has written a summary overview (https://hubpages.com/education/Secret-Space-Program-Insiders-Are-The-Catalyst-For-Full-Disclosure). More are to follow it seems.

Mark McCandlish is featured on two of DW & CG's Disclosure sessions. In those series, McCandlish was not cited as a SSP "experiencer" but someone who has worked with the technologies mostly through artwork. From my experience, he uses terms and has in-depth knowledge quite outside of even those who have worked deeply in such areas.

donk

19th August 2017, 15:16

Things are certainly getting sillier and sillier around here...refresh my memory, please. Is "keeptrying" the one who prompted (triggered :blsh:) Bill to start the thread this thread's about?

https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11346-A-Warning-from-an-Alleged-Former-High-ranking-NATO-Military-Official?p=841977409&viewfull=1#post841977409

West Berlin, sure. Strange that he didn't name it as such.

Strange indeed

If she's not, I apologize...watching what is happening on the "commamder z" is frightening, I can't believe it is not joke, but they are keeping such a straight face (and as usual is being enabled by dumpster fire...I mean diver)

It's sort of embarrassing, but oh well, at least we are not the "library of Alexandria"...the "stage of record" for sanity in the little forum ufology community like these guys:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1173896&viewfull=1#post1173896

Mod note from Bill:

Folks, this is NOT a censure of any kind to anyone, but I've just removed several recent posts. They're off-topic and diverting/distracting (even if unintentionally) on this thread, which is being publicly viewed for valuable information by thousands of people on the net.

Never forget: we're on stage here. This is not just a private coffee lounge.

(If anyone wants their deleted posts sent to them for reference by PM, please just let us know.)

There's some very serious discussion here. Walter Bosley's post just above is one important example of many. (Walter, many thanks to you. Delighted to have you contributing here.)

This is very far from a trivial, entertaining topic. The issues discussed might affects everyone in the alt community in all kinds of ways. The odd joke is welcome, of course. But please, not diverting streams of them.

I know you know what I mean. We want the important information ('signals' vs 'noise') to remain easily visible to everyone. As I often remind us all, the forum is a Reference Library... it's not Facebook or Twitter.

It got real silly over there last week, apparently :frantic:

Dumpster Diver

19th August 2017, 15:47

Things are certainly getting sillier and sillier around here...refresh my memory, please. Is "keeptrying" the one who prompted (triggered :blsh:) Bill to start the thread this thread's about?

https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11346-A-Warning-from-an-Alleged-Former-High-ranking-NATO-Military-Official?p=841977409&viewfull=1#post841977409

Strange indeed

If she's not, I apologize...watching what is happening on the "commamder z" is frightening, I can't believe it is not joke, but they are keeping such a straight face (and as usual is being enabled by dumpster fire...I mean diver)

It's sort of embarrassing, but oh well, at least we are not the "library of Alexandria"...the "stage of record" for sanity in the little forum ufology community like these guys:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1173896&viewfull=1#post1173896

It got real silly over there last week, apparently :frantic:

Donk, thanks for the flashy new name, I like it. :h5:

But smarten me up, is Bill posting here under some sort of name? Get him out of the closet for us please? Or are we talking about some other sort of "Bill"?

Yeah, I joke around, but the eclipse meditating stuff is serious.

As for Commander Z (BTW, Commanders were not very high on the NATO pecking order: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander) and as we've had several chances to nuke the planet already, tried it, and were collectively spanked and had our nuke toy's batteries taken out, we will not get another chance at it. We are not in charge.

I think Bill's action at Camp Kool-aid is fall out due to David Wilcock "outing" him in his interview with Fade to Black Radio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyIOSTeCb8w

I can't remember the time hack, but he posted a letter naming names: Darth Hatman and Dark Journalist in particular.

So now we got DW's villagers (with tar, feathers, and pitchforks) going after Bill and the Kool-aid Kult.

...you gotta love it.

Dreamtimer

19th August 2017, 17:17

Anyone notice the parallels between CG and Trump?

Thanks for pointing out that 'mod note' from Bill over there, donk. When I noticed that I thought it was so weird and so funny. Sometimes it's good to see examples of what I do not want to emulate.

Keep Trying, as far as I know, Bill is not a member over here 'under cover'. He's much more likely to have someone else do that, and not necessarily under cover even.

donk

20th August 2017, 01:18

Donk, thanks for the flashy new name, I like it. :h5:

But smarten me up, is Bill posting here under some sort of name? Get him out of the closet for us please? Or are we talking about some other sort of "Bill"?

Yeah, I joke around, but the eclipse meditating stuff is serious.

As for Commander Z (BTW, Commanders were not very high on the NATO pecking order: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander) and as we've had several chances to nuke the planet already, tried it, and were collectively spanked and had our nuke toy's batteries taken out, we will not get another chance at it. We are not in charge.

I think Bill's action at Camp Kool-aid is fall out due to David Wilcock "outing" him in his interview with Fade to Black Radio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyIOSTeCb8w

I can't remember the time hack, but he posted a letter naming names: Darth Hatman and Dark Journalist in particular.

So now we got DW's villagers (with tar, feathers, and pitchforks) going after Bill and the Kool-aid Kult.

...you gotta love it.

If it was a couple years ago I'd be certain in my mind you guys were working together to delegitimize this space

But I'm slightly less naive now and who's really gonna take the effort

Although someone DID trigger Bill to go down this path. While his main goal is to be relevant, it works hand in hand I guess

Your perspective is unique close to the point of being absurd. I guess it's kind of interesting cuz some the stuff you bring up and try to connect and worse joke about is out there to me dude, I just don't get it

DT all I could think about all day is the analogy: trump is to bannon as CG is to DW

It's some weird sh!t goin on round here

Gio

20th August 2017, 10:33

Speaking of weird sh!t going on ...
This might fit-in well here ...

OffPlanet Podcast: The Preclipse Show-A.I., Social Media, and Eclipse Effects

Randy Maugans

Published on Aug 19, 2017

The Preclipse Show with Randy Maugans & Emily Moyer

A casual, brief podcast on some current issues that includes:

~The energetic systolic attack modes; the blackhole sun eclipse, A.I.
~How researchers get taken over by the very forces they oppose, e.g. Harald Kautz-Vela
~The A.I. infection of certain media figures; the neurological aspects of social media; we are plugging into a torrent of energetic communications in a hive mid mode.
~We are interfacing with people at very rapid speeds; we have control of the vector of engagement. It is not one-to-one, but one-to-many in exponential numbers.
~The issues behind community 0n the net and social media.
~The robotic aspects of people who assume A.I.-like personas; the rate of data being pushed out to the participants; we cannot process data at machine level speeds.
~The Machine Messiah…
~How rapid data speeds outstrip discernment and judgment filters. We are processing binary code into a human interface.
~Targeting and machine learning methods that adapt to our ongoing levels of perception. Refinement of data to match end users’ tastes.
~The system wars: war on the nervous system, war on the endocrine system.
~We also discuss the August 21 American Eclipse and some tips on dealing with energies and taking care of the body and spirit.

1:08:53 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc9Q_gunfuU&feature=em-uploademail

Dumpster Diver

22nd August 2017, 01:39

If it was a couple years ago I'd be certain in my mind you guys were working together to delegitimize this space

But I'm slightly less naive now and who's really gonna take the effort

Although someone DID trigger Bill to go down this path. While his main goal is to be relevant, it works hand in hand I guess

Your perspective is unique close to the point of being absurd. I guess it's kind of interesting cuz some the stuff you bring up and try to connect and worse joke about is out there to me dude, I just don't get it

DT all I could think about all day is the analogy: trump is to bannon as CG is to DW

It's some weird sh!t goin on round here

Which "you guys"? Me and Commander Z or me & Darth Hatman?

...not that you'd believe it, I'm a free agent. Hatman is a psyop hitman...I spotted him early and he has pretty much shown his colors.

...and frankly, most of you alt-world guys are pretty humorless and dour. In other forums (mostly sports) I'd have my own yuk-it-up posse by now.

Speaking of weird sh!t going on ...
This might fit-in well here ...

OffPlanet Podcast: The Preclipse Show-A.I., Social Media, and Eclipse Effects

Randy Maugans

1:08:53 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc9Q_gunfuU&feature=em-uploademail

I like Maugans and his GF Emily. They have had several interviews I find quite interesting, even thought I don't agree with them. Their pandering to Dark Journalist was a downer, but I need to hear it.

Dreamtimer

22nd August 2017, 02:31

Dour?! She says with a scowl...;)

You don't like DJ? I listened to him with Farrell and Fitts and many others before he ever became embroiled in anything with CG and the SBA.

I like joking with you Dark Knight Dumpy, but I don't join packs usually.

I didn't meditate, but I did have a nice eclipse. I watched totality online for WY and MO and then I went outside where it was weirdly dim and looked at the pinhole viewer I made which worked quite well. I also took some pics of the sun with my cell phone and the orb artifact was eclipsed. Pretty cool. I'll post it here when I download them.

donk: I didn't take it the Bannon step. Yikes. (I totally forgot he was the crazy guy who was running Biosphere II)

Dumpster Diver

22nd August 2017, 05:05

Dreamy: no meditation, no problem. I'll blow you a kiss as the timeline split carries you off to your ET dungeon. :abduct:

I'll miss you as you almost are the only who jokes around now that Modwiz is hardly here.

My data shows DJ is working the same psyop side of the street as Darth Hatman BUT I still follow his interviews as they are informative especially as we know he's pushing a negative agenda.

Dreamtimer

22nd August 2017, 12:59

Has time become direction yet? Can we go from time point to time point? (Some of us)

I won't be in any Dungeon timelines. I would've dreamt about it. Not cheating, it happens naturally and I don't "try" to see any particular possibility.

Dumpster Diver

22nd August 2017, 14:20

Dreamy! You are still here! Either I'm in your Dungeon, or you are in my higher timeline cruise ship...unfortunately, the food on the cruise is that vegan stuff...*sigh*

Dreamtimer

22nd August 2017, 14:34

Perhaps we could grow some meat in the lab. (I still get grossed out at that idea).

Dumpster Diver

22nd August 2017, 17:18

Soy Burgers!

I'm almost totally off meat, only had some sliced turkey last week (had to ask forgiveness). Stomach veers into reflux if I get off diet even a little.

...hate it when my body is higher ascended than me.

I'm not in charge anymore.

donk

23rd August 2017, 13:35

I listened to this one yesterday, which is being pushed by Bill and YouTube commenters as the best sysnopsis of the situation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZNA_GUPiWc&feature=youtu.be

To be fair, it seems a solid description of the crap corey "disclosed" since being featured on Gaia.

It just blows my mind how people that put so much energy into this don't find it interesting HOW Corey got any spot light. Very few care WHY Bill or Wicock or PA or anyone found anything he said interesting, let alone credible, enough to give him such attention

So many people are falling over themselves to point out his lies...ha busted! But no one wants to go through any of his 4 (?) years 2000+ posts to see what made him change from just some poster on PA to super secret whistleblower

It's mind boggling. I guess if some people didn't have Corey's lies to talk about and investigate and document, they would have nothing?

Dreamtimer

23rd August 2017, 14:01

One person who said he might do an expose video on Bill Ryan was just "too busy" and isn't around here much anymore now. Maybe people feel safer going after Corey because he's really just a guy capitalizing on his stories and contacts.

Doing such an in-depth expose of BR might be opening a kind of Pandora's box. And Corey's name is everywhere but BR's isn't. Perhaps it's hard to paint a picture of a forum owner as an operator setting these people up. Although, there's plenty of evidence.

Maybe it's just easier to just point out the current problems and inconsistencies with Corey than to go back to the origins.

As a parallel, who really dug deep into Trump's past? It's not a pretty thing. People saw what they wanted and hating Hillary was enough.

donk

23rd August 2017, 14:28

I hear ya. I used to think this was an "alternative" because we liked researching "origins"

While there are a few that actually do, most people are not only happy with the surface, we're happy to let our "leaders" and "media" keep the focus on the surface while claiming the origins are uninteresting and/or unimportant

So many just eat up the "winning of arguments" or "proving of lies/truth" minutiae that spawn from a foundation of mystery or lies or smoke & mirrors (or who knows...cuz who cares to look?)

Dreamtimer

23rd August 2017, 15:19

I'm still interested in origins. More so the ancient ones. I'm very bothered by the enormous amount of misinformation and hidden or destroyed information about our past, our religions, how long we've been here, who else may be here.

It's like we're all living a collective lie.

(Another thing that keeps Corey in the spotlight is the ugly aggressive reaction he and his tribe are having to criticism. That keeps him in the limelight.)

Dumpster Diver

23rd August 2017, 16:57

My take: The Hatman started Camelot and Project Kool-aid as a honey-pots to ensnare the errant MILABs and other assorted "troublemakers" on behalf of the Deep State crowd. Cory showed up, brains scrambled, and went thru an awaking process that included doing some pretty stupid things. BR tried to control CG, didn't make it stick, lost control and made it worse. CG in a tough financial sitution looked for any port in storm, linked up with DW, convince DW he had enough "goodies" to build a show around. DW's fortified position with Gaia TV protected them until folks realized DW and CG combined were making a huge impact, and then the call went out to take them down thru the weak link in CG.

Now we are in mid-onslaught and my sense is BR is losing. Dolan has a show on Gaia TV now, so he will be reticent to cut off that funding to support BR going forward.

Elen

23rd August 2017, 17:09

I'm still interested in origins. More so the ancient ones. I'm very bothered by the enormous amount of misinformation and hidden or destroyed information about our past, our religions, how long we've been here, who else may be here.

It's like we're all living a collective lie.

I'm with you totally on this one, Dreamtimer! Can't be said often enough, actually. ;)

Jengelen

24th August 2017, 11:24

Dear Reader

24th August 2017, 13:15

donk

24th August 2017, 14:08

Pete Peterson died?

I think the "takes on it" that are most important are from the people that were there when Corey was just goodETxSG, describing how he became (and who was responsible) for making him "relevant" enough to catch wilcock's interest

With over 2000 posts spanning several years, a lot of them interesting higher profile (*cough* Bill) now-critics-but-then-notsomuch folks that seem to like to portray it as "Corey just mysteriously appeared" with this whole marketing he is either pushing for loot or mind controlled into doing

Everyone is interested in what he's done since in the spotlight, no one has compared to the well documented case of who he was before, and how and why he has changed.

Obviously I'm not really interested in him at all...it's those that use him and obsess over his story and quasi-fame

Dumpster Diver

25th August 2017, 00:40

Dark Journalist made some references to posts made by CG stating some people in the 'dark alliance' would likely have their lives in danger and could die and I find it interesting that right after he said it both Tompkins and Pete Peterson die. So what does that tell you? Seems kinda telling to me.

I think you mean Jim Marrs died and Pete Peterson's stuff got trashed? Pete is still with us, last I looked.

Almost. Not quite, but almost.

Behold here comes the dreamer, and we shall see what will become of his dreams.

Which dreamer "we" talking about?

While you are at it, since I'm "almost" what's the complete story?

Jengelen

25th August 2017, 19:58

I think you mean Jim Marrs died and Pete Peterson's stuff got trashed? Pete is still with us, last I looked.

Which dreamer "we" talking about?

While you are at it, since I'm "almost" what's the complete story?

I read a post on PA by David saying Pete fell, had an inoperable brain bruise and died at 2:30am the other night. EDIT: My bad. He did mention Pete in the post and I saw that in my scan speed reading. Took me a second to find it. Tompkins is the one that fell. Sorry.

donk

19th October 2017, 02:00

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98002-The-Corey-Goode-Factor-as-part-of-a-Larger-Reality&p=1156638&viewfull=1#post1156638

A new avalonian asks for a little clarity on the "mess", and he responds with this (emphasis mine):

Yes, I really understand!

Here's the super-condensed version of the saga. I believe this to be accurate.

Corey Goode was an Avalon member for a long time.

After he was interviewed in Sept-Oct 2014, he left the forum, became critically hostile to Avalon, and then very grossly embellished his previous story, seeking out David Wilcock to assist. Researcher and author Michael Salla has also promoted Corey's story. Many details of the story are generally held to be ridiculous and fantastical, and other parts plagiarized.

Wilcock and Gaia TV have now turned this (and Corey) into a money-making golden goose that they cannot afford to kill, unless the goose ceases to be an asset.

Genuine whistleblowers and careful researchers are now being in danger of being marginalized in the context of a marketing wave of populist comic-book promotion.

There is growing evidence that nefarious forces are at play, not just one person's [what some people see as] sociopathy.

Then the new poster wonders about pre-Corey Wilcock, as she wasn't familiar, so he responds thusly:

Bulletpoint summary of David Wilcock: (bearing in mind that some of this is my personal opinion, but I do know quite a lot about him)

He's done a lot of good work. He has a very high intellect, is very articulate, and a huge ability to retain and recall data. He is also a good author.

Kerry Cassidy and I did quite a lot (in Project Camelot) to bring him to prominence back in 2007-8. Although he was already a known figure, he was at that time talented, modest, and a little unsure of himself in some ways. He was also very supportive of Camelot in that period, and we appreciated that.

Many people on the net (and many here on the forum) will say that his ego and desire for fame has grown since then to the degree that he is respected and liked quite a lot less.

Money has always been important to him. As long ago as 2009, he would not speak at a conference for less than $5,000.

There's one thread (started by Weezer) where she documents how she was defrauded by him out of $10,000.

There are many other Avalon threads about him (search for 'Wilcock' in thread titles). Many point out that he has stated and predicted many things that are not true, or have not come about, all of which he appears to brush off.

I think EVERYONE agrees on the "green" issue...there's not a ton of mystery or even that much contraversy about that.

I believe the "red" issue is a common concern of the "community" that warrants discussion and I will praise Bill here for doing that....HOWEVER....the thing I've been going on about since even before Corey is demonstrated by the (CG) bold purple highlight.

In his characterization of CG, his narrative goes: Corey was just a poster, happened to get interviewed, and after that is what's worth noting. I personally thought it was blatantly obvious (to anyone on the forums back then, or anyone who considered a themselves a "serious researcher" and went back to look) the import of what he glosses over (ie the hype he created over his super-secret whistleblower)...but I was wrong about that, it's not really as obvious as i thought...and again, I guess I could be wrong, but I feel it is as or actually MORE important than the aftermath

And I know that the handful here that participate on these types of threads (that I've been making ad nauseum since that time) have actually heard me say it a million times...but I'm finding out that a lot of people miss that point, and folks that weren't immersed as some of us were couldn't have possibility gotten it, so I'm laying it out again for posterity.

And I think it's particularly interesting in contrast to the 2nd purp highlight, where Bill takes partial responsibility for David Wilcock's fame...which back in those days was considered a "good thing" as he was bringing some solid stuff to the table in the eyes of a lot of people.

To be clear, I think Bill laying things out as concisely as he is, and steering the conversation to what he considers important is great...but I am calling him on my perception that he is (subtly, effectively) changing the narrative, and in the process contributing to or even creating to more of a "problem in the community" than famous bluebirds (and maybe even david willya-look-at-my-cock) could ever be**.

**ADDED....well, at least to the people who pay attention to Bill and/or the characters he has a hand in "bringing to prominence"

I was told the other day by an old friend (from the forums) that you have been awfully quiet or busy lately.

Both are true, relative to how I used to be, but the real reason that I barely post is that whether it be intentional or design, the fears and speculations like the ones Bill mentioned above seems to have come to fruition. For me, at least.

Not that I'm a "genuine whistleblower" or professional researcher, but I did used to really enjoy sharing my experiences, no matter how mundane...and discussing them with others. I liked reading and listening to what others experience, and sharing any insights or perspectives I might have with them.

And here's some high speculation for you: I think Bill did too. I like to believe it was what inspired what good work he did and how the Project became popular enough to be more of a discussion board with diversity and decent enough numbers that no one (or three) people could dominate it the way that happens at the smaller forums, where some (like myself) might not participate as much as not to be associated with the prevailing (loudest) belief systems and personalities.

Bill Ryan teaming with Dark Journalist was the nail in the coffin of the possibility of "rational" people being able to discuss extraordinary things. It's great (for the "community") in a sense if it actually helps the most gullible of us to learn discernment, and even better if it energizes more folks to actually start vetting people, asking serious questions, and being less tolerant of hypocrisy.

But all of us know, and those who do the smallest bit of actually vetting, that participating on these forums demands some level of hypocrisy. They are mostly centered around at the very least on some mini-cult of personality, where new-found "whistlebowers" and long disgraced quasi-celebrities are given most of the attention, and tend to be the biggest draw.

BR now (or at least was, before he lost some steam) bringing out these high standards not only make it tough to get a new draw to PA (or the like), the hypocrisy of it coming form him, with his history, should make any thinking person think twice before baring their soul in any of these places. The fact that it took his crusade for "truth" in the community via "debunking" Corey ****ing Goode to get him to actually admit he didn't live up to these standards in the past is some kind of crazy paradox that requires a level of double-think, of cognitive dissonance acceptance that who the f*ck would want to listen to someone niave enough to fuel it?

It almost feels like a political campaign, or the early workings of new major religion. Where the "scientific method" and "evidence" based "research" about important accepted beliefs like the SECRET SPACE PROGRAM has turned what we liked to call the "truth" community into a program like everything else in what we used to call the mainstream.

The lines are getting blurred these days. The things coming out of the President's mouth and the teevee's reporting are every bit as crazy as some of the wilder stuff you find in these realms. And everyone is trying to be right, or prove someone else wrong...dictate their truth or shit on someone else's...or both.

I just know that in this kind of environment, I'd be wont to come out of my shell the way I did the way things are now. I looked up to Bill (and Icke and Wilcock and a bunch of others) as solid researchers more interested in truth than attention. I feel I can feel empathy for wanting (BR's, to my mind) to be the place for the important conversations and bombshell disclosures.

Big egos draw big energy...for better or for worse. Some just need to be in control of the reality the create, they can do whatever they think it takes to get it, regardless of whether it requires them to lie to themselves (and others) or not. I dunno...can we create an environment on the interwebs where an ego or a bad idea doesn't predominate?

enjoy being

19th October 2017, 19:47

Dreamtimer

19th October 2017, 22:19

BR may not matter a drop, but it seems the affect he had/has on people does. It's good to hear first-hand accounts of different experiences with him.

donk

20th October 2017, 11:37

Ahh I see what has happened here. Sorry I hadn't realised you are a jilted fan donk. I, for some reason had thought you always thought of BR as a charlatan. My mistake, it all makes more sense now.
I personally don't agree that BR ever was anything of note. He's just some dude on the internet who I always thought fancied the sound of his own voice as some sort of narrator for BBC.
He never had any pedestal to be placed on, he never amounted to anything in my view. I don't really understand why people would say other wise. It is so underwhelming.
But yes it make sense now that you would be so emotional about this nobody as if you once thought the sun shone out of his hatbrim then it would stand to reason you would be feeling disappointed and dejected about the fall from grace of a hero.
Anyway mate, that's what I see, that your holding on to stuff about someone who really really doesn't matter one minuscule drop.

More of a cult-type situation...it wasn't as much as him (though I was definitely guilty of some hero/guru worship) as the environment that was on PA, at least for the chunk of time that I was there.

There used to be (and am sure to some extent probably still is, somewhere in the depths and corners of the forum) a place that was fun (and to some, felt safe) to share extraordinary experiences and "out there" ideas. Build real relationships. Find practical information and interesting stories. Interact directly with some folks you'd never get to otherwise.

But the foundation was (is) a cult to his personality, the basis was reverence to the "groundbreaking" work he did and the "sterling integrity" of the buddies (quasi-celebs) he had access to. And it seemed he used it more to get attention and feed his ego (some even say feed himself, though I don't believe it is as lucrative as some think), rather than building community and seeking truth.

Dumpster Diver

20th October 2017, 12:26

I think I need to apologize to Donk and probably others in this thread. Since I've not come in from Avalon nor am I much of a religious person, I didn't understand the need to "cleanse" oneself of the experience especially cultish ones. My aspie nature makes me fairly insensitive to others as well, and frankly I struggle with this and can offend folks easily especially when I haven't the visual cues one gets when conversing face-to-face (at least I'm somewhat better in those situations).

Again, apologies. I'll try to behave better going forward.

Dreamtimer

20th October 2017, 12:35

That was very nice, Dumpy. (You OK?) (:ttr: )

Dumpster Diver

20th October 2017, 12:49

That was very nice, Dumpy. (You OK?) (:ttr: )

Umm, yeah I guess me trying on a Clark Kent personality looks weird doesn't it? Ok, Dark Knight Dumpy tights are back on.

enjoy being

20th October 2017, 23:45

More of a cult-type situation...it wasn't as much as him (though I was definitely guilty of some hero/guru worship) as the environment that was on PA, at least for the chunk of time that I was there.

There used to be (and am sure to some extent probably still is, somewhere in the depths and corners of the forum) a place that was fun (and to some, felt safe) to share extraordinary experiences and "out there" ideas. Build real relationships. Find practical information and interesting stories. Interact directly with some folks you'd never get to otherwise.

But the foundation was (is) a cult to his personality, the basis was reverence to the "groundbreaking" work he did and the "sterling integrity" of the buddies (quasi-celebs) he had access to. And it seemed he used it more to get attention and feed his ego (some even say feed himself, though I don't believe it is as lucrative as some think), rather than building community and seeking truth.

You kind of said it all there regards forums on the web. I'd say it would be present in many different forums. Even the info only enthusiasts forums for different things. Even they would say they enjoy the community.
Forums such as the genre which this one and that other one belong to are not information only, they are quite social.
I think they haven't really been defined adequately in that way, the places act as refuges, as places for people to talk about their experiences and link with people who are like minded or have had similar experiences...
But then it goes on to different levels to that, in which some evolve discussions which are ongoing and then begin to evolve discussions which are theories on action, theories on inaction, and theories based purely around a desire to be entertained.
I probably had a few similar symptoms towards the first of these sorts of forums I belonged to as well. I probably would still be found to say I felt it was the best of its time for a time. A lot of it is about the people who are members, not really about the personalities who have created the platform. The persons might attract traffic initially, but word gets around and the members of forums are what make all the content, all the connections. The people are the ones which will make the experience more rich for you, this can be true in so many areas though I guess. It was such at art school too all those years ago. The tutors never really did teach that much, they supplied feedback if wanted, and for the most it was about our own discussions and thoughts that we would share and evolve between like minded individuals we gravitated to.

donk

21st October 2017, 01:14

Are there other forums out there though that claim to have spawned and housed so many quasi-celebrities (within their own little communities)?

Bases, maybe? But that sorta feels like Johnston’s intent, and I’ve never really seen him all that different from Bill?

What about David Ickes? Or wilcocks? Did anybody close to a Charles come out of anyone else’s?

4chan, the “anonoymous” forum (which is quite interesting) brought a meme to life, or conjured an old god or whatever they did, but that’s the only entity I know about that surpassed the amount of awareness of a Corey Goode. Is there anything magical about what PA has done?

My current emotional attachment to it is in regards to BR’s recent surge in popularity centering around his focused discernment and skepticism towards his very creations, the very demons he conjured, while somehow dodging his responsibility in their creation. The ultimate problem-reaction-solution, it was kind of scary to watch there for a little while

Kathy

21st October 2017, 06:56

This interview with Duncan O'Finioan with Randy Maugans seems to have been missed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU-16ATgJ2E
"Published on 3 Jun 2017 by OffPlanet Media
Duncan O'Finioan joins Randy Maugans for an exclusive talk about the recent shooting incident at Center Point Healing Center. We then go into some deep topics including the recent media wars, the developments in spiritual warfare fronts; why the supernatural is now plagued with inter-dimensionals; the workings of magic and dimensional rift riding...never a dull moment."

Dumpster Diver

21st December 2017, 16:51

Looks like the wheels are starting to come loose in Blue Chicken Land:

https://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-inner-earth-in-crisis.html

The video was out on Monday followed rapidly with this transcript.

Things are not going exactly to plan in Asgard so they are hiding in a temporal bubble...

...something tells me this ain’t good.

Emil El Zapato

21st December 2017, 23:43

modwiz

22nd December 2017, 00:25

All the racial types represented. That's a very fortuitous new twist, until recently, and until the rank-and-file recognized how ludicrous white alien good guys were, 'they' never sent other racial types. Incidentally, i looked for the Hispanic type but didn't see one. I suppose Hispanic conspiracists should start scoffing at the Blue Chickens so they send one or two of those. How about a little equal representation, this ain't Hollywood after all.

Yes. I've heard disclosure has been postponed until the Blue Avians have had sufficient education in diversity, gender studies and sensitivity training.:rolleyes:

A new message for humanity must be politically correct, of course.

Dumpster Diver

22nd December 2017, 01:34

Emil El Zapato

22nd December 2017, 01:37

yes, that's the least one would expect, they are after all, enlightened beings..No? Maybe not though, I saw part of a movie documentary last night that said even hyper-dimensional Aliens could be dense. Now that I think about it. Southern migrants ARE aliens...never mind, it has been covered.

modwiz

22nd December 2017, 01:39

Well, you got the Blue Chickens, Gold triangle head bubbas, white, green and red Dracos, tall and short grays, so we got a pretty good spectrum on the ET side. Mayans are close to Mexico so perhaps we’ll get them to Habla for you and get a check in the Hispanic box?

That was my thought. Mayans are for the Hispanic check box. We must remember that diversity is for the plebes so, the ones crafting this social engineering can get sloppy because it's all a game to them.

Dreamtimer

22nd December 2017, 05:40

:lol::lol::lol:, Dumpy.

Come on guys, you're way behind the curve. Belanna Torres was half human, half Vulcan and Totally Hot Hispanic. (and I'm not even attracted to women)

The Rebellion in Star Wars is a 'rag tag' crew, thus it's by nature going to be diverse. You can't help it when you're recruiting everyone who is alive and not part of the Empire. I can't even believe people are trying to cry sjw. How foolish. I pity them, whether they want it or not.:onthequite:

Crap, I meant Klingon. That's what I was thinking. Long day, yesterday.

Aragorn

22nd December 2017, 10:00

Belanna Torres was half human, half Vulcan and Totally Hot Hispanic.

Nope, B'Elanna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%27Elanna_Torres) was half human, half Klingon. :p Her father was human and her mother was Klingon, but her parents separated early on. Given B'Elanna's Klingon heritage, human kids were making fun of her cranial ridges when she was little, which she then responded to with violence.

But hot, yes, that she certainly was. :p There was even an episode of VOY where you could see Roxann Dawson without the makeup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faces_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)), because her character had been split up into two separate individuals — one fully human and one fully Klingon. After the episode was broadcast, Roxann asked her real-life parents what they thought of it, and they told her that they thought "she was great, but the actress who played the Klingon girl was fantastic." :p (Both the human and Klingon characters were played by Roxann Dawson, but she was almost unrecognizable under her fully Klingon appearance. ;))

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/17500000/B-Elanna-Torres-belanna-torres-17567004-600-900.jpg

To the best of my knowledge, there has only been one other half human, half Klingon character, but this was on TNG, not on VOY. Her name was K'Ehleyr — played by Suzie Plakson — and she was hot too :p. She was Worf's mate, and the mother of his son Alexander, although she had never informed Worf that he had a son until she boarded the Enterprise again. K'Ehleyr appeared in only two episodes, and she was murdered by the traitor Duras, who had assassinated Klingon Chancellor K'mpec in an attempt to take his place.

All throughout the Star Trek series, the Duras family had been having secret dealings with the Romulans, the archenemy of the Klingon Empire. Duras' father had even betrayed the Klingon Empire to the Romulans during the Romulan-Klingon War, over which Worf's father was posthumously convicted of treason, even though it was known to the Chancellor that Duras' father was the traitor, not Worf's father. According to Klingon tradition, a father's dishonor is transferred upon his sons, and Worf was forced to bear the verdict for political reasons, causing him to be expelled from the Klingon Empire in disgrace while the Duras family could carry on with their betrayal.

When K'Ehleyr finds out that Duras has poisoned K'mpec, Duras murders her. Worf finds her, and subsequently boards Duras' ship in order to exact revenge upon him. He kills Duras in a duel, thereby also thwarting Duras' plan to become the next Chancellor, after which the position goes to Gowron, the only other contender. Gowron is himself killed by Worf in yet another duel — in DS9, near the end of the Dominion War — after Gowron had become a morally corrupt megalomaniac and had repeatedly been sending the popular and righteous General Martok on missions he couldn't possibly win, just so as to eliminate Martok as competition, with as a result that the Federation-Klingon-Romulan alliance was losing the war against the Dominion. ;)

Apart from Spock, I don't know of any other half human, half Vulcan characters on Star Trek — Subcommander T'Pol of ENT was entirely Vulcan — albeit that there was a recurring half human, half Romulan character, namely Romulan Commander Sela. She was the daughter of a Romulan officer and a duplicate of Tasha Yar from another timeline who had traveled back in time through a rift in spacetime and was captured by the Romulans while on board the Enterprise C, which was defending a Klingon ship against three Romulan Warbirds. This Tasha Yar was captured by the Romulans, brought to Romulus and taken as the consort of a Romulan officer.

Both Tasha Yar and her daughter Sela were portrayed by actress Denise Crosby, and the only visual difference between Sela and her mother was that Sela had the Vulcan/Romulan ears of her father. They were also both blondes — the natural hair color of Denise Crosby — which is very rare on Romulus.

Romulans and Vulcans share a common ancestry, and their genetic makeup is 99% the same. The 1% deviation stems from the fact that, by the TNG era, the ancestors of the Romulans had already left Vulcan almost 2000 years ago, and that Romulus is a much more Earth-like planet than Vulcan. ;)

Anyway... :back to topic: :p

Dreamtimer

22nd December 2017, 13:38

Her parent's name was Caballero. Italian then? I though she was hispanic in origins.

Dumpster Diver

22nd December 2017, 14:32

How did we get into Star Trek and Star Wars characters? I thought we we talking ‘real world’ stuff? :scrhd: :hilarious:

Fred Steeves

22nd December 2017, 15:03

Dumpster Diver

22nd December 2017, 15:22

So I just got done reading the Corey Goode/David Wilcock transcript Dumpster Diver posted, and it reminds me a lot story wise of Aragorn's above summary of the Federation-Klingon-Romulan alliance. Not exactly, but in that same classic space opera tradition as War of the Worlds, Buck Rogers, Star Wars, etc.

Stay tuned for the next thrilling episode. It's good stuff really, if the movie version were coming on AMC tonight I'd probably watch it. You know what the shit of it is? None of these stories, Serpo and it's saucer crashing Ebens being another, is necessarily all fiction. I wonder how many of these sagas are actually channeled, and not all channeling is bogus. Hmmmm...
https://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-inner-earth-in-crisis.html

P.S. How's that for a segue Dumps? ;)

My take? The sun blast is gonna happen (lots of old religious text behind this and semi confirmed by ‘science’) only the rescue ain’t gonna happen. Nobody’s gonna send you lots of money if you tell the hard, nasty facts of you needing to pay for all the damage you caused to the planet and each other. ‘Leveling up’ without the natural death step rings hollow to me.

Aragorn

22nd December 2017, 15:28

So I just got done reading the Corey Goode/David Wilcock transcript Dumpster Diver posted, and it reminds me a lot story wise of Aragorn's above summary of the Federation-Klingon-Romulan alliance. Not exactly, but in that same classic space opera tradition as War of the Worlds, Buck Rogers, Star Wars, etc.

Stay tuned for the next thrilling episode. It's good stuff really, if the movie version were coming on AMC tonight I'd probably watch it. You know what the shit of it is? None of these stories, Serpo and it's saucer crashing Ebens being another, is necessarily all fiction. I wonder how many of these sagas are actually channeled, and not all channeling is bogus. Hmmmm...
https://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-inner-earth-in-crisis.html

P.S. How's that for a segue Dumps? ;)

Forget about a movie. This is stuff for a series. I'm thinking at least five seasons. ;)

Fred Steeves

22nd December 2017, 16:25

Forget about a movie. This is stuff for a series. I'm thinking at least five seasons. ;)

Well season 8 of "The Walking Dead" is continuing to slack in ratings, perhaps a zombie apocalypse/space opera merger would be mutually beneficial to both series. "Blue Avians Introduce Corey Goode To Rick Grimes", love it! :meditating:

Perhaps another foreward authored by Bill Ryan for good measure. :)

Yet another segue, he's on a roll!

Aragorn

23rd December 2017, 12:33

Well season 8 of "The Walking Dead" is continuing to slack in ratings, perhaps a zombie apocalypse/space opera merger would be mutually beneficial to both series. "Blue Avians Introduce Corey Goode To Rick Grimes", love it! :meditating:

Perhaps another foreward authored by Bill Ryan for good measure. :)

Yet another segue, he's on a roll!

THE INVASION

of

The Blue Zombie Chickens

- a J.J. Abrams production -

Every episode starts with a voice-over narration, alternating between 10 minutes of David Wilcock talking about his penis in even-number episodes, and 20 minutes of Alfred Lambremont Webre just trying to turn on his webcam in odd-number episodes.

The double-length pilot episode will be called "How the Grinch Stole a Fake Picasso", and will home in on two Famous Researchers™ — one an African-born British Scientologist from Ecuador with a conspicuous hat, and the other one a tone-deaf middle-aged blonde from, you know, Sedona, okay? — who are set up for a swindle with a fake Picasso drawing by the evil Blue Zombie Chickens From 9th Density™ and their human accomplice, the Illuminati Insider™ Shane The Ruiner.

The Ruiner and his following of 1'000-year-old vampires, the Shanolytes, then take the two Famous Researchers™ hostage and transport them to a secret underground facility underneath the Gaia TV studios by way of a Norway Spiral™, created by the devious Richard C. Hoagland from within his Nazi base on the moon. Along with them, the Brave Whistleblower™ Henry Deacon (played by Arthur Neuman) is also transported through the Norway Spiral™, but he loses his mustache in transit and succumbs to his injury.

The Famous Researchers™ are then tortured with screenshots from The One Truth and Eye-Rise, and brutally interrogated by Michael Salla and George Noory, both possessed by the evil spirits of the Blue Zombie Chickens™. However, they are then promptly rescued by The Hero™, a "Secret Space Program" operative named "Corey Goode", who obliterates the possessed individuals with a Golden Triangle™ made of Ra Material™, and who, with a mysterious line from east of the Rockies, resurrects Art Bell, who had been clubbed to death by George Noory with Bob Dean's cane.

:ha: :hilarious:

Note to Fred: Don't complain about your keyboard, man — you know better than to try sipping from your beer while reading my posts. :p :ha:

https://i1.wp.com/www.votersopinion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ROFLMAO.jpg

Oh man, I'm so bad, hahaha! :ha: :hilarious: :ha:

Fred Steeves

23rd December 2017, 12:40

Classic, I think we have our show runner ROFL!

Dumpster Diver

23rd December 2017, 15:36

THE INVASION

of

The Blue Zombie Chickens

- a J.J. Abrams production -

Every episode starts with a voice-over narration, alternating between 10 minutes of David Wilcock talking about his penis in even-number episodes, and 20 minutes of Alfred Lambremont Webre just trying to turn on his webcam in odd-number episodes.

The double-length pilot episode will be called "How the Grinch Stole a Fake Picasso", and will home in on two Famous Researchers™ — one an African-born British Scientologist from Ecuador with a conspicuous hat, and the other one a tone-deaf middle-aged blonde from, you know, Sedona, okay? — who are set up for a swindle with a fake Picasso drawing by the evil Blue Zombie Chickens From 9th Density™ and their human accomplice, the Illuminati Insider™ Shane The Ruiner.

The Ruiner and his following of 1'000-year-old vampires, the Shanolytes, then take the two Famous Researchers™ hostage and transport them to a secret underground facility underneath the Gaia TV studios by way of a Norway Spiral™, created by the devious Richard C. Hoagland from within his Nazi base on the moon. Along with them, the Brave Whistleblower™ Henry Deacon (played by Arthur Neuman) is also transported through the Norway Spiral™, but he loses his mustache in transit and succumbs to his injury.

The Famous Researchers™ are then tortured with screenshots from The One Truth and Eye-Rise, and brutally interrogated by Michael Salla and George Noory, both possessed by the evil spirits of the Blue Zombie Chickens™. However, they are then promptly rescued by The Hero™, a "Secret Space Program" operative named "Corey Goode", who obliterates the possessed individuals with a Golden Triangle™ made of Ra Material™, and who, with a mysterious line from east of the Rockies, resurrects Art Bell, who had been clubbed to death by George Noory with Bob Dean's cane.

:ha: :hilarious:

Note to Fred: Don't complain about your keyboard, man — you know better than to try sipping from your beer while reading my posts. :p :ha:

https://i1.wp.com/www.votersopinion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ROFLMAO.jpg

Oh man, I'm so bad, hahaha! :ha: :hilarious: :ha:

Argon, I think you have missed your calling as a TV script outliner. Send this in to JJ and he’ll probably get you in as a subplot to Star Wars. Good news: good money. Bad news: you have to sell your soul and you croak in the finale like the guys in that other rumored Star Wars one-off: Rogue One with Tupac.

Emil El Zapato

23rd December 2017, 16:52

I stand appropriately chastised!

https://spherebeingalliance.com/media/img/1600x0/2017-12/14_Room_with_four_Mayans_and_panel.jpg

And Gonzales removes a . . . like a black 8-ball-looking sphere, stone sphere, from them, and walks up to me and scans my forehead.

The One

23rd December 2017, 19:16

https://media2.giphy.com/media/brsEO1JayBVja/giphy.gif

Dumpster Diver

24th December 2017, 14:01

Just because you don’t believe in Blue Chickens, doesn’t mean they don’t believe in you.

CG sez they are increasingly showing up in folks houses but DW has not got to see one yet. No doubt because of too much weenie talk.

...mine hasn’t shown up either.

Wind

24th December 2017, 15:29

Are they coming down the chimneys?

Dumpster Diver

24th December 2017, 15:46

Are they coming down the chimneys?

Yes, this is what they look like after they have come down:

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tI2iWK3mAqI/hqdefault.jpg

Emil El Zapato

24th December 2017, 15:47

Now that's politically incorrect... :)

Aragorn

24th December 2017, 16:10

Now that's politically incorrect... :)

I was going to write something similar — about how certain busybodies were now going to sue The One Truth over charges of racism — but you beat me to it. :p

Dumpster Diver

24th December 2017, 16:32

That’s a Dutch Zwarte Piet, one of my favorite Pagan holiday traditions; sjw be damned.

Aragorn

24th December 2017, 16:54

That’s a Dutch Zwarte Piet, one of my favorite Pagan holiday traditions; sjw be damned.

To be fair, the Zwarte Pieten have already long left the country/countries again. Sinterklaas' birthday is the 5th of December in the Netherlands and the 6th of December in Belgium. ;)

Ahem...

https://img.discogs.com/bo_v-RGOQKnPeoXfJUXQyj0UHV4=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(40)/discogs-images/L-909790-1444645231-4449.jpeg.jpg

:whstl: :ttr:

And now that we're off-topic again, free cookies for whoever recognizes the brand and model of the car in that image. :p

Emil El Zapato

24th December 2017, 18:25

I'm drinking a Blue Moon Belgian White...best beer I've ever tasted... :)

Dumpster Diver

24th December 2017, 20:26

I'm drinking a Blue Moon Belgian White...best beer I've ever tasted... :)

Little known fact (excepting Belgians): Belgium is a beer drinkers paradise. So many great local brews. I’d rate them BETTER than the Germans...really.

Wind

24th December 2017, 21:02

I love Belgian dark chocolate, it has such fine quality and amazing taste!

Dumpster Diver

24th December 2017, 22:05

I love Belgian dark chocolate, it has such fine quality and amazing taste!

Belgium chocolate: best in the world. Thank goodness we can import and get away from the nasty American dreck.

Dreamtimer

25th December 2017, 13:54

To be fair, the Zwarte Pieten have already long left the country/countries again. Sinterklaas' birthday is the 5th of December in the Netherlands and the 6th of December in Belgium. ;)

Ahem...

https://img.discogs.com/bo_v-RGOQKnPeoXfJUXQyj0UHV4=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(40)/discogs-images/L-909790-1444645231-4449.jpeg.jpg

:whstl: :ttr:

And now that we're off-topic again, free cookies for whoever recognizes the brand and model of the car in that image. :p
Lamborghini.

Aragorn

25th December 2017, 14:18

https://img.discogs.com/bo_v-RGOQKnPeoXfJUXQyj0UHV4=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(40)/discogs-images/L-909790-1444645231-4449.jpeg.jpg

And now that we're off-topic again, free cookies for whoever recognizes the brand and model of the car in that image. :p

Lamborghini.

I'll approve of that answer, even though the condition was to name both the brand and the model. :p But with a little imagination, it could be a Lamborghini Jalpa, indeed. ;) They were built between 1981 and 1988. ;)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Xy9yIw1Bzp4/maxresdefault.jpg

Here's your reward. Unfortunately, they don't make them in blue... :p

https://cdn2.tmbi.com/TOH/Images/Photos/37/1200x1200/Owl-Cookies_exps2520_TH143193D04_22_3bC_RMS.jpg

If they were available in blue, then the thread would have been back on topic. :D Or at least, almost. :p

Dumpster Diver

25th December 2017, 19:51

I'll approve of that answer, even though the condition was to name both the brand and the model. :p But with a little imagination, it could be a Lamborghini Jalpa, indeed. ;) They were built between 1981 and 1988. ;)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Xy9yIw1Bzp4/maxresdefault.jpg

Here's your reward. Unfortunately, they don't make them in blue... :p

https://cdn2.tmbi.com/TOH/Images/Photos/37/1200x1200/Owl-Cookies_exps2520_TH143193D04_22_3bC_RMS.jpg

If they were available in blue, then the thread would have been back on topic. :D Or at least, almost. :p

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b2/09/70/b2097034088900c1621721bcf2378439.jpg

Here ya go...

Aragorn

25th December 2017, 20:02

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b2/09/70/b2097034088900c1621721bcf2378439.jpg

Here ya go...

Yeah, but those don't look like birds, now do they? :D :p

The One

25th December 2017, 20:19

Ah ah ah ah ah ah :chrs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyml8q_3e8Q

Dumpster Diver

26th December 2017, 04:31

http://dzineblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/bluebird-twitter-cookies.jpg

We aim to please...

Dreamtimer

26th December 2017, 04:32

Those are pretty darn cute. And I love the owls. They look delicious.:garden:

Emil El Zapato

26th December 2017, 20:11

I didn't know people ate owls...There's a couple around my apartment in Austin, Tx. I may have to try one...

Dreamtimer

2nd January 2018, 17:26

Peter Levenda just did a show on Forum Borealis which hasn't been published yet (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1198842&viewfull=1#post1198842). He's definitely not on the Goode bandwagon.

Emil El Zapato

2nd January 2018, 20:14

I saw a 'discussion' with Richard Dolan and the hatted one last night....Fascinating, BR slamming MUFON and Goode and insisting on the need for credibility. Kudoes for Dolan's ability to keep a straight face. Oh by the way, they both had a hoot about that Russian spy dude talking about Mars slave camps on the Demonic one's show.

Translation (Steele and Jones).

Dolan did say that some of the lower level Goode camp might be into Satanism...

Dreamtimer

2nd January 2018, 20:51

Where did this take place?

Emil El Zapato

2nd January 2018, 21:31

it was all audio, so i'm not sure...it was on youtube though...if anyone is interested i'll find it and post it...

Dumpster Diver

2nd January 2018, 22:13

it was all audio, so i'm not sure...it was on youtube though...if anyone is interested i'll find it and post it...

Yes, please!

Interesting that Dolan has a Gaia TV show and appears on at least one other and then hobnobbes with The Cat in The Hat while slamming a prime star of Gaia. The money is green wherever, I’d guess. Actually I prefer to think Gaia plays a wide field and gets folks with audiences and puts butts in seats, and Dolan certainly can do that.

I saw a 'discussion' with Richard Dolan and the hatted one last night....Fascinating, BR slamming MUFON and Goode and insisting on the need for credibility. Kudoes for Dolan's ability to keep a straight face. Oh by the way, they both had a hoot about that Russian spy dude talking about Mars slave camps on the Demonic one's show.

Translation (Steele and Jones).

Dolan did say that some of the lower level Goode camp might be into Satanism...

From all the books n my shelf, one would think I’m into satanism, but reading about it and practicing are two differing things. I read about it to defend myself and be aware.

Emil El Zapato

3rd January 2018, 02:14

Yes, please!

Interesting that Dolan has a Gaia TV show and appears on at least one other and then hobnobbes with The Cat in The Hat while slamming a prime star of Gaia. The money is green wherever, I’d guess. Actually I prefer to think Gaia plays a wide field and gets folks with audiences and puts butts in seats, and Dolan certainly can do that.

From all the books n my shelf, one would think I’m into satanism, but reading about it and practicing are two differing things. I read about it to defend myself and be aware.

:You're right about that...he conceded that there is an element of money wrapped up in everything.

Having the Amityville Horror in my habitat is as close as I care to get to the Dark Side.

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMhhQwbyLQc

Dreamtimer

3rd January 2018, 04:38

Thanks. I was listening to Dark Journalist on Forum Borealis and they talked about Ryan, Goode, the SSP, and more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgraMRL8M1I

Here's the second part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=2vZZ-HPHa54

Dreamtimer

8th January 2018, 22:12

The Forum Borealis interview with Peter Levenda is out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIYnl9hIv2w

This could also go on a disclosure/De Longe thread. Since I referenced it above (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10917-BR-s-disclosure-on-CG?p=841984962&viewfull=1#post841984962), I posted it here.

Fred Steeves

4th February 2018, 16:53

Decided to post here about Bill Ryan, rather than taking this other thread further off the beaten path.

I mean, we're talking of a guy here who knows people, who know other people, who in turn know yet other people who've been to the planet Serpo!

Funny you mention that Aragorn. His former AFOSI buddy Richard Doty, who is famously a disinformation artist, is back in the news. As you know Doty was a central figure in Bill Ryan's Serpo space opera you invoke here. From the group calling themselves the "Team Of Five" guiding the story from behind the scenes, to Doty being pointed to as none other than the story's super secret "Anonymous" sources himself.

So I still find it utterly fascinating Bill has the cojones to openly ask the following sort of question, and this sort of thing is certainly worthy of continued study. I've read that shadowy Intel types like to show off publicly to each other like peacocks on how blatant of shit they can pull off without drawing undue scrutiny. If true, and it makes perfect sense, then this would be a textbook example:

What was Doty's actual role in the Serpo affair?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101592-Richard-Doty-Surprise-Call-to-Jimmy-Church-an-in-depth-conversation-1-Feb-2018&p=1205880#post1205880

Aragorn

4th February 2018, 17:22

Decided to post here about Bill Ryan, rather than taking this other thread further off the beaten path.

I mean, we're talking of a guy here who knows people, who know other people, who in turn know yet other people who've been to the planet Serpo!

Funny you mention that Aragorn. His former AFOSI buddy Richard Doty, who is famously a disinformation artist, is back in the news. As you know Doty was a central figure in Bill Ryan's Serpo space opera you invoke here. From the group calling themselves the "Team Of Five" guiding the story from behind the scenes, to Doty being pointed to as none other than the story's super secret "Anonymous" sources himself.

So I still find it utterly fascinating Bill has the cojones to openly ask the following sort of question, and this sort of thing is certainly worthy of continued study. I've read that shadowy Intel types like to show off publicly to each other like peacocks on how blatant of shit they can pull off without drawing undue scrutiny. If true, and it makes perfect sense, then this would be a textbook example:

What was Doty's actual role in the Serpo affair?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101592-Richard-Doty-Surprise-Call-to-Jimmy-Church-an-in-depth-conversation-1-Feb-2018&p=1205880#post1205880

Yes, I saw the topic listed among the new threads at The Project™, but I didn't actually look at it. The title alone already raised my suspicion, and that is why I alluded to the Serpo affair on the thread from which you quoted me. I was even thinking to myself "I hope Fred gets to see this." :p

Quite a surprise eh, to see Richard Doty so suddenly call Jimmy Church out of the blue... ;) : Sherlock:

Dreamtimer

4th February 2018, 18:39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6MkESn1v1w

Octopus Garden

4th February 2018, 19:26

But now Doty is telling the truth, right? What is his latest offering? If I remember right, doesn't he say that most UFO researchers have intelligence handlers they are not aware of? As if that is necessary to keep this topic looking unworthy of study.

There are likely real nuts and bolts craft, piloted by beings who are like us but very advanced. Bit the vast majority of what we see may be materializations of a sophisticated trickster phenomenon. Where we dream in images only, they or it can dream in images AND objects.

Doty and his ilk aren't necessarily getting in the way of truth and disclosure, they are playing a game within a greater game. In that way they provide a template for understanding a bit of what might be going on here.

Dumpster Diver

4th February 2018, 19:58

Wow, Doty has really open a door for me. I just asked the GF if she is my handler. And she said, “well, not as much as I used to, I guess.”

Dreamtimer

4th February 2018, 21:59

It seems just like politics. Rely on people to forget. Then ask for their vote again.

Aianawa

5th February 2018, 20:34

Am lost, start again ?, lol