BR's disclosure on CG

[Dumpster Diver]

All these posts on what a cool dude BR is or was...I'm glad he "helped" folks in this thread in the past.

...But, I see it as a pattern of mind-controlling behavior which is a distinct attribute of Scientology practitioners, i.e. latch onto a vulnerability personality (many MILABs have messed up minds) especially one who has PTSD (CG, probably...he seems to admit to this as well), make them feel good, and then bend them to do your bidding and get them to join the cult. BTW, I contend that Scientology is another branch of the MK-ULTRA phenomenon mostly applied to the Hollywood fruitcakes. BR, an admitted practitioner of Scientology methods, is just following his MK-ULTRA/Scientologist ingrained training syllabus. A few figure it out and escape. If they do, publicly shame them, and/or destroy their reputations.

However, I think CG's "escape" was probably setup to create exactly the situation we see unfolding before us now. A calculated Deep State plot to implode the Al-World by taking out two large factions of it, Avalon & Gaia TV.

Certainly, at least, the internal cat fights keeps them (us?) from doing anything productive and at worst this will mostly implode the Alt-world major factions when CG finally gets outed as an mind-controlled drone with implanted memories, set up to be publicly taken down by a community at war with itself over CG's Marvel-Comic back story.

[Lord Sidious]

You know... and that really has bugged me because when I got into PA you were such a legend and so highly revered and so I have always regretted that I was unable to experience much of that at PA. Anyways, apologies if my comment makes you blush but truly, you are a legend and thanks for being kind with me.

Legend?
Don't go getting all nugget on us now

[TargeT]

Legend?
Don't go getting all nugget on us now

The holocaust thread was legendary, at least ... haha

[Lord Sidious]

The holocaust thread was legendary, at least ... haha

Don't remind me nugg

[donk]

Hi... and speaking from a place of "personal self" yes. Please, see what I added in my last post above this one - (which I had begun to write when my browser crashed).

I am well aware of much of the experiences of others and everyone has the right to form their own opinions and draw conclusions, even definitive ones from their own experiences. I just have a hard time with seeing someone as either "black" (bad) or "white" (good) knowing that I have a good mix of both and seeing pretty much everyone I know being a bit of both too.

We've experienced a lot of the same things together...I've been laying out my recounting of events pretty consistently all along, I dare say you did a lot of that for yourself for a nice clip. But from what you're saying here, it seems that lately one of us has gotten a bit of a "selective memory".

I'm not afraid of it being me. I'll lay out what I got out there, I respect you for doing the same. But like you said, it come down to who in the "he said/she said" who ya choose to believe. Cuz one of us is getting it wrong...and like I said I'm perfectly fine with it being me. Otherwise, cognitive dissonance is required. Or an extreme form of enabling. And those are two of the things I do my best to correct when I see (or engage in), so please...I appreciate "negative" feedback more than agreement

I have a big disagreement though, and that is that it's not ALL "he said/she said", most of this sh!t has been recorded in forum posts that no one censored, there're still there for you (PA member, and to slightly lesser extent those no longer there, there is quite a bit in private PA threads). Evidence...that the community cries for...but is to lazy to look...even when given links

Anyways, thanks for your posts...and definitely to yours too Dreamtimer (and everyone else)

[Chester]

We've experienced a lot of the same things together...I've been laying out my recounting of events pretty consistently all along, I dare say you did a lot of that for yourself for a nice clip. But from what you're saying here, it seems that lately one of us has gotten a bit of a "selective memory".

I don’t think so.

I had experiences throughout that saga that you didn’t have. And all my experiences contributed to my forming, to some extent, a different overall opinion as to how much each participant in the “Corey rising” contributed to that very rising.

I also have direct experience with events which were later depicted in various media by various participants in a way that I interpret as misleading.

And just like I take into consideration all the lies, relationship demands and story changes I directly experienced and a threat I received all but directly from Corey Goode as to how much I should believe him and his blue avians, I also take into consideration pretty deplorable actions and the making of misleading statements with regards to who I would be more inclined to believe in a "he said / she said" scenario. But hey... that's just me. Others make their minds up in other ways.

[Dumpster Diver]

Breaking:

CG is a Nazi Sympathizer!!

Dark Journalist has the scoop...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmOBxjbtras&t=151s

[Dreamtimer]

Exquisite timing.

Thanks, Dumpy. I just listened to a couple recent interviews of Daniel by other hosts.

[Dumpster Diver]

Dreamy, I'm thinking DJ is a (dark) yellow journalist :eyebrows: but I don't miss a "broadcast" now. I'm sure that's what he truly wants anyway. Believing what he says is secondary, tuning in is the key.

[Chester]

My opinion (if it matters) - Corey is no nazi sympathizer. Corey is also no holocaust affirmer or denier. Corey used to do a great deal of research and reading (and may still so do between all his other day filling tasks). Some of his "style" and words he would choose would be found in the stuff he researched. I am sure my own writing style and words I choose are found here and there in the spoken words or writings of others I have come across in my lifetime.

Corey did obsess about his image - we all saw that when he was here on TOT from early January, 2015 until late June 2015. We saw him alter posts and delete posts all the time. Corey also used to search for (or be shown) online information that he would use in ways he believed raised his credibility and image as 'a super good guy' (savior/special messenger).

When Corey started getting "handled" by Wilcock, he still did things on his own I have no doubt Wilcock would then use as examples to Corey of things Corey should not (and need not) do. Corey's recent actions (highlighted by middle of the night - 4 AM postings) reminds me of the less under control Corey from those days on TOT I highlighted above.

With regards to DJ making this posting by Corey a "video" and implicating what he did... well, I think he has this one wrong. I would put most of my money on the following... Corey knew that this "anti-Bill Ryan / anti-PA" web page existed and he had this held in his arsenal for a time he might feel compelled to bring it forth to his audience. I would also bet that Corey did not look at the rest of the website or had forgotten about it and thus was not considering any of that when, as a reaction in the middle of the night to the mounting pressure, he decided to feature it on his facebook page.

Clearly, as soon as he realized he linked one step away from what could be interpreted as "pro nazi - holocaust denying" materials that is featured in the same website (and appears to dominate it), he pulled it down. Remember that same pattern here at TOT, folks? I do.

[Chester]

Ohhh and also... in the DJ Part 4 of the series, and the implication Daniel seemed to set up in earlier parts... specifically I am talking about the "satanic" imagery associated with Ramsuer and used by Ramseur for years prior... could very well be nothing more than someone (Ramseur) thinking their marketability is enhanced, their image is enhanced by doing so... at least among their intended, targeted audience at that time. Of course, anyone who has some basic knowledge of the sub conscious and perhaps done some basic research into "magick" may also believe their usage of such imagery might affect the target audience in ways that benefit him. All sorts of "rock bands" and other media use this form of imagery, publicize their association with "the evil one" and believe this increases their market share.

So at this time I am feeling a bit disappointed that what is happening here is possibly the pitting of one possibly false (certainly thin) meme against what most of us here might agree is a different, but much more clearly false meme (Goode stories) while we have what may be the most legitimate of all meme's - integrity based, document laden research of a far less sensational but far more likely to exist 'un-publicized space program.'

[Dreamtimer]

In the Big Picture, the under layers are hard to pinpoint. I agree in the most likely existence of something akin to an SSP.

Also, there is very clearly a hidden layer of both human trafficking and pedophilia around the world. I don't believe people are foolish enough to believe that the former is only adults and the latter is only a specific group of perps. And it's very muddied in the dark waters of gun/drug/illicit trade.

As for the specific group of people involved here, those in the community influenced by Corey, Bill, and related stuff, it's even harder to know what's underneath. Each person only has part of the awareness and part of the role.

Since it appears that there was a strong reaction to Daniel by Corey and others, it seems to me he's coming back just as strong. But it's more than just drama. Because all of this stuff is connected. Darkness always hides in the secret places. And there are a lot of secret places here.

[Dumpster Diver]

Ohhh and also... in the DJ Part 4 of the series, and the implication Daniel seemed to set up in earlier parts... specifically I am talking about the "satanic" imagery associated with Ramsuer and used by Ramseur for years prior... could very well be nothing more than someone (Ramseur) thinking their marketability is enhanced, their image is enhanced by doing so... at least among their intended, targeted audience at that time. Of course, anyone who has some basic knowledge of the sub conscious and perhaps done some basic research into "magick" may also believe their usage of such imagery might affect the target audience in ways that benefit him. All sorts of "rock bands" and other media use this form of imagery, publicize their association with "the evil one" and believe this increases their market share.

So at this time I am feeling a bit disappointed that what is happening here is possibly the pitting of one possibly false (certainly thin) meme against what most of us here might agree is a different, but much more clearly false meme (Goode stories) while we have what may be the most legitimate of all meme's - integrity based, document laden research of a far less sensational but far more likely to exist 'un-publicized space program.'

Virtually every Metal band, and all the differing flavors of such have some elements of Satanic symboling, it's kind of ingrained in the culture. I know a lot of these people, and they typically are a cross section of normal folks who just like Metal. Most of them think it is all just "stuff" to sell the music, as I did until I ran into you alt-world guys.

[DNA]

Virtually every Metal band, and all the differing flavors of such have some elements of Satanic symboling, it's kind of ingrained in the culture. I know a lot of these people, and they typically are a cross section of normal folks who just like Metal. Most of them think it is all just "stuff" to sell the music, as I did until I ran into you alt-world guys.

Satanism is a subsect of Christianity in my opinion, just like Baptists or Catholics or Pentecostals.
You can not be a Satanist without giving credence to the Bible and it's teachings.
The Bible is the religious doctrine subscribed to by the masses in general in so far as the West is concerned.
Being a Satanist in name only is probably about as dangerous as being anything else in name alone.
Most of the Satanists from Rock and Roll lore are Satanists in name alone, I seriously doubt they attempted to open portals to alternate dimensions and feed non-organic life forms with human energy.
But Satanism is a recognized name brand, so when the elite wish to start grooming acolytes for the worship of beings far older than Christianity or Judaism for that matter, they start them off with Satanism.

Satanism and debauchery are inferred to serve as a "eyes wide shut" incentive to get participation.
Things start off with hookers, cocaine and masks.
And after a few years of this, at some point there is a bait and switch.
And things get so much worse than adult sex parties.

My suggestion is for folks to familiarize themselves with Sue Arrigo's narrative.
As of right now, I tend to believe her story, and it fills in the cracks in so far as understanding why the elite practice pedophilia so much and how and where they get their victims. http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/

[Dumpster Diver]

Satanism is a subsect of Christianity in my opinion, just like Baptists or Catholics or Pentecostals.
You can not be a Satanist without giving credence to the Bible and it's teachings.
The Bible is the religious doctrine subscribed to by the masses in general in so far as the West is concerned.
Being a Satanist in name only is probably about as dangerous as being anything else in name alone.
Most of the Satanists from Rock and Roll lore are Satanists in name alone, I seriously doubt they attempted to open portals to alternate dimensions and feed non-organic life forms with human energy.
But Satanism is a recognized name brand, so when the elite wish to start grooming acolytes for the worship of beings far older than Christianity or Judaism for that matter, they start them off with Satanism.

Satanism and debauchery are inferred to serve as a "eyes wide shut" incentive to get participation.
Things start off with hookers, cocaine and masks.
And after a few years of this, at some point there is a bait and switch.
And things get so much worse than adult sex parties.

My suggestion is for folks to familiarize themselves with Sue Arrigo's narrative.
As of right now, I tend to believe her story, and it fills in the cracks in so far as understanding why the elite practice pedophilia so much and how and where they get their victims. http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/

Thanks for the reference, I'll plow thru these but I think I know where all this is going. It'll be interesting to compare notes.

[Lord Sidious]

Virtually every Metal band, and all the differing flavors of such have some elements of Satanic symboling, it's kind of ingrained in the culture. I know a lot of these people, and they typically are a cross section of normal folks who just like Metal. Most of them think it is all just "stuff" to sell the music, as I did until I ran into you alt-world guys.

Being a long term metalhead, I disagree.
Some of them, like Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden wrote songs about it, from the perspective of dreams that members had and then people went ballistic.............

[Dumpster Diver]

Being a long term metalhead, I disagree.
Some of them, like Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden wrote songs about it, from the perspective of dreams that members had and then people went ballistic.............

When you are inside a cult, it's hard to understand you are in a cult.

[Lord Sidious]

When you are inside a cult, it's hard to understand you are in a cult.

Who is inside a cult?
Don't be a nugget all your life...............

[donk]

Satanism has little to do with being lied to by "authority" (in a general sense...and in this case)

This sh!t is getting silly......

.....again

[Aianawa]

Again lol, thread is stretching, tumbling, veering but seems to have a destination.

[Aragorn]

Satanism is a subsect of Christianity in my opinion, just like Baptists or Catholics or Pentecostals.
You can not be a Satanist without giving credence to the Bible and it's teachings.

Yes and no. Anton LaVey, the founder of the Church of Satan, was actually an atheist. He saw the character of Satan only as a metaphor.

Of course, from the religious perspective, the character of Satan as described in the Old Testament was given an entirely new meaning after the Roman Catholic Church became an empire, just as they did with the story of Mary Magdalene, and then later on — through the King James translation of the Bible — with the until then non-existing character of Lucifer.



The name Satan is a derivative of the Hebrew word "haschatan" (or "shaítan" in Arabic), and it means "the adversary, the opponent". In the Old Testament, the Satan — note the article "the", which indicates that the word "Satan" is a noun and possibly a title, not a name — is a celestial being who resides in the presence of Yahweh, and who serves the same role as the prosecutor in a court of law. He points out Man's flaws before Yahweh.

This is most prominently described in the Book of Job, and in that regard, it also needs being mentioned that none of Job's ordeals were brought upon him by the Satan. Instead, it was Yahweh himself who, in order to prove the Satan wrong, put Job through all of his misery.

Furthermore, in the Old Testament, angels are not beings with Free Will. Instead, they are emanations of Yahweh, and thus they are mere avatars who represent distinct characteristics of Yahweh's own mind. This further emphasizes that even the highlighting of Man's imperfections by the Satan was actually an externalized thought of Yahweh, rather than that of an independent being.

The fall of the Grigori (the Watchers), who came to Earth to mate with "the Daughters of Men", does suggest that angels would have had Free Will, but the Grigori were most likely extraterrestrial beings, not angels. The tales of the Grigori and of their offspring, the Nephilim, are either way non-canonical.



The character of Mary Magdalene has been equated by the Roman Catholic Church to the prostitute whom Yeshua saved from stoning. However, nowhere in the Bible is said prostitute referred to by name, while Mary Magdalene was already mentioned by the scriptures before the tale of the prostitute who was saved from stoning, and she was a highly educated young woman from a respected family, who was in love with Yeshua — there is a passage where Yeshua visits Mary Magdalene and her family, and where she then washes Yeshua's feet and dries them off again with her own hair.

Leonardo da Vinci and others also knew that Mary Magdalene was the Prime Apostle above and before all others — like Yeshua, she had spent quite some time with the Qumran people who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls — and that she and Yeshua ended up getting married, and had three children together.

However, the Roman Catholic Church was founded by Peter and Paul, and Peter, in spite of the fact that he himself was married, was a misogynist who couldn't bear the thought of a woman having authority over him. He deemed women unworthy, and this is why Mary Magdalene became equated to the prostitute saved by Yeshua, why Roman Catholic priests are required to take a vow of celibacy, and why women cannot be ordained as priest(esse)s in the Roman Catholic Church.

The scriptures were further modified to have Mary Magdalene's name substituted by John where they referred to her as the Apostle most loved by Yeshua, and to have Peter — whose real name was actually Simon — become the disciple most trusted by Yeshua. The name Peter — or Petrus in Latin — means "rock", and refers to the alleged words of Yeshua that Peter was the rock that he would build his church upon. The leaning character to the left of Yeshua — or to his right, from his own perspective — in Leonardo da Vinci's The Last Supper is said by Catholics to be John, but was in fact meant by da Vinci to portray Mary Magdalene.



The name Lucifer stems from a mistranslation in the King James version of the Bible and only exists in the Anglo-Saxon countries, even though the Roman Catholic Church has later on adopted it as the name of a supposedly real entity, who would have been the first and highest of all angels, and who fell from grace because of his arrogance.

The passage in the New Testament where the alleged name Lucifer occurs is actually a very sarcastic letter written to the then-king of Babylon. In said letter, the king of Babylon is referred to as "a bearer of light" — which is what the Latin word "lucifer" literally means — and he is allegorically described as having fallen from grace because of his corruption. However, Lucifer was not a proper name, and the character to whom the letter was addressed was a mortal man.

Furthermore, given that — as I wrote higher up already — angels were regarded in the Old Testament as not having Free Will, it would have been incongruous for an angel to fall from grace.

[Aianawa]

Clears that up plus learnt a couple of things, cheers

[DNA]

Yes and no. Anton LaVey, the founder of the Church of Satan, was actually an atheist. He saw the character of Satan only as a metaphor.
Satanism existed long before Anton LeVey. I'm guessing the 20+ million women burned alive in Europe during the middle ages didn't have to have one of LeVey's satanic bibles on them in order for the catholic inquisition to sentence them.
I don't really give Anton LeVey a lot of credit for anything except being opportunistic.



Of course, from the religious perspective, the character of Satan as described in the Old Testament was given an entirely new meaning after the Roman Catholic Church became an empire, just as they did with the story of Mary Magdalene, and then later on — through the King James translation of the Bible — with the until then non-existing character of Lucifer.



The name Satan is a derivative of the Hebrew word "haschatan" (or "shaítan" in Arabic), and it means "the adversary, the opponent". In the Old Testament, the Satan — note the article "the", which indicates that the word "Satan" is a noun and possibly a title, not a name — is a celestial being who resides in the presence of Yahweh, and who serves the same role as the prosecutor in a court of law. He points out Man's flaws before Yahweh.

This is most prominently described in the Book of Job, and in that regard, it also needs being mentioned that none of Job's ordeals were brought upon him by the Satan. Instead, it was Yahweh himself who, in order to prove the Satan wrong, put Job through all of his misery.

Furthermore, in the Old Testament, angels are not beings with Free Will. Instead, they are emanations of Yahweh, and thus they are mere avatars who represent distinct characteristics of Yahweh's own mind. This further emphasizes that even the highlighting of Man's imperfections by the Satan was actually an externalized thought of Yahweh, rather than that of an independent being.

The fall of the Grigori (the Watchers), who came to Earth to mate with "the Daughters of Men", does suggest that angels would have had Free Will, but the Grigori were most likely extraterrestrial beings, not angels. The tales of the Grigori and of their offspring, the Nephilim, are either way non-canonical.



The character of Mary Magdalene has been equated by the Roman Catholic Church to the prostitute whom Yeshua saved from stoning. However, nowhere in the Bible is said prostitute referred to by name, while Mary Magdalene was already mentioned by the scriptures before the tale of the prostitute who was saved from stoning, and she was a highly educated young woman from a respected family, who was in love with Yeshua — there is a passage where Yeshua visits Mary Magdalene and her family, and where she then washes Yeshua's feet and dries them off again with her own hair.

Leonardo da Vinci and others also knew that Mary Magdalene was the Prime Apostle above and before all others — like Yeshua, she had spent quite some time with the Qumran people who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls — and that she and Yeshua ended up getting married, and had three children together.

However, the Roman Catholic Church was founded by Peter and Paul, and Peter, in spite of the fact that he himself was married, was a misogynist who couldn't bear the thought of a woman having authority over him. He deemed women unworthy, and this is why Mary Magdalene became equated to the prostitute saved by Yeshua, why Roman Catholic priests are required to take a vow of celibacy, and why women cannot be ordained as priest(esse)s in the Roman Catholic Church.

The scriptures were further modified to have Mary Magdalene's name substituted by John where they referred to her as the Apostle most loved by Yeshua, and to have Peter — whose real name was actually Simon — become the disciple most trusted by Yeshua. The name Peter — or Petrus in Latin — means "rock", and refers to the alleged words of Yeshua that Peter was the rock that he would build his church upon. The leaning character to the left of Yeshua — or to his right, from his own perspective — in Leonardo da Vinci's The Last Supper is said by Catholics to be John, but was in fact meant by da Vinci to portray Mary Magdalene.



The name Lucifer stems from a mistranslation in the King James version of the Bible and only exists in the Anglo-Saxon countries, even though the Roman Catholic Church has later on adopted it as the name of a supposedly real entity, who would have been the first and highest of all angels, and who fell from grace because of his arrogance.

The passage in the New Testament where the alleged name Lucifer occurs is actually a very sarcastic letter written to the then-king of Babylon. In said letter, the king of Babylon is referred to as "a bearer of light" — which is what the Latin word "lucifer" literally means — and he is allegorically described as having fallen from grace because of his corruption. However, Lucifer was not a proper name, and the character to whom the letter was addressed was a mortal man.

Furthermore, given that — as I wrote higher up already — angels were regarded in the Old Testament as not having Free Will, it would have been incongruous for an angel to fall from grace.


All of what you say here has bearing, but as far as I'm concerned the most important aspect of the conversation would be in pointing out that Satan does not come from Judaism, the Satan figure is a derivative of Angra Manu, the evil counterpart to Ahura Mazda according to Zoroastriansim.
Judaism had a contemporary monotheistic counterpart in Zoroastrianism, with the added bonus that Zoroastrianism had a dualistic principled form of Monotheism with an evil deity to balance out the good creator deity. Judaism borrowed this and thus you have Satan/Lucifer.
From what I understand the Persians absolutely abhorred polytheism, and nothing exemplified this more than Hinduism.
The Persians disliked polytheism so much that they took the Hindu word Deva and turned it into Devil.

Now as interesting as all of this religious talk is, I don't think the errors matter that much.
All through ancient history, and really right up to modern times we have the practice of human sacrifice.
A good question to ask would be "why is human sacrifice so prevalent throughout human history and across pretty much every single culture out there".
Regardless of the name, is there a dark force, a dark god or gods who influence mankind with this kind of behavior?
Are we under spiritual attack from unseen forces?
Or is the human race simply predisposed to superstitious behavior?
Has mankind simply been inventing a boogeyman? Or is there something real we are intuiting?

[Chester]

When you are inside a cult, it's hard to understand you are in a cult.

I am in a cult. The Cult of 3D. But I know it.

I know that I have become convinced (either by myself, others or both) that I am Sam Hunter and that "Sam Hunter" thinks "he" wakes up each morning and exists within a limitation we call "a body" that exists within a perceived "shared reality" we call 3D.

[Chester]

Satanism has little to do with being lied to by "authority" (in a general sense...and in this case)

This sh!t is getting silly......

.....again

I have tried many times to understand the first statement... are you saying Corey is "authority"? Or at least attempting to be?

also... if interested, there's a pretty darn good discussion as to "what is Satanism" in this interesting interview of Michael Aquino done by Miles Johnston ... the "satanism" stuff is discussed about midway.

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[TargeT]

We know existence is fractal, we know that duality is the reason reality exists (with out duality as a means of reference, there is no reference) and of course it's a gradient scale, not an absolute one (duality).

so of course this struggle has to exist, in many contexts;but I wonder if the duality struggle we experience is the hampster-wheel that keeps reality going... after all, we really don't know who the piper is that plays this song we all dance to.. picking our sides, drawing out lines in the sand .

or maybe I just haven't slept enough.

[Chester]

... and I should have added that Aquino seemed to completely avoid what is known as "theistic Satanism" - here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_Satanism)

...yet I am aware that Aquino believes he communicated with the 'Egyptian god,' "Set," back in 1974 (and perhaps after that as well) and some folks equate "Set" with "Satan" but I, personally see that as a conflation.

[Dumpster Diver]

However, the Roman Catholic Church was founded by Peter and Paul, and Peter, in spite of the fact that he himself was married, was a misogynist who couldn't bear the thought of a woman having authority over him. He deemed women unworthy, and this is why Mary Magdalene became equated to the prostitute saved by Yeshua, why Roman Catholic priests are required to take a vow of celibacy, and why women cannot be ordained as priest(esse)s in the Roman Catholic Church.


Not so fast, I read the vow of celibacy happened much later:

from: http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/03/when-did-the-catholic-church-decide-priests-should-be-celibate/

"The first written mandate requiring priests to be chaste came in AD 304. Canon 33 of the Council of Elvira stated that all “bishops, presbyters, and deacons and all other clerics” were to “abstain completely from their wives and not to have children.” A short time later, in 325, the Council of Nicea, convened by Constantine, rejected a ban on priests marrying requested by Spanish clerics.

The practice of priestly celibacy began to spread in the Western Church in the early Middle Ages. In the early 11th century Pope Benedict VIII responded to the decline in priestly morality by issuing a rule prohibiting the children of priests from inheriting property. A few decades later Pope Gregory VII issued a decree against clerical marriages.

The Church was a thousand years old before it definitively took a stand in favor of celibacy in the twelfth century at the Second Lateran Council held in 1139, when a rule was approved forbidding priests to marry. In 1563, the Council of Trent reaffirmed the tradition of celibacy."

Or do you have other evidence?

[Chester]

We know existence is fractal, we know that duality is the reason reality exists (with out duality as a means of reference, there is no reference) and of course it's a gradient scale, not an absolute one (duality).

so of course this struggle has to exist, in many contexts;but I wonder if the duality struggle we experience is the hampster-wheel that keeps reality going... after all, we really don't know who the piper is that plays this song we all dance to.. picking our sides, drawing out lines in the sand .

or maybe I just haven't slept enough.

I have answered this question as to "the who/what" is behind it BUT I must emphasize that the answer I currently hold is not meant to be true for anyone else. In addition, like all of my conclusions (which I call 'operational assumptions') I am capable of completely discarding it or drastically changing it at any time and for any reason.

Yet in case someone might be curious, I have described it all in this short piece I authored one day a few years ago -


“I (as us all) am (are)

simply the ‘All that Is’

that found a way to trick Itself

that It wasn't Itself

and simultaneously

hid Itself within Itself

such that It might (re)discover Itself

alive and individuated

within Its self-created Magick Kingdom.”

[Dreamtimer]

Isn't that really just the official codification of the very real foundation that Paul laid? His words were taken as Gospel. I'm not a Catholic, I just have some in my family.

[Dumpster Diver]

We know existence is fractal, we know that duality is the reason reality exists (with out duality as a means of reference, there is no reference) and of course it's a gradient scale, not an absolute one (duality).

so of course this struggle has to exist, in many contexts;but I wonder if the duality struggle we experience is the hampster-wheel that keeps reality going... after all, we really don't know who the piper is that plays this song we all dance to.. picking our sides, drawing out lines in the sand .


No, we don't know this:

A company just released a new "God Game" simulation where everything can be reset: physics can be changed, time travel is allowed, superluminal travel is allowed, magic is possible, astrology works, multi-dimensions are possible, Gods, demigods, demons, thousand of ETs (negative and positive) populating the stars and planets around the solar system are allowed.

Our 10 year old hero, Biff and his buddy Darth Nugget decide to start a game where everything crazy is preset into their game and it is started, i.e. all the above is allowed in the game.

We are the "hamsters" in this "simulation".

...after a few hours of play, Biff is called to dinner and told to shut down the computer but he and DN play again the next day...he does and this is where we achieve ascension: same hamsters, new game.

[Aragorn]

However, the Roman Catholic Church was founded by Peter and Paul, and Peter, in spite of the fact that he himself was married, was a misogynist who couldn't bear the thought of a woman having authority over him. He deemed women unworthy, and this is why Mary Magdalene became equated to the prostitute saved by Yeshua, why Roman Catholic priests are required to take a vow of celibacy, and why women cannot be ordained as priest(esse)s in the Roman Catholic Church.

Not so fast, I read the vow of celibacy happened much later:

from: http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/03/when-did-the-catholic-church-decide-priests-should-be-celibate/

"The first written mandate requiring priests to be chaste came in AD 304. Canon 33 of the Council of Elvira stated that all “bishops, presbyters, and deacons and all other clerics” were to “abstain completely from their wives and not to have children.” A short time later, in 325, the Council of Nicea, convened by Constantine, rejected a ban on priests marrying requested by Spanish clerics.

The practice of priestly celibacy began to spread in the Western Church in the early Middle Ages. In the early 11th century Pope Benedict VIII responded to the decline in priestly morality by issuing a rule prohibiting the children of priests from inheriting property. A few decades later Pope Gregory VII issued a decree against clerical marriages.

The Church was a thousand years old before it definitively took a stand in favor of celibacy in the twelfth century at the Second Lateran Council held in 1139, when a rule was approved forbidding priests to marry. In 1563, the Council of Trent reaffirmed the tradition of celibacy."

Or do you have other evidence?

I apologize if I made it sound as if Peter was the one who institutionalized celibacy as a requirement of priesthood. That would of course have been misinformation.

Peter's misogyny was the reason why Mary Magdalene's name would become supplanted with that of John in several of the scriptures, and that she was to be equated with the prostitute saved by Yeshua later on. It was also this misogyny which later on became more prominent among Peter's followers and which led to the forced celibacy as laid out by you here-above.

All of these things happened long after Peter had already died, when the Roman Catholic Church started growing from a religious organization into an actual empire with no separation between religion and state. But it was all in the spirit of what Peter (and Paul) stood for.

[Dumpster Diver]

I apologize if I made it sound as if Peter was the one who institutionalized celibacy as a requirement of priesthood. That would of course have been misinformation.

Peter's misogyny was the reason why Mary Magdalene's name would become supplanted with that of John in several of the scriptures, and that she was to be equated with the prostitute saved by Yeshua later on. It was also this misogyny which later on became more prominent among Peter's followers and which led to the forced celibacy as laid out by you here-above.

All of these things happened long after Peter had already died, when the Roman Catholic Church started growing from a religious organization into an actual empire with no separation between religion and state. But it was all in the spirit of what Peter (and Paul) stood for.

No problem, it was sort of unclear.

I'll not repost my view of it as we've gone far afield of the OP topic anyway.

[Dumpster Diver]

Posted in another thread by Aragorn. Excellent post and quite important not only for the information itself but for this thread as well, perhaps getting it back on track:

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Without wanting to get into the veracity of Corey Goode's claims regarding his participation in the Secret Space Program as a delegate and his encounters with all kinds of colorful extraterrestrial and hyperdimensional beings, I do feel that I have to state the following.

I have in the past been friends with Corey for several months — a friendship which started when Corey and I were both still registered as members at Project Avalon, and which had nothing to do with the Secret Space Program material, but rather with the way Corey and Stacy were essentially bullied off of Project Avalon — and I know that Corey has at least a fair amount of IT-related knowledge. I've been involved with IT myself, and even though I won't call myself a specialist, I know enough to recognize another person's knowledge in the field as legitimate or not.

Ilie Pandia and Paul, both of whom are Project Avalon administrators, do have a qualification in IT. They are both very good at coding. But that doesn't take away that their alleged opinions on Corey Goode's IT qualifications were brought to "the Dark Journalist" by way of Bill Ryan, who has an ax to grind when it comes to Corey Goode, and who is quite known for his uncanny talent at presenting things out of context — if I sound like I'm weighing my words, then it's because I am.

During the last months of his membership at Project Avalon, Corey had been sent a 72-page hard copy of an FBI file on Bill Ryan by one of Corey's InfraGard contacts, and ever since then, Corey Goode has been a thorn in Bill Ryan's eye, because Bill Ryan is an obsessive-compulsive narcissist, and he was absolutely convinced at the time that Corey's intent was to use the information in said FBI file against him. Bill Ryan's obsession with Corey and his emotional shock when he found out that Corey had a copy of said FBI file, were so intense that Mr. Ryan literally threatened his then-wife Christine Anderson with "physical harm" if she wouldn't leave the room — and that's an understatement of what he really threatened Christine with.

In response to his own paranoid perception of Corey Goode's presumed intentions with the FBI file, Bill Ryan started a preemptive strike and tried to publicly defame Corey off of Project Avalon. Corey himself retaliated by publishing some of Bill Ryan's dirty laundry on his blog, but he has since then removed that again. David Wilcock was one of the witnesses to all of the above, as were I myself and several other then-Avalon members.

Recently, Bill Ryan has been using Corey Goode as a case study example in a few threads over at Project Avalon. He could easily have picked one of his other former endorsees — Stephen "Charles" Hodges, Inelia Benz, Simon Parkes, Shane "The Ruiner" Bales, et al — for such a case study, but he decided to home in on Corey Goode again, probably with the intent of once again defaming Corey, as well as Corey's supporter, David Wilcock.

Furthermore, Bill Ryan uses screenshots of a Skype conversation on a smartphone between Corey Goode and another individual as evidence of Corey's foul play, while citing the other individual (who provided the screenshots) as "an intelligence insider".

Yet, this very "intelligence insider" is none other than Shane "The Ruiner" Bales, a man who himself decided to take the entire so-called "alt community" for a ride by way of his Ruiner blog, in which he claimed to be an Illuminati insider, and in which he told the most fantastic tales of alleged encounters with extraterrestrial giants who are hibernating in mounds here on Earth, 1000-year-old vampires, and similar Baron von Munchausen stories — all of which Shane has in the meantime admitted to as being mere fabrications, albeit that he never admitted this in public.

What's even more stunning is that Bill Ryan knows all too well that Shane Bales — who is a former Project Avalon moderator and who is still a member there at present time — was "the Ruiner", because he had even intended to interview Shane regarding "his material", but then he canceled his plans for that interview when the truth came out regarding Shane's little storytelling game. And therefore, Bill Ryan also knows all too well that Shane Bales is not an intelligence insider.

By consequence, when Bill Ryan uses the screenshots that Shane gave him — and which could be interpreted in a whole variety of ways — as evidence that Corey Goode would be a deliberate fraud, while at the same time claiming that those screenshots were handed to him by a supposed intelligence insider who isn't an intelligence insider, then one can only surmise that Bill Ryan's recent campaign against Corey Goode is an act of intentional malevolence — breathing new life into an old personal vendetta — regardless of whether Corey's story about his alleged experiences with the Secret Space Program is true or not.


The staff of The One Truth had already seen these very screenshots a long time ago. They were presented to us by Shane Bales himself when he and Corey Goode were still members at our forum.




Note: I had promised myself that I wouldn't be saying anything about Bill Ryan anymore, because several of our members still hold the man in high esteem, and I myself have as such already been harshly attacked several times because of my opinions. However, the truth is what it is, and I'm not going to lie about the facts just to appease Bill Ryan's fans.

Whether Corey's recount of his involvement with the Secret Space Program is true or not, he's human too, and if people wish to think of Bill Ryan as a saintly researcher, then they should at the very least also refrain from accusing Corey and his family of foul play without any solid evidence of such. Nobody is without flaws, and I know for a fact that Corey has quite a lot of them. But neither Corey nor Stacy are malevolent, which is unfortunately not something I can say of Bill Ryan.

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[Chester]

Are you aware, DD, that Corey has a history of making threats? Perhaps if you are aware of this, you might be a bit more understanding as to Bill's "concerns."

I also noticed how you mis-characterized things Bill stated and I wonder why you would do that?

And I am not here to defend Bill. I just feel it is important to state things accurately.

[Dumpster Diver]

Are you aware, DD, that Corey has a history of making threats? Perhaps if you are aware of this, you might be a bit more understanding as to Bill's "concerns."

I also noticed how you mis-characterized things Bill stated and I wonder why you would do that?

And I am not here to defend Bill. I just feel it is important to state things accurately.

Sam, I hope you haven't gotten the impression that I am a defender of CG; go back an reread my posts here in this thread to see this as I've mostly poked fun at him and I write about my view of this all being psyop operation, possibly with bad-guys controlling both sides.

Some evidence: BR is a Scientologist, or certainly admits to being trained by them and has admitted having considerable skills in the mind-control area.

Scientologists tend to create cults. Avalon exhibits cultish behavior. Therefore Avalon could be the Alt-World's version of Jonestown with BR at the head, and/or he uses Avalon to pinpoint MILABs gone rogue, etc, for his possible controllers. My view is the Scientology "religon" is also a psyop.

From my background in the military and specifically counter intelligence, BR's cultivation of CG and now "exposure" has all the earmarks of a psyop.

...my training sez: if it quacks, waddles, has pinfeathers and webbed feet, it might just be a duck.

BTW, rather than speak in generalities; you say I misquoted BR, why don't you point out the misquotes?

[Lord Sidious]

Are you aware, DD, that Corey has a history of making threats? Perhaps if you are aware of this, you might be a bit more understanding as to Bill's "concerns."

I also noticed how you mis-characterized things Bill stated and I wonder why you would do that?

And I am not here to defend Bill. I just feel it is important to state things accurately.

Bill has been known to make threats as well

[Chester]

BTW, rather than speak in generalities; you say I misquoted BR, why don't you point out the misquotes?

Please re-read what I wrote - I never stated you 'misquoted' BR. I stated "you mis-characterized things Bill stated."

I am glad to have a conversation with you but it must remain accurate in detail as for me - these details matter.

[Dumpster Diver]

Please re-read what I wrote - I never stated you 'misquoted' BR. I stated "you mis-characterized things Bill stated."

I am glad to have a conversation with you but it must remain accurate in detail as for me - these details matter.

And which are those characterizations? That he is a Scientologist? Yeah, maybe he's not in the church now. That he uses their mind-control methods? He stated exactly that, I found it on Avalon, copied it, and I posted it here somewhere on TOT in response to one of Donk's posts. That he is using proven psyop methods? Been there, done that, taught the course (while I was in NATO)...it's the duck analogy...but I doubt he'd be dumb enough to admit it, but then again I haven't read all of "The Avalon Files."

Mind-control, Scientologists & MK-ULTRA methods ----> psyop capability ....I can draw a pretty straight line.

BUT, at the end of the day, BR is only interested in having it his own way. He should be interested in getting the muggles to wake the f**k up to the issues with the Deep State; so push down the petty disagreements, bury the hatchet, etc. and go after getting folks to see these much larger, more important issues. As it is, he is setting the fuse on a very destructive climax for all concerned: implosion of the alt-world in internecine bloodletting.

At best I see: BR is jealous of the money and/or celebrity (and very destructive of "the cause"), at worst he is a closet operative (and very destructive of "the cause")...no, scratch that, at worse he is a shape-shifting Reptilian :hilarious:

[Aragorn]

Bill has been known to make threats as well



"Get out of the room or I'll kill you."

Bill Ryan to Christine Anderson, when he found out that Corey Goode had a 72-page hard copy of an FBI file on him.

[Chester]

"Get out of the room or I'll kill you."

Bill Ryan to Christine Anderson, when he found out that Corey Goode had a 72-page hard copy of an FBI file on him.

Sadly that statement was not witnessed, Aragorn. Neither was there another witness to "the three mantids that accompanied Bill as he walked down the hall." But also, there is no witness to my being told that either so if my claim of being told that is denied then the readers will have to decide who to believe. I happen to take pretty good notes and at one time gave "the benefit of the doubt" to folks who, based on what I have read and heard since, have caused me to be concerned about what may be the actual truth(s). Usually there are two sides and then there's the actual truth. I find that far more often to be the case when it is he said / she said situations.

My point is that there are courts of law for a reason. And in court cases there is something known as a prejudicial witness. In cases such as that, the "testimony" is often disregarded by a jury when that prejudice is established or disallowed by the judge before it is brought before the jury. Just keep that in mind folks.

[Dumpster Diver]

Sam, if you haven't already, you may want to read the last few entries in the Cosmic Emporium thread concerning the Randy Maugan's interview with Andy Basiago. In that interview, Basiago asserts that BR is running a psyop operation and gives his own logic trail along with a lot of other "insider" alt-world dirt.

I consider it a bombshell interview. Must reading for all here at TOT.

[Aragorn]

Sadly that statement was not witnessed, Aragorn. Neither was there another witness to "the three mantids that accompanied Bill as he walked down the hall." But also, there is no witness to my being told that either so if my claim of being told that is denied then the readers will have to decide who to believe. I happen to take pretty good notes and at one time gave "the benefit of the doubt" to folks who, based on what I have read and heard since, have caused me to be concerned about what may be the actual truth(s). Usually there are two sides and then there's the actual truth. I find that far more often to be the case when it is he said / she said situations.

My point is that there are courts of law for a reason. And in court cases there is something known as a prejudicial witness. In cases such as that, the "testimony" is often disregarded by a jury when that prejudice is established or disallowed by the judge before it is brought before the jury. Just keep that in mind folks.

Well, it looks like you've already made up your mind then, doesn't it, Sam? :rolleyes:

All I know is this: Christine is an honorable woman, and while I do not always agree with her opinions, she has never lied to me before. Bill Ryan on the other hand already has, several times, both to myself directly and to other people, including to Daniel Liszt, when he claimed that those smartphone screenshots were handed to him by "an intelligence insider whose identity he wasn't willing to reveal just yet", while we all know that those screenshots came from Shane Bales, and that Shane Bales is no more an intelligence insider than that he taught Vladimir Putin how to communicate via telepathy on board of a spaceship when he was 13 years old.

So on the one hand, you've got a proven liar and ruthless manipulator who's obsessed with his public image and who is known as a very vindictive man, and on the other hand, you've got a woman of integrity who, in spite of her bravery, was so freaked out by her husband's threat to her that she instantly packed her bags and left him, knowing that their marriage would be over forever.

To quote Outlander, cut off my legs and call me Shorty, but I know which one of those two people I'm going to believe on account of what transpired in that house in Vilcabamba, Ecuador on that day, one week before Christmas 2014.


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:getcoat:

[Dreamtimer]

...he taught Vladimir Putin how to communicate via telepathy on board of a spaceship when he was 13 years old.

:lol::hilarious:God, I forgot that, Aragorn. Having just watched the interviews it's extra funny now.:ha:

[Dumpster Diver]

Copying the Maugans-Moyer/Basiago Vidos for this thread:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ins1TwPodmk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdMUg6RCTYE

[Dumpster Diver]

In these videos, Basiago comments on both CG and DW.

CG first: Basiago claims that CG "tailgated" the Antarctic revelations by revealing CG had been to Antartica too. Actually, CG revealed on his website at least 6 months before that the Agarthans took him on a flight in a cloaked cigar-shaped ship through caverns in Antartica. So it's was not a follow-on "tailgate," me-too experience. So CG was actually talking about Antartica well before the cavalcade journeys of John Kerry, Russian Pope, et.al. to the frozen continent. Another claim that CG again "copied" three other Mars travelers before him and says the probability is quite low to happen by chance, therefore is a prevarication on CG's part. Unfortunately, Basiago is a great linguist, but a poor statistician. Events that are highly correlated can have the chance of happening not be all that extraordinary. If this is the best proof Andy can come up with for CG being a liar, it is a very low bar. I think CG has other issues, but Basiago didn't really go there. But on the other hand, Basiago certainly harpooned BR's effort to smear CG as a COINTELPRO operation run by BR. That's actually an narrow FBI operational term, but I see Basiago's point of it being in the area of a psyop from the rest of his surrounding comments.

As for DW: Basiago states three things by way of introduction of CG in the LA seance in Jan/Feb 2016 (I believe). A stretch as well. A better example are the pratfalls DW inserts in his Wisdom Teachings occasionally; for example these past two weeks DW is commenting on the comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 being 9 pieces of asteroid and then shows pieces labeled a thru w (18 fragments) in a picture of the cometary fragments just a few frames later. Wrong! SL9 was the 9th comet Astronomers Carolyn and Eugene M. Shoemaker and David Levy had found working together. You've got to work to dig this out, but as an amateur astronomer myself and being around when it happened, I had a giggle. DW needs to vet his asides better; he does add in a little too much cream to his talks on occasion. But mostly, DW is giving out hard, verifiable info in his WT videos. He is much, much better than most in this regard and I would put him at a level as good at Dolan or even better in WT.

So, I think Basiago's attempt to "throw some dirt" on CG and DW is a reach and tends to the level of being weak to laughable. But I'm sure Basiago wanted to put some distance between himself and the Gaia Twins to improve his "street credibility" with Maugans who is on record as disparaging CG's Blue Bird story at minimum.

[DNA]

In these videos, Basiago comments on both CG and DW.

CG first: Basiago claims that CG "tailgated" the Antarctic revelations by revealing CG had been to Antartica too. Actually, CG revealed on his website at least 6 months before that the Agarthans took him on a flight in a cloaked cigar-shaped ship through caverns in Antartica. So it's was not a follow-on "tailgate," me-too experience. So CG was actually talking about Antartica well before the cavalcade journeys of John Kerry, Russian Pope, et.al. to the frozen continent. Another claim that CG again "copied" three other Mars travelers before him and says the probability is quite low to happen by chance, therefore is a prevarication on CG's part. Unfortunately, Basiago is a great linguist, but a poor statistician. Events that are highly correlated can have the chance of happening not be all that extraordinary. If this is the best proof Andy can come up with for CG being a liar, it is a very low bar. I think CG has other issues, but Basiago didn't really go there. But on the other hand, Basiago certainly harpooned BR's effort to smear CG as a COINTELPRO operation run by BR. That's actually an narrow FBI operational term, but I see Basiago's point of it being in the area of a psyop from the rest of his surrounding comments.

As for DW: Basiago states three things by way of introduction of CG in the LA seance in Jan/Feb 2016 (I believe). A stretch as well. A better example are the pratfalls DW inserts in his Wisdom Teachings occasionally; for example these past two weeks DW is commenting on the comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 being 9 pieces of asteroid and then shows pieces labeled a thru w (18 fragments) in a picture of the cometary fragments just a few frames later. Wrong! SL9 was the 9th comet Astronomers Carolyn and Eugene M. Shoemaker and David Levy had found working together. You've got to work to dig this out, but as an amateur astronomer myself and being around when it happened, I had a giggle. DW needs to vet his asides better; he does add in a little too much cream to his talks on occasion. But mostly, DW is giving out hard, verifiable info in his WT videos. He is much, much better than most in this regard and I would put him at a level as good at Dolan or even better in WT.

So, I think Basiago's attempt to "throw some dirt" on CG and DW is a reach and tends to the level of being weak to laughable. But I'm sure Basiago wanted to put some distance between himself and the Gaia Twins to improve his "street credibility" with Maugans who is on record as disparaging CG's Blue Bird story at minimum.
You do an excellent job here of describing the videos, thank you for that.
Giving a in depth description on posted videos is kind of a lost art in my opinion.
I would love to know the time stamp on the BR comment.
I'm listening to the second video now and if I catch it I'll post it.
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6:00 into the second video things get interesting.
Basiago states that Richard Dolan was kind of a dick to him in so far as meeting him and what Dolan has stated about Basiago via other interviews has not been kind either.
Basiago also states that Dolan better watch his ass or Basiago is going to sue him in court for defamation.
Basiago states that he was treated rather poorly by Richard Hoagland as well, who stated that Basiago was not even real that he was a CIA story that was made up.
Synthetic Activists <----- Pretty funny a pretty cool phrase. He goes on to say he has beef with Greer who has dogged him and Alfred Webre who has championed Basiago's story. Basiago states that Greer is known to have had a career at the CIA... That's interesting.
Basiago states that the CIA is one of the unheralded space agencies.
Hmm, that is interesting. And pretty scary to think that the CIA may have space travel.
At 26:00 into the second video Basiago states "my good name has totally been bismirched by these jackals and I'm through turning the other cheek, if they keep it up I will see them in court", dude sounds ****ed.
Basiago then goes on to say that some of these folks are Government operatives who have been sent forth to destroy or obfuscate the truth movement.
At 32:00 in he talks of Ed Dames and he states that millitary folks can never be trusted as full whistle blowers.
Ed Dames, Basiago states was a instructor involved with Mars.
Linda Moulton Howe has had Basiago investigated, and would not meet with Basiago.
36:30 into the second video is when Basiago starts to mention Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy.
Basiago states that he has had extensive interaction with both Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy over the years.
Wow, Basiago states that he believes both to be operatives of the intelligence agencies sent to destroy the truth movement.
He says he approached BR and KC in 2007 and he felt that Jeff Rense was right in his assessment that these two were intelligence operatives.
He says he was given a particularly hard time by Kerry Cassidy, which is weird because Kerry basically believes every piece of BS that shows up on her door step.
He says Kerry then pushed for Basiago to be interviewed by a Beverly Hills shrink.
He says Kerry and BR have both stated that Basiago has screen memories, something most of us have heard.
Basiago goes on to state that BR and Kerry Cassidy are Government agents who have been planted to attack the truth movement.

[DNA]

All I know is this: Christine is an honorable woman, and while I do not always agree with her opinions, she has never lied to me before.

I never, absolutely never would put much stock in the "this is how it ended" narrative in so far as relationships are concerned.
People are sometimes incapable of remembering how things really happened when emotions are running high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DSlm_yJALQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DSlm_yJALQ

[Dumpster Diver]

You do an excellent job here of describing the videos, thank you for that.
Giving a in depth description on posted videos is kind of a lost art in my opinion.
I would love to know the time stamp on the BR comment.
I'm listening to the second video now and if I catch it I'll post it.

Sorry I didn't mark the CG & DW comments on video time location, DNA. I just didn't think about it. I only cover a very small section of the last part of the 1st video as I was only focusing on CG (and DW) for the thread topic...oh, and Basiago's comments on BR from, I think, the 2nd video.

I do think Basiago is extraordinary in his clarity. He really doesn't come off as having been the subject of a mind-control project. And frankly, I found myself wishing I could string together thoughts and words in real time so clearly and succinctly as Basiago's dialog. Maugans' and Moyer's speech sounded slurred and muddy by comparison, jarring; like they were on drugs. If MK-ULTRA leaves you with such glibness, I found myself wondering if I had I "missed out."

Basiago covers a lot of ground in these videos. I want to find a transcript and use it to hunt down his thoughts on several people he mentioned. So for me, these are important tapes. As I recall, Basiago's briefings were also quite good, worth researching if you have not seen them.

[Lord Sidious]

Jack Burns

[Gemma]

If MK-ULTRA leaves you with such glibness, I found myself wondering if I had I "missed out."




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdMUg6RCTYE


@ 41:00 Kerry [Cassidy] was badgering me so severely that I actually screwed up in what I was saying and I said “well that’s not true you just said, made me say something that’s not true”. And I stopped the filming and asked them to recap the question. I know what badgering is because I’m a trial lawyer, it’s my profession okay, I know what evidential objections are as well, her interview style was not fair . . .


You don’t think its fair, to interview like a polygraph when interviewing someone is all you’ve got, when they claim they’ve been to mars and back!

And this guy wants to run for president . . . seriously . . .

[Dreamtimer]

Actor. Writer. Is the implication that's it's all an act?

Being a lawyer is also a way of becoming smooth and careful in speech.

I started to listen to these but they kept hesitating. I'll try again.

[Paloma]

http://iamnotashamedofthegospelofchrist.files.wordpress.c om/2014/02/subud-founder.png
Founder of the Subud movement.

Obama is Subud's illegitimate son? So if he was trained to do the Latihan (a technique that takes one beyond space-time) that alone proves (to me, anyway) that he also can time travel.
I experienced something in my own life that showed me Subud was for real. Basagio deserves a lot more attention than anyone I ever listened to with those Camelot videos.
Gurdjieff teacher John Bennett became a follower of Subud in his later years.
His biography "Witness" gives interesting details. Soon after reading his book we hired a nanny for our child who turned out to have worked closely with Bennett, and she also confirmed that Subud was for real. She time traveled to the future and accurately predicted stuff that became reality, even though at the time I could never have imagined this ever happening.
Fascinating videos.

Found this e-book by John Bennett on Subud, which, by the way, is not a Muslim sect.
The guy happened to be born into a Muslim culture, but then had a personal revelation.
http://www.undiscoveredworldspress.com/concerningsubud.html

[heyokah]

Obama certainly looks like Subud.

[Fred Steeves]

If MK-ULTRA leaves you with such glibness, I found myself wondering if I had I "missed out."

You haven't "missed out", none of us have.

[Dumpster Diver]

"If MK-ULTRA leaves you with such glibness, I found myself wondering if I had I "missed out." > my earlier quote


You haven't "missed out", none of us have.

umm, well, it's called sarcasm. My poor writing capabilities probably didn't show it perhaps.

We have all been subjected to mind-control by the "Deep State": Main Stream Physicists when confronted by particles that behave differently when observed than when not, cannot consider that the particles may indeed be alive or that their consciousness is changing things BECAUSE they have been told in their coursework by the control-state educators that such things are impossible. Therefore, they cannot consider it because their minds have been altered through indoctrination and so nobody understands Quantum Mechanics and with not understanding, they can't make progress in a unified field theory so they build monster machines like CERN in a quest to understand the misunderstandable.

We have all been subjected to mind-control techniques and indoctrinated by our education, the main stream press, published books, etc. Basiago has perhaps been subjected to just a bit more than the rest of us. This does not mean he is mistaken in his beliefs. But neither does it means we take everything he says as wholly true. But he presents data that should be considered and tells a good story as well.

[Fred Steeves]

"If MK-ULTRA leaves you with such glibness, I found myself wondering if I had I "missed out." > my earlier quote


You haven't "missed out", none of us have.


umm, well, it's called sarcasm. My poor writing capabilities probably didn't show it perhaps.

I know you didn't mean that literally, but I wanted to use it to point out that MK type stuff is light years beyond what most people tend to consider. There's so many layers to this onion IMO, and you point out how some of this occurs in general societal terms.

I'm more referring to those involved in these forums, and some of the sensitive subjects combed through. Entering this realm brings one across the threshold of where the rubber really meets the road in terms of reality creation/manipulation, along with it's endless projects and experiments. Like entering the kitchen where the stew is being made.

There are benefits to be reaped as it's not all necessarily bad, but the traps and lures make that a rarity.

Anyway LOL, I'll stop there before I wind up inserting my head too far up my own ass.

[Dumpster Diver]

I know you didn't mean that literally, but I wanted to use it to point out that MK type stuff is light years beyond what most people tend to consider. There's so many layers to this onion IMO, and you point out how some of this occurs in general societal terms.

I'm more referring to those involved in these forums, and some of the sensitive subjects combed through. Entering this realm brings one across the threshold of where the rubber really meets the road in terms of reality creation/manipulation, along with it's endless projects and experiments. Like entering the kitchen where the stew is being made.

There are benefits to be reaped as it's not all necessarily bad, but the traps and lures make that a rarity.

Anyway LOL, I'll stop there before I wind up inserting my head too far up my own ass.

Sensitive people here at TOT? They can't be too sensitive as they tolerate a thoroughgoing a$$hole like me here. :flame:

[Aragorn]

Sensitive people here at TOT? They can't be too sensitive as they tolerate a thoroughgoing a$$hole like me here. :flame:

They are counting on the staff members to protect them from you. :p

[modwiz]

LOL. Forum wars with keyboard warriors. What a joke. They make it sound like fighting your way out of a bar. Been in a few of those and my nose is testament to how things went.:ttr:

[Lord Sidious]

All of what you say here has bearing, but as far as I'm concerned the most important aspect of the conversation would be in pointing out that Satan does not come from Judaism, the Satan figure is a derivative of Angra Manu, the evil counterpart to Ahura Mazda according to Zoroastriansim.
Judaism had a contemporary monotheistic counterpart in Zoroastrianism, with the added bonus that Zoroastrianism had a dualistic principled form of Monotheism with an evil deity to balance out the good creator deity. Judaism borrowed this and thus you have Satan/Lucifer.
From what I understand the Persians absolutely abhorred polytheism, and nothing exemplified this more than Hinduism.
The Persians disliked polytheism so much that they took the Hindu word Deva and turned it into Devil.

Now as interesting as all of this religious talk is, I don't think the errors matter that much.
All through ancient history, and really right up to modern times we have the practice of human sacrifice.
A good question to ask would be "why is human sacrifice so prevalent throughout human history and across pretty much every single culture out there".
Regardless of the name, is there a dark force, a dark god or gods who influence mankind with this kind of behavior?
Are we under spiritual attack from unseen forces?
Or is the human race simply predisposed to superstitious behavior?
Has mankind simply been inventing a boogeyman? Or is there something real we are intuiting?
Nope, satan is an adopted form of Enki, the adversary of his brother, enlil, aka jehovah.
Satan and lucifer aren't the same individual/being, there is no scriptural reference to this.



36:30 into the second video is when Basiago starts to mention Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy.
Basiago states that he has had extensive interaction with both Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy over the years.
Wow, Basiago states that he believes both to be operatives of the intelligence agencies sent to destroy the truth movement.
He says he approached BR and KC in 2007 and he felt that Jeff Rense was right in his assessment that these two were intelligence operatives.
He says he was given a particularly hard time by Kerry Cassidy, which is weird because Kerry basically believes every piece of BS that shows up on her door step.
He says Kerry then pushed for Basiago to be interviewed by a Beverly Hills shrink.
He says Kerry and BR have both stated that Basiago has screen memories, something most of us have heard.
Basiago goes on to state that BR and Kerry Cassidy are Government agents who have been planted to attack the truth movement.

Ask yourself about Jack Burns and ASIO.

[Dumpster Diver]

LOL. Forum wars with keyboard warriors. What a joke. They make it sound like fighting your way out of a bar. Been in a few of those and my nose is testament to how things went.:ttr:

Well, Wizzy, since you and Dreamy ask, mostly sports gambling forums.

Currently, I co-own a sports information service with two Aussie blokes; we sell information to (mostly) boneheaded Aussies who think they can "beat the man" at sports but now branching out into the US. BTW, Aussies will bet on any two cockroaches to win in a race. Fortunes can be made from such folk.

[Lord Sidious]

BTW, Aussies will bet on any two cockroaches to win in a race. Fortunes can be made from such folk.

That is true.
We have a saying about someone who would bet on two flies going up the wall.

[Chester]

Well, it looks like you've already made up your mind then, doesn't it, Sam? :rolleyes:

All I know is this: Christine is an honorable woman, and while I do not always agree with her opinions, she has never lied to me before. Bill Ryan on the other hand already has, several times, both to myself directly and to other people, including to Daniel Liszt, when he claimed that those smartphone screenshots were handed to him by "an intelligence insider whose identity he wasn't willing to reveal just yet", while we all know that those screenshots came from Shane Bales, and that Shane Bales is no more an intelligence insider than that he taught Vladimir Putin how to communicate via telepathy on board of a spaceship when he was 13 years old.

So on the one hand, you've got a proven liar and ruthless manipulator who's obsessed with his public image and who is known as a very vindictive man, and on the other hand, you've got a woman of integrity who, in spite of her bravery, was so freaked out by her husband's threat to her that she instantly packed her bags and left him, knowing that their marriage would be over forever.

To quote Outlander, cut off my legs and call me Shorty, but I know which one of those two people I'm going to believe on account of what transpired in that house in Vilcabamba, Ecuador on that day, one week before Christmas 2014.


:flag:
:getcoat:

The "intelligence officer" matter is cleared up later on and explained. Maybe you didn't hear that. If he lied to you, you have that as what I call "data points." I don't have those types of data points regarding Bill. I do have several data points I must call... "creative recounting" of what I know transpired regarding Christine. We also know more and I will leave it at that.

In my case, based on my own experiences with both and based on first hand knowledge, regarding the matters discussed, if I had to pick who to believe over the other, I choose Bill. Of course then is the question, which matter? And there are a good half dozen that come to mind. But as to assuming that I have made up my mind, how could I? I wasn't there. I just know who I would put my money on. That's all. I have lost bets before. I have won a few too.

[Dreamtimer]

Where's that next Dark Journalist video? Oh, here it is:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxpsGBAqkOk

[Dumpster Diver]

Thanks, Dreamy. I can't stay away from anything DJ does. It must be what crack is to crackheads.

[Chester]

I like DD... I wish I knew who DD was at PA but I like her/his forthrightness.

I think Modwiz has it right but also, in my case, I seem to be a hard learner.

ERK knew Jack Burns and its sad she is not here to share about it. And thus this is not the first time I heard about the ASIO (https://www.asio.gov.au/) link.

[Dumpster Diver]

I like DD... I wish I knew who DD was at PA but I like her/his forthrightness.

I think Modwiz has it right but also, in my case, I seem to be a hard learner.

ERK knew Jack Burns and its sad she is not here to share about it. And thus this is not the first time I heard about the ASIO (https://www.asio.gov.au/) link.

Sam, thanks; I was/is (maybe still) DD at Avalon, probably banned now but I could GAS. I never posted there, just lurked. Pretty much like I lurked here for, what? 1.5 years?

as Yogi said: You can observe a lot by just watching.

[Aragorn]

Okay everybody, pay attention. I have deleted 18 posts from this thread — including posts by staff members — and I've edited about half a dozen or so other posts to further remove some free-floating grit. I'm not sure whether I've managed to make everything appear consistent again, but right now it doesn't even matter anymore.

What does matter, is that this thread would remain on-topic from here on, without any mudslinging and without any ego manifestations. This thread was started by donk because of the vindictive need of El Hombre Con Sombrero™ to once again lash out at Corey Goode — and indirectly also at David Wilcock in the process — two years after his old conflict with Corey had already long died a natural death.

Sadly enough, this topic has become hot again in the current "alt community" news, due to El Sombrero™'s narcissism and his need to profile himself once again as a so-called researcher. There are plenty of other "alt community" celebrities he could have picked from the collective of people he himself and (to a lesser extent) Kerry Cassidy have introduced to "alt community" fame, but he just had to pick Corey again, because Corey Goode is the one who possesses a physical copy of an FBI file on El Sombrero™.

The above are the reasons why this thread was started, and so please, everybody, try sticking with the topic for a change, okay? :fpalm:



:back to topic::back to topic::back to topic::back to topic::back to topic:

[Dumpster Diver]

Okay everybody, pay attention. I have deleted 18 posts from this thread — including posts by staff members — and I've edited about half a dozen or so other posts to further remove some free-floating grit. I'm not sure whether I've managed to make everything appear consistent again, but right now it doesn't even matter anymore.

What does matter, is that this thread would remain on-topic from here on, without any mudslinging and without any ego manifestations. This thread was started by donk because of the vindictive need of El Hombre Con Sombrero™ to once again lash out at Corey Goode — and indirectly also at David Wilcock in the process — two years after his old conflict with Corey had already long died a natural death.

Sadly enough, this topic has become hot again in the current "alt community" news, due to El Sombrero™'s narcissism and his need to profile himself once again as a so-called researcher. There are plenty of other "alt community" celebrities he could have picked from the collective of people he himself and (to a lesser extent) Kerry Cassidy have introduced to "alt community" fame, but he just had to pick Corey again, because Corey Goode is the one who possesses a physical copy of an FBI file on El Sombrero™.

The above are the reasons why this thread was started, and so please, everybody, try sticking with the topic for a change, okay? :fpalm:



:back to topic::back to topic::back to topic::back to topic::back to topic:

Well, I just looked thru the thread posts and it looks like all the "good stuff" is still here so, maybe...perhaps...Aragorn's Policeman-on-the-beat works as advertised.

For me, this is an important thread. Learned a lot thru it. My thanks to Donk, Aragorn, and everyone else who contributed in a serious way.

Maybe Darth Hatman will read it and clean up his act...or maybe he'll realize at least some of the village folk are onto him and are in process of getting out torches and pitchforks to hunt his Frankenstein a$$ down so he should think about vacating said village...but I really think he'll simply continue. After all, he has gotten away it so far, no?

If CG reads it, maybe he'll get the idea that, at least here at TOT, folks think the Blue Bird stuff is mostly for the birds. I'm fascinated by it, but then again, I read a lot of science fiction as well.

[Dreamtimer]

CG was already through here. He left just before the first round of marketing started.

Do you have your SBA beer mug, dice and t-shirt? Maybe there are blue Pong balls too. :tar:



(There are likely images still in the old CG threads)

[Dumpster Diver]

CG was already through here. He left just before the first round of marketing started.

Do you have your SBA beer mug, dice and t-shirt? Maybe there are blue Pong balls too. :ttr:

I'm decorating my new man-cave with SBA tchotchkes. Plus, on one wall, a gold framed photo of CG with a Blue Bird showing the outstretched two finger occult "salute." On the other opposite wall, a black and gold framed photo of Darth Hatman glaring across the room at CG.

...duality...

[Aragorn]

For me, this is an important thread. Learned a lot thru it. My thanks to Donk, Aragorn, and everyone else who contributed in a serious way.

Maybe Darth Hatman will read it and clean up his act...or maybe he'll realize at least some of the village folk are onto him and are in process of getting out torches and pitchforks to hunt his Frankenstein a$$ down so he should think about vacating said village...but I really think he'll simply continue. After all, he has gotten away it so far, no?

If CG reads it, maybe he'll get the idea that, at least here at TOT, folks think the Blue Bird stuff is mostly for the birds. I'm fascinated by it, but then again, I read a lot of science fiction as well.

Well, I can't trace every single Guest IP address that looks at this thread — I don't have the time, and the "Who's Online" screen refreshes too rapidly for me to catch them all — although I have traced a number of them, and what I can say is that this thread has already attracted quite a lot of attention, and most specifically from IP addresses in the United States of Acronyms.

Somebody's paying attention to what is being said here... :eyebrows:

[Dumpster Diver]

Well, I can't trace every single Guest IP address that looks at this thread — I don't have the time, and the "Who's Online" screen refreshes too rapidly for me to catch them all — although I have traced a number of them, and what I can say is that this thread has already attracted quite a lot of attention, and most specifically from IP addresses in the United States of Acronyms.

Somebody's paying attention to what is being said here... :eyebrows:

Well, I am not surprised. Jim Jones always worried about the ones who got away...

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/mass-suicide-at-jonestown

...pass the Kool-aid? I like grape.

[Chester]

CG was already through here. He left just before the first round of marketing started.

Do you have your SBA beer mug, dice and t-shirt? Maybe there are blue Pong balls too. :tar:


(There are likely images still in the old CG threads)

I have my mouse pad (logo designed by an awesome designer who sadly later saw me as "their" enemy... but something I will always cherish as I always cherish my relationship with him/her)...

- I also have the coffee mug.


On another note - I see why I really missed this place. Thanks for letting me back, folks.

[Lord Sidious]

You would think that someone in their 60's would have gotten over being an attention seeker..................

[Gio]

You would think that someone in their 60's would have gotten over being an attention seeker..................

You Sidious nugget ...

giggle :)

https://rlv.zcache.com/i_want_to_believe_coffee_mug-r309859d13a754def9edee524cdc81337_x7jgr_8byvr_324. jpg

[modwiz]

You would think that someone in their 60's would have gotten over being an attention seeker..................

Remind me to never take you on a forest walk. I'm sure you would bring a stick and whack every hornet's nest we passed.:nails:

Let Sam be Sam. We have shared space together for years and know him. The scumbags who have the anus they call an eye at the top of the pyramid are only too happy to see us mess with each other. I'd rather knock the smiles off of their faces instead of putting one there. Seeing us get along would bring terror to them.

[Dumpster Diver]

Remind me to never take you on a forest walk. I'm sure you would bring a stick and whack every hornet's nest we passed.:nails:

Let Sam be Sam. We have shared space together for years and know him. The scumbags who have the anus they call an eye at the top of the pyramid are only too happy to see us mess with each other. I'd rather knock the smiles off of their faces instead of putting one there. Seeing us get along would bring terror to them.

:fire:

let's all sing that kumbayaa song...

Careful Wizzy, LS has dirty pics of Aragorn...or something.:eyebrows:

[Lord Sidious]

Remind me to never take you on a forest walk. I'm sure you would bring a stick and whack every hornet's nest we passed.:nails:

Let Sam be Sam. We have shared space together for years and know him. The scumbags who have the anus they call an eye at the top of the pyramid are only too happy to see us mess with each other. I'd rather knock the smiles off of their faces instead of putting one there. Seeing us get along would bring terror to them.

I wasn't referring to Sam, he is ok.
Talking about oscar the garbage man

[modwiz]

I wasn't referring to Sam, he is ok.
Talking about oscar the garbage man

Thanks for the clarity, brother, my bad.:fpalm: Man, my cognition is not very good today. Taurus Moon must be slowing it down. Square to my Sun and all that woo.

Yeah, oscar. Can be kinda of a richard.:rolleyes:

[Melidae]

That's what I thought. Mel is on her way back! :winner:

Thanks for the confirmation, LS

[TargeT]

"attacks" ....

hmm...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbvAo3wjLRc

[Dreamtimer]

Has anyone read/looked at this 16 page, 5300 word document (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1161982&viewfull=1#post1161982) of BR? He sent it to Justin who has now put it on his site (http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html).

[Dumpster Diver]

Has anyone read/looked at this 16 page, 5300 word document (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1161982&viewfull=1#post1161982) of BR? He sent it to Justin who has now put it on his site (http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html).

Not yet, too much happening here in Chaos-Haus...

...marked for later...will comment then in keeping with my status as an attention whore...

[Aianawa]

Know what you mean, doing lots of catching up atm .

[DNA]

Has anyone read/looked at this 16 page, 5300 word document (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1161982&viewfull=1#post1161982) of BR? He sent it to Justin who has now put it on his site (http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/05/corey-goode-responds-to-claims-made-by-bill-ryan.html).

Ain't nobody got time for that. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFEoMO0pc7k

[Dumpster Diver]

Darn it DNA, now I got "Ain't Nobody Got Time for That" running thru my head all day.

it's more catchy than Bed Intruder:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CO5AAITdrQ

talented folks, all...

[donk]

Stories.

That's all we got, right?

We yearn for "evidence"...but if you drill down deep enough into that...you find that it's just stories too. Context. Ain't sh!t meaningless without that?

So this out of control storyteller is captured. By civilization, the lies we tell each other. The lies he tells himself.

Is he the problem? Or is it the story? Or our love for stories?

We love telling them. I think most of us have that in common? What is life, but the stories we tell each other about our experiences in them?

This story is interesting.

Why?.....How?

Can we tell a different story this time?

ADDED: I'm pretty sure, the "alt media" is about getting our "anamolous" stories out there so we can figure out a reality we can agree upon, despite what popular CULTure says. When someone capitalizes from their story, their "truth" that is cognitively dissonant from the world most of us share, it threatens to expose all the lies within that structure. No one comes out of this with credibility...in a "sane", reasonable reality

[Wind]

People can get lost in the maze of the alt media, which is full of nonsense to put it mildly. I used to be somewhat of a new ager with my beliefs, now I'm just feeling like that I'm a human who is trying to study life and understand that much we have been told is total bogus. There is a spiritual dimension to everything and that's a given. Also I have learned that the alternative media is full of shills and storytellers, everyone wants their 15 mins of fame.

The real seekers of truth are willing to admit that they have been wrong or have been conned. All of us form our own "reality tunnels" and sometimes we can get completely lost in them. We have to question most of the things all the time including our own beliefs or else we might just become manipulated or will believe in fantasy stories. If people truly want to think that fantasy stories are real, so be it... But for the seekers of truth that isn't enough. They want the real truth, they are like true scientists who are open minded, but not foolish enough to believe everything.

What is this lesson teaching people?

What do people really want to know?

What drives them to the path of seeking?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTLkiJUX05A

[enjoy being]

Hi again.
Truth and Paradigms. Wow. Do you think animals have access to truth? Do they have problems and anomalies that don't fit? They never SEEM to miss a beat in their day to day lives. Instinctively living it SEEMS, and SEEMINGLY fitting into their environment with all the right equipment for the job. Well apart from those domesticated by humans, say for instance, dogs bred for certain features, which become detrimental to their natural ability to survive. On a whole the rest of nature SEEMS perfectly suited to its cause and place in the food chain, and well equipped for survival.
Humans? Something wrong there eh. Or if we are completely natural, then what a story of the ugly duckling it might be.
Fears or preoccupations with such things as cataclysms and magic. Huge passionate affiliations to cause of justice. Whether it be personal justice or justice of many. A connection of this with a desire for paradise. The various paradises of religions.
We love stories yes Donk, stories are very important on many levels.
Is it just boredom?
Like cabin fever boredom. The joke of life being a waiting room, in which you must entertain yourself with distractions either by choice or by boredom, or cabin fever like madness. I mean, one could paraphrase a persons statement of desire to live life to the fullest and experience their chosen list of things they want to do, as a form of neurotic behaviour stemming from boredom.
Stories containing magic, and mystery and marvel. We love it. Some gravitate towards it more, but generally we all love the "Imagine ifs". Because we have imaginations. We are an unruly mob really. All capable of going off on our own tangents and starting to believe any number of things. I really cant see from the outside, any similar sort of symptoms in other animals.
Addiction to drama. I think this has been around in a changing form for many many years.
We place our reality at the center of all that matters, constantly. This is probably normal for other animals too I guess.

I guess I can see some form of logical way in which humans fit into the progression of life on the planet. If life is a vessel for consciousness and the vessel changes to fit the shape of the planets hospitality. Once minerals and simple life forms. The human as Gaia's invention would have our furless bodies perhaps being a design for changing climates, we were at least given hands with opposing thumbs. Did the idea to kill come from being cold? Anyway.. supposing we are totally natural, but just a bit of a stuff up in terms of being perfectly suited to our environment.. or you know, we were perfectly suited for a changing environment... then what you see in front of you right now, the monitor and the seat you sit in and the words you read with the language and the pictures down the side. Are all a product of nature, like a flower or a beehive...
Kind of hard to fully accept? Just a wager that people don't fully feel comfortable saying products of humans are products of nature. Why would that be?
Sorry I digress I suppose, one of the things I am getting at is that we take ourselves very seriously on the whole. Such beautifully complex creatures we are turning out to be.
And in saying that I hear echoed to me the word, "Again".

[Dumpster Diver]

Back to the original Thread Topic:

Postings over at the Kool-Aid Cult; Cult-on-Cult psyop warfare, recruiting in the alt-media:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1161982&viewfull=1#post1161982

Also in the thread at Avalon, we have a cult calling out another cult, for being a cult.

Hey, are we a cult here at TOT? Since I sent in some money to help, does that mean I'm a member of the TOT cult?

I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member. ~Groucho Marx

[The One]

Hey, are we a cult here at TOT? Since I sent in some money to help, does that mean I'm a member of the TOT cult?

When you signed up here did you not read the forum rules that says any member who makes a donation will become a member of the exclusive totter club but you have to be totted first and we are in the process of completing that for you.:hilarious:

I would like to think Dumpey we are more enlightened and grown up bunch here and would not want any member to think because they made a donation to tot they are now in a cult.If for any reason you actually think this then pm me and we will kindly reimburse you.:belief:

[Dumpster Diver]

When you signed up here did you not read the forum rules that says any member who makes a donation will become a member of the exclusive totter club but you have to be totted first and we are in the process of completing that for you.:hilarious:

I would like to think Dumpey we are more enlightened and grown up bunch here and would not want any member to think because they made a donation to tot they are now in a cult.If for any reason you actually think this then pm me and we will kindly reimburse you.:belief:

What? Take me money back and NOT get to experience Klub TOT? Absolutely not!

...btw, what flavor of Kool-aid are we serving today? I like green; makes me think I'm doing the veggie thing.

[Dreamtimer]

Part V has arrived.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keRXEzgjZ1E

At 37 min. Annette sums up her interactions w/Corey and Ramsaur: "... my ideas were just harvested up with a dirty wash rag and then I was thrown out."

[Fred Steeves]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keRXEzgjZ1E

Oh the irony.

1733

[Gio]

:holysheep: ...

Just say no to Cults .

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/O0QBqIG1_Uo/hqdefault.jpg

[Paloma]

Back to the original Thread Topic:

Postings over at the Kool-Aid Cult; Cult-on-Cult psyop warfare, recruiting in the alt-media:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1161982&viewfull=1#post1161982

Also in the thread at Avalon, we have a cult calling out another cult, for being a cult.

Hey, are we a cult here at TOT? Since I sent in some money to help, does that mean I'm a member of the TOT cult?

I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member. ~Groucho Marx

Cults can teach one a lot, about the dynamics between leaders and their followers. Of course, an even greater lesson comes when one leaves a cult, and becomes a dissident.
After that there remains only one thing, create your own cult. And try to make it last.

[Aianawa]

Many joining the know thyself cult, it is doing extremely well, members growing fast, no dues cept self deception, only one leader which is helpfullll, you can usually tell or know another member quickly mirror wise or eyes knowing, cults name is OTR and has more boxes than a funeral parlour, the Original Tune Remembered cult membership is self governed.

[Dumpster Diver]

Cults can teach one a lot, about the dynamics between leaders and their followers. Of course, an even greater lesson comes when one leaves a cult, and becomes a dissident.
After that there remains only one thing, create your own cult. And try to make it last.

Ok, I can hear the clarion call; I'm starting the Dark Knight Dumpy Kult (DK^2 or DK squared): send me $500 for a signed 4"x 6" gold-framed photo of yours truly (cash only). I'll send in $5 each to TOT for the advertising...TOT'll get rich!

[Chester]

People can get lost in the maze of the alt media, which is full of nonsense to put it mildly. I used to be somewhat of a new ager with my beliefs, now I'm just feeling like that I'm a human who is trying to study life and understand that much we have been told is total bogus. There is a spiritual dimension to everything and that's a given. Also I have learned that the alternative media is full of shills and storytellers, everyone wants their 15 mins of fame.

The real seekers of truth are willing to admit that they have been wrong or have been conned. All of us form our own "reality tunnels" and sometimes we can get completely lost in them. We have to question most of the things all the time including our own beliefs or else we might just become manipulated or will believe in fantasy stories. If people truly want to think that fantasy stories are real, so be it... But for the seekers of truth that isn't enough. They want the real truth, they are like true scientists who are open minded, but not foolish enough to believe everything.

What is this lesson teaching people?

What do people really want to know?

What drives them to the path of seeking?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTLkiJUX05A

Thank you for this video as Robert Anton Wilson echoes my primary operational protocol - be ready to update one's metaphysical cosmological world view at all times. Ohhhh and thus everything else that follows secondarily to that primary world view.

[Dreamtimer]

Shadowself posted a segment of an interview with Dr. Farrell (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97897-Dark-Journalist-A-Six-Part-Series-on-The-New-Age-Deep-State&p=1164120&viewfull=1#post1164120) that I'd heard before. He discusses a 2015 SSP conference where certain secret soldier types were wanting to be invited. They weren't. They then advertised themselves as presenters at a different secret space conference where they were,


"...using the website artwork of our conference in Bastrop."

Seems like a pattern to me. Harvesting other peoples' work and not giving credit or proper compensation. Ms. O'Toole is just a more recent 'victim'.

And Roger Ramjet is the newest actor on this scene. Thanks to The Pursuit of Happiness (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WafZv4iXQpA) for that moniker.

[Aianawa]

Many joining the know thyself cult, it is doing extremely well, members growing fast, no dues cept self deception, only one leader which is helpfullll, you can usually tell or know another member quickly mirror wise or eyes knowing, cults name is OTR and has more boxes than a funeral parlour, the Original Tune Remembered cult membership is self governed.

Came to me that Jose Arguelles actually put it as OMA, original matrix attained.

[Dreamtimer]

The Tuatha'An of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series were always in search of the song and would ask all who crossed their path if they knew the song.

In the time of Legends, certain humans and other creatures would sing the crops and plants into growing. The Ogier could sing wood into shape and thus never needed to cut, saw or sand.


Robbie Robertson says that Everyone Has a Song (https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/9965-The-Cosmic-Emporium?p=841974239&viewfull=1#post841974239)

[Fred Steeves]

I found the information in this video quite interesting, yet hardly surprising. His name is Michael Waskosky, and he posts over at The Project as "waskosky".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsBJ5xi4gRY

[donk]

Hahaha!!! I have a copy I picked up for a dollar in the clearance of the second hand store by my house (retail was $15):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1164335&viewfull=1#post1164335

Malgorzata asks:


Default Re: The Truth about Corey Goode
Hello Bill!

Can you tell us a bit more about your own graphic novel that you allegedly did, or endorsed, for the Serpo Project? I am talking about the recent video that came up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsBJ5xi4gRY
Parent Post

[TargeT]

Hello Bill!

Can you tell us a bit more about your own graphic novel that you allegedly did, or endorsed, for the Serpo Project? I am talking about the recent video that came up. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsBJ5xi4gRY

I certainly didn't 'do' it, or even 'endorse' it, but I did (I believe, from memory) write a foreword after I was asked.

Whatever I wrote, I'm pretty sure I'd agree with it now. My stance was always, after quite an early stage, that the Serpo story was a huge distortion (with much disinfo added) of some astonishing, real events. I stand by that now. I wrote about that extensively, as a kind of summary, in this newsletter... do read.


http://projectavalon.net/Project_Avalon_Newsletter_4_24_January_2015.pdf

My the way, Mike Waskosky, who made the video, is an Avalon member (we have discovered!) and he's been posting here.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97897-Dark-Journalist-A-Six-Part-Series-on-The-New-Age-Deep-State&p=1164263&viewfull=1#post1164263

(I've sent Mike a PM inviting him to reply to your post himself, which I hope he may.)



Seems like a reasonable reply. but doesn't writing a forward sort of equate to endorsement?

[Dumpster Diver]

I found the information in this video quite interesting, yet hardly surprising. His name is Michael Waskosky, and he posts over at The Project as "waskosky".


Great Find, Fred many thanks!

[Fred Steeves]

Seems like a reasonable reply. but doesn't writing a forward sort of equate to endorsement?

Sure, in the real world it does. Actually, it's even more than that.


A foreword (one of the most often misspelled words in the language) is most often written by someone other than the author: an expert in the field, a writer of a similar book, etc. Forewords help the publisher at the level of marketing: An opening statement by an eminent and well-published author gives them added credibility in pitching the book to bookstores. Forewords help the author by putting a stamp of approval on their work.
http://www.bpsbooks.com/BPS-Books-blog/bid/21727/What-s-the-Difference-Between-a-Foreword-Preface-and-Introduction

Over at The Project however, it means whatever the forum founder says it means.

I was really more interested in DJ's past that the "waskosky" video laid out. Apparently he was never vetted by anyone either, surprise surprise... That young man (Michael Waskosky) is sharp, but too bad he's not so sharp when it comes to Corey's blue birds. C'est la vie.

[Gio]

http://projectavalon.net/Support_Project_Avalon.gif

"Your generosity is sincerely appreciated, and makes all this work possible."


:tiphat:

[Dreamtimer]

I'm kinda bummed to see that Beth Leone was at the Avant Garde Magazine Annual Masquerade Ball (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97897-Dark-Journalist-A-Six-Part-Series-on-The-New-Age-Deep-State&p=1164532&viewfull=1#post1164532) with DW. But I suppose it makes sense. Maybe she can teach him a thing or two...

The models are sporting a lot of horns. The colors were mostly black, white and red. Lots of money in those circles.

[Lord Sidious]

http://projectavalon.net/Support_Project_Avalon.gif

"Your generosity is sincerely appreciated, and makes all this work possible."


:tiphat:

Does the baconhatnugget have a balaclava on when he accepts payment?

[Aragorn]

Does the baconhatnugget have a balaclava on when he accepts payment?

I don't think so. I was informed by an imp that his hat has actually been riveted to his skull. So that would make it kind of difficult to put on a balaclava. (Or at least, a conventional one. :p)



:ttr:

[enjoy being]

Struggle to find the right place for this comment. I caught a bit of a recent DW CG talk where Wilcock talks about technology and starts in about Avatar technology being real and that they brought it in to be filmed sometimes when they ran out of time. I would like to say that Avatar was filmed here in New Zealand, and although I didn't work on it, (Iwas working on one of the Underworld films instead) I know many people who did. AND having also worked in the Wellington studios that Avatar was filmed in, and knowing the buildings they have available and the size of door ways that the other site, Weta has, I just had to LAUGH and LAUGH and LAUGH about this preposterous claim.

[Dumpster Diver]

Struggle to find the right place for this comment. I caught a bit of a recent DW CG talk where Wilcock talks about technology and starts in about Avatar technology being real and that they brought it in to be filmed sometimes when they ran out of time. I would like to say that Avatar was filmed here in New Zealand, and although I didn't work on it, (Iwas working on one of the Underworld films instead) I know many people who did. AND having also worked in the Wellington studios that Avatar was filmed in, and knowing the buildings they have available and the size of door ways that the other site, Weta has, I just had to LAUGH and LAUGH and LAUGH about this preposterous claim.

I try to separate the info that DW posts from his research vs. information he gets from "sources." The Avatar info was from a source. Sometimes I think they feed DW crap so that when he is found out, he looks stupid on that instance and that tends to color everything he says. His research is very high quality. And frankly I could give a flip if Avatar was "real" or not.

[enjoy being]

I agree with that perspective and yes I too don't see it as crucial information. But I also tend to see it as an example of "what gets through". And sure maybe it seemed believable to him and others, not knowing how film studios work. Maybe I am just presuming it to be glaringly obvious to all.
I haven't really followed much of his stuff since back in the days of his entry into it with the Law of One stuff and future talk 1 and 2.
I liked it back then, it was stuff I probably wanted to hear. But some of it I would still say is valid 'wisdom'. :-)

[sandy]

Who vetted this guy>>>he has basically come out fo the blue just like The Dark Journalist, George Webb, Roger Stone, Steele, etc??? They are all attention seeking to keep the peeps distracted from themselves...IMHO!!



I found the information in this video quite interesting, yet hardly surprising. His name is Michael Waskosky, and he posts over at The Project as "waskosky".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsBJ5xi4gRY

[Aianawa]

Hit a link taking me to a thread on PA where he is a member and reading the thread was interesting, like the guy plus even though he is CG DW orientated, most were nice to him, are things changing over at PA

[Dreamtimer]

I think he's being vetted as we speak, so to speak. There are quite a few pointed questions being directed at him over at PA. :hiding:

Dark Journalist originally got my attention due to his interviews of Catherine Austin Fitts and Joseph Farrell. His interviews seem so smooth, I used to wonder how much was edited and how much natural conversation. But for me it was always more about the topics or guests than Daniel.

[enjoy being]

I thought one of their moderators (of all people) saying that he had a cheek to show his face in that thread, was still quite telling of "How things are" over there Aianawa. But oh well, that's what they are in to. Hope your awesome travels are remaining fruitful.


What was this thread about again? :lol:

[Dreamtimer]

I feel the need to apologize, Dark Knight Dumpy, because I really haven't addressed the substantive work of DW. I hear positive things about his book Financial Tyranny. And there is the Synchronicity Key, Ascension Mysteries, and Source Field Investigations. There are also free books available through his site.

I used to visit his forum on a regular basis, mostly interested in dream or spiritual stuff, but I was disappointed at the lack of ongoing dream discussions. There was very little of it, imo.

The only thing that turned me off regarding DW was the man himself. I really did get tired of hearing him talk about his willie in every speech I listened to. In one more recent one he got a really bad cramp in his foot and had to sit down on stage and take off his shoe. He even said, "That's what I get for talking about my penis." And then he did it again in the next one!

And I also watched a video he did with a couple of natural nutrition guys and he was commenting on how cute they must think he is. Perhaps he was trying to be self-deprecating (they were larger and more chiseled than he) but it just came off as kinda creepy.

If it's an ego thing, he really needs to look more into the guy he's supposed to be a reincarnation of because I'm pretty sure Cacye wouldn't be giving frequent odes to his member.


edit***I saw that comment about 'cheek' Nothing.:lol:

[Aianawa]

Felt i did remarkebily well, moved house, bad concussion then travel, so so glad of all tools that assisted.

Ya see if a mod here said similar, our shock n peace troopers would have assisted with love and non pointy barb wire lol

[Dreamtimer]

shock n peace troopers

Another gem. Keep 'em comin'.

[enjoy being]

I guess the alt community is comparatively filled with freaks and weirdos and hippies and outcasts and nerds and geeks and loners and dweebs and numpties that act a bit odd or look a bit odd. But yeah, talking about ya willy is a bit of an unfortunate tick to have.

:frantic:

[Dreamtimer]

numptie...fool that I am, had to look it up.:lol:

'unfortunate tick':ttr:

I'm a weirdo, too. It's just not obvious or overt. What kills me is when people look at me like I'm strange when all I'm doing is asking a logical question. People almost have no critical thinking or analytical tools anymore. Asking a question is perceived as some kind of criticism or argument or taken personally. People are like adolescents.

Joe Rogan said it in his interview with Megan Phelps. Our society is adolescent, not adult.

And so I'm a freak.

I went to a fund-raiser for Johnny Fox, the sword swallower. He's fighting liver cancer at an alternative clinic in Phoenix. He's doing better, and this after allopathic docs told him he was finished.

They were selling t-shirts from his Freakatorium which was briefly operating in Manhattan. I bought one that says Freak, and I wear it with pride.

[Aragorn]

Hit a link taking me to a thread on PA where he is a member and reading the thread was interesting, like the guy plus even though he is CG DW orientated, most were nice to him, are things changing over at PA

I think he's being vetted as we speak, so to speak. There are quite a few pointed questions being directed at him over at PA. :hiding:

Dark Journalist originally got my attention due to his interviews of Catherine Austin Fitts and Joseph Farrell. His interviews seem so smooth, I used to wonder how much was edited and how much natural conversation. But for me it was always more about the topics or guests than Daniel.

Guys, I could be seeing things — and if I am, then that in itself was probably one of the major intents behind all of this — but whenever I watch all of these Big Names™ flying across the screen and how they are all either backing or attacking one another, then what I'm seeing is no different from a mix between a soap opera around ego-driven characters on the one hand and a reality TV show about Hollywood celebrities and royalty members on the other hand.

It may be the Aspie in me, but I'm getting really fed up with all these people with their big sounding names — and especially so if they feel the need to emphasize that they have a middle name, even if it's only by way of an initial. :p

And that, then, brings me back to Plato's allegory of the cave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave). To me, all of this is part of The Big Deception™, or perhaps even better put, of the controlled opposition. The more I think about it, the more I'm beginning to agree with Fred's suspicions regarding El Hombre Con Sombrero™ and his equally popular "fellow researchers".

They're not here to educate us on the truth, they are here to have us have another round at chasing our own tails. And they're feeling quite good about themselves doing it, and probably just as good (if not better) about the money that's coming into their hidden bank accounts while they're doing it.


:cracky:

[enjoy being]

There's that great quote about it but it is sort of ruined to the point of total deflation when you find it is a quote made by Steve Jobs.
You know the one?
Glad you are weird enough to get my humour. :-P

[Dreamtimer]

Dog chasing tail, or ouroboros?

You've definitely hit on something, Aragorn. It's the three name people now, and it was the New Age name people before. And of course, project this and project that.

Blue Beam, blue book, blue avians, blue skinned people, Blues Clues...oh wait, not that one...

I have to listen to people for a while to see how they hold up. Some don't make it past one interview. Others I can listen to many times. If there's an initial mystique or thrill I continue until it passes and I can see/hear more clearly.


And I am honestly still amazed at how this CG BA stuff has gone so far.

[enjoy being]

Agree whole heartedly Aragorn,

There is a certain familiar dynamic in some ways (but not others) to what I have seen in the art circuit.
Writers, critics, and curators come up with their stable of people whose work they like, mainly because it slots into the theories on how art is that they have already published. Once things are published for those types they find it hard to back track or contradict themselves so from then on they will only ever talk about people who fit their version.
It is actually quite similar to lots of things, it is sort of some 'universal' behaviour.
I am trying to not say "human nature" because that phrase is one of my pet dislikes.
Too often do I hear it used as apologetics for some sort of behaviour which I don't consider to be either human or nature.
There is some sort of 'habit' though that has been arrived at via the layers of trauma or some such thing on people, the evolution of the fractured mind perhaps.

Oh and now realise saying universal was even worse lol.

[Dreamtimer]

We compartmentalize ourselves so much. When I was learning about psychology at the basic college level, I was told that majors had to pick a school of thought and then take the courses related to that. So even at that low level, people are already narrowing their perspectives in the name of specialization.

It's ridiculous to me. But people want to be with others who see and think like them, and then they don't want to leave their comfort zone. And then there's ego.

[enjoy being]

I think the hysteria created by someone like that Charles saga, pointed out to many people, that there is a gold mine of an audience out there for those who like the limelight.
I think it would have given others a few ideas on how to control and herd these people.
I imagine that it would be hard to resist for some of them.
There's a catch 22 in that for expert research to be done, it ought be done full time, though, many many people manage to do "their obsession" in their free time as well... it is not lost on us that these people need to earn a living either elsewhere or somehow by what they are doing. I guess that weighs heavy on some.
Do they still have some of those Chuckie threads up? Remember how people were coming out with comments along the lines of "Thank you so much it is an honour that you grace us with your presence and we appreciate all you are doing for mankind"
That would have surely made a few hands rub together.
I guess the question is regards the frequency of occurrence in when it goes into more sinister and manipulative motives rather than ego or power or money.

[Aragorn]

Dog chasing tail, or ouroboros?

The former. The latter is too spiritual a concept, and too close to the truth. ;)


You've definitely hit on something, Aragorn. It's the three name people now, [...

Identifying oneself by way of three names is a very US Acronymian custom, and it is thus highly popular among the Acronymian audience. It appeals to the conservative in the Acronymian reader/viewer/listener and subliminally causes them to feel more confident about the presenter/researcher.


...] and it was the New Age name people before.

Robert Morningstar, Solaris Blueraven, Teal Swan, E'asha Ashayana (formerly A'shayana Deane, formerly Diane Tigue, formerly Anna Hayes), and the list goes on... ;)


[...]

And I am honestly still amazed at how this CG BA stuff has gone so far.

I found it a bit of a stretch that El Hombre Con Sombrero™ chose to act out on his vindictiveness toward Corey Goode again after all this time, but it is indeed surreal how this flare-up of anti-Corey (and pro-Corey) propaganda has managed to survive this long again.

I mean, look at when this thread was started: that was on the 26th of April 2017 — and in itself, this thread here was started because they had already begun dissing on Corey again over at La Casa Del Sombrero™ a few days earlier, and across multiple threads, not to mention the marathon interviews with the Illuminaughty "Dark Jounalist", in which The Man With The Hat™ even presented screenshots from Shane The Storyteller as "evidence", citing Shane as "an intelligence insider" — and today it's the 6th of July 2017 already. That's almost four months of pointless bickering over something that had already died two years ago.

By attacking Corey again, El Sombrero™ has actually done Corey and Wilcock a big favor. Bad publicity is publicity too. Suddenly there is a renewed interest in Corey and his blue birdies, and now we've even got the Corey Kids and their business plans.



http://users.telenet.be/stryder/Humor/Elrond_Facepalm.jpeg


Whoever's got the remote, please select another channel, because I've already seen this show, and it was already boring the first time around. :fpalm:

[PurpleLama]

Aragorn, son of Arathorn was called the Dúnadan ("Man of the West/Númenórean", given by Arwen in Lothlórien and much used by Bilbo), Longshanks (given by Bill Ferny in Bree), Strider (by which he was known in Bree and the outlying areas), and Wingfoot (given by Éomer after discovering that Aragorn had travelled 45 leagues in four days in pursuit of Pippin, Merry, and their Uruk-hai captors).

He was the founder of the House of Telcontar (Telcontar is "Strider" in Quenya, after the nickname given him by the rustics of the North), which ruled Gondor well into the Fourth Age of Middle-earth; in records, his full regnal name is given as Elessar Telcontar ("Elfstone Strider"). In the Houses of Healing, he called himself Envinyatar, the renewer.

Before coming of age, he was known as Estel ("hope") to hide his true lineage from Sauron's forces, who sought the heir of Isildur. He was known as Thorongil ("Eagle of the Star") in his younger days when he travelled across Middle-earth and took up service in Rohan and Gondor (often by protecting camps and raiding enemy strongholds as he did when he fought the Corsairs in Umbar).

Uh huh, you're a fine one to talk.

[Aragorn]

[...]

Do they still have some of those Chuckie threads up?

I doubt it, even if only because there was a big split at La Casa Del Sombrero™ in the aftermath of the Chuckie affair, and they essentially rebooted the forum.

On the other hand, they do have a read-only archive, and some of it may still be retrievable from there.


Remember how people were coming out with comments along the lines of "Thank you so much it is an honour that you grace us with your presence and we appreciate all you are doing for mankind"

Really?! :shocked: :belief:


That would have surely made a few hands rub together.
I guess the question is regards the frequency of occurrence in when it goes into more sinister and manipulative motives rather than ego or power or money.

Well, back when Corey was still a member here and when he was asking for donations, one of his followers did post something along the lines of "Come on, people, let's donate till it hurts." Over in the mod room, we were going like "WTF?!"


:fpalm:

[Aragorn]

Aragorn, son of Arathorn was called the Dúnadan ("Man of the West/Númenórean", given by Arwen in Lothlórien and much used by Bilbo), Longshanks (given by Bill Ferny in Bree), Strider (by which he was known in Bree and the outlying areas), and Wingfoot (given by Éomer after discovering that Aragorn had travelled 45 leagues in four days in pursuit of Pippin, Merry, and their Uruk-hai captors).

He was the founder of the House of Telcontar (Telcontar is "Strider" in Quenya, after the nickname given him by the rustics of the North), which ruled Gondor well into the Fourth Age of Middle-earth; in records, his full regnal name is given as Elessar Telcontar ("Elfstone Strider"). In the Houses of Healing, he called himself Envinyatar, the renewer.

Before coming of age, he was known as Estel ("hope") to hide his true lineage from Sauron's forces, who sought the heir of Isildur. He was known as Thorongil ("Eagle of the Star") in his younger days when he travelled across Middle-earth and took up service in Rohan and Gondor (often by protecting camps and raiding enemy strongholds as he did when he fought the Corsairs in Umbar).

Uh huh, you're a fine one to talk.

I identify with only a single name, oh Purple One. :p I'm not even calling myself "Aragorn II", or "Aragorn Jr." :ttr: And I'm definitely not one of the talking heads of the so-called "alt community". ;)

[DNA]

I feel the need to apologize, Dark Knight Dumpy, because I really haven't addressed the substantive work of DW. I hear positive things about his book Financial Tyranny. And there is the Synchronicity Key, Ascension Mysteries, and Source Field Investigations. There are also free books available through his site.

I used to visit his forum on a regular basis, mostly interested in dream or spiritual stuff, but I was disappointed at the lack of ongoing dream discussions. There was very little of it, imo.

The only thing that turned me off regarding DW was the man himself. I really did get tired of hearing him talk about his willie in every speech I listened to. In one more recent one he got a really bad cramp in his foot and had to sit down on stage and take off his shoe. He even said, "That's what I get for talking about my penis." And then he did it again in the next one!

And I also watched a video he did with a couple of natural nutrition guys and he was commenting on how cute they must think he is. Perhaps he was trying to be self-deprecating (they were larger and more chiseled than he) but it just came off as kinda creepy.

If it's an ego thing, he really needs to look more into the guy he's supposed to be a reincarnation of because I'm pretty sure Cacye wouldn't be giving frequent odes to his member.


edit***I saw that comment about 'cheek' Nothing.:lol:

Hi Dreamtimer.
I've often thought DW was just trying to humanize himself through all of this and many times the best way to do so is through laughter.
I don't really have anything bad to say about DW except that this whole Gaia thing seems so slick and well financed that you just feel like tptb have made a play to own his message.
Also, if you look into Cayce, he wasn't exactly a saint. Cayce the man made some questionable life choices. One of which was attempting to use his abilities for profit and luxary. Cayce left his family for months at a time with no source of income while he attempted to find oil by using his abilities in Texas.
I personally think this venture with Gaia TV is on par with that mistake as well his relationship with CG.
Cayce also had at the very least an emotional affair with his assistant Gladys Davis Turner and probably more than an emotional affair.

[enjoy being]

Donate till hurts, like while wearing lycra and doing star jumps?

Re really? Yes, but I squashed a few together in the one sentence. There were lots of 'star struck' people who believed they were talking to a real live insider who might know St Germain. When he started 'reluctantly' (pfft) posting, there were many who posted salutations fit for royalty. Thanking him for his time and for doing what he was doing, hanging on his every word. Everyone was on a knifes edge. When one person said something that showed them to be an unbeliever, others would pelt that poster with retorts. The mob rule of everyone trying to shout over one another was in full effect. Like when you try and quieten a room of children and nearly get there but someone makes a farty noise and they are off again. Then someone would apologise on behalf in an effort to win favour..
Others were like, "I'm a whistleblower too, I've been around for ages don't forget about me!"

Yep see, I am still traumatised by it all this many years later. :lol:

[Dreamtimer]

What do you think is David's best work, DNA? If DKD is right, then there are some gems (family jewels) in his stuff. (I can't help myself with the puns but I'm genuinely interested in what you think stands out in his work).

[DNA]

What do you think is David's best work, DNA? If DKD is right, then there are some gems (family jewels) in his stuff. (I can't help myself with the puns but I'm genuinely interested in what you think stands out in his work).

I was a fan of his source field investigations.
It was the reason why I originally chose the name DNA when joining Avalon in 2011.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR-klTa1y54

[TargeT]

I was a fan of his source field investigations.
It was the reason why I originally chose the name DNA when joining Avalon in 2011.

That wave has passed,he needs to ride a new one now.. but he's chosen Corey??

maybe he should have chosen retirement... (doubt that is possible at this point, he seems very full of himself now).

[Aianawa]

Have said this in the past, he was all in, on simply doing ascension, himself and assisting others, he said he had had enough, then 3 weeks later, Goode times started, big and fast, whatever it was that changed his mind, to go so out there, must have been data backing very high in DWs mind.

[Dumpster Diver]

I feel the need to apologize, Dark Knight Dumpy, because I really haven't addressed the substantive work of DW. I hear positive things about his book Financial Tyranny. And there is the Synchronicity Key, Ascension Mysteries, and Source Field Investigations. There are also free books available through his site.

I used to visit his forum on a regular basis, mostly interested in dream or spiritual stuff, but I was disappointed at the lack of ongoing dream discussions. There was very little of it, imo.

The only thing that turned me off regarding DW was the man himself. I really did get tired of hearing him talk about his willie in every speech I listened to. In one more recent one he got a really bad cramp in his foot and had to sit down on stage and take off his shoe. He even said, "That's what I get for talking about my penis." And then he did it again in the next one!

And I also watched a video he did with a couple of natural nutrition guys and he was commenting on how cute they must think he is. Perhaps he was trying to be self-deprecating (they were larger and more chiseled than he) but it just came off as kinda creepy.

If it's an ego thing, he really needs to look more into the guy he's supposed to be a reincarnation of because I'm pretty sure Cacye wouldn't be giving frequent odes to his member.


edit***I saw that comment about 'cheek' Nothing.:lol:


No need to apologize, Dreamy. I think you are pretty clear in your posts, or at least I do understand you.

But seriously, folks tend to catch him in one outrageous situation or a showtime fabrication (I found one about the Shoemaker-Levy 9 comets) and then they tend to dismiss everything. DW has a vast library of hard documented facts in Wisdom Teachings and in his books.

But hey, if I could pull down the size $$BUX$$ that Davy "Will-talk-about-his-cock" does, maybe I'd do "Penis Puppets" like one of the attractions in Las Vegas. But seriously, do you really know if Edgar Cayce wasn't "willy wonking" during his lifetime? They recorded his channeling, not his stand up routines. :whstl:

[Dumpster Diver]

I guess the alt community is comparatively filled with freaks and weirdos and hippies and outcasts and nerds and geeks and loners and dweebs and numpties that act a bit odd or look a bit odd. But yeah, talking about ya willy is a bit of an unfortunate tick to have.

:frantic:

It's an Aspie thing. Or maybe an Aspie talking to other Aspies thing.


numptie...fool that I am, had to look it up.:lol:

'unfortunate tick':ttr:

I'm a weirdo, too. It's just not obvious or overt. What kills me is when people look at me like I'm strange when all I'm doing is asking a logical question. People almost have no critical thinking or analytical tools anymore. Asking a question is perceived as some kind of criticism or argument or taken personally. People are like adolescents.

Joe Rogan said it in his interview with Megan Phelps. Our society is adolescent, not adult.

And so I'm a freak.

I went to a fund-raiser for Johnny Fox, the sword swallower. He's fighting liver cancer at an alternative clinic in Phoenix. He's doing better, and this after allopathic docs told him he was finished.

They were selling t-shirts from his Freakatorium which was briefly operating in Manhattan. I bought one that says Freak, and I wear it with pride.

BTW, one of my new theories is: There are so many Aspies in the alt-world "freak show" that maybe only us Aspies can see the DARK SH!T; the muggles can't because they are too mugglesey...

...so ascension won't happen because the Normals are too damn Normal to see through the veil.

BUT! our numbers are going up!

[enjoy being]

I was just in a local muggles forum earlier, and one of the people started a thread, a 45 year old, saying how a kids game, Clash of Clans, has the function to block/mute other people so they just totally disappear...
She asked the web team if it that would be considered for that forum as she finds it hard having to read posts from people she doesn't like..
To my absolute surprise, a very rare appearance of the webby happened and the post read that they had been considering this.
Then there was a flood of people coming in posting in agreement and how they would love such a feature so they wont be tormented by other peoples posts!

I replied with


"Oh dear surely you are not actually considering this. It has to be the most preposterous idea I have heard. Surely people should be big enough and have enough control of their faculties to be able to just ignore those who apparently "irritate" their weak minded selves.
This is like asking for all the bad things to be hidden from you because you just cant handle the real world of sharp objects.
Doing such a thing is actually robbing people of some of the greater lessons in life, such as tolerance. "

[Dumpster Diver]

Identifying oneself by way of three names is a very US Acronymian custom, and it is thus highly popular among the Acronymian audience. It appeals to the conservative in the Acronymian reader/viewer/listener and subliminally causes them to feel more confident about the presenter/researcher.


Well actually, being from the USA Southern region (Redneck Land to some), almost everyone was called out by their First, Middle, and Last name. Or shortened to firsts and middle familiars ala:

Joe-Bob, Billy-Jeff, etc.

We called Bill Clinton: Billy-Bob Clinton or President Billy-Bob.

[Fred Steeves]

And that, then, brings me back to Plato's allegory of the cave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave). To me, all of this is part of The Big Deception™, or perhaps even better put, of the controlled opposition. The more I think about it, the more I'm beginning to agree with Fred's suspicions regarding El Hombre Con Sombrero™ and his equally popular "fellow researchers".

"Allegory of the Cave", an excellent metaphor. For the more visual feel, this 8 minute video narrated by Orson Welles is classic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQfRdl3GTw4

I happened to notice comments by Gio and DNA concerning the Laurel Canyon phenomena today over in Cosmic Emporium. It was an opportune reminder that anyone who has been looking around long and hard enough to "see" the depth and breadth of the goings on there, should be able to "see" the same thing repackaged, lurking just below the surface of this general subject.

As above so below. Nothing ever changes, it just gets modernized and repackaged like breakfast cereal, sometimes with little toy surprises inside :). Either recognize it and shift course accordingly, or continue oohing and ahhing at the shadows on the wall.

[Dreamtimer]

This is for TargeT. You were wondering about the video that shows art-work being appropriated. In Dark Journalist's most recent video on this subject he talks about Jim Nichols and his spaceships. It's at 5:30. But perhaps you've already realized that...

[TargeT]

This is for TargeT. You were wondering about the video that shows art-work being appropriated. In Dark Journalist's most recent video on this subject he talks about Jim Nichols and his spaceships. It's at 5:30. But perhaps you've already realized that...

yep, I've been running in too many directions lately to keep everything strait.. haha

still working on a response video for the coreyness

[Dreamtimer]

coreyness...I see you're learning Aianawese.

I didn't recall immediately what video it was. But I was pretty sure it was in either a DJ or CG thread, et voila.

You probably saw the video of Yvonne Palermo interviewing Jim Nichols. I haven't listened yet, but I imagine it'll be interesting.

[TargeT]

coreyness...I see you're learning Aianawese.

I didn't recall immediately what video it was. But I was pretty sure it was in either a DJ or CG thread, et voila.

You probably saw the video of Yvonne Palermo interviewing Jim Nichols. I haven't listened yet, but I imagine it'll be interesting.

My only area of expertise is military and IT, it's also one of the few areas I can get corroborative evidence for my arguments, so I'm going to just focus on that... the rest would be speculation for me. (though the stolen artwork is a nice bit as well).

[donk]

Well you're also an expert of sorts (as we all are) on the phenomenon of Corey turning from mild mannered forum poster to alt community "relevancy".

It would be a disservice to not add the latest "puzzle piece" in this mess: the allegation that CG fan "keeptrying" is the very same poster that triggered Bill to start the thread that this very thread is actually about

[PurpleLama]

Well you're also an expert of sorts (as we all are) on the phenomenon of Corey turning from mild mannered forum poster to alt community "relevancy".

It would be a disservice to not add the latest "puzzle piece" in this mess: the allegation that CG fan "keeptrying" is the very same poster that triggered Bill to start the thread that this very thread is actually about

"Kerry Cassidy Regarding Protecting Confidentiality" is the main thread, although there were others in which she participated.

Its no allegation, soon after she joined TOT I asked, and she confirmed she was seeking senior.

[Gio]

She's milking it ...

James Gilliland Group Channeling - ECETI Conference

Divine Frequency


Published on Jul 7, 2017

Learn about Teresa's experience with a group channeling that occurred at the Enlightened Contact with
Extraterrestrial Intelligence conference at Jame Gilliland's ranch in Trout Lake, Washington.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrHes9Q88Es&feature=em-uploademail

[Gio]

I doubt she got permission to use the Eceti logo on her video ...
James is very protective/restrictive of his ranch's image ... :fpalm:

Post note: The conference was over on the 4th July ...
She filmed this last weekend - Uploading now - since
bandwidth is very restrictive and limited at the ranch.

She is most defiantly an opportunist.

[TargeT]

What year (and month) was the first "Corey" video publicly released the one he claims cost him jobs?

statement is here:
https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/6302-The-Plan-(blogs-by-theruiner777)?p=841919342&viewfull=1#post841919342


IIRC it was early 2012?

editing this is frustrating because I keep getting caught up on stupid details like this....

[lake]

Donate till hurts, like while wearing lycra and doing star jumps?

Re really? Yes, but I squashed a few together in the one sentence. There were lots of 'star struck' people who believed they were talking to a real live insider who might know St Germain. When he started 'reluctantly' (pfft) posting, there were many who posted salutations fit for royalty. Thanking him for his time and for doing what he was doing, hanging on his every word. Everyone was on a knifes edge. When one person said something that showed them to be an unbeliever, others would pelt that poster with retorts. The mob rule of everyone trying to shout over one another was in full effect. Like when you try and quieten a room of children and nearly get there but someone makes a farty noise and they are off again. Then someone would apologise on behalf in an effort to win favour..
Others were like, "I'm a whistleblower too, I've been around for ages don't forget about me!"

Yep see, I am still traumatised by it all this many years later. :lol:

The 'Charles' then 'Atticus' then 'Stephen' thing was the reason I joined PA. I watched the interview by chance, was just browsing around, and then signed up.

I liked PA but eventually considered the actions of the 'staff' to be ....... not quite correct. I was searching for an old post of mine and couldn't find it ( I knew the post I had made and the thread, 1st thread promoting Simon Parkes ). I ripped it apart, time stamps the lot, quotes....called it all bull.
The post and thread were gone. Complained to the staff and was told I must be wrong.

No I was not....I know the post I made....I was not wrong.

Then I began to see an angle of moderation which I did not care for....so after 5 years I asked to be retired.

The original post about 'The Rulers Of The World' is here ( wonder how long for now?)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11437-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-a-new-Project-Avalon-video-interview&highlight=moon


Dear Friends,

It's my pleasure to announce a new video, published today - on 1.1.11, most auspiciously - which covers a very great deal of extremely important new ground.


Which holds links to the video and the audio in the first post.

Funny....it is dated 1st January 2011 and the condemnation of 'Charles' is dated 4th June 2011


The administration of this forum, the moderating team and a handful of senior members have determined after much research and sharing of information that the individual known as Atticus, aka 'Charles', and the group of '18' is not one that this community can continue to support or endorse.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110921114150/http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22102-AN-IMPORTANT-ANNOUNCEMENT-ABOUT-ATTICUS-and-THE-GROUP-OF-18

You may need to 'click' the thread link on that archive page to get the whole thread?

So much bull and so very many lies all for money in my opinion.

There are only two forums which I can state as being 'clean'....here and chani....all else would seem to be diversions.

.

[TargeT]

What year (and month) was the first "Corey" video publicly released the one he claims cost him jobs?

statement is here:
https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/6302-The-Plan-(blogs-by-theruiner777)?p=841919342&viewfull=1#post841919342


IIRC it was early 2012?

editing this is frustrating because I keep getting caught up on stupid details like this....


Oct 30 of 2014... just fyi...

[Dumpster Diver]

Justin of Stillness In The Storm seems to be firmly swinging over to the CG/DW/Gaia TV camp.

http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/07/questions-of-disclosure-examining-anti.html#more

I'll be watching the Koolaid Kult Kids to see the reaction. Fun!

[Mahakasyapa]

"Its no allegation, soon after she joined TOT I asked, and she confirmed she was seeking senior.

:fpalm:

No wonder. This person must be a family member of CG or someone in his inner circle. I've got nuthin nice to say so I'm just gonna leave it at that :fpalm:

[enjoy being]

Thanks for the link Lake!
Wow and eww that was weird. I found my first post in that thread and it was quite a strange thing to read after all these years.
I wonder if it is of interest here? Something seems still relevant.. why not. Maybe I have just been going round and round in circles saying the same thing for years. Lol.



3rd Jan 2011

What is disclosure? what ought be disclosure?
What is there to disclose? truth? lies? the unknown? that which we might already know?
Whose disclosure? of what? Telling every one every thing? Things that can't be understood by the telling?
In the same breath nobody knows what is going to happen next. This is because everyone tends to still all be in the fishbowl, relating to things from within the paradigm.
This interview perhaps hints at a certain sort of disclosure, one that is probably considered by some as unintentional even. It may prove to disclose the mind and the eye of those wishing to present the angle presented. It may confirm the smallness and narrowness as being a product of a particular habitual side of the human condition. There is no fault necessarily for this in each individual who considers themselves one of these PTB, for in ways we are being disclosed things about our 'selves'. Disclosure of the fear and need for self preservation.

I have sat here reading most of the replies on the two related threads, and have seen some great points made. Over the time I had many things to add and agree on. The humorous thing I continuously find is the willingness to forget that our own mind body construct is the greatest piece of gadgetry and technological wizardry that is absolutely no match for the so called big guns.

[Fred Steeves]

I already posted this in "The Avalon Files" some time back, but there are some fresh faces both new and old hanging around now, and it's relevant again to the current "Charles" theme. It takes a bit of reading but the content is priceless, at least to those who give a flying shit about history and context because remember, history tends to repeat itself. The following contains blocks from the PA mod chat copied by then Admin Richard leading up to the grand unveiling, clearly demonstrating BR's utter incapacity (or unwillingness take your pick) to research and vet, when his interests would not be served by doing so:
http://nexusxroads.info/forum/showthread.php?3482-Avalon-Atticus-Events-Timeline

From Nexus forum thread "The Avalon Files":
http://nexusxroads.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?55-The-Avalon-Files

[enjoy being]

Wow Fred, that is interesting. I haven't finished reading all that as it got a bit much. I thought Nexus had shut down but I see the address got changed.
Umm it fills in a few things and strangely I was sort of involved with some of that and either just stumbled over it or was correctly in tune.

For a start, it was me who saw Gypsywoman and sensed that she was another past poster from another forum, and named her Wings4Wheels. It was a scary similarity in the posting style mainly, well more than just the style but general behaviour. I was quite shocked when after I mentioned it in the thread that it was picked up by several people as if I had hit the nail on the head somewhere.
And in an earlier post here I mentioned I PM'd Inelia. What I didn't mention is that I also PM'd Bill (for some reason- I guess intuitively) and stated that I had identified Inelia's 'vibration' as an important member representing a group of us who were members of the forum (or something very similar to that effect). This was prior to her coming out and challenging Charles, like within the first week of the video going live.
I know myself and my intentions, so can say I was not acting under any conscious plan. But as I have said, the whole sequence of events in watching the video and joining the site for me was like I was lead there, I had been on a LONG break from watching such videos or being involved in forums, and just woke up one morning from a troubled sleep and before I even got out of bed was watching and signing up.
That has remained the more disturbing or real part of it for me.
The social experiment it turned out to be, seems like it was a valuable lesson that I was meant to observe.
But I see now that I had some sort of part in it.

I am glad you decided to put this up again so I could see it.

Adds, although it is a bit freaky finding out things I didn't know, like who Whitehaze was, there was so many making blind stabs in the dark and reacting, I thought mention of him being another Charles account was just more of that...(oh just reading and I remember now, he just coincidentally had the given name of Charles right?). Although it seems a little like dredging up irrelevant stuff from the past, I kind of agree it is prudent to remember what happened, and the complexity of it all, especially moving forward. I just presumed people like The Ruiner, was just some guy who had watched it all and wanted to have a go at the charade. But who knows. And CG? I have never paid a moments attention to his material anyway to be honest. I just remember him as actively involved with the Charles threads at the time like many. Sort of an icky feeling, I don't really like to go on about it, even this thread seems a bit indulgent, but I also believe it is as much as something which should be let go of, it should be remembered in alt forum history as a lesson.

[Outlander]

Perhaps a little bit off topic, but than again maybe not...

CONTRIBUTOR POST: 9/11 AND BREAKAWAY RECRUITMENT?
July 8, 2017
By Joseph P. Farrell

We have recently started accepted guest blogs and contributions, and when Mr. M.A. sent this one, I knew I had to include it in this week's blogs. The reason? Well, regular readers here know we like to connect dots. But more importantly, they also know that one of my "themes" is that the Powers that Be, in their bottomless byzantine malfeasance, like to combine several operational objectives or levels in one operation. Think of it as a kind of "conspiracy counterpoint." Well, Mr. M.A. came up with an interesting "conspiracy counterpoint" as a result of some of his investigations that I thought worth passing along for your consideration. He's not the first to make the observation about the passengers on the flight that allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, but he is, I think, one of the first that has suggested a very important speculation. Accordingly, I've highlighted a part of his short article that drove the point home for me.

Here's Mr. M.A.'s guest contribution this week:

"One of the most important things I have discovered during my recent years of enlightenment about alternate knowledge is revision. As I have learned more about what really is going on in the world I have gone back and revisited things that I had dismissed previously as nonsense only to now find I was dead wrong.

"Yesterday I watched Loose Change 911 again. My attention was particularly drawn to the section about flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon. Points of interest were that the plane only had 64 people on board. That is only 30% capacity for that aircraft. I find it hard to believe a commercial aircraft would be allowed to take off less then a third full.

"Next was the disproportionate number of passengers who had specific expertise in security, defense and science backgrounds on board. For example there were people from Raytheon, Lockead Martin, US Navy, US army, Boeing, US Defense Department, Barbra Olsen and so on.

"'So What!' you may say.

"Well I remember Joseph recently talking about the assassination attempt on Hitler during WW2 and how the culprits were supposedly tried and executed. It is now believed the whole thing was a ruse to get these valuable people out of Germany without causing suspicion prior to Germany's capitulation. After all no one would be looking for dead people.

"I have often pondered about the Secret Space Program that so many researches believe exist. For such a program to exist, a massive, highly-skilled work force would have to be assembled. The program would need incredible security for a start. Then there would be no limit to the number of scientists and engineers required. Finally the shear amount of labour required for building, feeding, housing, medical needs and so on would be monumental. Where would these people come from? How would you control security, employing people from the general public?

"I believe Catherine Austin Fitts has made a reasonable assumption that some of these jobs have been taken up by uncredentialed boarder-jumpers coming into the US from Mexico. I don't believe these people would be highly skilled however.

"My revision of the Loose Change documentary has opened my eyes to the possibility that false flag operations can be used as a means of recruitment for the Secret Space Program. The passengers on flight 77 were all pronounced dead, their relatives believe them to be dead. All this with no real tangible proof that a passenger airliner actually hit the Pentagon. All those on board could have been recruited with little fear of exposure.

"We can also look at missing Flight MH370. It was reported that 4 Chinese scientists who had a joint patent with the infamous Carlyle Group were on board. The patent was reportedly for some type of cloaking technology. Could the disappearance of this aircraft been arranged for the purpose of recruiting the scientists?

"We can also look at the number of special forces that have disappeared over the years. The operation to kill Osama Bin laden comes to mind, when the helicopter carrying the seal team blows up in mid air: no bodies recovered and all Pakistani news was silenced on the incident.

"I'm sure it would be an interesting exercise for a list to be compiled by contributions from members who know of other false flags where recruitment could have taken place."

My only addition to Mr. M.A.'s thesis here would be that false flags might not be the means of recruitment as much as they are the means of "disappearing" people from one civilization, only to have them transferred to re-emerge in another, say, for example, Mr. Richard Dolan's "breakaway civilization." What I also find fascinating here is that seldom-discussed other plane that landed in Cleveland, Ohio, on 9/11: placed in the context of Mr. M.A.'s hypothesis, it does make one wonder. But whether recruitment or creating false legends of specific people's deaths, I think he's on to something.

https://gizadeathstar.com/2017/07/contributor-post-911-breakaway-recruitment/

[Lord Sidious]

The 'Charles' then 'Atticus' then 'Stephen' thing was the reason I joined PA. I watched the interview by chance, was just browsing around, and then signed up.

I liked PA but eventually considered the actions of the 'staff' to be ....... not quite correct. I was searching for an old post of mine and couldn't find it ( I knew the post I had made and the thread, 1st thread promoting Simon Parkes ). I ripped it apart, time stamps the lot, quotes....called it all bull.
The post and thread were gone. Complained to the staff and was told I must be wrong.

No I was not....I know the post I made....I was not wrong.

Then I began to see an angle of moderation which I did not care for....so after 5 years I asked to be retired.

The original post about 'The Rulers Of The World' is here ( wonder how long for now?)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11437-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-a-new-Project-Avalon-video-interview&highlight=moon



Which holds links to the video and the audio in the first post.

Funny....it is dated 1st January 2011 and the condemnation of 'Charles' is dated 4th June 2011



https://web.archive.org/web/20110921114150/http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22102-AN-IMPORTANT-ANNOUNCEMENT-ABOUT-ATTICUS-and-THE-GROUP-OF-18

You may need to 'click' the thread link on that archive page to get the whole thread?

So much bull and so very many lies all for money in my opinion.

There are only two forums which I can state as being 'clean'....here and chani....all else would seem to be diversions.

.

Problem with it is that people got caught up in the mystery and propaganda and believed all sorts of crazy rubbish

[Dumpster Diver]

Perhaps a little bit off topic, but than again maybe not...

CONTRIBUTOR POST: 9/11 AND BREAKAWAY RECRUITMENT?
July 8, 2017
By Joseph P. Farrell

We have recently started accepted guest blogs and contributions, and when Mr. M.A. sent this one, I knew I had to include it in this week's blogs. The reason? Well, regular readers here know we like to connect dots. But more importantly, they also know that one of my "themes" is that the Powers that Be, in their bottomless byzantine malfeasance, like to combine several operational objectives or levels in one operation. Think of it as a kind of "conspiracy counterpoint." Well, Mr. M.A. came up with an interesting "conspiracy counterpoint" as a result of some of his investigations that I thought worth passing along for your consideration. He's not the first to make the observation about the passengers on the flight that allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, but he is, I think, one of the first that has suggested a very important speculation. Accordingly, I've highlighted a part of his short article that drove the point home for me.

Here's Mr. M.A.'s guest contribution this week:

"One of the most important things I have discovered during my recent years of enlightenment about alternate knowledge is revision. As I have learned more about what really is going on in the world I have gone back and revisited things that I had dismissed previously as nonsense only to now find I was dead wrong.

"Yesterday I watched Loose Change 911 again. My attention was particularly drawn to the section about flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon. Points of interest were that the plane only had 64 people on board. That is only 30% capacity for that aircraft. I find it hard to believe a commercial aircraft would be allowed to take off less then a third full.

"Next was the disproportionate number of passengers who had specific expertise in security, defense and science backgrounds on board. For example there were people from Raytheon, Lockead Martin, US Navy, US army, Boeing, US Defense Department, Barbra Olsen and so on.

"'So What!' you may say.

"Well I remember Joseph recently talking about the assassination attempt on Hitler during WW2 and how the culprits were supposedly tried and executed. It is now believed the whole thing was a ruse to get these valuable people out of Germany without causing suspicion prior to Germany's capitulation. After all no one would be looking for dead people.

"I have often pondered about the Secret Space Program that so many researches believe exist. For such a program to exist, a massive, highly-skilled work force would have to be assembled. The program would need incredible security for a start. Then there would be no limit to the number of scientists and engineers required. Finally the shear amount of labour required for building, feeding, housing, medical needs and so on would be monumental. Where would these people come from? How would you control security, employing people from the general public?

"I believe Catherine Austin Fitts has made a reasonable assumption that some of these jobs have been taken up by uncredentialed boarder-jumpers coming into the US from Mexico. I don't believe these people would be highly skilled however.

"My revision of the Loose Change documentary has opened my eyes to the possibility that false flag operations can be used as a means of recruitment for the Secret Space Program. The passengers on flight 77 were all pronounced dead, their relatives believe them to be dead. All this with no real tangible proof that a passenger airliner actually hit the Pentagon. All those on board could have been recruited with little fear of exposure.

"We can also look at missing Flight MH370. It was reported that 4 Chinese scientists who had a joint patent with the infamous Carlyle Group were on board. The patent was reportedly for some type of cloaking technology. Could the disappearance of this aircraft been arranged for the purpose of recruiting the scientists?

"We can also look at the number of special forces that have disappeared over the years. The operation to kill Osama Bin laden comes to mind, when the helicopter carrying the seal team blows up in mid air: no bodies recovered and all Pakistani news was silenced on the incident.

"I'm sure it would be an interesting exercise for a list to be compiled by contributions from members who know of other false flags where recruitment could have taken place."

My only addition to Mr. M.A.'s thesis here would be that false flags might not be the means of recruitment as much as they are the means of "disappearing" people from one civilization, only to have them transferred to re-emerge in another, say, for example, Mr. Richard Dolan's "breakaway civilization." What I also find fascinating here is that seldom-discussed other plane that landed in Cleveland, Ohio, on 9/11: placed in the context of Mr. M.A.'s hypothesis, it does make one wonder. But whether recruitment or creating false legends of specific people's deaths, I think he's on to something.

https://gizadeathstar.com/2017/07/contributor-post-911-breakaway-recruitment/

Well, we do have evidence that Alternative 3 was real, i.e. thousands of scientists and their families were "recruited" in the 60s & 70s, told they would be part of important, humanity-saving mission, given some post cards to send to loved ones showing that they were indeed moved to a new location (and posted for them) only to have to slave away on Mars or some other Nazi/monster/non-terrestrial garden spot.

https://theunredacted.com/alternative-3-secret-space-program/

When I was younger (in the 60s) there were a lot of mathematicians. In the 80s, I looked around and I couldn't find hardly any. I was one of the few "left". Thank goodness as a garden variety math guy, I'm not all that skilled or I wouldn't have had the pleasure of your company.

[Gio]

In case you haven't had enough of this ongoing alt/community saga ...

The Vinny Eastwood Show with Randy Maugans: Blue Avian Cult Dividing UFO Community,



Randy Maugans discusses themedia war with assholes in the UFO community:
The alternative media is shredding itself over the “Full disclosure now” UFO cult,
They’re attempting a “fakeover”,
George Noory is stumbling off to stage left,
David Wilcock needs a new act,
Roger Ramsaur (reported by the Dark Journalist to be a satanist) is doing comic books and puppet shows,
There’s a changing of the guard in the disclosure community!
It was Randy’s viral post on Facebook that
was leaked to the Corey Goode camp and discombobulated the entire universe.
It also made Bill Ryan drag himself out of obscurity (after 4 years) to write an expose’ on the blue Avian alien cult & Corey Goode.
“Corey’s kids” is a marketing gimmick designed to bring young people into the UFO disclosure movement, using pop culture media like comics, CGI & other tools such as “Disclosure backpacks” full of goodness knows what goodies.
Even Jimmy Church is having a round table discussion on this topic,
asking the question: “Is the UFO community infiltrated?!”

Published on Jul 8, 2017

54:59 minutes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7WWh0bk5U4&feature=em-uploademail

[Dumpster Diver]

Even Jimmy Church is having a round table discussion on this topic,
asking the question: “Is the UFO community infiltrated?!”

Absolutely. There is no "vetting" process to getting involved.

...we got to keep eyes on you alt-world hamsters in case you try to grow up and be a troublesome Colossus like David Wilcock and his bro CG.

[Chester]

Here's a new "goode" one...

Dark-Journalist-Secret-Space-Program-Classified-Hosted-By-Erica-Lukes (http://kcorradio.com/KCOR/Podcasts/UFO-Classified/2017/July/Dark-Journalist-Secret-Space-Program-Classified-Hosted-By-Erica-Lukes-KCOR-Digital-Radio-Netowrk.mp3)

[enjoy being]

Ha, Vinny Eastwood. I have heard that name before. But didn't realise he was a kiwi.
So was WIDE EYES when I saw the background there, as that's the city I live in!
Though it has been wet and wintery for a few weeks so not recent background footage.
I am becoming a master of the off topic posts. :ninja:

Alright, thanks Gio for posting that Vinny show, it cut to the chase very nicely and helped to spell out exactly the shambles being draped over the community. And makes the fact this thread is still running very relevant still. The tendency is, well for me, to think that this topic had become a little indulgent, but with a little sharpening like the above video, it clarifies exactly what we are talking about or should be talking about regards the matter.

[Gio]

Sam Hunter your a trip ...

I post the above (The Vinny Eastwood Show) interview way before your buddy ms Pauler over at Avalon ...

You thank her there but pass my post up and counter post with DJ's ...

Randy is absolutely correct - This alt-community is full hypocrisy ...

giggle :)

[TargeT]

Sam Hunter your a trip ...

I post the above (The Vinny Eastwood Show) interview way before your buddy ms Pauler over at Avalon ...

You thank her there but pass my post up and counter post with DJ's ...

Randy is absolutely correct - This alt-community is full hypocrisy ...

giggle :)


Although, that is reading a lot into actions taken.. I don't keep track of where I post what, or when or often even the current topic (haha, currently ironic?)

I often post just because I need an outlet... don't add me on skype unless you want to hear a lot of random thoughts....

[Gio]

don't add me on skype unless you want to hear a lot of random thoughts....

I won't ...;)

[Dumpster Diver]

I am now convinced Randy Maugans is only in this to stir SH!T for BR.

The very good interview he had with Andy Basiago was good only because Basiago was so well spoken and angry enough to speak his mind. Maugans and his co-host sounded like drunks. Basiago came straight out and said that Bill Ryan was running a COINTELPRO operation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

and now in later interviews Maugans continues to throw half-backed crap at CG and no mention of BR. No balanced views. I can get my spun views from the MSN, thank you very much.

[TargeT]

My final input on this ridiculous topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5zS9fdGOV4

[Dreamtimer]

Do you mean to have the word discernment there at the beginning, TargeT?

[Chester]

My final input on this ridiculous topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5zS9fdGOV4

This video reflects several examples of the same patterns I experienced both personally and in further secondary "following" of Goode and everything that came out from him. The pattern appears to suggest a likely set of harmful pathological behaviors may be at play here. May the vulnerable (as I have been and fortunately, less so now) be better warned. Great investigation, Target... Thanks.

[TargeT]

Great investigation, Target... Thanks.

When I first looked at making a response video to the younglady (Sebrina and Sterling on youtube) I didn't feel like I had much to work with... But then I actually LOOKED at his LinkedIn profile and changed my tactic from focusing on conversations we had to just showing his obvious exaggerations and blatant lies; I feel it's especially damning because it's "LinkedIn" which is suppose to be like a resume for work, not Facebook or a Fantasy writing area... if he's willing to lie there..............


Do you mean to have the word discernment there at the beginning, TargeT?

Yeah, looks like I kinda made a word up there, didn't I?

[Gio]

Will ... :Bump:


In case you haven't had enough of this ongoing alt/community saga ...

The Vinny Eastwood Show with Randy Maugans: Blue Avian Cult Dividing UFO Community,



Published on Jul 8, 2017

54:59 minutes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7WWh0bk5U4&feature=em-uploademail


Ha, Vinny Eastwood. I have heard that name before. But didn't realise he was a kiwi.
So was WIDE EYES when I saw the background there, as that's the city I live in!
Though it has been wet and wintery for a few weeks so not recent background footage.
I am becoming a master of the off topic posts. :ninja:

Alright, thanks Gio for posting that Vinny show, it cut to the chase very nicely and helped to spell out exactly the shambles being draped over the community. And makes the fact this thread is still running very relevant still. The tendency is, well for me, to think that this topic had become a little indulgent, but with a little sharpening like the above video, it clarifies exactly what we are talking about or should be talking about regards the matter.

Thank you Nothing ...

This video interview message is a heads-up for all that have been abused
by any alternative community cult/type personalities ... :thup:

Much thanks to Randy Maugans for being the true unsung hero here !

[donk]

So now that's almost universally accepted that CG says things that are demonstrably untrue, the pillars of integrity in the alt scene continue to debate his intentions, whilst lost in the mix is the fact that the entire community is the fact that we all f*cking lie...if not to each other, at least to ourselves

If you needed "help" from the likes of Bill or DJ or Sam or whoever to use some discernment on anything Corey's ever said that "resonated" with you to REALize it might not be true, you apparently needed to be ran through this ringer...and if you still have doubts then you're just lost. You're gonna need some heinous trauma to be able to learn your next lesson, anything that could possibly help that type or this community has been said as f*cking nauseum.

I find the value to be gained now is that some people are actually looking back. Instead of looking at more sh!t breaking down crap most people never believed in the first place, it seems that a few are looking back. Most of the "history" behind this stuff is not only recorded (in forums and youtubes) but openly public for anyone who cares to see

That was my intent with this thread, not to break down the Corey story, not even to point out Bill Ryan's hypocracy in championing that cause...but to recount my journey and try to gain other perspectives on how it all came to be.

It was fascinating today in my downtown to take a trip down a lot of my friends' memory lane when I followed the links Fred provided a page or two back. I had seen all the stuff before, but through different eyes. This time reading all that Charles stuff and seeing what seeking senior was actually doing, it was amazing to see the parallels...the loops that seem almost intentional, at the same time looking like "human nature"

I like to say that good forum posts are like sand art, you can capture some of the beauty and most of the intent with a snapshot, but more than likely no one will ever see it not too long after it was made, and the snapshot takes some work to be able to get the context. Very few are willing to do the work (or spend all their time reading), but I always enjoyed doing it, and liked bringing my thoughts about it out for scrunity

Reading those group (mod) chats bill was involved in, seeing the stuff he says to me (and others) in private, and comparing it to the character he presents in his public posts...it boggles the mind that the dude gets ANY more cred than Corey. It just blows my mind...especially with the irony that he is the one that "discovered" him, just like he did with Charles

The problem with the "alternative" community? Not the extremists like Corey. It's the "establishment" that gets to straight lie, deceive...harm....people, and not only get pass but somehow get "integrity" and respect for doing it

[modwiz]

So now that's almost universally accepted that CG says things that are demonstrably untrue, the pillars of integrity in the alt scene continue to debate his intentions, whilst lost in the mix is the fact that the entire community is the fact that we all f*cking lie...if not to each other, at least to ourselves

If you needed "help" from the likes of Bill or DJ or Sam or whoever to use some discernment on anything Corey's ever said that "resonated" with you to REALize it might not be true, you apparently needed to be ran through this ringer...and if you still have doubts then you're just lost. You're gonna need some heinous trauma to be able to learn your next lesson, anything that could possibly help that type or this community has been said as f*cking nauseum.

I find the value to be gained now is that some people are actually looking back. Instead of looking at more sh!t breaking down crap most people never believed in the first place, it seems that a few are looking back. Most of the "history" behind this stuff is not only recorded (in forums and youtubes) but openly public for anyone who cares to see

That was my intent with this thread, not to break down the Corey story, not even to point out Bill Ryan's hypocracy in championing that cause...but to recount my journey and try to gain other perspectives on how it all came to be.

It was fascinating today in my downtown to take a trip down a lot of my friends' memory lane when I followed the links Fred provided a page or two back. I had seen all the stuff before, but through different eyes. This time reading all that Charles stuff and seeing what seeking senior was actually doing, it was amazing to see the parallels...the loops that seem almost intentional, at the same time looking like "human nature"

I like to say that good forum posts are like sand art, you can capture some of the beauty and most of the intent with a snapshot, but more than likely no one will ever see it not too long after it was made, and the snapshot takes some work to be able to get the context. Very few are willing to do the work (or spend all their time reading), but I always enjoyed doing it, and liked bringing my thoughts about it out for scrunity

Reading those group (mod) chats bill was involved in, seeing the stuff he says to me (and others) in private, and comparing it to the character he presents in his public posts...it boggles the mind that the dude gets ANY more cred than Corey. It just blows my mind...especially with the irony that he is the one that "discovered" him, just like he did with Charles

The problem with the "alternative" community? Not the extremists like Corey. It's the "establishment" that gets to straight lie, deceive...harm....people, and not only get pass but somehow get "integrity" and respect for doing it

The Corey's of the world need the right "terrain" to flourish. Notice that dandelions don't grow on beaches but, thrive in lawns. The alt community largely navigates by"feelings" and facts that don't feel good are ignored and/or discarded. New agey beliefs like ignoring the "negative" have been a breeding ground for fookery and foolery because 'blinders' do not change what is happening out of the line of tunnel vision. Awake and aware was a marketing term for the whistleblower circus and led to a false belief that people were awake and aware by attending conferences and watching videos.

Videos can be very instructive if the speaker has a clue and shares information of applicable utility that results in being more effective or discerning. Forming a truly dynamic thinking community is rarely part of the awake and aware agenda. People like Max Igan are barely known as well as Mark Passio. There might be name recognition but little else. The few who know the wisdom of these people are too few. Those who want to work for a better world instead of having it delivered are also scant.

[donk]

What piece of information could possibly effect another enough to change their behavior? The want for disclosure is a "savior paradigm" in itself, we just need that truth bomb that will change everything :frantic:

My hope to find a way other than straight trauma has been fruitless. How can I teach my kids....anything? Wisdom? Everybody seems to know everything already...especially them. Well they got one thing right, their dad is pretty goofy and dumb...even if he can sound smart sometimes when he tries

And it never seems to change, until someone gets hurt. Pain is the only teacher we ever seem able to listen, and most of us would rather forget than actually learn

It's not just fertile ground, rad, I don't believe this sh!t just grows like weeds. There's someone's will, at least their intent...if not their knowledge of emotional manipulation. This "phenomenon" isn't mystically untraceable. People's choices brought us to where we are, I don't believe in accidents/coincidence. There's findable purpose here

[Dumpster Diver]

So now that's almost universally accepted that CG says things that are demonstrably untrue, the pillars of integrity in the alt scene continue to debate his intentions, whilst lost in the mix is the fact that the entire community is the fact that we all f*cking lie...if not to each other, at least to ourselves

If you needed "help" from the likes of Bill or DJ or Sam or whoever to use some discernment on anything Corey's ever said that "resonated" with you to REALize it might not be true, you apparently needed to be ran through this ringer...and if you still have doubts then you're just lost. You're gonna need some heinous trauma to be able to learn your next lesson, anything that could possibly help that type or this community has been said as f*cking nauseum.

I find the value to be gained now is that some people are actually looking back. Instead of looking at more sh!t breaking down crap most people never believed in the first place, it seems that a few are looking back. Most of the "history" behind this stuff is not only recorded (in forums and youtubes) but openly public for anyone who cares to see

That was my intent with this thread, not to break down the Corey story, not even to point out Bill Ryan's hypocracy in championing that cause...but to recount my journey and try to gain other perspectives on how it all came to be.

It was fascinating today in my downtown to take a trip down a lot of my friends' memory lane when I followed the links Fred provided a page or two back. I had seen all the stuff before, but through different eyes. This time reading all that Charles stuff and seeing what seeking senior was actually doing, it was amazing to see the parallels...the loops that seem almost intentional, at the same time looking like "human nature"

I like to say that good forum posts are like sand art, you can capture some of the beauty and most of the intent with a snapshot, but more than likely no one will ever see it not too long after it was made, and the snapshot takes some work to be able to get the context. Very few are willing to do the work (or spend all their time reading), but I always enjoyed doing it, and liked bringing my thoughts about it out for scrunity

Reading those group (mod) chats bill was involved in, seeing the stuff he says to me (and others) in private, and comparing it to the character he presents in his public posts...it boggles the mind that the dude gets ANY more cred than Corey. It just blows my mind...especially with the irony that he is the one that "discovered" him, just like he did with Charles

The problem with the "alternative" community? Not the extremists like Corey. It's the "establishment" that gets to straight lie, deceive...harm....people, and not only get pass but somehow get "integrity" and respect for doing it

Interesting post and perspective. Thanks for it and starting this thread. I learned a bunch from it and it started me on a discovery voyage of my own.

I think "damning" anybody for their actions simply reflects on issues in your own karmic journey.

[donk]

(Re)Watching middle of season 3 of Orphan Black, the "wild" progtaginist clone is hallucinating about her first "sister" who's identity she took when she killed herself in the beginning of the first episode:

"I don't understand the why

...

Stop asking why...start asking who"

...I'm fairly certain that's predictive program and/or a direct message from the universe to me :thup:

[Fred Steeves]

Many thanks to Bill Ryan, for sharing this most fascinating conversation with fellow researcher Richard Dolan. In just the first 35 minutes thus far, it has greatly helped flesh out the skeleton (as RD puts it) of some ponderings I have had simmering on the back burner concerning this general subject for quite some time now.

I look forward to catching the rest as time allows.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98734-Richard-Dolan-talks-to-Bill-Ryan-in-depth-Corey-Goode-Andy-Basiago-Bill-Tompkins-MUFON-and-more

[Gio]

Thanks Bill,

Catch the wave ... :rolleyes:

"Message Of The Guardians" by Nalamora


Published on Jul 5, 2017

A theme song for the Blue Avian message! Based on the testimony of Corey Goode
Music and lyrics by Neil Nyberg of Nalamora (copyright 2017)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmansBnC7lI

[enjoy being]

Just had this commissioned to help show some of the aliens that exist in outer space.
Taking it live soon, I'ma be a star.

https://cdn.drawception.com/images/panels/2013/7-1/B7LCKExxT9-14.png

[Dumpster Diver]

....umm, reprogramming "humanity" one 3rd level density critter at at time.

If you read between the lines, the Blue Chickens are stuck at 6th level and can't level up until they fix the mess they allowed in the solar system (letting one planet get blown the f**k up - Tiamat, and another totally messed up and radiated - Mars, and now have a polluted mess here on Earth to boot, while totally mismanaging their guardianship of us 3rd level boneheads through allowing 4th density Evil Sh!ts inside the solar system defenses to screw everything up. They (Blue Chickens, not to mention the Agarthians) are breaking the "prime directive" left, right, and center trying to save their own bacon(s).

[enjoy being]

Thanks for putting that up Fred, I too have only listened to 35 mins of it so far, may or may not listen to the rest. It so far says what should have been obvious to most. I mean should have been the obvious course of action for most. I already stated one page back I think.
The blatant irresponsibility is glaringly obvious in the packaging and to me that makes it instantly rejected. I do not even have to hear the fellows claims, which I haven't, apart from what is over heard by others. I have seen the packaging and costuming and see that as completely irresponsible. It says it all. And as I said, they don't matter. I don't need to force myself to try and understand or accept any of it, if it was to have any element of truth, someone else can bring it to the table, minus the branded apparel.

The main point to keep this broader subject worthy of discussion, is the attack and set back on genuine UFO and SSP research.
We seem to have a bunch who try to pull the PC card out of not ridiculing these people, I would agree only in the fact they should have just been totally ignored to start with.

[Fred Steeves]

Thanks for putting that up Fred, I too have only listened to 35 mins of it so far, may or may not listen to the rest.

Well sure Nothing, glad you got something from it. Just to be clear though, it wasn't the topic of their conversation that finally added a couple of missing pieces to the overall mosaic I'm looking at here.

[Dumpster Diver]

This deserves it own insert:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMhhQwbyLQc

This is an important video. You need to listen to it all. Dolan is a great researcher and I agree with a lot, if not all of his views on research. I do feel his background experience differs from others. My background of seeing differing timelines, future viewing, and telepathy through my wife gives me a differing initial grounding for my research going forward. So his is different than mine and is different than others. You can only go from your personal experience and then go on to "prove" derivations from there.

He believes "the" Secret Space Program is real. I believe it is not just one program but many and that they extend much farther out in space than Dolan does.

He believes that Cory Goode is spinning a story. I think CG is as well, but it is largely irrelevant, it's just a fancy SF story. I think the real damage is being done to David Wilcock. This has the prospect of coloring DW's research that is quite apart from CG's adventures with Blue Chickens simply due to the close association of DW with CG. Remember, DW's research blows up virtually every area of science and history, certainly history of the sciences. This is important stuff.

His view on the changing story of Basiago is important. Remember Mars became a huge part of his story, but his story breaks into two parts: the time traveling, some of which I have issues with, and his Mars "adventures." Listening to it, it does seem disjointed. Dolan seems to confirm it.

I agree with Dolan on MUFON as well. They are a severely compromised organization to the point where I am afraid of them. But I disagree that they are fixable. Any organization that is grasping for money to have it go on will have these problems, BTW.

[Chester]

Great Post DD... Thanks button was not enough. DW has some serious damage control, yes. And your point about MUFON related to funding issues explains a little better why they might allow their standards to be compromised. Good to see things from a larger perspective.

[Dumpster Diver]

Thanks Sam. While I do think BR is running a psyop at Camelot and later at Avalon, he is a superb interviewer here (and contrary to the initial claim, it is an interview). He asked good, clear questions and then gets out of the way of a very competent linguist who knows exactly what he (Dolan) is about.

[sandy]

What would be the need to be worried about DW....Dumpster Diver....did he not make the choice to collaborate with Corey....is he not culpable for his actions??

[Dumpster Diver]

What would be the need to be worried about DW....Dumpster Diver....did he not make the choice to collaborate with Corey....is he not culpable for his actions??

Well, as DW's program Wisdom Teaching is vastly much more important than anything CG has said, that reservoir of findings is what is important and is at risk. People are fickle. If DW gets branded with CG's misinformation, they will tend to discount everything else he has researched. I think this was a huge risk on his part. It seems to me that DW exhibits a certain level of naiveté that is laughable at times. Another is his recent attendance of some of these masquerade parties. Totally stupid. If you must go, keep the mask on so nobody knows you are there.

[sandy]

Seems it may be hard for some to accept that DW is human and can speak with forked tongue so to speak....

say one thing, do another...lessons to be learned from one's actions are always the result.....

some are absolutley wonderful and other are not...but they are his lessons and possibly those who follow blindly as well IMO...

[enjoy being]

DW has been clumsy and naive for years. Maybe goofy and reckless as two other descriptions. Not listening to his own wisdom.
Not listening to the lessons knocking on the door. Karma bites.

On the other hand that display of character equally sets up big flashing lights for people to come and play games with him. I don't really have sympathy for that. I mean, I step aside for people to learn their lessons in order to not be responsible for them being dished out more and incrementally stiffer ones.

[Chester]

What would be the need to be worried about DW....Dumpster Diver....did he not make the choice to collaborate with Corey....is he not culpable for his actions??

I am of the view that anyone can make a mistake, recognize it, learn from it and then adjust their behavior which reflects they actually learned from it. Sometimes folks make the same mistake(s) again and again and yet, one day... they demonstrate a behavior change which might be perceived by others that they actually (finally) saw the light and made the appropriate changes..

Having said all the above, I am always open to anyone's true behavior changes, regardless of whether they made a particular (glaring) mistake once or... show a pattern of making the same general (glaring) mistake again and again.

A case in point is... myself. I used to put folks above "human" status where I then valued their own opinions to such a degree I avoided the personal responsibility of doing what I needed to do to form a well founded opinion of my own.

Another case in point is - Simon Parkes. I was of the opinion based on my gathering of information (though entirely second hand) and then one tiny, brief admission/apology that Simon had behaved in ways that was harmful to others. It was my opinion that Simon needed (at the very least) counseling while simultaneously stopping the "counseling" it seemed he was "performing" with others. But the last I heard about any of this was exactly one year ago (when Simon made his admission/apology). Therefore it is possible that he has done (whether via counseling or whatever) what he (IMO) needed to do to make the changes in himself such that his behavior changed and folks stopped being harmed by this self admitted behavior. So having said all that, if this is true and if over time it appears Simon has stopped being harmful to others, then I am (once again) open to Simon Parkes - the experiencer and open to Simon's information/stories. Of course though I then have the same hurdles to achieve like the ones I encountered with Corey Goode. I am unsure if Simon would pass my smell test there as I have other (provable) data that Simon can lie and/or embellish and/or twist truth to appear to be something it is not. Still, I would applaud him if he stopped the harmful behavior I pointed to above.

My experiences with Shane Bales was (and is) the very most significant learning experience I have ever gone through in the big basket of experiences I call my "Online other-worldly explorations." Many here at TOT had (and may still have) a terribly negative view of Shane. My view of Shane is quite the opposite not just because of what I learned but because the relationship evolved through it all and is now in a very good place. What I learned is a better way of creating and maintaining relationships with those I meet in this community. Unfortunately there are relationships that have been permanently lost (at least some appear to be that way... and not because of my decision for them to be that way). But since that strange stretch of my life experience, I made adjustments in my operational protocol and I have many new, quite amazing relationships, some improved relationships generated from before all that and hope to enjoy more.

I will leave the Space Savior / Bird Man subject alone.

[Chester]

Well, as DW's program Wisdom Teaching is vastly much more important than anything CG has said, that reservoir of findings is what is important and is at risk. People are fickle. If DW gets branded with CG's misinformation, they will tend to discount everything else he has researched. I think this was a huge risk on his part. It seems to me that DW exhibits a certain level of naiveté that is laughable at times. Another is his recent attendance of some of these masquerade parties. Totally stupid. If you must go, keep the mask on so nobody knows you are there.

I sometimes refer to him as David Wilcrook as in... will crook anyone out of their money that he can. I have two important and well proven data points for developing this moniker. The first being the threats he made to use the power of the FBI to enforce copyright of material he claimed was his where in fact it simply reflected the teachings of the perennial philosophy known to cultures through the world for eons. And further to that, DW has insinuated that "Three Letter Agencies" of the US are all agencies of "the cabal" (according to many of his blogposts, conferences and videos)... "a cabal" from which he presents himself to be a champion in freeing us. I saw that as terribly hypocritical.

But then there's the well documented ripoff Wilcock pulled off involving a project that died where he had acquired funds from various participants and then just dropped the project and offered no repayment plan to those who sent him funds for support of the project. That, to me, is not the behavior I expect from a Wisdom Teacher.

Now, perhaps he has changed... oooops, well, his capitalization as tag team teamate with Corey Goode fits the same underlying lack of integrity.

But having said all the above, I have a past which is filled with actions that are equally "bad" if not "worse" with a difference. I have been able to arrest those behaviors (years ago) and ironically, what made the difference for me in making these changes had much to do with my studies related to so many of the topics Wilcock has broached but where I removed the elements of my life that would present opportunities for self-compromise because my conscience grew out of my studies and I accepted my character weakness and felt I should no longer expose myself such that I may, once again, allow self compromise.

Perhaps this one day may become the case for David Wilcock (time and new data would need to demonstrate serious changes), and I hope it happens and if so, I will become, like I might be for Simon and like I am for Shane Bales... one of David Wilcock's biggest supporters.

[Dumpster Diver]

As I have said before, I view everyone in this "biz" as data sources. Their worth to me is simply a mathematical product of truthful/non-truthful provable statements (almost all personally observed, or researched from solid sources) and number of such statements attributable to each source. I am not interested in Gurus. I am my own Guru. :shocked:

As far as funding goes, I fund things according to worth to me in my data collection efforts and worthy causes that I have personally checked out.

I use videos and media as vectors to explore and nail down as verifiable/non-verifiable.

As a result of such, DW has the highest positive provable of all the folks I track. This is almost entirely due to his Wisdom Teachings. In this scheme, CG wears DW's rating down as other solid sources (Richard Dolan is a good example) oppose CG and as DW & CG agree, the linkage pulls DW down. As yet, in my view CG is almost entirely negative for DW, both in risk and in provability scoring.

[Lord Sidious]

Whilst you guys argue about various ''personalities'' and their merits, let me ask you this, how many ''whistleblowers'' have been revealed as fakes?

[Aragorn]

Whilst you guys argue about various ''personalities'' and their merits, let me ask you this, how many ''whistleblowers'' have been revealed as fakes?

A question perhaps easier to answer would be "How many have not been revealed as fakes?" And we can extend that question with regard to so-called researchers as well. :eyebrows:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qKcJF4fOPs

[TargeT]

Whilst you guys argue about various ''personalities'' and their merits, let me ask you this, how many ''whistleblowers'' have been revealed as fakes?

Don't mind the fake ones, Do mind the manipulative money harvesting from DW & CG.

If your spinning a story fine.. if your spinning a story and telling lies intended to manipulate a market into giving you money... I take offense... I don't like seeing people abused, especially when they are not aware of it.

[Dumpster Diver]

Whilst you guys argue about various ''personalities'' and their merits, let me ask you this, how many ''whistleblowers'' have been revealed as fakes?

You might have to define "fake."

I track a sort of controlled opposition index and CG and DW have moved up as they appear to be participating in a dialectic with BR/Maugans/Dolan etc.

It seems Avalon has "revealed" many recognized "fake" personalities and high probability pseudo projects (Serpo, for example)

In my scheme, the top tactics of the Deep State are:

money manipulation and control thru the fiat money system
two sided dialectic constructs
False Flag (gladio) attacks/conflict initiation
timeline manipulation
control of information sources including educational systems
takeover and control of secret societies
establishment of religions and cults (my view is all religions are Deep State controlled entities)

down the list are:
establishing controlled personalities and groups used to manipulate the alt-world community. IMO, as we are a flea on the dog of humanity, we are several orders of magnitude lower in importance in the Deep State tactical scheme.

[Chester]

Whilst you guys argue about various ''personalities'' and their merits, let me ask you this, how many ''whistleblowers'' have been revealed as fakes?

http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013/08/10-famous-infamous-whistleblowers-001083?slide=0

here's a list of some that so far don't seem to be fakes... but the more I think about your post, I think the context you meant this in is in the field of UFOlogy... and in that regard, you have a gooooood point.

[Aianawa]

From what i see so far, this DW and CG story will only get bigger and bigger Sam, good to see you more often here Sam. The clash will continue imo strongly, what may change the landscape is tolerance and cats getting more attention as such, between the loyal dogs and the seeking cats, the ignored hamsters and an adored pony, is a self hug to breathe in and a blessing to breathe out.

[Lord Sidious]

David Wilcock is as legit as a $3 note

[Dreamtimer]

Funny and disturbing are so close sometimes...
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/163/4269/640/3dollarbill.jpg

[TargeT]

From what i see so far, this DW and CG story will only get bigger and bigger Sam, good to see you more often here Sam. The clash will continue imo strongly, what may change the landscape is tolerance and cats getting more attention as such, between the loyal dogs and the seeking cats, the ignored hamsters and an adored pony, is a self hug to breathe in and a blessing to breathe out.

IMO, nothing will significantly move forward until this issue is thoroughly hashed out.

Already Corey is loosing views and subscriber momentum, so perhaps the movement has been curbed a bit in someways, but the "media marketing" part is just spinning up, so that may carry it for a bit longer.

And now Corey is trying to "No Platform" Dark Journalist... basically vigilante censorship, THIS is a VERY dark turn.

[Chester]

From what i see so far, this DW and CG story will only get bigger and bigger Sam, good to see you more often here Sam. The clash will continue imo strongly, what may change the landscape is tolerance and cats getting more attention as such, between the loyal dogs and the seeking cats, the ignored hamsters and an adored pony, is a self hug to breathe in and a blessing to breathe out.

There is tolerance and then there facing oneself in the mirror when the vulnerable are being harmed and "you" kept quiet. Where that magic line between the two lies is a 100% subjective decision.

If it matters, here's my own personal operational protocol - a protocol that took me over 55 years to finally incorporate within my overall set of operational protocols.


Help... help some more... and again help some more until it becomes obvious that I no longer actually helping but that I am enabling the one I had hoped to help. Enabling that one to continue avoiding their own personal responsibility, enabling that one to continue and perhaps increase their self destructive behavior... behavior that may also be harmful to others.


It is at that moment of truth, where I can no longer deny that that magic line has been crossed where I am not only not helping, I am actually doing harm and so I am faced with an act of love which may be the hardest act of love ever to produce and that is...

...to let them go and to make it black and white clear to them that they must do it themselves and that I am no longer going to be there to save them.


I have three sons who are in their mid and early 20s. I have significant experience with the implementation of this protocol as all three have clear (and inherited) factors going against them such as bipolar illness, severe drug/alcohol addiction proclivities and suicidal depression issues.

In one case, my oldest, he is now in the midst of his third psychosis and has had psyche facility / rehab facity experiences as well as several brushes with the law... all related to his conditions. It does not help him that he has followed some of these fake saviors like Corey where, in his weaker moments, my son believes that the anti-Illuminati "factions" (like Corey's fake blue chickens) will save the day. It doesn't help him that marketing machines such as GaiaTV and Wilcock's site, etc. promote this tripe but such is the world.


And back to the original point. I cannot look myself in the mirror if I do not call out those who are acting in ways that blatantly harm others or themselves. If they are a public figure, I call them out publicly. If/when they get a clue and try and do something to make changes, I support those efforts. If they ask my help I apply the above protocol. If they make those changes and time demonstrates they actually did, I applaud them.

[Aragorn]

[...] (like Corey's fake blue chickens) [...]

Sam, I am going to trademark the Blue Chickens™ meme, but I'm not sure who was the first to coin the term. Are you the rightful owner of the copyright, as you were in the case of the Shanolytes™ (© Samuel Chester Hunter)? :D


:ttr:

[Aianawa]

If CG did not have DW,s influence and backing plus support, CG would not be where he is atm, DW has imo good integrity and also shown he is human in erring, its just a ride till someones hurt, hatred is not going to help anyone, proof will help everyone cept the unproven, for DW to keep the wagon rolling, i feel there is data still to come, we will see.

[Lord Sidious]

If CG did not have DW,s influence and backing plus support, CG would not be where he is atm, DW has imo good integrity and also shown he is human in erring, its just a ride till someones hurt, hatred is not going to help anyone, proof will help everyone cept the unproven, for DW to keep the wagon rolling, i feel there is data still to come, we will see.

You ever hear the show he did with Kerry Cassidy where he was crying about the death threats he received?
And they got some guy call in from a long way away?
Guess who and where from?

[Aianawa]

Do tell Lord Sid.
not seen that material.

[Lord Sidious]

Let this sit for a while, some of you know............

[modwiz]

You ever hear the show he did with Kerry Cassidy where he was crying about the death threats he received?
And they got some guy call in from a long way away?
Guess who and where from?

I was doing live posts for people who could not follow it and remember it well. We found out that DW has only one testicle.:ttr:


Do tell Lord Sid.
not seen that material.

Even though I was listening, I don't remember the name. LS is the gossipy one and will tell you when he feels you have waited long enough. It's his Sith nature.

[Lord Sidious]

LS is the gossipy one and will tell you when he feels you have waited long enough. It's his Sith nature.

You wait, ya wizardynugget

[Gio]

Do tell Lord Sid.
not seen that material.

Lord Sid - of course you must be referring to when he appeared on CoasttoCoastAM live show back then ... :)


But note here's a segment of Project Camelot from Kerry Cassidy ...

Reporting on all this drama - With a David's teary eyed reaction ...


David Wilcock receives DEATH THREAT ~ Important Information


Published on Dec 15, 2011

Important interview with David Wilcock from Kerry Cassidy of Project Camelot on American Freedom Radio. This is a developing story - please go to www.divinecosmos.com for the full interview along with the latest updates.

Please share this video with as many people as you can - the time is now.

David Wilcock Divine Cosmos Kerry Cassidy Project Camelot death threat interview source field investigations financial tyranny economic collapse gold china USA america united states black operations budget war extraterrestrials aliens UFO 2012 conspiracy Europe World War Iran Nuclear Dragon Family neil keenan bonds pacer humanitarian awakening spiritual

14:38 minutes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCiC7A47GCw


Here's a bonus ...
The gang's all here smooshing vid with Kerry David and Bill ...


Project Camelot Interviews David Wilcock: Jumproom to Mars


Published on Sep 27, 2011

Project Camelot Interviews David Wilcock: Jumproom to Mars

44:12 minutes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6DIj4-3Qhs

[Lord Sidious]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wfSxPpHTT4
Try this one.............

[enjoy being]

Try this one.............
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1CgIGwFXuGD

Not saying it was you, or me for that matter. :hilarious:

[Lord Sidious]

Right.
So who and where was the ''Irish'' guy?

[enjoy being]

Well, I can't do Irish accents, it sounded more Scottish.
But I would probably put money on it being an Australian who was behind the accent. That is either because I know the accent tones of Australians and NZers quite well and how certain words or pitches don't quite disappear... or I am just imagining such because of the same reason.
I'd still say an Australian that swears a lot and was trying hard not to swear. It definitely was a fake accent, straight out of leprechaun land.
But that's not help apart from the fact it has put yourself on the list of candidates as you like to swear a bit and some of the humour was your brand of humour too perhaps. But I am sure there are a few others that could go on the list.
The person knew who Kerry was because you could read between the lines that they were enjoying calling her Lassie.

[modwiz]

Well, I can't do Irish accents, it sounded more Scottish.
But I would probably put money on it being an Australian who was behind the accent. That is either because I know the accent tones of Australians and NZers quite well and how certain words or pitches don't quite disappear... or I am just imagining such because of the same reason.
I'd still say an Australian that swears a lot and was trying hard not to swear. It definitely was a fake accent, straight out of leprechaun land.
But that's not help apart from the fact it has put yourself on the list of candidates as you like to swear a bit and some of the humour was your brand of humour too perhaps. But I am sure there are a few others that could go on the list.
The person knew who Kerry was because you could read between the lines that they were enjoying calling her Lassie.

I recognized the accent, think it is called ********.:rolleyes:

Nevermind, apparently what is an inoffensive word in the USA is censored here. Who knew?:confused:

[enjoy being]

He probably doesn't even know himself and is just pointing out how we like to plait our arm hairs.

[Lord Sidious]

Well, I can't do Irish accents, it sounded more Scottish.
But I would probably put money on it being an Australian who was behind the accent. That is either because I know the accent tones of Australians and NZers quite well and how certain words or pitches don't quite disappear... or I am just imagining such because of the same reason.
I'd still say an Australian that swears a lot and was trying hard not to swear. It definitely was a fake accent, straight out of leprechaun land.
But that's not help apart from the fact it has put yourself on the list of candidates as you like to swear a bit and some of the humour was your brand of humour too perhaps. But I am sure there are a few others that could go on the list.
The person knew who Kerry was because you could read between the lines that they were enjoying calling her Lassie.

Very, very good.
Yes, an Australian yes he knows her very well.
Anyone wanna guess on that?

[Chester]

Sam, I am going to trademark the Blue Chickens™ meme, but I'm not sure who was the first to coin the term. Are you the rightful owner of the copyright, as you were in the case of the Shanolytes™ (© Samuel Chester Hunter)? :D


:ttr:

I don't think I am... but I cannot recall where I read it or heard it but it was recently. I do recall that drawing with the Baphomet finger sign and so when I heard someone calling them "the Blue Chickens" I saw that "blue avian" image in my mind and said... Yes... that looks like a chicken!

Anyways, I do not claim any royalties on that one.


Very, very good.
Yes, an Australian yes he knows her very well.
Anyone wanna guess on that?

Jack Burns

[Fred Steeves]

And now Corey is trying to "No Platform" Dark Journalist... basically vigilante censorship, THIS is a VERY dark turn.

Do you have a link for that? I'd like to take a look myself.


As for the very latest bit of drama below, do you happen to know where said video can be found? Was a time I would have taken Bill's word for it no questions asked, but that time has long expired.


Hi Folks — there's been an interesting development, and the game just got REALLY dirty.

A video has been uploaded anonymously showing the location of my home, in a remote, rural location in Ecuador.

It's faked, but it's professionally done.

There are no 'authorities' involved, but I'm not going to publicly reveal how I know this; and some of the details are correct but many are not, and I'm not going to reveal which is which, either. :)

The sole intention was for it to serve as a threat. Like: [I]"Dude, we know where you live, so shut the f*** up."

[Lord Sidious]

I don't think I am... but I cannot recall where I read it or heard it but it was recently. I do recall that drawing with the Baphomet finger sign and so when I heard someone calling them "the Blue Chickens" I saw that "blue avian" image in my mind and said... Yes... that looks like a chicken!

Anyways, I do not claim any royalties on that one.



Jack Burns

We have a winner.
Jack Burns of ASIO calling from Canberra in the ACT

[enjoy being]

I just searched that name with a few other key words on google and it linked to a few places, including back to this thread at post #561
and there was one leading to a blog which is closed but which was pasted into a godlike productions thread in 2010 entitled
"Bill Ryan threatens to tell truth about Kerry Cassidy!!!!! Camelot finished!"
I could paste it all if wanted. Just search Jack Burns Kerry Cassidy and click your way to the page..
..apparently letter to someone from BR

Look at the 27 Feb update. Read carefully. The infiltrator is John (Jack) Burns. He works for Australian intelligence. He's got in very close with Kerry and David WIlcock.

He wanted to sack all the volunteers, move Camelot to a central office in Australia, make Kerry a star, have only paid staff, and have him as the co-ordinator. Kerry wanted to do it. I said no way, not ever.

You have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. Camelot is being taken down.


So would one assume this is a rare true scandal from that site?

Also, randomly off topicish, in amongst it, a snip of a cross post from Camelot I presume giving an update about the split, and it is noted it is in a thread made by an avatar named.. Church

[donk]

Here's the mascot for the University I went to:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/67/YoUdee.svg/1161px-YoUdee.svg.png

Our state bird is the blue hen...been representing them avians for decades...the first state is home of the original blue avains...or was it that they made contact here first? Chicken or the avian...um, egg?

Aw poor Bill got doxxed, I'm sure his address is as hard to find as his marital status to anyone who'd care to look...he should call Kerri and do a DW style cry session to make up for any views the corey campaign takes from his DJ videos :frantic:

[Dreamtimer]

So where did Mr. Burns go? Or did he? Is he still behind Kerry, or Bill? Is he still connected to DW? Is he connected to Gaia(m)?

Kerry's still chugging away and Bill is still harvesting.

I'm not registered at GLP so I can't follow that thread.

[donk]

So where did Mr. Burns go? Or did he? Is he still behind Kerry, or Bill? Is he still connected to DW? Is he connected to Gaia(m)?

Kerry's still chugging away and Bill is still harvesting.

I'm not registered at GLP so I can't follow that thread.

My guess is making anonymous videos of Bill's house. How fun will it be to watch Bill pretend to feel threatened from his earth shattering "disclosures" in his convos with DJ & RD etal.?

It would definitely spice up this tired narrative

[enjoy being]

I'm not registered at GLP so I can't follow that thread.

Neither am I, you can click to go to the page anyway, and then just accept the conditions and view. No need to create an account.

[donk]

I just searched that name with a few other key words on google and it linked to a few places, including back to this thread at post #561
and there was one leading to a blog which is closed but which was pasted into a godlike productions thread in 2010 entitled
"Bill Ryan threatens to tell truth about Kerry Cassidy!!!!! Camelot finished!"
I could paste it all if wanted. Just search Jack Burns Kerry Cassidy and click your way to the page..
..apparently letter to someone from BR


So would one assume this is a rare true scandal from that site?

Also, randomly off topicish, in amongst it, a snip of a cross post from Camelot I presume giving an update about the split, and it is noted it is in a thread made by an avatar named.. Church

Hmmmm. Malc starting SSP threads in 2010 and church covering the PC breakdown? Wilcock in the mix the whole time?

My new theory: Aragorn is actually none other than DW. TOT is the base of operations, not PA or PC...Now which of our lovely mod ladies is Kerry??:love:

[enjoy being]

lol donk.

I might just go and do some jigsaws and leave all this to the cogs of the machine that will eventually chew them all up and spit them out as which ever rightful chess pieces they are :-o

[donk]

Oh lord, he's going after Christine again:


This conversation may also be worth reading carefully — with someone who is in what some have called the "Goode-Ramsauer camp". It's edited in one or two places to protect the woman's anonymity.

~~~

Anon: I was told that some of this information was well-known to someone close to you, and Corey had already himself long known some of this information.

I was also told a while ago that "Gonzales" confirmed you're not any kind of "agent" to be worried about, and that it sort of confused Corey to find out you're a regular guy with honest intentions. But that DJ himself was someone to be concerned about because of his connections. I forget the exact wording though, if “agent” was used.

Corey is not aware that I'm in touch with you. But I hope that we can be in communication in some form. It's really looking like a mess.

Bill: Thanks. This is now getting really dirty. The video is faked, of course, but was done professionally by someone with assets and ability behind them.

The person who knows most of that slice of the information and imagery which is correct (including possessing three images included on the video that I've NEVER posted publicly, but that she had access to, and I can't think of who else has) is Christine Anderson, my ex-wife, who originally interviewed Corey in Sept-Oct 2014.

She also of course knows where the house is (and yes, that's my house). There's a very compelling case that she has provided the images and some information, or what she thinks is some information, and it's hard to imagine how she has done this without full knowledge of exactly what was happening or how this would be used.

Her current partner, an Avalon member, interestingly requested a sabbatical just two days ago. That's a little like leaving the building just before a planted bomb goes off. (Did you ever watch Designated Survivor? ) He has now been unsubscribed.

My advice to you, which is genuine: it may be smart to gently step away from this, while making peace with all parties. This is now ugly, illegal, and dirty. Anyone who's got naively caught up in all this might be well-advised to protect themselves.

And I do believe you've been naive. I don't know Ramsauer personally, but I do know Corey, and he's unscrupulous. If that's not believable to you, I respect that, but I do promise you you'll find out sooner or later for yourself and to your own satisfaction.

Emphasis mine...it just kills me how "it just gets dirty" just like "corey just inexplicably blew up"...no responsibility here, I am just of sterling integrity and above it all:tiphat:

[Aragorn]

We have a winner.
Jack Burns of ASIO calling from Canberra in the ACT

Alias Avalon/Camelot whistleblower "Jake Simpson". He and Kerry were sleeping together at the time, which is why she invited him to the Awake & Aware convention.

One of our (somewhat semi-retired) members — who would become a Project Avalon moderator later — sat next to Burns during the initial presentation, and would later that day have dinner with him, El Sombrero™, Kerry, Wilcock, Dolan, Arthur "Henry Deacon" Neumann and Bob Dean.

It was during this dinner that this member found out that Stephen Greer has been compromised, and how/why exactly — video footage was shown to her by Bill and Kerry. Burns was probably behind that whole operation. From what I've been told, that's exactly the sort of thing he does.

[Lord Sidious]

I just searched that name with a few other key words on google and it linked to a few places, including back to this thread at post #561
and there was one leading to a blog which is closed but which was pasted into a godlike productions thread in 2010 entitled
"Bill Ryan threatens to tell truth about Kerry Cassidy!!!!! Camelot finished!"
I could paste it all if wanted. Just search Jack Burns Kerry Cassidy and click your way to the page..
..apparently letter to someone from BR


So would one assume this is a rare true scandal from that site?

Also, randomly off topicish, in amongst it, a snip of a cross post from Camelot I presume giving an update about the split, and it is noted it is in a thread made by an avatar named.. Church

Bill told me on skype that this is all true.


So where did Mr. Burns go? Or did he? Is he still behind Kerry, or Bill? Is he still connected to DW? Is he connected to Gaia(m)?

Kerry's still chugging away and Bill is still harvesting.

I'm not registered at GLP so I can't follow that thread.

He is kerrys controller.
You think wilcock didn't know who that was on the call?

[donk]

I put my foot in my mouth, apologies bill lovers I didn't see this:


Quote Posted by Bluegreen (here)
Recall: When Goode's initial 'conversations' with Christine (which I am very familiar with) were first made public by Avalon his story was backed by Bill Ryan's description of Goode as "a long-standing forum member of the highest integrity". For whatever reason, this story did in fact get off the ground.

---////////-------/////-------

Bill says:

Yes, and at that point he pretty much was "a long-standing forum member of the highest integrity". (And it all 'got off the ground' primarily because I did really quite a good job of that video, despite the poor raw material.)

What's barely been discussed (and almost forgotten about, even by me), is Christine's second interview with him, that was dreadful.

The material was dreadful. To borrow Richard Dolan's words (about Bill Tompkins' book), I would not want to be professionally associated with it. It was not possible to make anything looking even a little like a silk purse out of that sow's ear.

It's instructive to look closely at what happened then. Before Corey's first interview, he was genuinely quite modest and self-assuming. But after that was published, something changed.

It really did. Those Avalon members reading this who were around at the time may remember that well.

I declined to publish the second interview, and one other reason (which I cited) was that the audio quality was also dreadful. And it truly was — like the continuous crackle and hiss and pop from an old 1930s radio set.

I urged Corey to re-record it, which would have taken maybe a quick hour and a half. And I also counseled him that he should ideally use the opportunity of a re-record to build on the first interview, maybe answering questions that he'd received, or was aware of, during the few weeks in between. I was trying to help the guy.

But he became demanding and insistent and critical of me, and spent a full week, text-arguing with me about why I should publish it.... rather than spending a simple hour and a half re-recording it. Go figure. Suddenly, he had got massively headstrong and pushy, and was insisting he was right about everything he said.

(I'm told this happens in Hollywood, too, when a newborn young star, with fame and bright lights gone to their head, starts to try to push their Producer or Director around, thinking they know what's best. They rarely know anything at all, of course.)

That was also reflected in Corey's forum posts of the time, and all that was bound to end in tears — and it did, metaphorically speaking. After I'd NOT published that second interview (he eventually turned to Shane Bales/ 'The Ruiner', who has better audio cleanup software than I have, I think) — Corey left the forum within a month.

To the few people who think it matters, this is where the real "he said, she said" comes in.

I personally don't remember the "second" interview as a separate thing, I thought it was the end of the first one...not that it matters

Christine will have me believe she (and Corey) weren't ready for the "first" one to be published when bill hyped it up and pushed it out. Apparently the unrolling of it changed CG overnight, and bill was on to him immediately, if I read this correctly

Funny, I must not be remembering the event correctly. I remember bill being more concerned about protecting CG's identity than showing any concern over his material

[enjoy being]

You think wilcock didn't know who that was on the call?

From the line in which he called her Lassie and she sort of grunted, it gave away that they BOTH knew each other, because it was such a 'crank call'. That in a normal situation, the caller would be expected to be balled out for being a phoney. It could be a bit harder to tell if DW knew him too, but most likely the same thing applies, a case of silence meaning admission of guilt.

[Aragorn]

From the line in which he called her Lassie and she sort of grunted, it gave away that they BOTH knew each other, because it was such a 'crank call'. That in a normal situation, the caller would be expected to be balled out for being a phoney. It could be a bit harder to tell if DW knew him too, but most likely the same thing applies, a case of silence meaning admission of guilt.

Jack "Jake Simpson" Burns is one of Wilcock's information sources too, so yes, they know each other quite well.

[enjoy being]

Right so this is evidence of a sequence of a fake death threat for emotional immersion for the viewers.

[Lord Sidious]

That and street cred

[Aragorn]

Right so this is evidence of a sequence of a fake death threat for emotional immersion for the viewers.

Maybe you guys haven't noticed, but El Sombrero™ is obviously working hard on a comeback. He's done more interviews and made more public statements in the last six weeks or so than he has in the past five years. And everyone is always out to get him, of course, and/or to attack the integrity and sanctity of the Project Avalon forum, a place known for its compassionate management and its elite of truly enlightened members. :p


:whstl: :ha:

Again, the more I look at this, the more I'm inclined to go with Fred's opinion that this whole convoluted Camelot/Avalon/Wilcock business is one big psyop. And for that matter, one with the appeal of a bad soap opera.

Hmmm... The words "soap" and "psyop" are phonetically very similar. :hmm:




http://images1.the-daily.buzz/live/articles/NSNZ64G_8323743b77bb1ce4b60d330d1089b5ae.gif



:popc:

[enjoy being]

Seems like it could be a favourite form of gaining endorsements of credibility.
So there's no sides, which we knew, but forget, out of, how would you say gullible decent trust.
Have a face off between 'adversaries' and force the hand of the viewers to 'choose' a side.
Most likely pure distraction being the winner on the day, we're back to plaiting our arm hairs.
Or is there a theoretical innocent party still? I can't see one.

[Lord Sidious]

This is why I wonder how people believe all this nuggetry..............

[enjoy being]

Nice of them to go to such an effort for us. I've just been busy not following all involved for quite some time and didn't realise how diabolical it had become, or always was.

Still there's a saying for what can happen now.

"It's been lonely in the saddle since the horse died".

[Elen]

"It's been lonely in the saddle since the horse died".

That made me laugh out loud, Nothing...:ha:

[Aragorn]

This is why I wonder how people believe all this nuggetry..............

Well, we all did, at some point. It's a phase people go through when they're starting to wake up to the fact that the mainstream media and the governments have been lying to us for all of our life. At that point, you are wide open to any kind of information coming from any source outside of the mainstream, and it takes some time, experience and intellectual growth before people begin to learn that the information brokers of the so-called "alternative community" are not quite the righteous and altruistic saints that they believed them to be.

But as you well know, that's only part of the problem. Many remain in that stage where they are only consuming information, just as they would a(ny other) soap opera. Only a handful are brave enough and/or sufficiently committed to the truth to want to make a difference, and to be the change they wish to see. For most of the others, it's merely entertainment.

Sad but true.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xPaeONSn_8

[enjoy being]

On my first forum of this type we had this member who was invaluable. Everyone extremely disliked him because he would dissect their bad programming and hand them a report on their various waftinesses and guru attachments etc.
He was actually very very good at it because no one could ever really claim him to be acting out of self aggrandisement or ego desires, it was just a very clinical dressing down.
It was needed then, and probably still is in certain places. Where are you Timothy Grass!

[Dreamtimer]

Wow. The lows are unfathomable.