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Gio

20th May 2017, 14:42

Even though i rarely partake ...

I am very appreciative of this forum's open discussion platform ...
And i am most thankful for the inspiring individual voices that
have found residence here ...

For i believe these (such) discussions are key for venting out
and furthering any progression into a evolving community ...

The beauty here is there is no need for any so call leader ...
Its strength comes from the strong individual contributions.

The best advice i can give - is to encourage and allow for the
continuing and nurturing of this open minded energy exchange.

Dumpster Diver

20th May 2017, 18:55

Dumpy, the 'road to hell' doesn't mean that all good intentions are bad. It just means that we have to be careful.

Yes, I agree. I'm so careful I typically will not meet personally with YOU or anyone in the "Alt" community that I "met" online much less join some "alt-community" in Equador or wherever. Why? Way too many agendas that even YOU may not know about. MK ULTRA is real and I know that I (and everyone else) are capable of being pulled into a Heavens Gate/James Jones cult or worse with a little brain tweaking.

Being on forums is a little like handling Nitroglycerin. Only my need for info brings me here and typically keeps me from posting.

My favorite quote, "Just because I'm paranoid does not mean you are not out to get me." And you may not even be aware you are out to get me.

AND this is EXACTLY what I think is going with Bill Ryan. He doesn't know he's being controlled. The best slaves think they are doing good.

Dreamtimer

20th May 2017, 20:32

"The best slaves think they are doing good." That's a keeper. As an American, the first image that pops into my mind at that word is related to our own legacy. But slaves can have power. I was amazed to learn the power of slaves under Chinese Dynasties, for example.

Here and now, there are those who know they are slaves, and those who really don't.

I'm not joining any communities or buying any bunkers. My current spot will do for now.

The mind control thing is way more crazy than I ever knew. I thought it was more about nlp type stuff, manipulation, dog whistle terms, etc. I never really knew how deep it can go. Bourne was just a movie to me. Some crazy thing they may have tried once.

Ah innocence, I miss thy presence at times.

Dumpster Diver

20th May 2017, 21:10

Taking off from a popular Beer commercial:

"Stay paranoid, my friends"

modwiz

20th May 2017, 23:41

Dumpster Diver

21st May 2017, 00:14

Dumpy, the 'road to hell' doesn't mean that all good intentions are bad. It just means that we have to be careful.

It's about whether we act emotionally or with reason and analysis, imo. There's quite obviously nothing inherently wrong with good intentions.

If I'm giving out someone's personal info without permission it's not OK just because I meant well. It's not OK to do something wrong and use good intentions as an excuse.

That's what I was saying, anyway.;)

I was just poking at you. :)

My "Christian" upbringing had adults quoting this road to Hell BS, and I started taking offense to it as I do think good intentions (not naive, or manipulative, or thoughtless intentions) are GOOD intentions. Plus, Hell is a crowd control fabrication as mentioned, especially as I am an absolute believer in reincarnation.

Gio

21st May 2017, 00:22

Dumpster Diver

21st May 2017, 00:35

I have an idea. Instead of recounting things we don't like about Bill's past, how about sharing the concepts we might like to see Bill, and other Forums, pursue and highlight as we go forward. Whether we like it or not, BR is a force in our community with some pull and some direction from the invested parties might not only help but, be welcome. We have nothing to lose by this tact and gives us a "moral" high ground. If someone is perceived in any position of "leadership" then a good one will hearken to the voices of wisdom and/or reason. I realize there might be some who will think this is bone-headed.

I see this as very good. As I say, all are information sources and the Alt community should work together. But as BR always tends to throw shade on this, I've come to view him with suspicion. See my last post at this link:

https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11005-The-Mass-Media-Their-message-and-real-intent-Global-Warming/page2

But getting back to your idea, we in the "Alt" community share a lot of common beliefs:

"ETs" are a real phenomenon (and harshly debunked by science)
paranormal phenomenon is real (and harshly debunked by science)
There is a coverup of this by most governments.
The coverup seems to not be in our best interest.
Researchers die, or are suppressed when they research into it.
Numerous events (9/11, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, JFK assassination, etc) look fabricated.
Artifacts of civilization totally out of whack with mainstream science, pyramids, Gobekli Tepi, etc.
Why are there so many "magic numbers"?

Etc, just a list to start off. Why not concentrate of convincing other folks on what we can agree to?

Then go a bit further:

As for the evidence of ETs we have the hard evidence of:

-The Moon is in an incredibly unusual orbit, celestial mechanics states the the double planet of Earth and Moon is unstable given the large planets that perturb this system.
-Mars has at least 5 times the normal amount of background radiation one normally sees as a result of a nuclear detonation, and only a nuclear detonation. One side of Mars looks to be blasted by a large shotgun and the regolith thinned.
-Drake Equation and Fermi's paradox. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

Totally ignored by MSN and MS science.

modwiz

21st May 2017, 00:37

Well said, and i totally agree with your above assessments ...

Perhaps we can discuss these matters further on a Cosmic Emporium TOTcast ... For which i
would like to expand upon these sentiments and other recent developments.

Perhaps? Let's make it so and turn these posts into a promotion for that Cosmic Emporium. Which may be out in the hours to come. A handful or more hours.

Outlander

21st May 2017, 04:40

IF we can take what we learn from all these forum doings maybe it's that the cults "of personality" are dead and dying gasping fish from the time of Pisces.
If a forum can create noncult egalitarian cooperative efforts to LEARN and share and build out of fresh newness, THAT is Aquarian

The original Avalon forum was sort of cultless for a little while

donk

21st May 2017, 13:09

I have an idea. Instead of recounting things we don't like about Bill's past, how about sharing the concepts we might like to see Bill, and other Forums, pursue and highlight as we go forward. Whether we like it or not, BR is a force in our community with some pull and some direction, from the invested parties, might not help but, be welcome. We have nothing to lose by this tact and gives us a "moral" high ground. If someone is perceived in any position of "leadership" then a good one will hearken to the voices of wisdom and/or reason. I realize there might be some who will think this is bone-headed.

"Bone-headed" in the sense of "thick skulled"...we can't solve problems using patterns/methods/tactics by those who created them (what was that famous quote?). This "leader" is doing some good things, I won't deny that...but it deflects from the fact he's (again) doing the very same thing he himself claims is the problem.

The stated problem is that Corey got all this attention, near "main stream"...beyond anything anything even a Richard Dolan has gotten, which threatens the credibility of "real" whistleblowers and the community at large. But whatever you feel about ANY of the players involved in all this, BR was the one that actively propelled CG from poster about the SSP to a super secret whistleblower. He was the originator of the attention everyone's so worried about now

Yes...It is important to hash out WHY Corey's silly story "resonates" with so many. And it is not a negative or personal attack to explore why bill found him so compelling and important in the first place. This isn't about some distant past, it's about ORIGINS, something most of us think are important when researching our pet topic. Getting a TRUE HISTORY. Isolating patient zero of the infection is the first step in finding a cure.

All we've ever done is forgive the negative and excuse any damage done for the all the positive brought in. What some of us are doing looks a lot like "recounting things we don't like about the past", but to us it is learning from mistakes and analyzing data which is necessary for us to pursue to what we want to see going forward

ADDED: i could write a book about things I don't like about bill's past, but I've been pointing out things that show him to be steering the narrative. I know you love to hope aboard the attention he's getting from it, but I believe and am trying to show it's a dangerously false narrative that might not solve and problems and sorta looks to me it's heading in the direction of "same old sh!t"

Sorry pointing this out might be contributing to derailing your agenda, but if you stick to integrity and transparency and truth...nothing should be able to stop it. Especially if I'm wrong, which I'm totally ok with being. Good luck

Gio

21st May 2017, 14:20

Sorry pointing this out might be contributing to derailing your agenda, but if you stick to integrity and transparency and truth...nothing should be able to stop it. Especially if I'm wrong, which I'm totally ok with being. Good luck

Greeting's Phil ... :)

From my point of view there is no agenda here - only good intent ...
I believe you have it - just as well as Rad has also demonstrated ...
Let's allow for integrity, transparency and truth to prevail ...

Then any past wrongs will be made right again ...
Keeping us all on track.

Blessings Gio

donk

21st May 2017, 15:28

Dumpster Diver

21st May 2017, 16:52

Thanks gio, well said and nice to see you too.

Here's a very well written personal account touching on a lot of the events and lessons that are important to me:

http://earthempaths.net/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1230&sid=6292a6ec223a69c7ff4b64206ff179a4

Interesting.

Reinforces my view that forums are pretty dangerous places and that many of the big players are controlled in some fashion.

Dreamtimer

21st May 2017, 17:12

I never joined any forums until this one. I felt comfortable enough here.

I will honestly say that I have not watched the three episodes with Dark Journalist.

But I saw firsthand the brief whirlwind membership of Corey here and all his colored posts. And also the very early days of his websites where he first talked about BR as being dangerous to CG and his ilk and then the Sphere Beings. Once the merch and slick production were underway he was gone from here.

But I didn't come here for CG. And I was never drawn to Avalon.

Long ago I would occasionally read some posts on GLP. That place was crazy. Everyone was an 'Anonymous Coward'.

Dumpster Diver

21st May 2017, 17:22

Speaking as a coward and anonymous as well, I get it, even though I don't know who/what GLP is.

Btw, what would be your estimate of the percentage of "negative agenda" folks here at this forum? 10%? 25%? 50%?

I think it is a nontrivial amount. If only to keep watch on you guys.

Dreamtimer

21st May 2017, 17:50

PurpleLama

21st May 2017, 18:00

If you don't know someone in real life, before you entered the wild world of conspiracy forums, you can't possibly know if they are of some agenda contrary to your own.

My guess is 10 to 25% wherever you go on the net.

PurpleLama

21st May 2017, 18:14

I have no idea. I don't know how far a negative agenda would get here. I'm sure people have tried. There are people who seem to seek out drama but I don't think that's what you mean. I should probably ask what qualifies as a negative agenda.

I don't usually fit well into other peoples' agendas.

Let's say, just for fun, that the Ruiner had a negative agenda. Did he succeed? Many left after he did. Was that a bad thing? That's definitely a matter of perspective. Many came and left surrounding CG's presence. Negative? Positive?

The forum made it through and is, imo, better on the back side.

GLP is short for Godlike Productions. It's a forum but, beyond that, explanation is difficult.

Many left, but only a few because of the Ruined or CG. When malc let Church back in as admin, things went to hell in a handbasket, and quickly, too. It wouldn't have taken much to rein in the conversation about forum censorship, but he came down heavy handed and authoritarian, which was exactly the wrong remedy for the situation and it ****ed off a whole bunch of people who were unaccoutomed to being treated like children. During the time that Church was gone the forum was basically self moderated, but the chaos around the influx of CG supporters/detractors along with the free thinking Pris et al, Church was not equipped to handle such diplomacy as was required compared to his previous tenure on the board.

This is likely an oversimplification, but the necessary highlights are there. I have several old friends who think less of me for returning to TOT, but I have several old friends who only maintain a real presence here. C'est la vie. The real point being, Shane was only a sideline compared to Church when it came to the Exodus.

Dumpster Diver

21st May 2017, 20:06

OK, I do know who GLP is. I've got too many military acronyms swimming in my head, "regular" ones are crowed out.

I mainly use forums as initial search vectors on "Alt" news.

Maggie

21st May 2017, 22:04

The synopsis of the CG tale as a short is kinda Goode.

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donk

21st May 2017, 23:14

Nice one Maggie, those were fun :winner:

I liked this, he touches on a lot of points I try to make:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-4CvD_C8zI

Dreamtimer

21st May 2017, 23:28

Wow. The wonders of the world continue. I really like the black and white. And the rapping with the British accent, awesome. Thanks, Maggie.

Maggie

21st May 2017, 23:38

Wow. The wonders of the world continue. I really like the black and white. And the rapping with the British accent, awesome. Thanks, Maggie.

Yeah Donk nd Dreatimer...quite enjoyable and i actually thought the character of the SSer was sexy. maybe I really was missing the allure of the Lore?
I would probably like going to the bigscreen for this SF BW cinefix.

Has CG copywrit his own story? Otherwise is he left out of the residuals?

Nice one Maggie, those were fun :winner:

I liked this, he touches on a lot of points I try to make:

https://youtu.be/2-4CvD_C8zI

UFO disease? YEAH
"No one here is a Snowdon, sorry" YEAH

Dumpster Diver

22nd May 2017, 19:52

Looking over my notes, I realized that I was somewhat wrong when I mentioned in "Keeping up with The Corydashians" that Cory Goode has said nothing that is verifiable.

If you keep up with Ben Davidson over at Suspicious Observers ( http://www.suspicious0bservers.org ) and listen to his daily videos on YouTube you will notice Ben mentioning "Earth facing calm" as opposed to more CME and sunspot "crackle" in directions other than directly at Earth. He is implying some sort of calming phenomenon in relation to the Sun's energy in the Earth facing direction. This agrees with CG's assertion that the "Blue Orbs," which he claims can be as large as Jupiter, are tempering the Sun's energy and slowing down the "Ascension" Event. Now this is very indirect agreement, but important as a clue to this "Ascension Event" he and David Wilcock now talk about on almost every broadcast of their Gaia TV program.

Dreamtimer

22nd May 2017, 21:06

I was watching episodes while Ben was observing and marveling at this phenomenon. Does he still point it out? I shall observe.

Dumpster Diver

22nd May 2017, 21:18

I was watching episodes while Ben was observing and marveling at this phenomenon. Does he still point it out? I shall observe.

I belive he does. Certainly in his "Fly on the Wall" episodes, which are behind a paywall.

Since Ben is an Electric Universe guy, he is well off the norm for the "hard science" guys.

Dreamtimer

22nd May 2017, 21:20

He's also busy predicting earth quakes, although there are others.

I didn't realize how far the idea of electric universe reaches. I've come across a lot of people talking about it.

Dumpster Diver

22nd May 2017, 21:35

He's also busy predicting earth quakes, although there are others.

I didn't realize how far the idea of electric universe reaches. I've come across a lot of people talking about it.

Ben is doing things I didn't think was possible in the earthquake biz, predictions all rigidly called when the models indicate and then verified all from observing the sun and correlating statistical data on weather and earthquake locations and severity. No one in the "normal" biz of Earth science thinks this is possible so Ben is dismissed. Another bent science in my opinion.

Dreamtimer

22nd May 2017, 21:38

I like that idea. Bent science.

Maggie

24th May 2017, 17:15

Shout out that Brooke wrote some very sound responses referencing the controversy with CG/DW on PA here

I would agree that some of the things Corey talks about may be true. After several years on this forum loaded with information of this type it would not be too hard for anybody to fabricate a story loaded with information given on this forum and the internet in general as in part truth and confabulate some story to gain fame and fortune.

Here's the thing. There are people out here with real concerns. People looking for some truth. I am one of those people. I've been looking for the truth for a long time to get to the bottom of what the hell is going on. I'm still searching and it's a serious subject. I'd love nothing more than to be wrong...and chalk it all up to some kind of mistake and misgiving of information that surrounds this subject. It's been said many times there is truth interlaced within the misinformation. (continue) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1154967&viewfull=1#post1154967)

The reason I like what she says is that the issue of a SSP and Disclosure and ETs with technology and all the whole "subject" is really NOT about spirituality. I agree.

We ARE spirit IMO. This is not something we need to "become" (being spiritual).
The meme that I see in the Blue Avians is like a TSK TSK TSK to humanity.

If ETs (or SSPs or whomever) are taking genetic material and then suppressing memory , it is theft and WRONG without a conscious present day agreement.
The meme I see there is that it is "For the good" and that justifies the "whatever".
Underlying that is we have no rights in the kingdom. The priority of "welfare of the common good" over the individual sovereignty is reinforced. Mandatory vaccinations is similar in meme but less "woowoo"

The FACT is that the US government has stolen trillions from the tax payer.
We have a really stiffling social mood here and emotional angst.
We have no strong compass on what to "do" at play.
The infrastructure here is crumbling.
We are being constantly blasted with "war" propaganda.

The fact is we have a real mess.
There are so many reasons to prefer CG's and DW's kind of tale.
My thought is that I do not believe that there IS a secret space program or disbelieve. There has never been evidence that convinces me...just rumors and stories. I have read SF since I could read and the same stories have all been there in print.

What the "thought" of a SSP does for the boys and girls is somehow reassure them that massive amounts of energy (money) went to a good cause.

The thought of "Blue Avians" is like Jesus coming back to save the flock.

Star Trek and Star Wars are all the time being touted as "hidden truth in plain view dressed as fiction". CG and DW just play to the same audience looking for some new angle on the social religion. That religion is "some are just plain (more powerful, more intuitive empath, special, smarter, prettier) BETTER than others", and God meant that to be so because of karma, bloodline, "frequency". Suck it up and accept your guilt on a "prison planet" of low life because otherwise YOU would be that special.

A "world" where "the hierarchic pyramid of value" is just plain accepted as fact is IMO the greatest LIE told to place that invisible fence around our will.

Fred Steeves

25th May 2017, 13:15

Up to this point, Joseph Farrell and Richard Dolan had been two of the last ones standing as not yet having triggered a red flag for poor judgment or worse. That just ended for one of them, now I'm waiting to see if Dolan wants to wade on in to pin the medal of freedom here as well.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97571-Bill-Ryan-Talks-to-Dark-Journalist&p=1155108#post1155108

Maggie

25th May 2017, 13:39

Dumpster Diver

25th May 2017, 13:41

Maybe I'm a bonehead, but I continue to see CG's "Adventures in Blue-Bird Land" as a sideshow. Fun stuff to read, keeps the La-La-Land masses in thrall, all a distraction in my view except for one point, these "blue spheres."

The most important area to come to grips with is, in my view, Wilcock's claim of a coming ascension. Again, I can see hard evidence in solar science research on this. CG's assertion that these big spheres are tamping down the sun's energy is the one point he brings to the table that seems to be verifiable and solar scientists are seeing the sun ramping up in energy and chaotic behavior excepting in an earth-wise direction.

Dolan is a hard-edged scientist and I have a lot of respect for him. Having worked a lot with these guys (I'm one myself) they have got to have a lot of evidence before they accept anything. Perhaps Farrell, also another hard-edger, was MK ULTRAed a bit by Bill's controllers and Dolan is next in the queue.

TargeT

25th May 2017, 14:29

CG's assertion that these big spheres are tamping down the sun's energy is the one point he brings to the table that seems to be verifiable and solar scientists are seeing the sun ramping up in energy and chaotic behavior excepting in an earth-wise direction.
.

Got a reference for that? I've not heard that before.

Dumpster Diver

25th May 2017, 15:31

Got a reference for that? I've not heard that before.

Suspicious Observers:

http://www.suspicious0bservers.org

Explained more here:

https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/11005-The-Mass-Media-Their-message-and-real-intent-Global-Warming

and the fact that Ben Davidson (and a few others) talks about "Earth facing calm."

but I thought you read that since you are in that thread?

Fred Steeves

25th May 2017, 15:51

Does this mean a thumbs up or down for Farrell's comments?

When I see a savvy, veteran researcher like JPF congratulating the pots for calling the kettle black, it causes some degree of concern. That in my book calls for a red flag to be thrown, which = thumbs down as you put it.

Dreamtimer

25th May 2017, 16:15

I too remained interested in the spheres and noticed the corellation w/the 'earth facing quiet'.

Dolan has stated more than once that he doesn't consider Corey's testimony to be born of scientific or rigorously backed up information. I don't see him changing his position.

Dumpster Diver

25th May 2017, 16:19

Dreamy, I intended to go to Ben's seance with the rest of his solar buddies in Albuquerque this last April to get a feeling of how strong the rest of them felt about the issue.

But the drug deal to finance the trip fell thru.

TargeT

25th May 2017, 16:32

I too remained interested in the spheres and noticed the corellation w/the 'earth facing quiet'.

I'm still not finding this "earth facing" part..

a solar minimum is a solar minimum. (https://nextgrandminimum.wordpress.com/). and we are in one, doesn't matter what side of the sun you are on (http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/783520/MINI-ICE-AGE-FEARS-solar-activity-nasa-Maunder-minimum).

Sounds like some "woo woo" injected into reality...

Dumpster Diver

25th May 2017, 22:04

I'm still not finding this "earth facing" part..

a solar minimum is a solar minimum. (https://nextgrandminimum.wordpress.com/). and we are in one, doesn't matter what side of the sun you are on (http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/783520/MINI-ICE-AGE-FEARS-solar-activity-nasa-Maunder-minimum).

Sounds like some "woo woo" injected into reality...

He mentions it occasionally in his daily summaries. Since Dreamy has noticed it as well, I tend to not mark it down to the "Voice of God" transmitter outside my window.

Dumpster Diver

26th May 2017, 02:12

Gio

26th May 2017, 02:25

The next step in the WWE clash of "Alternate World" Heavyweights:

Dark Journalist "sniffs out" the "real agenda" of the CG/DW/Gaia TV cabal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzCHN2m6UoE

This is really getting good!

:popc:

Which begs the question who is The Dark 'Daniel' Journalist ...

After years of posting his video interviews ...

I think it's finally time (for me) to ask for a real bio ?

The Dark Journalist is an independent investigative reporter and filmmaker who coined the term "Dark Journalism" to introduce crucial areas of research and investigation that the mainstream media refuses to touch. He has appeared on popular news shows including Coast to Coast AM Radio, VICE Motherboard Podcast, served as the Host of the Secret Space Program Conference in Austin, Texas, and held an audience of thousands in his Reddit AMA Q & A Sessions. His cutting-edge video show is a rising star in the alternative media with a growing number of followers and subscribers worldwide. His YouTube Channel has reached over four million views with online video downloads exceeding six million!

http://www.darkjournalist.com/about.php

Yeah ~ The WWE indeed ...

giggle :)

Aianawa

26th May 2017, 02:36

modwiz

26th May 2017, 02:50

WOW, indeed a vid to crush common sense, as what he talks, imo is mirror talk, correct or incorrect it is just as likely controlled brainydrying and washing, adds credibility to blue avians being real and having integrity and feel that's not his intent. will be interesting to see his accusations in future, like come on whats the % truth that blue birds etc is real ?, a fluffy 2% maybe, why is dark Journey fella helping CG, interesting times and is there enough popcorn lol

The "sorting" will have to happen in parallel with 'unity in the community'. Unity takes coherence and that will happen organically as things sort out and more clarity is achieved. I am happy so many voices are speaking up. It will assist in the sorting for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. Will have to listen to the new DJ vid, take notes and do a Mystic Brew. Do I expect some pain? Yes, growing pains.

Gio

26th May 2017, 02:51

Between GiaTV, The Dark Journalist, Contact in the Desert #666 ... etc ...

The words Too Slick should start sounding off the alarms amongs't
those in the alternative community's fragile eggshell minds ...

http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Crazyfeminist.jpg

PS ~ So much more i would like to say/add on to this apparent 'alternative soul/subscription war' ...
But will hold off till the latest salvo takes effect and there's a possible counter reaction?

So far David and his Gia are staying 'mum to their words' choosing the apparent silent/high road?

Dumpster Diver

26th May 2017, 04:06

Dumpster Diver

26th May 2017, 04:11

...AND...in the other corner (of our mythical WWE tag team throwdown)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLPKO3AKA14

The Stillness in the Storm guy:

http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com

Gio

26th May 2017, 04:21

...AND...in the other corner (of our mythical WWE tag team throwdown)...

https://youtu.be/JLPKO3AKA14

The Stillness in the Storm guy:

http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com

Buzzword (s) used in the video "bring me the willing" ...

# wink/wink

Aianawa

26th May 2017, 04:37

narratives narratives, you are not your thoughts imo, feel this is now going double orchestrated, feel feel feel, watch for filters lol.

Dreamtimer

26th May 2017, 06:43

modwiz

26th May 2017, 06:58

Gio

26th May 2017, 07:12

From my observational (daily) checks - during the Sun's recent wind-down ...

We've missed more than a few Solar backlashes over the last couple years ...

Somebody's looking after us - despite our worst attempts of ruining this planet ...

Here's an example from last fall ...

Pair of Coronal Mass Ejections (10/14/2016)

Attached is an updated video by LASCO C2 showing a pair of coronal mass ejections off the southeast limb in quick succession today (10/14/2016). Both are directed away from Earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDNbRMbB_xo

Aianawa

26th May 2017, 07:34

Totally Gio, Sun is a wise and ourselves its highest messenger.

That's mess in ger

TargeT

26th May 2017, 13:20

TargeT, Ben has been engaging in empirical observation. There were many emissions from the sun over several months and without fail they went away from earth. Due to the weakened shield, they could have caused trouble. There is no reason they all should be going away from earth. He was so amazed by this unusual pattern he named it the earth facing quiet.

Last I checked, empirical observation is not woo-woo.:p Ben is an electric universe guy and I doubt he's spent any time thinking about sphere beings or blue avians.

My first question would be what fraction of the sun lines up with earth enough that a cme hits, 15%? maybe far less? (I guess it depends on the size of the CME); has ben done any calculations for that?

is he saying that the sun only has CME's on the 50% we don't see, or just that none have came in our direction?

I frame my understanding of the galaxy in "electric universe" thinking also, it's the only way the celestial phenomenons make sense, the sun is an anode (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anode), I guess it would make sense that our weakened magnetic field would attract less energetic bursts from our anode, so maybe there used to be an abnormally high amount that came at earth and now there's less?

I thought this was more "orbs entering our solar system" stuff, that makes no sense. a dampened magnetic field causing more resistance between an anode and outside circuit or device would make sense.

Dumpster Diver

26th May 2017, 14:56

My first question would be what fraction of the sun lines up with earth enough that a cme hits, 15%? maybe far less? (I guess it depends on the size of the CME); has ben done any calculations for that?

is he saying that the sun only has CME's on the 50% we don't see, or just that none have came in our direction?

I frame my understanding of the galaxy in "electric universe" thinking also, it's the only way the celestial phenomenons make sense, the sun is an anode (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anode), I guess it would make sense that our weakened magnetic field would attract less energetic bursts from our anode, so maybe there used to be an abnormally high amount that came at earth and now there's less?

I thought this was more "orbs entering our solar system" stuff, that makes no sense. a dampened magnetic field causing more resistance between an anode and outside circuit or device would make sense.

TargeT, I had same questions. But Ben has done the math and worked the question thru his circle of scientists. He is a peer-reviewed "real scientist" even though he is an EU guy, which you and I will have to admit is fringe. But if you track his earthquake predictions, you will find he has an amazing 70%+ record. All done thru data dredging and model building, which are my areas of expertise. He does serious math and admits to nothing without firm math backing.

Ben does NOT subscribe to the "magic orbs" are "in the way" but has no other explanation. Also, he is not an ET guy, but accepts the possibility mainly thru the Drake equation.

So, is it proof that CG's blue orbs are damping the sun's earth facing energy? Not 100% in my book, but a pointer; "evidence," not proof.

Remember, "main stream" Astro-science accepts Big Bang theory wholly with Redshift reasoning based upon the thinest thread of doppler electromagnetic shift "theory" and counter to hundreds of examples of high redshifted quasars in front of low redshifted galaxies, and counter to Hubble's original views as well. As they have no other "standard candle" to measure the furthest objects they cling to the dumbest explanation of how the universe began with everything "blooming" out of a black hole the size of a pin head and wish it away with "no one knows what physics are happening inside of a black hole, so we'll just make this one up."

If you can swallow hogwash like this, why not "cloaked" blue orbs are absorbing sun energy?

As I also have a military background in stealth technology; I can see if someone has the very high technology it would require, it is possible. I see it as less "magical" than Big Bang Theory.

TargeT

26th May 2017, 15:46

As I also have a military background in stealth technology; I can see if someone has the very high technology it would require, it is possible. I see it as less "magical" than Big Bang Theory.

I've spent many a hour under a B2 and F22 (as well as F16's) bullshitting with my crewcheif friends while I was stationed in Alaska, I worked on the back end of our radar arrays up there as well contracting for the airforce (got to track those yearly patrols of russian bombers).

I hear people say some pretty fascinating stuff about the military, I've seen what I consider to be stealth technology (which in reality is just applied material science and geometry); I spent years around it and my DD214 is still being written on (sitting in a uniform as I write this).

so you're going to have to expand on that, because my understanding of practical "stealth technology" is probably far different than yours, I know it from the ground radar and air frame sides.

There's quite a few things in this "alt community" that I don't "buy into". quite a few.

Dumpster Diver

26th May 2017, 17:53

I've spent many a hour under a B2 and F22 (as well as F16's) bullshitting with my crewcheif friends while I was stationed in Alaska, I worked on the back end of our radar arrays up there as well contracting for the airforce (got to track those yearly patrols of russian bombers).

I hear people say some pretty fascinating stuff about the military, I've seen what I consider to be stealth technology (which in reality is just applied material science and geometry); I spent years around it and my DD214 is still being written on (sitting in a uniform as I write this).

so you're going to have to expand on that, because my understanding of practical "stealth technology" is probably far different than yours, I know it from the ground radar and air frame sides.

There's quite a few things in this "alt community" that I don't "buy into". quite a few.

TargeT, I was around when Pres Carter "revealed" stealth to the public in order to help him win the election vs Reagan. I was working with the stealth boys as my team was building all the aircraft delivery profiles for all conventional munitions for the Non-Nuclear Consumables Annual Analysis (the "other" NCAA) for XOXFM at Air Staff in the Pentagon in the late 70's. Back then we worked F-117 paths and tech, which we called "stupid stealth" because it was only geometry and RAM (RADAR Absorbing Material). We crawled all thru the technology, and then as one of Gen Wilbur Creech's air analysts at Tactical Air Command on several Black projects I got even more deeply into it. Signed my life away so no specifics, but even in that world, what was possible would seem impossible to "normal" AF folk, much less civilians.

As to "buying" alt-world chit; yup, I mostly don't buy any of it unless I have the math and science securely down, seen it with my own eyes, and/or have a math/statistical "proof" of such. Thusly, nothing is at 100% proven, but many things are "highly likely."

So, for example was my "proof" of the existence of "ETs". I have 4 differing "proofs":

1) Over 20 first hand observers; many are AF, Navy pilots and trained military observers and two in-laws, one an airline pilot.
2) Drake Equation with proper motion of the Solar System thru the Milky Way properly modeled.
3) The near impossible "natural" orbit of the Moon (double planet in at ten-body problem, celestial mechanics will tell you this is unstable as there are no close-form solutions to more than a 3-body situation like the Earth, Moon and Sun. Include Jupiter, Saturn, two other Gas Giants: impossible to be stable. Then add in the exact inclination of the Moon, the inverse reciprocal nature of the Earth and Moon orbits, and the exact placement of the Moon being exactly the size of the Sun when viewed from the Earth, near impossible from a probability stance.
4) Likelyhood of nuclear war on Mars (http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/745738/Life-on-Mars-wiped-out-nuclear-war-Dr-John-Brandenburg) and the scattershot pattern on one side of Mars and smooth features on the other, plus variations in the Martian regolith.

Adding all the probabilities of this stuff up, I'm over 4 sigma (standard deviations) above a random occurrence for ETs to exist in my estimation, not 100% as you can never entirely reach it because it is an asymptote.

So, a few years back, this ET "proof" stuff started me on my way to investigating the so-called "alt world" and the likely coverup of facts by our wonderful government.

donk

27th May 2017, 00:29

Maggie

27th May 2017, 00:57

One thing that unifies the "community" is that we all seem to have VERY short attention spans...and love deflections from anything unpleasant.

I backed off from this thread because I felt any contribution I made was unproductive. It was not intended to find "absolute truths" or things we agree on..."empirically" it was about a specific thread garnering above average attention, and my hopes was to explore reasons why such attention seems so attractive to us.

Bill Ryan is using is Corey Goode's success as a case study of the biggest problems of the "alternative community". I suggested his use of the CG story (and the steering of the narrative) might be a more significant case study. I think a lot of good points were covered in the depths of this thread...and maybe the direction it is going now is yet another "case study"?

ADDED: a personal problem-to-me I have seen emerge in the course of this stuff is that people like to try to use ANY attention they see

I think we do have short attention spans.
In a way I am not QUITE sure we have been asked to use our long attention "in this time" so people don't exercise and maybe if you don't use it, you have to relearn how to stay focused.

And also, there does seem to be the need to really think something is importnat to "me" to stay focused?

IMO looking at this "case study", it seems to display the essence of "divide and conquer" energy to me.

To me the essence of divide and conquer is the production of factions. The extreme is BR is right and CG is wrong or vice versa. Then there are those who are all about "Do Blue Avians exist" or not. Personally I do see blue flashes, that electric blue color in bigger and smaller sizes. What I THINK is that this is a real phenomenon but I cannot produce evidence.

There may be real kinds of winged beings and I belive it is not ridiculous in itself that a new "myth" is produced which is more than JUST a lie because in some way it gives a "shape" to some "real 3D/4D" mechanism?

So, I might be tempeted to use his story as a mirror for mine and start believing I have these ultradimensionals who speak words of wisdom in MY ear. It would be important as far as avoiding cognitive dissonance to say to myself "CG is not able to make such truth up?"

All of this along with a short attention span that cannot dig deep makes more schisms between belief and disbelief as wedge between people or groups. That is why IMO people mostly "see the light": when something they personally invested in, PERSONALLY is a disappointment. I can tell you my moments of "seeing a light" and you yours.

People will be on some kind of spectrum that may be different. That means we cannot emotionally fall in to defend a position and be divided. I should say we CAN fall out with each other and get angry and we've seen how people have been really snarky. We've seen bromances break and divorce and and and it gets personal. Like this BR and CG episode is PERSONAL cloaked in "justice". IMO there is hate there.

the major result is "who is in", "who is out", who is "friend and who is the enemy". The little shop I've been working in is "too new age" for the "Christian" business community and some shunning is going on (subtle). It's hilarious about how "love to hate" is a fractal pattern"

Is this off topic? I wonder how we find some way beyond these opinions? Is this drama like all the rest of stories dramatized as warring among atavistic tribes playing out a deep desire? Do we LOVE to have community and individual scapegoats and shunning, not tio mention annihilation (of character, life itself)? Is this desire to have someone punished lurking in the hearts of homo sapian?

I THINK IT IS. Subtle and blatantly we are ****ed off in the deepest core and SOMEONE is to blame. The who when and where and what is not the WHY.

If someone is acting so badly, what to do with that without breaking all up in splinters with no common ground?

donk

27th May 2017, 01:09

Is this off topic? I wonder how we find some way beyond these opinions? Is this drama like all the rest of stories dramatized as warring among atavistic tribes playing out a deep desire? Do we LOVE to have community and individual scapegoats and shunning, not tio mention annihilation (of character, life itself)? Is this desire to have someone punished lurking in the hearts of homo sapian?

Off topic? NO WAY....I love your contributions, and hoped for different angles than the ones I see.

Are you suggesting the attention I am noticing (beyond people believing in CG's story, AND people believing the sciencey way "serious researchers") is "truth"? That Corey (and the researchers) get all the attention because they are externally manipulated?

Maggie

27th May 2017, 01:15

Off topic? NO WAY....I love your contributions, and hoped for different angles than the ones I see.

Are you suggesting the attention I am noticing (beyond people believing in CG's story, AND people believing the sciencey way "serious researchers") is "truth"? That Corey (and the researchers) get all the attention because they are externally manipulated?

What you are noticing has truth I think.
I think yes, the manipulation is deliberate.
It's an entertainment venue that is the field for this drama.
The environment is one of competition for lime light in some form of media. That takes it clearly where manipulation is almost expected. Get high vies and larger share and the ever counted ratings. Why this manipulation is appealing is what lies beneath.

It's IMo how a sense of needing justice has been twisted out of shape. Think about how it is said "Forgiveness" is a natural human quality. That IMO does not mean we accept abuse but we create hate out of resentment IMO. Then we channel that deep sense of being victimized in small insidious splits of our collective OR big wars...IMo it comes form willingness because we have rage in our sinews.

The divided are conquered without any effort.

It is really sad to imagine that the reason we go extinct is that we can't attend to the business of self interest and what Is REAL. The manipulation makes "war" (over whatever) "seeming to be normal". We WANT to hit, smash and burn the WRONG and the one who has? it.....WHERE IS the source to destroy?

If we cannot get at the source of what we hate, we'll make do.
The kicker is that we will never get satisfaction.
I am saying most that if there is least little shred of rage seeking an outlet any number of "circumstances" can split us like hairs.

donk

27th May 2017, 02:05

Well said Maggie, I totally hear you

my current focus on top (or concurrent) with all that is that we seem to be bred to enable, to VALUE the abuse cycle....worship ANY authority....

...and the current "authority" in this realm is those who SOUND the most sceintific-methody-ist and most logical...which is ironic when what binds this community is the distrust for the limitations of "accepted science" and distrust of established bona-fide authority...excusing EVERYTHING it/they does/do to completely contradict it/them -selves....cognitive dissonance of a higher, more dangerous, order

Very few seem to want to dig deeper. They want a nice "harmonious community". SECURITY.

Even when we're talking about things we have NO ability to have ANY control over....be it higher beings or secret cabals or whatever.

If we can't get our shit straight in our own houses, how can we hope to "save to the world", as some are suggesting these forums should be doing? We are an exact fractal of the shit we call ourselves an "alternative" to.

At least hear we can work some of the issues on the personal level, if we choose...like I have. The virtual world rocks...it can be a nice tool to better yourself. It'd be nice if that could shift to bettering others....

donk

27th May 2017, 02:27

Greeting's Phil ... :)

From my point of view there is no agenda here - only good intent ...
I believe you have it - just as well as Rad has also demonstrated ...
Let's allow for integrity, transparency and truth to prevail ...

Then any past wrongs will be made right again ...
Keeping us all on track.

Blessings Gio

This has been bugging me for some time.

I've been wrestling with in my head...I KNOW your integrity having met you flesh and blood, which I can only say about one other person in this realm (who LOVES you, I can say that knowing he rarely came around except to see what you had to say)...and I don't wanna disrespect or anything by arguing with you....BUUUUUT....

So I looked up AGENDA...the first def is something like a list for a meeting...this is the second that google will give you:

an underlying often ideological plan or program

Forgive the grammar, I guess...but I gotta think a LOT of GOOD INTENTIONED people have them...and they can be GOOD...I think all of them are, to whoever has them....and a lot of them are to ALL humans, or would be if they understood them.

One of the things I see as going wrong in this community is allowing for ends (OFTEN DECEPTIVE) justifying means....for those good intentions most people agree upon.

My personal goal is to learn how to teach my children how to NOT enable that. Without coming off as an @sshole like I do...so I'm still working on it :o

modwiz

27th May 2017, 02:29

Well said Maggie, I totally hear you

my current focus on top (or concurrent) with all that is that we seem to be bred to enable, to VALUE the abuse cycle....worship ANY authority....

You have hit the nail full into the wood with this statement. The Gnostic/Sophianic narrative knows why this is and it was part of their few existing writings. It will not be pretty pulling on the thread that unravels that control narrative. I have already begun dropping bits of it into my videos. I need to be gentle and mindful of triggering people because the world we live in is one huge obfuscating blanket of mind-virus threads.

Outlander

27th May 2017, 05:50

Richard Dolan - the Main Players in the UFO Cover Up
May 22, 2017

Richard Dolan covers all aspects of the UFO phenomenon in this excellent lecture. Dolan describes UFO encounters worldwide, demonstrating that the phenomenon is global, and the result of advanced technology. Richard also studies "UFO politics," describes the black-budget connection, and provides a geopolitical analysis to explain the whys and hows of UFO secrecy.

This is a complete history of the phenomenon, the secrecy, and the response by researchers who sought to understand the mystery. Behind it all is the backdrop of a world in technological, economic, and political transformation. There's a particular focus on what Dolan believes to be a major and long-running cover-up by the US government and its agencies regarding UFO matters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcOz2usUS9Y

sandy

27th May 2017, 05:51

All this tit for tat is Candy for the intellect. Peeps buy into the discourse IMO because it creates relief from reality and personal responsibility and soothes the rational for feeling inept, powerless and disallusioned to affect a REAL change in overall global systems.

Much safer to banter intellectually than research self, thus we are devolving as we traverse farther and farther away from the Heart.

All behavior is motivated from the self, thus Know thyself is always in the now, however often triggered or precluded by the past and or the future, thus do you really think that many know how come it is they do what they do? I don't think so ............................

Aianawa

27th May 2017, 06:00

Yes, very important to be fufulled in life, allowing service outside of oneself.

Dumpster Diver

27th May 2017, 13:59

Sandy, as a hard-shelled scientist myself, it may be useful to know that realizing ETs exist is one of the only narrow paths to getting to realize that there are issues to working on self. Dolan is using this to gain recognition and make money, perhaps the next step is starting to understand why they are here and agendas for self.

Just getting to understand there are ETs in the first place is a hard path for the scientific "boyz & girlz" as the very hard evidence is so very hard for them to see/understand as their colleagues will dismiss them straight away so Dolan is a long way down that path already.

donk

27th May 2017, 22:05

modwiz

27th May 2017, 22:10

Dumpster Diver

27th May 2017, 22:40

First things first. Understanding why we are here will aid greatly as to why ET is here.

BTW. Since you do not like the thanks button, I spare you having me thank you. It is not indicative of not appreciating a post. Same thing with Donk and Outlander.

Wiz,

The mear fact that I'm here interacting with a bunch of woo-woo, new age, UFO crazed wing-nuts tells you that I've progressed at least a little bit. Not much, but a little.

Your welcome.

PS I used to use the thank you button back when I was here last, then it got perfunctory, then I realized I was thanking when I really didn't mean it. That is an implicit lie and I'm really, really trying to minimize the "white lies to get along" stuff. I'll work myself back into it. Give me time.

Dumpster Diver

27th May 2017, 22:54

That's the point of this thread. The top "researchers" either got their on their own merit (Dolan, Farell)...or use attention generated by others, which I postulated Bill is not doing with Corey now, but has a pattern of doing so (with one example being creating Corey's "celebrity" in the first place).

If you watch Mirage Men, you see an example of how an operative created a reality for a researcher in order to throw off any credibility for the field. And there's Bill, acting like it's some mysterious and devious thing whilst he has constantly brought SO MANY "whistleblower testimonies" in to it without following up with a single one* when their stories get scrutiny.

*now he's "following up" on Corey, while changing the narrative to make it seem he was not responsible for this mess in any way

Mirage Men...darn it, I've not seen it. OK, Marking it down. Is it on Netflix?

Several years ago, I had a lot of respect for BR. Watched a ton of Camelot's videos. Marveled that they were not shut down as even then I had a strong background in "if you cross the dark side of the government (remember I was on some Black Projects) seriously bad things will happen." As I tracked a bunch of Bill's activities, I got to see a pattern: he is a nearly perfect misinformation source. He tracks so close to 50% that the info is almost worthless for my modeling. So now I see him as a possible deep, well situated asset, possibly loaded for such a situation as this thing with CG/Wilcock/Gaia TV.

modwiz

27th May 2017, 22:59

Wiz,

The mear fact that I'm here interacting with a bunch of woo-woo, new age, UFO crazed wing-nuts tells you that I've progressed at least a little bit. Not much, but a little.

Your welcome.

PS I used to use the thank you button back when I was here last, then it got perfunctory, then I realized I was thanking when I really didn't mean it. That is an implicit lie and I'm really, really trying to minimize the "white lies to get along" stuff. I'll work myself back into it. Give me time.

Understood. I do give some mercy thanks. Being genuine can be painful to the undeveloped. So when no thanks is given, it is a message which is why I clarified my actions with you, Donk and Outlander. Also, some threads are just not visited by me.

donk

28th May 2017, 15:04

Mirage Men...darn it, I've not seen it. OK, Marking it down. Is it on Netflix?

Several years ago, I had a lot of respect for BR. Watched a ton of Camelot's videos. Marveled that they were not shut down as even then I had a strong background in "if you cross the dark side of the government (remember I was on some Black Projects) seriously bad things will happen." As I tracked a bunch of Bill's activities, I got to see a pattern: he is a nearly perfect misinformation source. He tracks so close to 50% that the info is almost worthless for my modeling. So now I see him as a possible deep, well situated asset, possibly loaded for such a situation as this thing with CG/Wilcock/Gaia TV.

Not sure about Netflix, pretty sure you can find it free online. Richard Doty is heavily featured.

It's been awhile but i seem to remember it as an exact replica of this current loop...Bill demonstrates how mis/dis -info works (with help from the master and a handful of other prominent scene members) while seeming oblivious to his contribution of it

Dumpster Diver

28th May 2017, 15:08

Not sure about Netflix, pretty sure you can find it free online. Richard Doty is heavily featured.

It's been awhile but i seem to remember it as an exact replica of this current loop...Bill demonstrates how mis/dis -info works (with help from the master and a handful of other prominent scene members) while seeming oblivious to his contribution of it

OK Donk, I'll check it out, thanks.

Fred Steeves

28th May 2017, 15:38

Just having a bit of fun here, don't mind me. Was having a walk down memory lane, happened across this gem, and had to start chuckling to myself.

I know late 2015 is like ancient history any more so it doesn't really matter, right? But where is Dark Journalist when you need him, to take either one of these stories and and shake it like a dog until some sort of evidence pops out? It's a rhetorical question lol, don't bother answering. :)

This is just one example:

One source, ‘Henry Deacon’ (a pseudonym) – a very talented physicist and electronics specialist who has worked in black projects for many years in a variety of locations – has himself spent time on Mars and presents a detailed, credible story. See www.projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_4.html for details.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85998-A-new-Mars-witness-never-published--and-a-real-one-this-time-

In essence, Henry traveled to the Mars colony on several occasions (the largest one, which he states has a population of 670,000, thought the numbers have apparently waxed and waned over time) – using what he described as ‘jumproom’ technology.

He explained that a ‘jumproom’ is a device like an elevator. One enters a small room, the metal doors close, the doors open again, and “you walk out into a different place”. As he said, you can even go to Mars for lunch.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85998-A-new-Mars-witness-never-published--and-a-real-one-this-time-

Dumpster Diver

28th May 2017, 16:16

Understood. I do give some mercy thanks. Being genuine can be painful to the undeveloped. So when no thanks is given, it is a message which is why I clarified my actions with you, Donk and Outlander. Also, some threads are just not visited by me.

After being properly chastened, I've gone back and thanked several posts. As I run across those that I really, really like I'll continue.

I am somewhat trainable, but I still enjoy peeing on the rug ocasionally.

Elen

28th May 2017, 16:25

I am somewhat trainable, but I still enjoy peeing on the rug ocasionally.

That'll do, that'll do...:cool:

Dumpster Diver

28th May 2017, 17:33

That'll do, that'll do...:cool:

The quote is, "that'll do, Pig that'll do."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjQtzV9IZ0Q

:grin:

Dumpster Diver

28th May 2017, 17:41

TargeT

28th May 2017, 17:53

BTW, are you the same TargeT as the guy posting over at "The Avalon Files" as TargeT?

If so, I'd be just a little careful when they start passing out the purple koolaid.

In reading their CG bashing thread and this one:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97897-Dark-Journalist-A-Six-Part-Series-on-The-New-Age-Deep-State

I think several Avalon denizens already have a "purple smile."

Yep, same guy here and there.
I was active on Project Avalon while Goode was building his story and making claims he couldn't back up; we knocked heads over some technical issues (I work IT, he claims to have also). And his fantastical stories never had even close enough to the level of evidence I consider necessary for serious consideration; if that's drinking koolaid then I guess I'm not only drinking it, I was there when it was made.

Dumpster Diver

28th May 2017, 18:01

Yep, same guy here and there.
I was active on Project Avalon while Goode was building his story and making claims he couldn't back up; we knocked heads over some technical issues (I work IT, he claims to have also). And his fantastical stories never had even close enough to the level of evidence I consider necessary for serious consideration; if that's drinking koolaid then I guess I'm not only drinking it, I was there when it was made.

Cool, I thought so.

Yeah, CG has numerous issues; but you gotta admit, you being a military guy, BR's current operation certainly has all the earmarks of a psyop.

If it quacks, waddles, has pinfeathers, and swims, it might just be a duck.

Enjoy your drink!

TargeT

28th May 2017, 18:17

Cool, I thought so.

Yeah, CG has numerous issues; but you gotta admit, you being a military guy, BR's current operation certainly has all the earmarks of a psyop.

If it quacks, waddles, has pinfeathers, and swims, it might just be a duck.

Enjoy your drink!

I don't agree with the way it was handled, but a psy op? meh...

Opportunistic leveraging, that I could see.

Dumpster Diver

28th May 2017, 18:24

I don't agree with the way it was handled, but a psy op? meh...

Opportunistic leveraging, that I could see.

Umm, having organized experts to teach the Flags in our NATO High Levels Exercise (HILEX) courses and a little Black Operations background as well, looks very duck to me.

I see you are enjoying a second cup.

donk

28th May 2017, 18:26

Cool, I thought so.

Yeah, CG has numerous issues; but you gotta admit, you being a military guy, BR's current operation certainly has all the earmarks of a psyop.

If it quacks, waddles, has pinfeathers, and swims, it might just be a duck.

Enjoy your drink!

See, I was in that camp as well, thought for SURE it was he's been doing what he does intentionally.

The more I got to know him though, I've been leaning toward the idea he's not "empathic" enough to intentional steer large populations astray. He's got a sort of tunnel vision where he doesn't even see how insulting to the semi-intelligent some of the shit he does really is.

He does a great job leading his flock (in his "home", which he can control), he's great when he does choose to "go public", like he has with the dark "journalist", but he's "Trump-like"...in the sense that when anyone actually scrutinizes the twists in his narrative, it just gets deflected (and the scrutinizer accused of "personal attacks")

When I talked (well...slurred, I was a drunken mess) with a mod over there about his past...she wanted to hear NOTHING of it, none of the history matters, not even the ORIGINS of CG's fame mattered...only that NOW he's making the alt media great again. The feedback I got from that talk was that people outside our "avalon/tot/forum" bubble were completely unaware that he was just poster there and Bill made him a whistleblower. It blew my mind that there's people INSIDE the bubble that weren't aware of that...and frightening to me the way Bill gets to control the narrative away from that fact.

Again...this always comes back to ENABLING (for me), and the fact that culturally we VALUE abusive relationships, protect them for the "good" that come out of them.

Dumpster Diver

28th May 2017, 19:03

See, I was in that camp as well, thought for SURE it was he's been doing what he does intentionally.

The more I got to know him though, I've been leaning toward the idea he's not "empathic" enough to intentional steer large populations astray. He's got a sort of tunnel vision where he doesn't even see how insulting to the semi-intelligent some of the shit he does really is.

He does a great job leading his flock (in his "home", which he can control), he's great when he does choose to "go public", like he has with the dark "journalist", but he's "Trump-like"...in the sense that when anyone actually scrutinizes the twists in his narrative, it just gets deflected (and the scrutinizer accused of "personal attacks")

When I talked (well...slurred, I was a drunken mess) with a mod over there about his past...she wanted to hear NOTHING of it, none of the history matters, not even the ORIGINS of CG's fame mattered...only that NOW he's making the alt media great again. The feedback I got from that talk was that people outside our "avalon/tot/forum" bubble were completely unaware that he was just poster there and Bill made him a whistleblower. It blew my mind that there's people INSIDE the bubble that weren't aware of that...and frightening to me the way Bill gets to control the narrative away from that fact.

Again...this always comes back to ENABLING (for me), and the fact that culturally we VALUE abusive relationships, protect them for the "good" that come out of them.

I hear ya Donk, but what make you think that only BR is organizing this? I know folks who have "the empathy of a brick." I'm one of them, military is FULL of them.

This has the earmarks of a well-oiled psyop, done by pros...and Darth HatMan is no pro. He has a fair amount of help. As my late Daddy-in-Law used to say, "I'd bet my hat, a$$, and front seat in Hell on it."

Fred Steeves

28th May 2017, 19:34

Just between me, you the reader, and the NSA, I think Norman hits the nail on the proverbial head with this insightful post. It's just too bad he is apparently unable to take that line of very sound reasoning one step further, and apply it to the format he posted it on here in modern times. As is the old saying: "The more things change, the more they stay the same".

. . . .the entire "Summer of Love" and hippie movement was being channeled by the Intelligence Community . . . . . .

Yea, spot on, and the depressing thing is that if there had been a few forums on the internet at that time with older folk discussing and figuring it all out in live time, not one of the youngsters would have payed the tiniest bit of attention. It would have happened anyway.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97897-Dark-Journalist-A-Six-Part-Series-on-The-New-Age-Deep-State&p=1155787#post1155787

No matter how much sense Bill makes in discrediting the obvious sham that is Corey Goode and company, the Blue Bird flock will stay loyal and true to the home team. And in turn, no matter how much evidence is pointed out that Bill tends over time to put out the same uncorroborated kind of crap, the flock will stay loyal and true to the home team.

And so goes what is called the truth movement, tribal in nature same as anywhere else in the world. The tribe actually comes first, not the truth.

Dumpster Diver

28th May 2017, 19:58

Just between me, you the reader, and the NSA, I think Norman hits the nail on the proverbial head with this insightful post. It's just too bad he is apparently unable to take that line of very sound reasoning one step further, and apply it to the format he posted it on here in modern times. As is the old saying: "The more things change, the more they stay the same".

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97897-Dark-Journalist-A-Six-Part-Series-on-The-New-Age-Deep-State&p=1155787#post1155787

No matter how much sense Bill makes in discrediting the obvious sham that is Corey Goode and company, the Blue Bird flock will stay loyal and true to the home team. And in turn, no matter how much evidence is pointed out that Bill tends over time to put out the same uncorroborated kind of crap, the flock will stay loyal and true to the home team.

And so goes what is called the truth movement, tribal in nature same as anywhere else in the world. The tribe actually comes first, not the truth.

Somewhere, BR mentions that the "peace movement" of the 60s-70s was a chance that we let slip away...wait...how did he say it? I can't find it now, the site has been changed. But it struck me as I know the entire counter-culture phenomena was manufactured as a massive psyop by military/CIA-connected "musicians" in Laurel Canyon, etc, that is...virtually everyone of any importance was connected in some way to drive kids nuts and creat the conflict around the Vietnam War.

BR likes it? More koolaid! A real indicator, IMO.

Dumpster Diver

28th May 2017, 20:37

donk

28th May 2017, 20:57

I hear ya Donk, but what make you think that only BR is organizing this? I know folks who have "the empathy of a brick." I'm one of them, military is FULL of them.

This has the earmarks of a well-oiled psyop, done by pros...and Darth HatMan is no pro. He has a fair amount of help. As my late Daddy-in-Law used to say, "I'd bet my hat, a$$, and front seat in Hell on it."

I never thought ONLY BR was organizing it. These days I don't even know that he ever intended to mislead.

What I kept pushing for when I was there, that he hold he himself to his own stated standards. As I saw it, he often fails at it...and I'd directly confront him about it when I thought it was the case. His reactions had me thinking along the purposeful "psyop" lines...back then I was SURE, but nowadays I don't even care that much--as what's concerning to me is that SO FEW others seem to believe that he should be held to his own standards, that the same discernment we all preach to each other be applied to him (or certain other "researchers" in the community).

I see it as a microcosm of the geo-political scene, where authority is given a pass (enabled) for the good they do...which is at the same time a macrocosm for our interpersonal (abusive/authotitative) relationships.

donk

28th May 2017, 21:03

BTW, I'd read in several post that BR is a Scientologist, so I have been looking for any admission of such by BR. Found it:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39611-A-warning-from-benevolent-ETs-about-our-future-over-60-years-ago/page2

post #27

So, BR's got access to a whole group of psyop specialists. A bit surprised he hasn't scrubbed this off his site (yet), so actually that's a point in his favor, or a "hidden in plain sight" thingie.

Start a thread on PA about the OT3, including a posting of a pic of the LRON handwritten page that is the entirety of that sacred-to-scientologists document...and watch what happens.

...or, if ya ain't allowed in to his house...read some of this:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59276-Q-and-A-about-Ron-Hubbard-Bill-Robertson-Scientology-the-Free-Zone-and-Ron-s-Org

He doesn't openly advertise his beliefs...but you can get him to reveal them to you if ya try hard enough

Dumpster Diver

28th May 2017, 22:27

Start a thread on PA about the OT3, including a posting of a pic of the LRON handwritten page that is the entirety of that sacred-to-scientologists document...and watch what happens.

...or, if ya ain't allowed in to his house...read some of this:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59276-Q-and-A-about-Ron-Hubbard-Bill-Robertson-Scientology-the-Free-Zone-and-Ron-s-Org

He doesn't openly advertise his beliefs...but you can get him to reveal them to you if ya try hard enough

Interesting story; not one of them but he uses their techniques. Thanks for the find.

That's like "I'm not a paedophile, but I use their techniques" in my book.

I also recall where he denied being a Scientologist, and then when a William Ryan was "found on the Scientologist books," it was some other BR.

...and now a pretty impressive psyop against CG.

Too much smoke here for me, folks.

donk

29th May 2017, 00:22

There was a (late) William Ryan that wrote a whole bunch of higher-than-Hubbard's "OT levels"**, years ago now. Totally different William Ryan (from what I understand)

Our Bill Ryan would have me believe that he believes that posting the OT3 is recklessly irresponsible, causing harm to myself and possibly others...according to private message he sent me when I was a member of his forum.

**i think Hubbard went to "operating thetan level 8", you get past that and you're "clear". The William Ryan you are mentioning was a "freezoner" that wrote more advanced levels, I'd imagine to chagrin of fundamentalist scientologists

Dumpster Diver

29th May 2017, 00:30

donk

29th May 2017, 01:34

BTW, I'd read in several post that BR is a Scientologist, so I have been looking for any admission of such by BR. Found it:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39611-A-warning-from-benevolent-ETs-about-our-future-over-60-years-ago/page2

post #27

So, BR's got access to a whole group of psyop specialists. A bit surprised he hasn't scrubbed this off his site (yet), so actually that's a point in his favor, or a "hidden in plain sight" thingie.

Heh...not sure why you posted this particular thread, but I never saw Corey (goodETxSG) post on PA without the bolded purple text...interesting :eyebrows:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39611-A-warning-from-benevolent-ETs-about-our-future-over-60-years-ago&p=478602&viewfull=1#post478602

...what a blast from the past...some great peeps on there, sadly some of them loooong gone...

Dumpster Diver

29th May 2017, 02:20

Donk, I posted because BR talks about Scientology processing:

BR: "Scientology processing. Not regression or hypnosis. A very sharp, clean and and clear ‘knife’ that (in ethical and well-trained hands) cuts through absolutely anything.

But this particular event was exposed with the loving help of a very close friend. I was unaccountably and extraordinarily upset about a social incident that had occurred, and was experiencing a disproportionate amount of pain and anger (always a clue!). My friend held the space for me and made it safe for me to reach inside and discover the real truth about what was going on. The details I then uncovered in processing the next day."

Just ran across it today, weird statement from someone NOT into Scientology, IMO.

donk

29th May 2017, 02:48

Dumpster Diver

29th May 2017, 05:44

Sorry...I'm not following you...

I think Bill's scientological beliefs are important to this thread, and revisiting recent history helps. But you were asking about "proof" Bill had such beliefs...and now you're talking about some specific event in your personal life?

It's strange how a conversation about topic in a thread that's seemingly very specific can go off the rails...how exactly are your contributions related to the topic of what Bill's doing with the alt media or even the alt media in general?

...I mean it is kinda fun to watch Space Ghost have an exchange with Oscar the Grouch, but seriously....I was TRYING to go somewhere with this (at least last month I was :ht:)

NO. I was clipping text from post #27 that Bill had posted. I bolded the "aha" sentence, i.e, he realy knew how to use these techniques "in ethical and WELL TRAINED hands": in other words, he not only tells you he was trained by them, he outright tells you he's WELL trained by them.

re: Oscar vs Space Ghost, yep the irony is not lost on me.

Maggie

29th May 2017, 16:30

Once Phil suggested facebook as a place to read stuff, I signed up. It's just full of post accusations, protests and justifications. I do think there is a divide and conquer energy. I am beginning to see it as an inherent RELIGIOSITY that seeks an outlet and is now about "my disclosure story is gospel" If evidence is just what one states is so, there will be evidence!

It is no different IMO than the way people see a "god" (an un provable truth that forms the basis of a belief system) as being on their side, appearing in the guise of their vision and with all others as enemy.

This is really fascinating.

Patty Greer
"All shills and truth-ignorant entities will be removed from my wall immediately!!"

Alfred Lambremont Webre

Complex situation. Association with Satanist abusive Capitalist GAIA owner & CITD financer Jerzy has sucked Eric L [AKA David Wil-cock Stage name] & James C. Good [AKA "Corey Good ET" as renamed by Bill Ryan according to his wife Christine Anderson].
into a Life of public fame and fortune through spinning of false whistleblower narratives for personal gain and fortune. If you don't believe this, James C. Good's friend Gonzalez has a bridge in the Kuiper Belt he wants to sell you. Alfred
RICO ISSUES:
deceptive commercial criminal tampering with proprietary Exopolitical research

How can "research" be proprietary? Further from webre

SPLIT IN THE EXOPOLITICS COMMUNITY (https://www.facebook.com/alfred.webre/posts/10158722754190524)- There is also another more fundamental split, between the Satanists and the Light Workers, which commenters seem in denial of in their facile projections. This post is about the deep penetration of JIRKA RYSAVY, a Polish abusive capitalist with Satanic connections from Poland into a hostile takeover of GAIA TV and CONTACT IN THE DESERT.

RYSAVY comes from dubious Polish Satanic money connections where in 2016 Max Spiers was assassinated in Satanic fashion in Warsaw in 2016, just prior to the Oct 2016 keynote address I gave at the Warsaw Truth conference, remotely for safety. On May 4, 2017 I learned that another Warsaw Truth presenter now has brain cancer, all from the same Polish arconic Satanic circles that have taken over GAIA TV, CONTACT IN THE DESERT, & now ANCIENT ALIENS CRUISE.

These Polish arconic satanic forces acting through JIRKA RYSAVY, Polish owner of GAIA, FINANCER OF CONTACT IN THE DESERT & THE ANCIENT ALIENS CRUISE with dubious Polish Satanic connectiins that have made Warsaw ASSASSINATION CITY with the Satanic death of Max Spiers in 2016 and the bioweapon brain cancer of a leading whistleblower in May 2017. The two Exopolitics FLIM FLAM PRESENTERS AT GAIA TV presented by the Satanisr connected owner are reportedly presenting under FALSE NAMES! Corey Goode is a False name. David Wil-cock is a False stage name. These are FLIM FLAM artists.

I was the keynote speaker at the 100th anniversary of Edgar Cayce's birth in St John the Divine Cathedral in New York based on my 1974 book THE AGE OF CATACLYSM about the Cayce Prophecies and my meetings with Cayce's grandson, Charles Thomas Cayce. You can download the book for free at www.exopolitics.com. David Wilcock [AKA Eric L.] was denounced as a fraud by the ARE Association for Research & Enlightenment based on his attempts to appropriate Cayce material and claim Cayce incarnationship for himself. Satanic abusive capitalist Jirka Rysavy, & Exopolitics Flim Flam False name artists Eric L [David Wil-cock] and Corey Goode do not belong in genuine Exopolitics media and must be exposed as operators of low frequency deception

response form CG

James Corey Goode Confirmed, Counter Intel Operation by CIA in the UFO Community... CIA Operatives are self identifying to the community right now. Sadly, the real CIA agents and operatives are the ones making these allegations. Hearsay and fake news is the CIA's current vehicle of deception. It is working so well, why not have CIA operatives in the UFO field use the same method. The same people that complain about no evidence about my experiences are now pushing fake news and lies with zero evidence. Some of the allegations are being watched closely by Attorneys for possible defamation cases... Gaia does not pay for half of CITD, they merely sponsor it. Gaia has ZERO control over the CITD promoters. Thos that have been black balled have been because of drama JUST LIKE THIS that they caused in the past which made organizers leery of bringing them back. Any evidence other than "un-named sources" (Sound familiar? CNN? MSN?) about the owner of Gaia being a Satanist or a CIA agent? NOPE! This community is hungry for unity and action, those driving people or causing division are making themselves even less relevant and less likely to be invited to a major conference. Your opinion of whether I belong in Exopolitics is irrelevant. The vast majority of those that follow this info do... There was not a big conspiracy to keep you and others out of the major conferences, these people are no longer sought to speak because of their negativity and divisive messages. To get the truth, we are going to have to get together and demand it.... The CIA/Powers that BE (Some, obviously Chemically Unstable) are doing all they can to prevent unity in this community just because they cannot handle their UFO Religions/Belief Systems have been violated by my info. It would be too dangerous to them and their agenda in this community came together.. I think that now is a good time to look at these triggered/jealous attackers and see them for what they are despite their rhetoric. I think the community should make their thoughts and feelings known by emailing all of these attackers and posting articles and video's about their agenda's and true motives (& Video's about the accusers hidden bk grounds or experience you have had w/them)... and past rumors about Satanistic or CIA ties? The haters are out of control (Acting like the MSM using "Big Lie" tactics) and doing nothing they claim for this community. Saving it from, what have to be lies (It violates my beliefs so must be false) is what they are professing as their agenda. A closer look at recent history will show all of these people for what they are. Their only chorus/audience are the equally damaged and negatively oriented people. Time to bring Love and Unity to this community so we can organize and get out to demand the truth... Doing bland research and waiting for an announcement of Disclosure has NOT WORKED for the last 70 years... Time for a new strategy... A direct one IMHO. So, in closing.... It is much easier for the CIA to sow discontent in this community (based on different beliefs, just like religion) than to deal with us unified (putting our beliefs aside) and doing million man marches for disclosure. Do you want to be a part of the solution or a part of the control systems agenda? Don't believe me? I don't care... Honestly. If this community comes together despite not liking or believing another person it will be a force to reckon with. No one believes the same thing in this community. That is an easy thread to pull at to sow division. Something we see happening from a number of researchers and once well-known names in this field. Will they continue to be a part of the control system or a part of the solution? www.Full Disclosure Project.org

Responses to CG's (https://www.facebook.com/alfred.webre/posts/10158722754190524)

Alfred Lambremont Webre:
None of the specific fraudulent whistleblower narratives you make are addressed in your general denial, such as the non-existent Gonzalez and non-existent his base in the Kuiper Belt; the non-existent inspection tour you took of facilities on Mars; the fraudulent allegation you made of a weekend trip to Antarctica. These are all blatant outright Exopolitical frauds for which you deserve to be expelled from Exopolitics James C Good

Anna White:
Alfred Lambremont Webre What proof do you have of specific fraudulent claims made by Corey Goode? I don't see any, unless I've missed something, please bring it to my attention. We live in a crazy world. I have listened to many of your guests speak during your interviews, lots of stuff that is hard to believe, yet, nobody seems to be able to substantiate their claims of this bizarre world we live in. All I know is there is a lot of misinformation out there! yet there is probably some truth in all of it. Truth...would we recognize it out there? Would we?... Attacking other people is never in our best interest. What makes your truth any better than anyone's else's truth? That is my truth.

Maggie

29th May 2017, 17:13

This is an interesting conflict years ago. Dan Winter appropriated Stan Tenon's work, Drunvalo was involved somehow and this was a soap opera. But it hints at what Andre Weber is saying. If someone thinks they are in league with Satan, according to my belief system they are....

This "archetype" where people believe themselves saviors must have devils to fight. Then someone would enjoy that role. Then all hell breaks loose in some way when the forces are in a battle.....

From the early 1990's into 2000's:

Drunvalo channeling LUCIFER etcetc.. and JIRKA RYSAVY.. (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message138792/pg1)
If I had known something about theology - if I had heard about Satanism, Lucifer, the "dark side", angelology, messianism, prophecy, miracles, and the like, I might not have been taken by surprise by Mr. Melchizedek´s wild response when I telephoned him. "All hell broke loose", so to speak, when I asked Mr. Melchizedek to help to rein in Mr. Winter as he had promised, and as he wrote in his April 1992 letter to Mr. Winter.

Because I was not well educated in Judaism (which puts no emphasis on these things) and because I was not educated at all about Christianity or Islam (which apparently take Satan and the "dark side" more seriously than does Judaism), I was not at all prepared for Mr. Melchizedek´s weird theological arguments. I was certainly not prepared for Mr. Melchizedek´s threats and his intervention to prevent Meru Foundation from defending the integrity (and usefulness) of our original work from Mr. Winter and his abuses and misrepresentations of it.

I was not at all prepared when Mr. Melchizedek told me that he would not rein in Mr. Winter unless I joined with him and his multi-millionaire benefactor, Jirka Rysavy in "channeling Lucifer." I had previously heard that Mr. Winter was involved in satanism, but I had not taken it seriously or tried to confirm this. (Mr. Rysavy was then CEO of Corporate Express and Transecon in Broomfield, Colorado, and he is now CEO of Gaiam, the health food and exercise equipment mega-corporation that is currently taking over numerous independent businesses. As we know from the transcript of Mr. Winter´s first "confession" (posted at < [link to www.danwinter.com] >) Mr. Winter later worked for Transecon, under a "front" company, set up by Mr. Rysavy, until Mr. Rysavy fired him for refusing to end his plagiarism of my work.)

What followed was like a grade "B" horror or gangster movie. Mr. Melchizedek not only told me that he and Mr. Rysavy were channeling Lucifer, but that now that he had told me this, if I did not go alone with him and if I did not turn my work over to Mr. Winter, "they (I assume he and/or his Lucifer-channeling friends) would ´get´ me."

I was taken completely by surprise. I expected Mr. Melchizedek to be reasonable and caring and to help me to rein in Mr. Winter. Instead I was told about something really sick and dangerous, and I was told if I did not acquiesce, he and/or the others involved with him in channeling Lucifer would actively try to destroy my work and my credibility, and see to it that Mr. Winter got the credit - and that they would support Mr. Winter´s wildly untrue version of events.

At this point, completely blind-sided, I lost it and I got angry. I wish I had a recording of what I actually said, because that would put the lie to what Mr. Melchizedek went on to claim I said - but I don´t. (It was incidents such as this that later prompted us to videotape Mr. Winter´s first confession.) I am sure I told him "to go to hell." I am sure I yelled something to the effect that it would be more effective to hire someone to get him and Mr. Winter than to use the courts. I was really angry.

But, it never occurred to me (and obviously it could not be true) that Mr. Melchizedek, on hearing me tell him to "go to hell", actually, somehow, thought I had the power to make this so.

Mr. Melchizedek then went on to fulfill his threat to harm me. This takes us to Mr. Melchizedek´s letter to Mr. Winter and Mr. Winter´s attorney, Stephen Salai, Esq., and to Meru Foundation´s attorney, Brian Coyne, Esq.

If anyone has questions or comments, or would like to see more evidence or whatever, please send your email to documentation@danwinter.com.

Yours truly,
Stan Tenen
Director of Research,
Meru Foundation

THE WINTER-MELCHIZEDEK CONNECTION
Explanatory Notes by Stan Tenen, written 21 November 2002
Explanatory Notes by Stan Tenen Continued, written 2 December 2002

During the period starting in the late 1980's, when Mr. Winter was freely plagiarizing, *******izing, and misrepresenting my work, I learned that he had been successful in getting Mr. Drunvalo Melchizedek (a.k.a. Akbar, a.k.a. Bernard Perona) to include these misrepresented and *******ized copies of my work in some of his stage and video performances.

I was assured by nearly everyone who knew Mr. Melchizedek at that time that he was a caring and honest person.

I went to considerable trouble to explain the details of what Mr. Winter had done to Mr. Melchizedek, and Mr. Melchizedek then wrote the following letter to Mr. Winter, and sent me a copy.

The entire letter from Mr. Melchizedek, dated April 21, 1992, is reproduced as an exact photocopy, below. Please continue to read below this reproduction of Mr. Melchizedek's letter for the remainder of my explanatory notes.

What Mr. Melchizedek wrote at that time seemed to me to be straightforward and fair. I relied upon what Mr. Melchizedek wrote, because I was told that Mr. Melchizedek was an honest person. But as it turned out, even though Mr. Melchizedek makes the statements above (which I am going to comment on below), he never removed the misrepresenting, plagiarized materials produced by Mr. Winter from his videotapes, and he continued to perform on the same stage alongside Mr. Winter. But I didn't know this at the time.

As you can see from the letter, Mr. Melchizedek is addressing Mr. Winter personally, and he makes it clear that:

1) "Stan is right." --First paragraph, from Mr. Melchizedek's April 1992 letter, above.

2) Mr. Melchizedek makes it clear that the offending work is in Mr. Winter's now-prohibited "The Alphabet of the H)EART(H", and that it includes plagiarism of Mr. Melchizedek's work as well. --Second paragraph, from Mr. Melchizedek's April 1992 letter, above.

3) Mr. Melchizedek makes it clear that he would not have protested if the situation were not continuing.

Mr. Melchizedek tells Mr. Winter to stop referring to him and his work as well. --Third paragraph, from Mr. Melchizedek's April 1992 letter, above.

4) Mr. Melchizedek clearly states that he is aware that Mr. Winter claims that he does not believe in copyright laws.

Mr. Melchizedek says, "...Copyrighted works belong to the owners of those works. If you take them, you can not only hurt people, you are stealing."

Mr. Melchizedek states that "The end does not justify the means." And, he advises Mr. Winter that "giving full credit to other people is a great example of unity." --Fourth paragraph from Mr. Melchizedek's April 1992 letter, above.

5) Mr. Melchizedek personally signs his letter to Mr. Winter, "In love and service," and sends the original to Mr. Winter and a copy to Stan Tenen.

If Mr. Melchizedek had stood by what he wrote here, there would have been no further problem. I had no way of knowing that Mr. Melchizedek did not intend to honor what he wrote here, and that in fact he was acting exactly the opposite to what he wrote.

The fact is that Mr. Melchizedek, as it turns out, did not act according to what he wrote, and that he continued to support Mr. Winter, and perform alongside of Mr. Winter. So, while I believed that Mr. Melchizedek was acting responsibly, as he had written, behind my back Mr. Melchizedek and Mr. Winter were having a good laugh at my expense -- and making a good deal of money, and gaining a good deal of credit for work they had never done.

About three years later, when all attempts to reach an understanding with Mr. Winter with regard to his plagiarism and disparagement had failed and we found ourselves in United States Federal District Court, I made an effort to contact Mr. Melchizedek and engage his assistance in reining in Mr. Winter so as to avoid having to use the court system.

The results of this attempt to make things better were disastrous. It turned out that Mr. Melchizedek had never kept his word, and when I pressed him, the situation became ugly.

Here are excerpts from Mr. Winter's first "confession," his sworn Deposition held on 25 May 1998 in Rochester, New York. They are self-explanatory. (Additional excerpts from Mr. Winter's 25 May 1998 deposition, covering other topics, are posted at www.danwinter.com/DWDepXcrpt.html.)

DEPOSITION OF DANIEL E. WINTER, 25 May, 1998
Rochester, New York, USA

Excerpts Taken 21 November 2002

This is an accurate and true copy. A few minor spelling errors have been corrected.

[NOTE: "Q" indicates a question by Mr. Coyne, the attorney for the Plaintiffs. "A" indicates an answer by Mr. Winter.]

Page 50 line 5 -- page 53 line 5

Q. What relationship did you have with Drunvalo Melchizedek?

A. I've known him for a long time.

Q. Well --

A. I know what letter he's referring to.

MR. TENEN: Why don't you identify it?

Q. I'll hand you a one-page document. Do you recognize that?

A. Yes.

Q. Is that a letter of April 21, 1992?

A. Right.

Q. Is that from Drunvalo Melchizedek to yourself?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you remember that letter?

A. Yes, very well.

Q. If I may have it for a minute. In this letter is Mr. Drunvalo Melchizedek telling you he wants you to stop using his work?

A. He's saying he believed I made a mistake in using alphabet letter forms that were related to Stan's work. That's basically what --

Q. How did you take the sentence --

MR. TENEN: Just read the letter. Did you receive that letter?

MR. WINTER: Yes.

MR. TENEN: Did you honor it?

MR. WINTER: I guess I'm honoring it now.

Q. Didn't he point out what he considered an infraction of his work and then said, “If this was the only infraction of my work I probably would never say anything; but given the degree that this plagiarism seems to be occurring between myself, Stan Tenen, and others, I feel I must ask you to stop using any reference to my work or my name."
Did he say that?

A. Yes.

Q. Nevertheless, after that you had a business relationship with him, didn't you?

A. Well, they invited me to come there and share on several occasions.

Q. Where is “there”?

A. In Arizona. On those occasions I was very careful not to show alphabet --

MR. TENEN: Are you aware of ever receiving funding from the same source that you received funding, ultimately from Transecon?

MR. WINTER: There was a connection. I'm not sure --

MR. TENEN: Do you know how much money they were given?

MR. WINTER: (No response.)

MR. TENEN: Well, this is people you'd been working with.

MR. WINTER: Do I know how much money --

MR. TENEN: Did you receive compensation from them?

MR. WINTER: From Flower of Life?

MR. TENEN: Or Ron Holt or Drunvalo Melchizedek or Hummingbird, or someone funding both jointly with you as part of it.

MR. WINTER: Okay, well, let's try to be real specific here. When I gave the talk out there in Arizona, I received about $300 to give the talk, and I made sure -- I'm pretty sure I was very careful not to show any alphabet letter forms. Do I know how much money Transecon gave to Drunvalo? I don't know. I do know there was a business relationship that had to do with the center they purchased and that it was a very considerable --

MR. TENEN: Mr. Melchizedek wrote that and signed it as working for Hummingbird. What about Hummingbird?

MR. WINTER: Hummingbird is a name Drunvalo Melchizedek has used for a long time. I'm not sure -- I know he still uses that word sometimes as his E-mail addresses.

[END OF EXCERPT]

Mr. Winter identifies, acknowledges, and verifies the authenticity of Mr. Melchizedek's April 21, 1992 letter to him, exactly as posted above.

While admitting as little as possible, and greatly minimizing the funds involved, Mr. Winter tells us that he continued to perform with and for Mr. Melchizedek, and the Flower of Life. When Mr. Winter says he was "very careful not to show any alphabet letter forms," he is lying by leaving the misimpression that he did not show my sculpture(s). Mr. Winter did show my copyright sculpture(s). The alphabet, and/or letters, are not the issue, and Mr. Winter later admitted this overly clever self-serving misdirection in his second "confession".

I would like people to consider the situation step by step, in chronological order, so I will continue to present documents written by Mr. Melchizedek in later postings.

If anyone has questions or comments, or would like to see more evidence or whatever, please send your email to documentation@danwinter.com.

Yours truly,
Stan Tenen
Director of Research,
Meru Foundation

THE WINTER-MELCHIZEDEK CONNECTION - CONTINUED: Mr. Melchizedek's Second Letter
Explanatory Notes by Stan Tenen, written 2 December 2002

I think it would be helpful to fill in some background information, before presenting Mr. Melchizedek's second letter.

Mr. Winter has tried to excuse his thievery and abuse of my work by claiming that he was only "sharing" information that I was trying to keep secret, because I was some sort of selfish and fanatically religious "Jewish priest keeping the secrets of immortality for the Jews alone." (Several of Mr. Winter's outraged and naive followers have self-righteously and innocently screamed this insanity at me personally on the phone.) It serves Mr. Winter when people think I am a fanatically religious Jew. Actually this has never been true.

It is true that I was first motivated to want to help to solve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict when I was in Jerusalem for the first time, and saw for myself that the situation was serious. I did not plan to be in Jerusalem. I was there on a fluke, because a friend had invited me to visit (in part to visit the world famous Bahai Shrine in Haifa) and because my work situation provided an opportunity for the first vacation I had had in 3-years. I also stopped in London and Paris - this was a vacation. - It was not some lunatic scene from the annals of a deluded person visiting Jerusalem and coming down with the well-known mental condition known as "the Jerusalem syndrome." (I was offered a job in an optical-electronics start-up in Haifa, but I didn't take it.)

Until Mr. Winter stole and *******ized my work, it didn't occur to me that I was researching teachings that had been preserved by the dedicated efforts of people of faith and people of science for thousands of years - without myself giving them adequate credit.

Until Mr. Winter stole from me, it never occurred to me that I had a responsibility to respect the sensibilities and feelings of the communities of faith and science that had preserved the raw data I was working from.

In other words, I'm not a particularly good Jew (and I am not a Jewish priest, as Mr. Winter admitted in his Corrective Notice, even he knew this was untrue), but - because of the Golden Rule - and because Mr. Winter was stealing from me, I decided to "give credit where credit is due." I decided - in the words of Jesse Jackson - to not just "talk the talk", but to also "walk the walk." And I decided to do this by honoring my family's religion (which I previously paid no attention to) by not working on Saturdays and by eating (almost completely) vegetarian (so I would be honoring the kosher laws and eating healthy at the same time.)

This is the extent of my fanaticism: I take off one day a week and I eat healthy vegetarian food. Many millions of other normal, non-fanatic, believers and unbelievers, saints, sinners, infidels, scientists, agnostics, etc. etc. do the same thing.

I must admit that as a careful and skeptical scientist I am strict with the truth and integrity of my data and findings. It is just not possible to do good science that has real value in the world without telling the truth and standing up for the truth. All religions teach truthfulness, but this is not my reason for sticking to the truth, providing full and honest findings in context (that is the whole truth), and standing up for it. In science, misrepresentation and sloppiness with regard to the truth destroys credibility.

Because I went to the New York City public schools and did not have a religious education, I never paid much attention to religion and I knew nothing about theology. I studied just enough of the Hebrew alphabet to be able to read at my Bar Mitzvah, and then I had no other connection to anything religious - and I never looked back - until Mr. Winter's thievery reminded me to "give credit where credit is due."

There were more Native Americans from the Mohawk Nation and religious Catholics (who left school early on Wednesdays so they could go to parochial school) in my classes, than there were religious Jews.

Interestingly, Mr. Winter's only education was in theology and psychology. Mr. Winter had a full religious education (and little other education.) Mr. Winter attended Catholic parochial schools and got his B.A. in Psychology - his only credential - at the Catholic University of Detroit. (Mr. Winter admitted under oath that he was lying when he claimed he did graduate work for Prof. Al Ax at U. Detroit, and he confessed that he did not do any other undergraduate or graduate work either.)

In contrast, I was educated to be a honest skeptic, I had no exposure to theology, and I had no training in the use of psychological techniques and pseudo-scientific jargon like the sort of clever double-talk that Mr. Winter (and Mr. Melchizedek) use to get people to believe. I have a B.S. in Physics (minor in Mathematics) from the decidedly non-religious, mechanistic, techno-nerd, Polytechnic Institute of Brooklyn (now the Polytechnic University of New York in Brooklyn.) My work is published in peer-reviewed science and consciousness journals, and I serve on the editorial advisory board of the Science and the Primacy of Consciousness series, along with highly respected "name brand" scholars and scientists with more Ph.D.s than I have fingers and toes.

If I had known something about theology - if I had heard about Satanism, Lucifer, the "dark side", angelology, messianism, prophecy, miracles, and the like, I might not have been taken by surprise by Mr. Melchizedek's wild response when I telephoned him. "All hell broke loose", so to speak, when I asked Mr. Melchizedek to help to rein in Mr. Winter as he had promised, and as he wrote in his April 1992 letter to Mr. Winter.

Because I was not well educated in Judaism (which puts no emphasis on these things) and because I was not educated at all about Christianity or Islam (which apparently take Satan and the "dark side" more seriously than does Judaism), I was not at all prepared for Mr. Melchizedek's weird theological arguments. I was certainly not prepared for Mr. Melchizedek's threats and his intervention to prevent Meru Foundation from defending the integrity (and usefulness) of our original work from Mr. Winter and his abuses and misrepresentations of it.

I was not at all prepared when Mr. Melchizedek told me that he would not rein in Mr. Winter unless I joined with him and his multi-millionaire benefactor, Jirka Rysavy in "channeling Lucifer." I had previously heard that Mr. Winter was involved in satanism, but I had not taken it seriously or tried to confirm this. (Mr. Rysavy was then CEO of Corporate Express and Transecon in Broomfield, Colorado, and he is now CEO of Gaiam, the health food and exercise equipment mega-corporation that is currently taking over numerous independent businesses. As we know from the transcript of Mr. Winter's first "confession" (posted at < [link to www.danwinter.com] Mr. Winter later worked for Transecon, under a "front" company, set up by Mr. Rysavy, until Mr. Rysavy fired him for refusing to end his plagiarism of my work.)

What followed was like a grade "B" horror or gangster movie. Mr. Melchizedek not only told me that he and Mr. Rysavy were channeling Lucifer, but that now that he had told me this, if I did not go alone with him and if I did not turn my work over to Mr. Winter, "they (I assume he and/or his Lucifer-channeling friends) would 'get' me."

I was taken completely by surprise. I expected Mr. Melchizedek to be reasonable and caring and to help me to rein in Mr. Winter. Instead I was told about something really sick and dangerous, and I was told if I did not acquiesce, he and/or the others involved with him in channeling Lucifer would actively try to destroy my work and my credibility, and see to it that Mr. Winter got the credit - and that they would support Mr. Winter's wildly untrue version of events.

At this point, completely blind-sided, I lost it and I got angry. I wish I had a recording of what I actually said, because that would put the lie to what Mr. Melchizedek went on to claim I said - but I don't. (It was incidents such as this that later prompted us to videotape Mr. Winter's first confession.) I am sure I told him "to go to hell." I am sure I yelled something to the effect that it would be more effective to hire someone to get him and Mr. Winter than to use the courts. I was really angry.

But, it never occurred to me (and obviously it could not be true) that Mr. Melchizedek, on hearing me tell him to "go to hell", actually, somehow, thought I had the power to make this so.

Mr. Melchizedek then went on to fulfill his threat to harm me. This takes us to Mr. Melchizedek's letter to Mr. Winter and Mr. Winter's attorney, Stephen Salai, Esq., and to Meru Foundation's attorney, Brian Coyne, Esq.

If anyone has questions or comments, or would like to see more evidence or whatever, please send your email to documentation@danwinter.com.

Yours truly,
Stan Tenen
Director of Research,
Meru Foundation

Clear Blue Skies

29th May 2017, 17:32

Hmmm ... will the real "Corey Goode" please stand up because it seems as if there are at least two so far ...

1) James Corey Goode at www.facebook.com/goodetech
2) Corey Goode at www.facebook.com/corey.goode.338 (https://www.facebook.com/corey.goode.338)

And from what I've read I would've expected Corey's replies (if genuine) to Alfred Lambremont Webre's accusations to have come from the second Facebook persona ... : Sherlock:

Maggie

29th May 2017, 18:49

Jay Widener has had a very long relationship with JIRKA RYSAVY that is interesting to note.
For people interested in the long ago soap operas that exist between known "presenters" who were a previous generation to the Corey Goodes like Vincent Bridges, Jay Widener, Laura Knight-Jadczyk. JIRKA RYSAVY has been a financial contributor for jay Weidner and others and was involved in a charity with Jay Weidner for "poor kids" summer camps. :

The Jadczyk – Weidner Correspondence (https://cassiopaea-cult.com/the-jadczyk-weidner-correspondence)

But this bit is reflecting on current statements from Webre (from Stan Tenen around august 2001)

The Melchizedek-Flower of Life
> cult, Mr. Winter whom I sued, and several other new-age lunatics have all been
> funded to the tune of several million dollars by Mr. Jirka Rysavy, the former
> CEO of Corporate Express, a Fortune 500 monolith. Rysavy was trained by the
> Czech Communist government for Olympic competition, and as I recall, part of
> his training was in Poland. (There is an old Business Week article that I’m
> sure is available.) Rysavy threatened me, and attempted to extort me into
> turning my work over to Mr. Winter, even though he knew Mr. Winter was
> involved in satanism, and even though he knew Mr. Winter was fascinated with
> nazism and was willing to use its antisemitic methods. Rysavy is now running
> a company called Gaiam, which is buying up health food and “new age”
> independents. Gaiam bought Real Goods in Ukiah CA., for example. I hear from
> people who are business acquaintances of Mr. Rysavy that he’s planning an
> international Cable TV and/or Internet network that he intends to use to
> corner the market for public communication on new-age lunacy. He plans to
> salt his program schedule with innocent serious people for credibility, but to
> load it up with his loony tune friends. I’ve personally met Mr. Rysavy. He
> was in my house. This is a very dangerous person. It’s my suspicion that Mr.
> Rysavy is fronting for something else. Internet speculation includes claims
> of KGB, Nazi gold, and just about every other ill source you can imagine. I
> haven’t a clue. All I know is that these guys are all bad news.
>
> Bridges of what I’m writing is confirmed in sworn affidavits and
> depositions. Some of it is based on discussion with Mr. Winter’s family
> members, and with former friends and former associates of Mr. Rysavy and
> Mr. Melchizedek.
>
> That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it. big smile>
>
> Best,
> Stan

Outlander

30th May 2017, 00:50

DISCLOSURE AS OCCULT RITUAL
Interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbJcHaDBITs

PurpleLama

30th May 2017, 02:59

DISCLOSURE AS OCCULT RITUAL
Interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbJcHaDBITs

Man, burnt my eyebrows clean off, the backdraft from that one. Gone way beyond BR, we have. You know this is part 2 of 6, so the best is yet to come. Good to see some real due diligence given to the subject, my hat is off to DJ (pun intended).

Dumpster Diver

30th May 2017, 19:18

Man, burnt my eyebrows clean off, the backdraft from that one. Gone way beyond BR, we have. You know this is part 2 of 6, so the best is yet to come. Good to see some real due diligence given to the subject, my hat is off to DJ (pun intended).

Like PL, I'm also eybrowless but for maybe a different reason.

IMO, You have two organizations in full conflict with each other. Lately, At the end of DW's Gaia TV programs there is an advert for whistle blowers to come out to Gaia to reveal. Competition for Camelot and Avalon?

But I'm reminded, if you really want to ultimately control the dialog, "own both sides." It's what Gladio is all about.

Outlander

30th May 2017, 19:19

TargeT

30th May 2017, 19:24

Like PL, I'm also eybrowless but for maybe a different reason.

IMO, You have two organizations in full conflict with each other. Lately, At the end of DW's Gaia TV programs there is an advert for whistle blowers to come out to Gaia to reveal. Competition for Camelot and Avalon?

But I'm reminded, if you really want to ultimately control the dialog, "own both sides." It's what Gladio is all about.

Ok, but Kerry is a joke, and So is bill ryan (as far as whistleblower) go... there's no competition, and if it's a op/co-op situation then it's a very very one sided one; generally when you run Lowes and Home depot, you make the competition look at least close to the same level so you bleed off as many people to one or the other.... this doesn't seem to be the case here (at least it didn't untill Dark Journalist stepped in, but even then he lacks the clear monetary backing of wilcock/goode).

This is by no means an even clash; it does follow known patterns, but how would you expect it not too, we are shown these patterns work through out our lives (even if we don't fully understand them) so of course we will pick them up. Just like heavy use and reliance on logical fallacy, it's something we learn via our environment.

Dumpster Diver

30th May 2017, 19:32

TargeT, I must disagree. You have BR rounding up a lot of firepower on his side, and now a slickly produced "Dark Journalist" entering the fray after some superb interviews with Steele and Fitts.

...and like the WWE, probably managed "at the top" by a MCMahon to maximize the return in splitting the community.

TargeT

30th May 2017, 20:46

TargeT, I must disagree. You have BR rounding up a lot of firepower on his side,

I see him desperately trying to validate by getting what ever recognition he can from "trusted names" (seems like "name dropping" is very important to him) but I don't see any actual support manifesting.

and now a slickly produced "Dark Journalist" entering the fray after some superb interviews with Steele and Fitts.
If that's "slickly" produced... haha I've made a couple of videos myself, "dark journalists" level of production feels very on par with my-own (perhaps he has a bit more time, not much) and is lightyears away from Wilcock/gia tv.

he basically has an audio recording with a couple of still shots (the same ones usually) that flip back and forth.. that takes nothing to make, production wise... He does have that goofy voice he uses (I think he assumes its cool? haha) so there's that I suppose.

...and like the WWE, probably managed "at the top" by a MCMahon to maximize the return in splitting the community.

If it's meant to divide it's not doing a very good job, "they" are far bigger than "us". (and so the "harvest" makes sense in that light)

Fred Steeves

30th May 2017, 20:55

I love the Vince McMahon/WWE combo package, very good metaphor. If Vince McMahon were backed by The Darkies, it would be about the perfect metaphor.

TargeT

30th May 2017, 22:15

If Vince McMahon were backed by The Darkies, it would be about the perfect metaphor.

I'd actually be surprised if he isn't; WWE seems like the embodiment of TPTB tried and true MO.

Dumpster Diver

30th May 2017, 23:56

TargeT, your side has Farrell, Dolan (heavily leaning), Greer, Fitts & Steele (semi-mainstream), new attack Rottweiler Dark J, the Avalon Koolaid Kult, and who else has slipped my mind? Maybe Kerry, but she wants to hold out a bit to score a few interviews, so will play at being "neutral." In my book, pretty impressive.

Downplaying your side while trash-talking the opposition is an interesting tactic.

Add on: Bill's ex, Christine? It's always a good move when you can get your ex to publicly approve your side after a sh!t storm divorce.

Aianawa

31st May 2017, 00:04

Add Clif High lol

TargeT

31st May 2017, 00:13

TargeT, your side has Farrell, Dolan (heavily leaning), Greer, Fitts & Steele (semi-mainstream), new attack Rottweiler Dark J, the Avalon Koolaid Cult, and who else has slipped my mind? Maybe Kerry, but she wants to hold out a bit to score a few interviews, so will play at being "neutral." In my book, pretty impressive.

Downplaying your side while trash-talking the opposition is an interesting tactic.

your pretty polarized bro

I didn't know I had chosen a side, I know corey from his postings 2011-2014 (or so) across various forums. There's no koolaid involved, I was at PA conversing with him and watching him build up to his "whistle blower" decision, we knocked heads several times over technical issues (I've been in some sort of IT related field for 18 years now, he claims to also work IT; I've worked for the military all of those 18 years, he claims to have worked for the military also). I'm just sharing my perspective on a situation; there's a lot of "camping up" that happens these days, but I'm not sure how useful it is.

So Farrell, Dolan, Greer, Fittz & steel have gotten together and planned something, is that what your insinuating by the "side" use? Is it just easier to polarize everything so you have mental shortcuts?I dunno who Farrell is, I don't read anything from Greer (never did) Same with Dolan (not interested in what he has to "offer") Don't know who Fittz is and Steel gets way too much MSM air time for me to ever trust. So that's not a very impressive list to me, should I be impressed?

I don't think I am trash talking "the opposition" (how exactly are "they" (and who is "they" or is it just corey?) opposing anything?); this is an individual that I have had a lot of communication with over the past 6 years; I'm sharing my experience based knowledge and conclusions drawn from that.

I actually don't consume any "UFO" or SSP material, (I've heard "dolan" enough lately to know he's related to SSP somehow, the rest aside from greer and steel I have no clue who they are) I think it's mostly a waste of time and have never seen any evidence to prove otherwise. (not to say there isn't something there, just: we don't have it). Same with channeling, I have a hard time allowing myself to take that seriously.

Add Clif High lol

I've heard that name too, is he a UFO guy also? From my perspective a lot of people are seeing the obvious, and sure, there's probably quite a few cases of the pot calling the kettle black... but I'm not overly concerned about that... I can't stand manipulators.

Aianawa

31st May 2017, 00:26

Feel you may enjoy Clif, very logical imo and out spoken.

Dumpster Diver

31st May 2017, 00:27

your pretty polarized bro

I didn't know I had chosen a side, I know corey from his postings 2011-2014 (or so) across various forums. There's no koolaid involved, I was at PA conversing with him and watching him build up to his "whistle blower" decision, we knocked heads several times over technical issues (I've been in some sort of IT related field for 18 years now, he claims to also work IT; I've worked for the military all of those 18 years, he claims to have worked for the military also). I'm just sharing my perspective on a situation; there's a lot of "camping up" that happens these days, but I'm not sure how useful it is.

So Farrell, Dolan, Greer, Fittz & steel have gotten together and planned something, is that what your insinuating by the "side" use? Is it just easier to polarize everything so you have mental shortcuts?I dunno who Farrell is, I don't read anything from Greer (never did) Same with Dolan (not interested in what he has to "offer") Don't know who Fittz is and Steel gets way too much MSM air time for me to ever trust. So that's not a very impressive list to me, should I be impressed?

I don't think I am trash talking "the opposition" (how exactly are "they" (and who is "they" or is it just corey?) opposing anything?); this is an individual that I have had a lot of communication with over the past 6 years; I'm sharing my experience based knowledge and conclusions drawn from that.

I actually don't consume any "UFO" or SSP material, (I've heard "dolan" enough lately to know he's related to SSP somehow, the rest aside from greer and steel I have no clue who they are) I think it's mostly a waste of time and have never seen any evidence to prove otherwise. (not to say there isn't something there, just: we don't have it). Same with channeling, I have a hard time allowing myself to take that seriously.

Polarizing? Moi? First I've heard of it. :shocked:

As far as how good "your side" is in this WWE match, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

...and as far as it being your side, I've insinuated it before and didn't hear disagreement, so I thought I'd state it more clearly this time.

I'm not one of the touchy-"freely" new age, cargo cult crowd, T. I tend to speak and think like a military person after 43 years in "da biz."

Aianawa

31st May 2017, 00:34

Do you feel that 43 years corrupted your mind much as such or feel on top of that ?

Dumpster Diver

31st May 2017, 01:10

Do you feel that 43 years corrupted your mind much as such or feel on top of that ?

Aianawa, it is hard to shake off the conditioning. But I was lucky as my bride is very empathic. I had/have a lot to learn. The shock was W's Great Recession. Lost 3.5 $million in that debacle but we didn't go bankrupt and everyone we knew in situations similar to ours did. That started the 'waking' process, so maybe the it was the best $3.5M I have ever "invested." We struggled thru a massive financial storm, and finally got "retired" (really made redundant) from a last remaining job and could not get rehired, but managed to have enough to get by. Out of work, I made time to investigate UFOs because of a few things I'd noticed over the years and that started me down the rabbit hole.

So now, I'm growing out my hair, reading about karma and chakras, working the reincarnation stuff (picked that up from the bride about 30 years ago) and modeling myself on the Modwiz's of the world. :eyebrows: I don't do humble well. I don't like much of what I've found. But I enjoy every day. I do think I'm walking an almost correct karmic path for my broken personality. I've a ton to learn and I'm probably behind everyone on this forum.

Fred Steeves

31st May 2017, 01:33

Out of work, I made time to investigate UFOs because of a few things I'd noticed over the years and that started me down the rabbit hole.

So now, I'm growing out my hair, reading about karma and chakras, working the reincarnation stuff (picked that up from the bride about 30 years ago) and modeling myself on the Modwiz's of the world. :eyebrows: I don't do humble well. I don't like much of what I've found. But I enjoy every day. I do think I'm walking an almost correct karmic path for my broken personality. I've a ton to learn and I'm probably behind everyone on this forum.

Fair enough for now.

Dumpster Diver

31st May 2017, 16:24

TargeT

31st May 2017, 17:31

Feel you may enjoy Clif, very logical imo and out spoken.

I watched the video of him you posted, I had read a bunch about hte web bot predictions; pretty interesting guy; he's one of the few from this "list of supporters" I would take seriously so far.

http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/05/more-people-coming-out-against-secret-space-program-disclosure-from-corey-goode.html

More folks lining up for Darth HatMan's tag team (including TargeT? I didn't see a denial)

It's gonna be a rumble in the alt-world jungle folks!

For someone "new to the scene" you sure seem to have some built up angst against mr hat... (though that's a pretty common theme on this forum, as it's what the inception was based on, so maybe just collateral damage?)

I still don't see a team, just people agreeing on the obvious, so not sure what denial is needed. I thought we were agreeing to disagree on that one?

You say you see "psyops" patterns, I don't; I see sloppy interviews with stumbling hesitant participants (bill ryan, I don't get how people think he's some great orator) that have minimal editing and production behind them and a few people agreeing with the ideas put forward via written statement (aka, zero effort). I know you have some military background, I do too, mine happens to be Light infantry (attached as signal), Signal and Intelligence.. I worked for a BFSB (battle field surveillance battalion) for years and knew the hum-int guys and their methods.. and I'm not seeing it at all, it's too sloppy; we were always very smooth and understood the need for that "first impression" to lock in the perspective of the assets.. Gia TV is the embodiment of that.

Dr Greer leverages high production just like gia tv does.. those two much more fit the MO of psyops.. high production, cult like belief systems (the whole "no proof" thing doesn't matter) NLP everywhere you look and rarely a coherent idea put forward in full with logical fallacies behind every pronoun (this part is important, it allows the asset to build in their mind what ever they'd like about you; and since you secured that all important first impression it almost always goes in your favor), and it just oozes "money" when viewed... this is far closer to the standard MO for churches, for government narrative pushes etc etc...

I guess I see the complete opposite, so what am I suppose to deny again? have you denied being on team corey?

modwiz

31st May 2017, 17:47

http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/05/more-people-coming-out-against-secret-space-program-disclosure-from-corey-goode.html

More folks lining up for Darth HatMan's tag team (including TargeT? I didn't see a denial)

It's gonna be a rumble in the alt-world jungle folks!
A rumble is ill-advised and a sign we have done something stupid, IMO. This has just begun and there is time and room for people to decide how our future unfolds. A rumble is just old patterns being fed.

Outlander

31st May 2017, 18:15

Corey Goode and Cobra Joint Interview
May 29, 2017
For those who are interested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0wYkOAtcEs

Dreamtimer

31st May 2017, 18:24

I watched the video of him you posted, I had read a bunch about hte web bot predictions; pretty interesting guy; he's one of the few from this "list of supporters" I would take seriously so far.

For someone "new to the scene" you sure seem to have some built up angst against mr hat... (though that's a pretty common theme on this forum, as it's what the inception was based on, so maybe just collateral damage?)

I still don't see a team, just people agreeing on the obvious, so not sure what denial is needed. I thought we were agreeing to disagree on that one?

You say you see "psyops" patterns, I don't; I see sloppy interviews with stumbling hesitant participants (bill ryan, I don't get how people think he's some great orator) that have minimal editing and production behind them and a few people agreeing with the ideas put forward via written statement (aka, zero effort). I know you have some military background, I do too, mine happens to be Light infantry (attached as signal), Signal and Intelligence.. I worked for a BFSB (battle field surveillance battalion) for years and knew the hum-int guys and their methods.. and I'm not seeing it at all, it's too sloppy; we were always very smooth and understood the need for that "first impression" to lock in the perspective of the assets.. Gia TV is the embodiment of that.

Dr Greer leverages high production just like gia tv does.. those two much more fit the MO of psyops.. high production, cult like belief systems (the whole "no proof" thing doesn't matter) NLP everywhere you look and rarely a coherent idea put forward in full with logical fallacies behind every pronoun (this part is important, it allows the asset to build in their mind what ever they'd like about you; and since you secured that all important first impression it almost always goes in your favor), and it just oozes "money" when viewed... this is far closer to the standard MO for churches, for government narrative pushes etc etc...

I guess I see the complete opposite, so what am I suppose to deny again? have you denied being on team corey?

This post is very interesting to me, TargeT. Which of the mainstream news outlets have you observed as ranking highest in use of these methods?

Aianawa, it is hard to shake off the conditioning. But I was lucky as my bride is very empathic. I had/have a lot to learn. The shock was W's Great Recession. Lost 3.5 $million in that debacle but we didn't go bankrupt and everyone we knew in situations similar to ours did. That started the 'waking' process, so maybe the it was the best $3.5M I have ever "invested." We struggled thru a massive financial storm, and finally got "retired" (really made redundant) from a last remaining job and could not get rehired, but managed to have enough to get by. Out of work, I made time to investigate UFOs because of a few things I'd noticed over the years and that started me down the rabbit hole.

So now, I'm growing out my hair, reading about karma and chakras, working the reincarnation stuff (picked that up from the bride about 30 years ago) and modeling myself on the Modwiz's of the world. :eyebrows: I don't do humble well. I don't like much of what I've found. But I enjoy every day. I do think I'm walking an almost correct karmic path for my broken personality. I've a ton to learn and I'm probably behind everyone on this forum.

My family took a big hit, too. Unfortunately, I didn't see a waking up process. Not at all. Instead, doubling down of even deeper denial. It's pretty hard for people to get out of the cycle of denial. I've watched it bring a few people down.

Mahakasyapa

31st May 2017, 18:26

Cobra & Corey Goode :fpalm:

Back in the day when I fell for the whole ascension psy op & read/watched everything DW, fulford, etc put out, I still had the good sense to sniff out that cobra was just selling pure fantasy. To see a post of cobra & CG on an interview today gives me a goode belly laugh at my naïveté in the year 2012 :hilarious:

Maggie

31st May 2017, 18:27

A rumble is ill-advised and a sign we have done something stupid, IMO. This has just begun and there is time and room for people to decide how our future unfolds. A rumble is just old patterns being fed.

The only rumble is of the mansplaining of bromancers all thinking along with their wilcocks.
He #1 said, then He#2 said, then He#1 said and then He#3 repeated what both said, then He #4 knew it was all the truth and argued with He #5 who tried to be skeptical in the best way..........

How do you examine the evidence of something that is inherently PARAnormal??

back when a few reporters took a look at the sorry state of UFO conventions in the United States, and wondered whether UFOlogy as a field had finally come to an end, some of the best minds in the world were meeting behind close doors on the other side of the Atlantic, having serious discussions about a subject which is still regarded as a form of deranged entertainment by the majority of mainstream media.

Those who were invited to participate didn't have to waste time convincing the audience about the reality of the phenomenon; nor was this a reunion of 'true believers' spinning yarns of contact with benevolent Space Brothers or malevolent alien invaders (and they were certainly NO Kodachrome slides of child mummies displayed on cheap glass showcases!). The multinational team of scientists and members of the military gathered at the CAIPAN workshop, sponsored by the French space agency CNES, were gathered in the city of Paris on the second weekend of July of 2014, because they were already convinced UFOs are more than fodder for the supermarket tabloids. But more than that, they were keenly aware of an utterly embarrassing realization for those who claim to be 'professional UFOlogists': That almost 70 years after Kenneth's Arnold seminal sighting in June of 1947, we still don't know $#!t about what UFOs *are*.

Which was precisely the point of Jacques Vallee's participation during the CAIPAN workshop. "Suppose the so-called Disclosure happened tomorrow," Vallee proposes at the beginning of his presentation titled A Strategy for Research; were that to occur, and the press actually began to take the subject seriously and ask UFOlogists for information about the phenomenon, "we would be unable to answer a number of very basic questions."

By getting back to basics, Vallee is setting forth a number of very straightforward and logical questions highlighting our monumental ignorance about the phenomenon:

Are there global patterns in the data?
What are the physical facts of the phenomenon?
Are there special locations where it manifests?
What are the social and cultural factors?
What is the impact on humans?
What methodology is applicable?
The most shocking aspect of the strategy proposed by Vallee, is the fact that ALL those issues can be researched today with the tools available to modern Science. UFOlogy does not require a 'Moon-shot' approach in which we have to patiently wait for the development of new technologies, in hope of one day starting to catch up with the elusive phenomenon. Parsing the databases already gathered by the few civilian groups conducting research --or the files left behind by defunct organizations, like APRO-- could begin to throw some light about patterns observed by UFOs throughout history.

So why are we not doing it?

"UFOlogy has no Ontology" says Vallee, as a phrase meant to encapsulate the stagnation of a field which is already suffering from rheumatism, even though it has barely given its first few steps. With UFOs we try to study cases by exclusion alone --"it wasn't a plane, or a balloon, or Venus, or a meteor, ergo it's an unknown"-- and until we come up with a useful methodology devoid of ideology, with which we can go beyond what UFOs aren't and start to describe what UFOs are, another 70 more years will come and go, and our children's children will still be wondering about those pesky lights in the sky.

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There is something to all this but WHAT?
People are having experiences and there are deep questions.
The experiences make some true believers who then have an agenda and are vulnerable to being co-opted (ends justify means sort of justifications).
SOME people are gathering all the info and using it for themselves against everyone else.

Has to do with abduction experience but can be generalized that IF stories are consistent, told with appropriate emotional intensity, appropriate self doubt( and some shock that others have the experience) AND the story tellers have nothing to gain, events may stretch credulity but cannot be dismissed.

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TargeT

31st May 2017, 18:34

This post is very interesting to me, TargeT. Which of the mainstream news outlets have you observed as ranking highest in use of these methods?

They are all really good at it (this started decades ago), The US has CNN/MSNBC/FOX as "the best", but BBC & RT are right up there.. Then you have comical examples (which terrifyingly work!) from China ( CCTV ) & N.K. (KCTV) which just lie however they like because they control (most) of the internet with in their boarders so it's really hard to prove them wrong.

This is the main reason I quit watching TV (especially news) in 2005 (after I had had a bunch of exposure to the HUM-INT programs and was preparing to deploy with the BFSB). now I just reference it to see "what they are trying to get us to believe" and it's surprising how if you just take that, then look at what would be the complete opposite; you'll find far more often than not this is "closer" to the truth.

Cobra & Corey Goode :fpalm:

Back in the day when I fell for the whole ascension psy op & read/watched everything DW, fulford, etc put out, I still had the good sense to sniff out that cobra was just selling pure fantasy. To see a post of cobra & CG on an interview today gives me a goode belly laugh at my naïveté in the year 2012 :hilarious:

Yeah, you'd think there would be some sensitivity to how Cobra played himself out... however these M.O.'s aren't creative, the best tactic they have (and it often works) is just to shift context.. but they didn't even really do that this time.. haha.

donk

31st May 2017, 22:17

So Bill is now on to "the larger picture", and makes some nice little posts that shed light on what he (& I) think the problem is:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98002-The-Corey-Goode-Factor-as-part-of-a-Larger-Reality&p=1156638&viewfull=1#post1156638

A new avalonian asks for a little clarity on the "mess", and he responds with this (emphasis mine):

Yes, I really understand!

Here's the super-condensed version of the saga. I believe this to be accurate.

Corey Goode was an Avalon member for a long time.

After he was interviewed in Sept-Oct 2014, he left the forum, became critically hostile to Avalon, and then very grossly embellished his previous story, seeking out David Wilcock to assist. Researcher and author Michael Salla has also promoted Corey's story. Many details of the story are generally held to be ridiculous and fantastical, and other parts plagiarized.

Wilcock and Gaia TV have now turned this (and Corey) into a money-making golden goose that they cannot afford to kill, unless the goose ceases to be an asset.

Genuine whistleblowers and careful researchers are now being in danger of being marginalized in the context of a marketing wave of populist comic-book promotion.

There is growing evidence that nefarious forces are at play, not just one person's [what some people see as] sociopathy.

Then the new poster wonders about pre-Corey Wilcock, as she wasn't familiar, so he responds thusly:

Bulletpoint summary of David Wilcock: (bearing in mind that some of this is my personal opinion, but I do know quite a lot about him)

He's done a lot of good work. He has a very high intellect, is very articulate, and a huge ability to retain and recall data. He is also a good author.

Kerry Cassidy and I did quite a lot (in Project Camelot) to bring him to prominence back in 2007-8. Although he was already a known figure, he was at that time talented, modest, and a little unsure of himself in some ways. He was also very supportive of Camelot in that period, and we appreciated that.

Many people on the net (and many here on the forum) will say that his ego and desire for fame has grown since then to the degree that he is respected and liked quite a lot less.

Money has always been important to him. As long ago as 2009, he would not speak at a conference for less than $5,000.

There's one thread (started by Weezer) where she documents how she was defrauded by him out of $10,000.

There are many other Avalon threads about him (search for 'Wilcock' in thread titles). Many point out that he has stated and predicted many things that are not true, or have not come about, all of which he appears to brush off.

I think EVERYONE agrees on the "green" issue...there's not a ton of mystery or even that much contraversy about that.

I believe the "red" issue is a common concern of the "community" that warrants discussion and I will praise Bill here for doing that....HOWEVER....the thing I've been going on about since even before Corey is demonstrated by the (CG) bold purple highlight.

In his characterization of CG, his narrative goes: Corey was just a poster, happened to get interviewed, and after that is what's worth noting. I personally thought it was blatantly obvious (to anyone on the forums back then, or anyone who considered a themselves a "serious researcher" and went back to look) the import of what he glosses over (ie the hype he created over his super-secret whistleblower)...but I was wrong about that, it's not really as obvious as i thought...and again, I guess I could be wrong, but I feel it is as or actually MORE important than the aftermath

And I know that the handful here that participate on these types of threads (that I've been making ad nauseum since that time) have actually heard me say it a million times...but I'm finding out that a lot of people miss that point, and folks that weren't immersed as some of us were couldn't have possibility gotten it, so I'm laying it out again for posterity.

And I think it's particularly interesting in contrast to the 2nd purp highlight, where Bill takes partial responsibility for David Wilcock's fame...which back in those days was considered a "good thing" as he was bringing some solid stuff to the table in the eyes of a lot of people.

To be clear, I think Bill laying things out as concisely as he is, and steering the conversation to what he considers important is great...but I am calling him on my perception that he is (subtly, effectively) changing the narrative, and in the process contributing to or even creating to more of a "problem in the community" than famous bluebirds (and maybe even david willya-look-at-my-cock) could ever be**.

**ADDED....well, at least to the people who pay attention to Bill and/or the characters he has a hand in "bringing to prominence"

Aianawa

31st May 2017, 22:45

A Jordan Sather reply >

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-BsO-mirZQ

Dumpster Diver

31st May 2017, 22:46

I watched the video of him you posted, I had read a bunch about hte web bot predictions; pretty interesting guy; he's one of the few from this "list of supporters" I would take seriously so far.

For someone "new to the scene" you sure seem to have some built up angst against mr hat... (though that's a pretty common theme on this forum, as it's what the inception was based on, so maybe just collateral damage?)

I still don't see a team, just people agreeing on the obvious, so not sure what denial is needed. I thought we were agreeing to disagree on that one?

You say you see "psyops" patterns, I don't; I see sloppy interviews with stumbling hesitant participants (bill ryan, I don't get how people think he's some great orator) that have minimal editing and production behind them and a few people agreeing with the ideas put forward via written statement (aka, zero effort). I know you have some military background, I do too, mine happens to be Light infantry (attached as signal), Signal and Intelligence.. I worked for a BFSB (battle field surveillance battalion) for years and knew the hum-int guys and their methods.. and I'm not seeing it at all, it's too sloppy; we were always very smooth and understood the need for that "first impression" to lock in the perspective of the assets.. Gia TV is the embodiment of that.

Dr Greer leverages high production just like gia tv does.. those two much more fit the MO of psyops.. high production, cult like belief systems (the whole "no proof" thing doesn't matter) NLP everywhere you look and rarely a coherent idea put forward in full with logical fallacies behind every pronoun (this part is important, it allows the asset to build in their mind what ever they'd like about you; and since you secured that all important first impression it almost always goes in your favor), and it just oozes "money" when viewed... this is far closer to the standard MO for churches, for government narrative pushes etc etc...

I guess I see the complete opposite, so what am I suppose to deny again? have you denied being on team corey?

T, I'm just jiggling you since you didn't explicitly say, "I'm not on Darth HatMan's team" especially since it sounded like you helped with the Koolaid.

If anything, I'm auditioning for ring announcer. But, if you want to make me, at the tender age of 68, one of Corey's Kids, if there is money involved, I'm down with it. :winner:

I'm now on to it being a managed Dialectic, i.e. WWE event where the fans think it is real and management knows the score.

Dumpster Diver

31st May 2017, 22:55

A rumble is ill-advised and a sign we have done something stupid, IMO. This has just begun and there is time and room for people to decide how our future unfolds. A rumble is just old patterns being fed.

What else is new? The alt-world gets played over and over...this maybe is a bigger over.

A point Dolan makes: if you go to one of these seances, how believing and gullible the large majority is. Sheep to be shorn. There are not any saviours here, you gotta save yourself. Grow the f**k up and get on with it.

Dumpster Diver

31st May 2017, 23:04

Donk, as to Wilcock "demanding" $5K for an appearance, that's the way the biz has to be run.

If you are the main attraction, and you do not demand a fair cut of the action, the promoter will gobble up your part. The sheep being shorn for tickets will not save any money. This is a business! I say this as my son is in the music management biz, and it is the same animal. There is usually much less money to be shared after expenses than most folks think based on ticket prices.

donk

31st May 2017, 23:45

I messed up on the highlight, I only wanted the first sentence, I certainly don't think Bill's example of the $5k is very revelatory of anything beyond the super obvious.

I really don't care about the money, especially specific dollar amounts...my point was the problematic side of any cash involved in the disclosing of information is something I think we ALL agree upon for the most part, and no one is changing their idea whether it's justifiable or not, which may be an area some disagree on. I certainly don't think it's interesting to talk about and tried to relay that in my post

Apologies for any confusion.

Dumpster Diver

31st May 2017, 23:59

I messed up on the highlight, I only wanted the first sentence, I certainly don't think Bill's example of the $5k is not very revelatory of anything beyond the super obvious.

I really don't care about the money, especially specific dollar amounts...my point was the problematic side of any cash involved in the disclosing of information is something I think we ALL agree upon for the most part, and no one is changing their idea whether it's justifiable or not, which may be an area some disagree on. I certainly don't think it's interesting to talk about and tried to relay that in my post

Apologies for any confusion.

Ok, np.

But again, I think everyone is missing that DW, at least, in Wisdom Teachings is exposing hard, verifiable facts that one can research. CG mostly isn't and BR is so busy running his koolaid stand to investigate DW's points at all, he just blows shade.

I'm like Joe Friday on the old show Dragnet, "just the facts, ma'am." Choosing up sides is plain stupid. Even the bad guys will tell you things of value. As Yogi said, "you can observe a lot just by watching." :belief:

donk

1st June 2017, 00:08

Dumpster Diver

1st June 2017, 00:28

I don't see you doing a lot of watching, it seems like you are deflecting the conversation towards "facts" you find interesting...missing the "fact" that some of us don't see everyone as a "good or bad" guy...or treat this as wrestling match in a circus

This thread is about Bill's disclosure of information on Corey Goode. Some of the "facts" you are rehashing may have some revelance somehow, but certainly not to my post you were speaking to

True. The WWE stuff is for fun. Some of the stuffed shirts here don't have much since of humor. I joke a lot and it tends to p*ss off folks.

I deal in items I can verify or not; if your opinion points me to something I can use, great, I'll use it. If you give me your blue sky opinion on something, I won't.

I repeat things because folks maybe haven't read the few things I've "verified" (in quotes as nothing is 100%, the better ones are above 70%) in other threads.

Nobody is all black or white, all shades of gray, same with high probability state facts.

TargeT

1st June 2017, 03:59

A Jordan Sather reply >

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-BsO-mirZQ

Felt like it was time for me to step in...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMcSLzY6elA

donk

1st June 2017, 04:03

True. The WWE stuff is for fun. Some of the stuffed shirts here don't have much since of humor. I joke a lot and it tends to p*ss off folks.

I deal in items I can verify or not; if your opinion points me to something I can use, great, I'll use it. If you give me your blue sky opinion on something, I won't.

I repeat things because folks maybe haven't read the few things I've "verified" (in quotes as nothing is 100%, the better ones are above 70%) in other threads.

Nobody is all black or white, all shades of gray, same with high probability state facts.

So you're derailing this thread to bring attention to DW's verifiable facts? That is a friggin joke...you must crack yourself up, eh?

modwiz

1st June 2017, 06:23

True. The WWE stuff is for fun. Some of the stuffed shirts here don't have much since of humor. I joke a lot and it tends to p*ss off folks.

I deal in items I can verify or not; if your opinion points me to something I can use, great, I'll use it. If you give me your blue sky opinion on something, I won't.

I repeat things because folks maybe haven't read the few things I've "verified" (in quotes as nothing is 100%, the better ones are above 70%) in other threads.

Nobody is all black or white, all shades of gray, same with high probability state facts.

Hey Dumpy. The Tent is a place to discuss other threads. It is also frequented by more than one wizard and you will be punching at your own weight. This thread is now group therapy and important for its participants. Some more than others but, the feelings generated are VALID ones and need to be honored. This is not a thread for testing people's humor. Nuff said?

Elen

1st June 2017, 07:49

Hey Dumpy. The Tent is a place to discuss other threads. It is also frequented by more than one wizard and you will be punching at your own weight. This thread is now group therapy and important for its participants. Some more than others but, the feelings generated are VALID ones and need to be honored. This is not a thread for testing people's humor. Nuff said?

Nail on the head, modwiz...again!

modwiz

1st June 2017, 08:41

Nail on the head, modwiz...again!

The Shire is a special place and has a few watching over it. :wiz: Even those who only frequent the Green Dragon.

Dreamtimer

1st June 2017, 12:48

Good video, TargeT. I like your editing and it's nice and concise.

Dreamtimer

1st June 2017, 13:20

your pretty polarized bro

I didn't know I had chosen a side, I know corey from his postings 2011-2014 (or so) across various forums. There's no koolaid involved, I was at PA conversing with him and watching him build up to his "whistle blower" decision, we knocked heads several times over technical issues (I've been in some sort of IT related field for 18 years now, he claims to also work IT; I've worked for the military all of those 18 years, he claims to have worked for the military also). I'm just sharing my perspective on a situation; there's a lot of "camping up" that happens these days, but I'm not sure how useful it is.

So Farrell, Dolan, Greer, Fittz & steel have gotten together and planned something, is that what your insinuating by the "side" use? Is it just easier to polarize everything so you have mental shortcuts?I dunno who Farrell is, I don't read anything from Greer (never did) Same with Dolan (not interested in what he has to "offer") Don't know who Fittz is and Steel gets way too much MSM air time for me to ever trust. So that's not a very impressive list to me, should I be impressed?

I don't think I am trash talking "the opposition" (how exactly are "they" (and who is "they" or is it just corey?) opposing anything?); this is an individual that I have had a lot of communication with over the past 6 years; I'm sharing my experience based knowledge and conclusions drawn from that.

I actually don't consume any "UFO" or SSP material, (I've heard "dolan" enough lately to know he's related to SSP somehow, the rest aside from greer and steel I have no clue who they are) I think it's mostly a waste of time and have never seen any evidence to prove otherwise. (not to say there isn't something there, just: we don't have it). Same with channeling, I have a hard time allowing myself to take that seriously.

I've heard that name too, is he a UFO guy also? From my perspective a lot of people are seeing the obvious, and sure, there's probably quite a few cases of the pot calling the kettle black... but I'm not overly concerned about that... I can't stand manipulators.

I'm kinda surprised you've been posting so long at Avalon and don't know who these folks are. But it is a big place over there.

Catherine Austin Fitts, former HUD director under the Clintons. Found some trouble with the books, missing money, the govt. tried to railroad/frame her, she fought back and won. She runs the Solari Report (https://solari.com/blog/).

Farrell and Dolan actually research their stuff with citations and everything. Dolan's original purpose was to debunk the SSP. He thought it was hooey. He found he was wrong. Neither have been impressed or on board with the whistleblower stories, particularly the blue avian theme. They like actual evidence.

TargeT

1st June 2017, 14:08

Good video, TargeT. I like your editing and it's nice and concise.

I'm pretty cognizant of the human attention span, I have 6 kids & I used them as test subjects for my animal rescue videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnhx5M8REBtBYMl1bfzO5Mg) (learned a lot about attention spans etc).

I'm kinda surprised you've been posting so long at Avalon and don't know who these folks are. But it is a big place over there.

My bullshit detector is on a very light trigger, I don't read much (ok, basically none) "UFO" related things as it seems to be, by far, the highest density of mis/dis-information and outright fraud of any esoteric topic.

Obviously that's a bit limiting when conversations like this come up, but I think over all it has made my time in this arena more efficient.

Dreamtimer

1st June 2017, 14:44

Fitts doesn't have anything to do with UFOs. I thought you'd zero in on the uncovering government fraud, beating their rap thing.

Ironically, UFO exploration is, very generally, what led me here. It's part of the "there's something going on here" theme that pervades life. All is not what it seems.

TargeT

1st June 2017, 17:23

Fitts doesn't have anything to do with UFOs. I thought you'd zero in on the uncovering government fraud, beating their rap thing.

now THAT is a very large, and extensively detailed topic.. I'm surprised I didn't run across Mrs Fittz but, it sounds like she covers a niche area of corruption, maybe that's why?

Ironically, UFO exploration is, very generally, what led me here. It's part of the "there's something going on here" theme that pervades life. All is not what it seems.

The mouse trap doesn't close on every mouse ;)

I came "here" because of the blatant contradictions I saw via MSM while I was deployed, which lead me to questioning; well, everything. But that was a scant 12 years ago, with the initial 4 years of very light stuff.. zietgiest & loose change and such.. (both, it turns out, have their own questionable motives).

But the UFO community is still a big trap in my mind; and an easy way to marginalize a lot of people and maybe this corey stuff is mouse trap 2.0....

PurpleLama

1st June 2017, 17:59

I am also a little shocked you aren't aware of Catherine Austin Fitts. She and Joseph Farrell gave excellent presentations at last year's SSP conference (the real one).

donk

1st June 2017, 18:17

Richard Dolan was at the same one creating a lot of this hoopla cuz Corey's there. The conferences these people attend only show a thin sliver of reality, I think it requires some expansion to use attendance to one to make a case for anybody

:back to topic:

Wind

2nd June 2017, 00:10

donk

2nd June 2017, 00:23

Sounds disheartening at a glance. Haven't gotten through it yet, I'll have a comment for you once I do

Seems a bit off topic to me, why don't people start explaining how they're comments are "on topic" as the post them?

modwiz

2nd June 2017, 00:36

Satanist is a catch all phrase with multiple meanings. Some are atheists and quite moral, as far as being honest and/or trustworthy. Pedophilia and sacrifices may be practices of some but, most that you will meet are into none of it. It's the ones we tend to not meet, because of station in life, that are demon possessed. I know xtians in the South that will lie cheat and steal 6.5 days a week and think they are cleansed spending an hour or two in a building/church once a week. So, it is not black or white and as CW says, he leans towards the dark. A shade of grey. More focus n his honesty in public than contriving scenarios might be more fruitful.

I choose service and sharing and lean into the light side of the yin/yang.

:back to topic:

Maggie

2nd June 2017, 01:09

Maggie

2nd June 2017, 01:16

I have been thinking about something. We have real issues with talking across context.

The context of a drama cannot simultaneously be in a context of pure harmony. The two contexts don't meet. People feel frustrated trying to converse or share their perspective because the other just won't grok the meanings.

What CONTEXT crosses all is PRACTICAL. How do we live day to day. I hear Unity in the Community and I smile. I love thinking about how politics is the policy of the city that makes for people being able to carry on life well. people like us have inklings about what makes a city a thriving one. I feel we could unite over story lines on some of the very phrases that CG and his "kids" are invoking.

The weird part is that the unity is still about a religion.
I feel frustrated in my context of seeing that pople cannot yet self organize in practical way and the religious doctrines are so HEAVY to take on. I love thinking about ideas like say UBUNTU...where we contribute and the people have a place to live humanely. I do not disagree with a context where each contributes according to his ability and each receives according to his need. This takes people who GROK what unity in diversity may become. But you cannot convince people but can lead them.

The religions are leading to more fracturing.
OK, so let people practice their religions and make an environmenty for us that heals.
WE need practical applications...ways that get the job done to have no need of the "controllers.

I want to embrace the ideal of unity of the community on a mundane helpful platform. That would be health out of our reconnection to source, freedom to live and let live: do what one loves and still have livlihood, take care FOR one another and have ease and beauty of lifestyle as we choose.

People do try to convince one another to join their RELIGIOUS community. CG/DW is based on religion. BR is based on religion.

AGAIN, there MUST become a way that we have a daily life that supports the whole by supporting each one. It must be nuts and bolts like permaculture is nuts and bolts....

The new age ideal for me is that religion becomes a holy-ly PRIVATE matter and community is all about creating that GARDEN for us to live in.

I think of someone like Nick Drake as one of MY children. I would have been so happy to contribute to an environement that he would like to stay living in much longer than he did stay on earth. That ideal of creating a wonderful garden for all of us on and on is what people are hungry to experience. In many many case the dream is covered up by fear it cannot be possible and the fear seeks supplication to be made into one's RELIGION.

I miss the reality where I know all my dreams are real and INSTANTLY there they are.
In the mean time in time, I wish we each just were enjoying living.

I love the frequency in this music...
Not everyone will but we can each have an ipod.

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Maggie

2nd June 2017, 02:12

People not onto CG might seek the same assurance as some find with a different "religion"

I think some have made CT a religious figure like they do with CG. The CT material is more helpful to me than those of the Blue Avian lore. It is a "thought Form" complex just like the SSP. It comes through the imagination and without disputing imagination, we have to be the masters of our thoughts IMO.

The issue I see with visitors to this body of work by and based on Chris Thomas is that no one can clear the thoughtforms that choke the mind except that personal awareness we call "me". All the books of lore won't suffice to make us integrated beings. What is what is focused on the story libne AND seems to necessitate adhering to a "religious leader" and all the doctrine?

We are divided by the narratives when maybe there IS a valuable nugget to use?

The way I have synthesized my research for me is that there is definitely a no holds barred freedom of choice and variety where we are here on the earth.

It makes perfect sense that the Earth is living, that everything is living. To ME the concepts of Velon and etc are ALL about thought forms that man has created. They DO infect us because they are our own. The give away is IMo about detaching from our thought forms. They cannot exist without a host to act them out.

I can whle hearted agree that CT's method for the unburdening of our energy field of experience is true. It is a bout puge and purge is in all tradition. The ability to release one's fascination with a thoughtform is a technology. It's a cleaning position and needing constant efforts.

The use of the hygeine is ancient and backed by success by long ago esoteric Christians who could read the etheric realms and all the records. If you can see in this realm, you will SEE the thoughtforms before they build the material expression. The realm of thought we interact in is what WE each create. There are so many possible states on the thread but we are choosing our own. The realm of thought IS and we access it. The part of whole realm met is all about YOU. IMO there is a cleaning that we forgot that just clears the debris of creativity. Clean up for the next new day. But never fear, there is REALLY nothing bad except we have faith in its demonic element.

Because EVERYTHING is much greater any "single" enegrgetic we hold as a single awareness, it is AMAZING. One just senses awe at this magnificence.
Consciousness is so vast, about this tiny "I", about whole species and lawful expansion as they all interplay.. I think we are remembering the holy technologies. To me these technologies let us feel our part and feel what else is all around and alive with us.

The technologists of mystery I know knew about energy were named Essenes. I am not sure but maybe they "prepared" a kind of civilization where Christ consciousness and the relationship with One's "Christ consciousness" means there is no need for "a matrix" (artificial creation). The Piscean age is now moving along to its completion and I think it may be the divine 'will" that integration make us sovereign beings on a divine earth This is so much more than each of us that it is unfathomable but is GOOD.

This is my feeling, that CT accesses the impulse of a known tradition. It's MYTHIC. The remembering that people do with the material makes people so enthusiastic. That excitement is not the actual work. That opart is excellently valuable iMO,. IMO the give away is Reconnection to the REAL by way of removing thought forms we crowd into our field. The thought forms all seem so real and yet they are fig newtons of the imagination.

We can change the landscape but forgot all about it. We can access the lighter and finer frequencies or go deep into matter but and never be concerned or averse towards dark frequencies when we have our Bubble of integration. Yes, IMO integration is just natural when cleaned all up.

As A wit said "Thoughts are things. Choose the good ones. The good ones are much much more happy and in health. We can start the day with choosing to align with the faerie and our own beauty and fill up our bubble with frequencies of good will. This does manifest as integration when we feel the loosened habits of mind and imagine the good. The mind just does its manifesting and we must direct from that awareness that is us and much bigger.

That is "who" gives away thoughtforms and forgives and is released to create beyond the Implanted (even though we implanted it ourselves sometime along the way). Best wishes. I am off to practice, too.

Dreamtimer

2nd June 2017, 12:59

modwiz

2nd June 2017, 13:05

I'm personally disappointed to hear CW say that. Is he for real, or just playing the part?

For me, the label Satanist is nothing to be taken lightly. I'm just as cautious around a Satanist as I would be around a love-and-light-er trying to introduce me to a guru. No thanks on both counts. Satanism is a slope that's just as slippery.

It was an initial surprise, of sorts. He is a lawyer representing a system that is very dark in its roots. Black's Law is more a grimoire than anything and, what's in a name?:eyebrows:

I've made the personal adjustments required in myself.

Dreamtimer

2nd June 2017, 13:09

Black's Law. The world is replete with irony. I worked in a law firm. That's where I learned that truth is whoever wins.

Gemma

2nd June 2017, 14:03

but I'm finding out that a lot of people miss that point,

Phil, I think I am hearing you, (correct me if I’m wrong): Don’t plant the seed and it won’t grow. Ferret out those planting the seeds and hold them accountable with the view to enabling caution and/or cessation when another seed looks to be planted.

It is a logical and noble strategy, (and in a “perfectly transparent world” we wouldn’t be having this conversation). I would therefore argue that it is an arduous complex journey because we live in a world where psychosis prescribes and governs our “practical” value systems and because of this we are all ensconced, and made vulnerable, to debilitating limitation.

Whilst we are also individually handicapped as far as having failsafe “truth barometers” as part of our physiology we are forced to rely on determining genuineness via behaviors, which can only be measured over time. So promotion of seeds that are doomed to fail/disappoint is sadly a common occurrence - in any field; whether it is “whistleblowers” in media, creative ventures, community programs, etc, etc. But in “any field” failure doesn’t necessarily stop “the project/objective” when alternatives are always available to try again with.

https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10917-BR-s-disclosure-on-CG?p=841968302&viewfull=1#post841968302
And yes, the project was the ultimate to learn better discernment...until it irritated that generally it wasn't any different than the "mainstream", it just had more people that drew their line further into the fringe. I think now we are experiencing a mainstream moving of the line moving out, concurrent with a flooding of our awareness with "information"

Ultimately it required a species wide emotional maturity growth, and why I stick with this story is because if we can't find workable to this solution with a self proclaimed "awake and aware" crowd that's proven to be a step ahead on the mainstream in th game (so below)...how we can hope to expose the "as above" leaders...let alone their disinfo agents and ultimately their controllers??

I like to think it's possible and that we're chipping away. "You may say that I'm dreamer", but I guess I feel like I got nothing better to do...at least at the moment I type this anyway. In reality, I'd be embarrassed that anyone outside these forums would find me spending any time thusly.

With regard to using public platforms for communication we are still in the early phases of technology being an enabler for uncensored and genuine information to be shared; but that doesn’t stop those genuinely trying to reach the public from using censored platforms when they still dominate, (whilst our media outlets are slowly renovated and gain momentum over time via technology); journalists still persistently engage mainsteam media outlets for coverage even when they know they are shaking a fist at a god, so to speak, and barely a fraction of what they need to share is filtered through.

So irrespective of what Ryan, Mainstream, GAIA, etc personal interest motivations may, or may not be, for sustaining a media platform, or how they conduct their promotional material, they still serve a purpose nonetheless within our transforming media culture, until, imo, we can resolve and transform our culture into genuine transparency, which will then, by default, isolate self-serving platforms: i.e. a complete reversal of what we now have. Ideological, for sure, but one I am not willing to give up hope on with the advent of the internet – and may well be the common thread I sense with your issue.

https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10917-BR-s-disclosure-on-CG?p=841968290&viewfull=1#post841968290
To clarify the above...omni's "I knew it was deception from the gate" stuff is what triggered me.
If that's the case, then the webmaster in charge needed to be called on his crap how he made us pretend to not know the dude's name for so long, how he made it this super secret exclusive. And so far in my wanderings through the thread, none of the faithful there want to point the glaring omissions of the recounting of how that whole situation evolved
… well, at least to the people who pay attention to Bill and/or the characters he has a hand in "bringing to prominence"
……
Forums give a direct line to the individuals supposedly involved first hand in these anamolous experiences that people come to them for, but it only works when the webMASTERS of a given "community" is more concerned with sharing ideas (and being openly honest) than they are their image.

This is exactly why this issue of yours is, to me, so very complex when realistically going back to find an “inception point” is, well, not so black and white, for regardless of anyone’s intentions, Ryan wasn’t the only hand involved – if Corey genuinely did not want to be in the limelight as a “whistleblower” he could have gone silent until all was forgotten, but he was more than happy to pursue his venture as a whistleblower with other media outlets. When the bull is out the gate, working on future preventative measures is critical for sure, but so are attempts to halt the bull in its tracks before carnage is racked up. Do you believe that if Ryan had not sensationalized Corey’s outing as a whistleblower that Corey would not have got to where he is now? (Considering the hands involved were more than one (publically or backstage, known or unknown); which also includes the public that were interested in what he had to say at the time).

Should consideration also be given to those that appear to have genuine faith in Ryan, but were not “duped” at the onset by following along because of Ryan’s initial proclamation? Does this not account for something in this scenario re individual choice that empowers over and above social relationships and “images” one defines another with?

And as one of the reasons people flip to the alternative is because they have learnt to no longer trust mainstream why should this stop them from questioning everything. Why would it automatically be any different in the alternative when it is our insanely indoctrinated society at large that is the inception point for encouraging manipulation and self-serving agendas? The alternative, to me now, is not a guarantee of honesty and transparency, but a place to discuss items not on mainstreams menu.

https://jandeane81.com/showthread.php/10917-BR-s-disclosure-on-CG?p=841970841&viewfull=1#post841970841
In his characterization of CG, his narrative goes: Corey was just a poster, happened to get interviewed, and after that is what's worth noting. I personally thought it was blatantly obvious (to anyone on the forums back then, or anyone who considered a themselves a "serious researcher" and went back to look) the import of what he glosses over (ie the hype he created over his super-secret whistleblower)...but I was wrong about that, it's not really as obvious as i thought...and again, I guess I could be wrong, but I feel it is as or actually MORE important than the aftermath

And I know that the handful here that participate on these types of threads (that I've been making ad nauseum since that time) have actually heard me say it a million times...but I'm finding out that a lot of people miss that point, and folks that weren't immersed as some of us were couldn't have possibility gotten it, so I'm laying it out again for posterity.

I apologize for the broad stroke analysis but I can’t see this issue without looking broadly, as to me it is complex. So my questions for understanding what you are sharing are:

. If Corey had not evolved into GAIA’s poster boy would you feel the same passion re his first public oral speaking at PA being touted as a whistleblower testimony?
. If a group of people were to say “Yeah, Ryan f*#ked up in 2014 by promoting Goode’s interview as a whistleblower”, what do you hope would be achieved from this for yourself and the public?
. What is your motivational end goal for getting people to see your point?
. How would you describe practically what your end goal would look like.

Maggie

2nd June 2017, 14:41

modwiz

2nd June 2017, 15:12

What do people think about BR suddenly endorsing channeling to "assist people to make up their minds as to what is really going on here."

The Corey Story – Questions for Cosmic Awareness

1. Are people such as Bill Ryan and Daniel Liszt deceivers with a hidden agenda against Corey Goode and those associated with him?

2. Is Corey Goode and those associated with him presenting the truth?

3. Are the Blue Avians and the Sphere Being Alliance real?

4. Who is behind Corey Goode and those associated with him?

5. Is AI and mind control involved?

6. Why have people like Michael Salla and Jordan Sather been brought into supporting Corey Goode?

7. What do people such as Bill Ryan and Daniel Liszt seek to gain by outing Corey Goode and those associated with him?

8. Who is behind Bill Ryan and Daniel Liszt?

9. Which side is right?

10. Who do I trust?

11. What is the right response to the controversy that is brewing regarding the Corey Goode camp versus the Bill Ryan/Daniel Liszt camp?

12. What is the bigger picture here? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1156999&viewfull=1#post1156999)

What do I think? The message in the channeling was pleasing to BR. Just as my video willing to give BR a chance to present a new image passed the two year ban of my videos there. Owls have returned intel that it's biz as usual there. The DJ vids were good for new members.

I am happy for the focus on dialogue in the community. We have just begun the quickening/cleansing process and it is too early for me to see where certain ones are heading. There are still many choice points that have not been reached yet. Even then, my focus will be on events and ideas that work for us and the people who are involved in that.

TargeT

2nd June 2017, 15:33

Phil = TargeT, right?

. If Corey had not evolved into GAIA’s poster boy would you feel the same passion re his first public oral speaking at PA being touted as a whistleblower testimony?

Yes, that's why he was essentially chased off PA back in 2014.

. If a group of people were to say “Yeah, Ryan f*#ked up in 2014 by promoting Goode’s interview as a whistleblower”, what do you hope would be achieved from this for yourself and the public?

IMO: bill needs to own up to the multiple times he "F*#cked up"; especially when he starts grading himself as the most trustworthy source etc... there was some disingenuous statements that should be cleared up.. the goal of this would be to show that there are NO infalable personalities out there, EVERYTHING must be questioned.

. What is your motivational end goal for getting people to see your point?

Getting people to uphold integrity over all else.

. How would you describe practically what your end goal would look like.

No one "reads headlines" and moves on anymore, people check resources and reference, people do personal research...

That's why I got involved in this whole corey business, and frankly I'm the last person that should be involved, I don't know many of hte "names" being bandied about in this community.

But, those with knowledge, also have obligations, in my mind.

What do people think about BR suddenly endorsing channeling to "assist people to make up their minds as to what is really going on here."

While I know there is probably some truths in channeled material, I toss the baby out with the bathwater on that one... other than "warm fuzzies" I've never gotten much useful from channeled material that weren't similar to conclusions that I had figured out on my own already.

I think bill isn't handling this well, the conversation should really be beyond the personalities at this point.

I am happy for the focus on dialogue in the community. We have just begun the quickening/cleansing process and it is too early for me to see where certain ones are heading. There are still many choice points that have not been reached yet. Even then, my focus will be on events and ideas that work for us and the people who are involved in that.

Found a great clip from Corbet that has some VERY good sound bites in it re: Modwiz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gRXHqiJ1Oc&t=4s

And of course... its DJ time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pQe9Q_W1p0

Elen

2nd June 2017, 16:22

I'm personally disappointed to hear CW say that. Is he for real, or just playing the part?

For me, the label Satanist is nothing to be taken lightly. I'm just as cautious around a Satanist as I would be around a love-and-light-er trying to introduce me to a guru. No thanks on both counts. Satanism is a slope that's just as slippery.

Yes Dreamtimer, I feel this is out of bounds too. What does he think will be accomplished with his statements? Who wants to go to the "Dark Side"?

TargeT

2nd June 2017, 16:39

Yes Dreamtimer, I feel this is out of bounds too. What does he think will be accomplished with his statements? Who wants to go to the "Dark Side"?

He said it because he was upset that DJ was "knocking on satanists"; so I think he felt he had to defend; he also posted a on DJ's video's to the same effect.

Elen

2nd June 2017, 16:45

He said it because he was upset that DJ was "knocking on satanists"; so I think he felt he had to defend; he also posted a on DJ's video's to the same effect.

Personally, I would not assume that I KNOW what he meant...he's a lawyer and he knows what he says...;)

Dreamtimer

2nd June 2017, 20:37

I almost feel like he said that to prove he's not a snowflake or fluffy New Age type which seems to be the 'anathema' du jour.

Dreamtimer

2nd June 2017, 20:54

So far I like this New Age Deep State series.

TargeT

2nd June 2017, 22:54

Personally, I would not assume that I KNOW what he meant...he's a lawyer and he knows what he says...;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD6u5rhh0e4

Well, he explains it there, hard to disagree with him.. I do think there's a sensationalism problem with the ENTIRETY of the esoteric communities.

Gio

2nd June 2017, 23:56

I'm with CW ...

And so is the family ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLPggNHgBZA

Gio

3rd June 2017, 00:24

OK this is a bit much for me - Set off the alarms ... https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQAp-m7y01eiS66Izedl0Umg5yi9PbsYlN3rSBdSQU2nxslENlOnw

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1156999&viewfull=1#post1156999

Perhaps if - Callista and (her mate) Will just straight out gave there opinionated/feelings - It would of been more palatable to ingest and listen to ... Instead of this this new age dog and pony ride spill - I guess BR is (really) OK with channeled material if it favors his views and objectives ...

:fpalm:

PS ~ the bigger picture here obviously is promoting Wll's web page.

donk

3rd June 2017, 05:20

OK this is a bit much for me - Set off the alarms ... https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQAp-m7y01eiS66Izedl0Umg5yi9PbsYlN3rSBdSQU2nxslENlOnw

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1156999&viewfull=1#post1156999

...

I guess BR is (really) OK with channeled material

Why not? It's a nice message, excuse (enable) the messenger....take what you need and leave the rest, right??

...Callista is kinda scary...scarier to me than cw talking about satanism

modwiz

3rd June 2017, 11:09

Why not? It's a nice message, excuse (enable) the messenger....take what you need and leave the rest, right??

...Callista is kinda scary...scarier to me than cw talking about satanism

Agreed. CW knows who he is and represents it honestly. No games or tricks, make your choices about him based on that. I'll stay with what good I can say, so it will have to stay on CW.

Gio

3rd June 2017, 11:26

Both sides are becoming too divisive and cultish for me.

(That being BR's disclosure on CG)

Paloma

3rd June 2017, 13:08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD6u5rhh0e4

Well, he explains it there, hard to disagree with him.. I do think there's a sensationalism problem with the ENTIRETY of the esoteric communities.

New here, and didnt know who CW was. Finally found this video. Had some thoughts about it. Sure, the guy has a point, if seen from his subjective position.
But people out there are at different places, and not only because of their different priorities as seekers for meaning, but also because of cultural programming, and age and maturity.

This means that when diving into the larger world a certain amount of sensitivity is required, due to those varying levels of psychological vulnerabilities. I can't stand PC when it is overdone, but wouldn't want to do away with it completely, either.

And since most physical illness is in my view psychosomatic, any insensitive barging into people's minds, with the excuse that any opposition is prejudice, can do massive damage to a person.

Yet if we follow CW's reasoning- just because he has probably never experienced a psychic attack himself, and gives the powers of dark forces no credence, does this mean that others who have thinner skin than him should not be given any protection? Because when one has studied the occult, and understands that the interconnectedness of all life via telepathic highways leaves some people wide open to being mind-raped by thought predators.

So my conclusion is this: the alt community has two currents of people who tend to clash: those who focus merely on strengthening the self, and those who wish to see the society as a whole functioning at a healthier level than we are seeing today. Meanwhile at the extreme end MSM wants total top down control of uniform members of society, which is why most of us in the alt community have become dissidents, wishing to preserve the rights of individuals to express.

There are few who can maintain the ideal balance, to focus on both- self and other. Or to be more precise, a) self, b) immediate friends and family, and c) the rest of humanity, ie strangers.
Just as maintaining a balance in a given 24 hour day is required, between a) sleep, b) work and c) play.

Elen

3rd June 2017, 13:25

Well, he explains it there, hard to disagree with him.. I do think there's a sensationalism problem with the ENTIRETY of the esoteric communities.

Yes, I agree with your explanation there TargeT...it's just that he's using a lot of words where a few would have sufficed. There's a time for laughter and a time for being serious. But in all fairness, I'm not on anybody's side here. I wish everybody all the best in any case. :thup:

Maggie

3rd June 2017, 15:33

Yes, I agree with your explanation there TargeT...it's just that he's using a lot of words where a few would have sufficed. There's a time for laughter and a time for being serious. But in all fairness, I'm not on anybody's side here. I wish everybody all the best in any case. :thup:

I am not on anybody's side here but he like others makes me feel a little nauseated (literally). I have tried to say he is a gad fly but NOT for me. I don't touch avowed satanists with any pole at all if that is what they say they are. I took heed when I heard that when people say what they are about, they really do mean it.

The inverse of Christianity is like the the lowest creation of religion I can imagine. It is just the epitome of loving on the UGLY IMO. Just like the other "olde religions", the modern version took the "focus of worshhip" and reinvented THEIR "church". The deep investigation of what was stolen and twisted into the new erroneous versions needs to be understood, sure. But modern Satanism is NOT IMO what the ancients understanding revealed anymore than the "Christian" church is about Christ Consciousness.

I did note that when he first arrived, he was playing in to some drama that had been stirring a pot. He stirred it some more with all his many many words so that listening to him is exhausting. He has a little smug smile and I wonder if he really would enjoy BIGGER discord to "moderate" (is he moderate?)I do believe he is enjoying the stew of all this alternative "Bro-Ha" and having his little chat rooms where he sorta rules?

Elen

3rd June 2017, 17:33

donk

3rd June 2017, 17:45

This may be off topic, but that C.W. Chanter dude says he's a satanist (https://youtu.be/wqd4Rm5mGUE?t=10043) too and is working for the "dark side"? Any comments about that, Phil? I remember when I used to listen to few of his long ass ramblings and for a moment thought that he had some common sense, but I now I know better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

So I'm about two hours into the Chanter/Shane thing, and I know it isn't the "moneys shot" gotcha moment a bunch of people he want to use against him...I guess I'll comment further when I get to it, but I had to stop...and it is because he talking about "sides". How DJ is accusing people of "satanist agendas", how lines are being drawn even though it seems a lot of people are saying the same thing.

And it made me think of this of comment. Because I'm friends with CW...somehow my insight on his insight means what? Why are you asking?

I can give you my opinion of Ben, even my opinion of his opinion of what "the dark side means"...and it may or not be exactly like mine, which to me is that DARK = intentionally harming another, for no other reason than getting "energy" from harming another. I personally think deception of any kind MAY fall into this, but since we all seem to have been deceived in believing some deception, "privacy", and secrets are "good" and/or necessary it doesn't fall easily into black and white. I'll listen to the rest and contrast what I interpret CW's words on this video's description of it, and will draw on my history of interacting with him directly as well the fact I've watched most of his stuff...so I can shed light.

Can you return the favor and answer me a question: what am I supposed to interpret from your tone, and especially the video? Can I imply I have to answer for anyone I associate with? Are you implying that's the sort of thing I was doing here with Bill?

Cuz if you're going to take one gotcha moment to decide not to associate with a character in this scene, maybe I should use your tactic and pull the pm Bill sent me implying me posting the LRon's OT3 triggered my Multiple Sclerosis symptoms....which I am pretty sure you already knew.....and Wind, I thought you used to have common sense, but now I know better. Very little "sense" is "common"

Personally VERY little of what CW (or Shane) talks about I think about is important...I wouldn't recommend ANYONE to listen to that particular, he even points out "he's doing the same thing" critisizing a dude with a fantastical story with another dude with a fantastical story...and I love them both, I can kinda feel where they're coming from, but it's the same unimportant crap everyone's rehashing and going in circles over.

It may not seem like it, but I been trying to break what I see as the loops that keep us going around and around (and buried in that video both of my friends mention that at some point...but the style of the video is NOT for everyone, so I'm not"recommending" it, I think there's way more noise that info so far). Trying to make points that get lost in that same noise, that often I myself make. It ain't easy digging deeper than the surface that everyone wants to look at, and which everyone already seems to know everything about.

On some level, CW is using the CG story's attention to feed his ego...he will (has) openly admitted that and personally I feel that most people would think that leans more "dark" than "light"....except I think light is truth and his admitting he likes attention and will use anything (like Shane) to get more isn't all that dark. On another level, he likes Shane, but thinks he lying to him...so I like to think he's also using the conversation to work out the darkness in himself...that's the feeling I get from talking to him. But I know he thinks people NEED a religion and he himself felt a NEED to create one...and one of the biggest underlying issues in this whole thing is my belief that our ideas about belief and religion is the biggest problem in our CULTure, and on the things I find most important...me and him disagree on MOST of it...

Either way, this exchange reminds me of when Corey came to me with his 'data bomb' dossier with that "enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality, it just don't work that easily in this arena.

This also demonstrates Corey's stories aren't the REAL problem, it's the attention they are getting that is. That's what keeps getting lost. How did YOU hear about Corey Goode??? What made YOU think his "intel" had ANY importance??

modwiz

3rd June 2017, 17:51

The only actual description of a real satan is found in the Book of Job. In it we see jehovah and satan as a tag team. So much of the discussions or mentions of satan are based on conflation and confusion which leads to fear and loathing/hate. Both states of mind are useless when understanding something and the proper "defense" to enact. We are much more powerful if we could only remember who we are.

This will be my last comment on this topic because futility is not something to indulge in and will let my attempts too bring comprehension to cosmic dynamics end here. I sense to pursue it further will trigger some and perhaps some may come to think I embrace darkness.:ttr:

donk

3rd June 2017, 19:38

No one has talked amongst ourselves about two things

1. CG is always being talked about in the context of being a family man. I hear people send wishes to his children and invoking of protection of the family.

2. People say over and over that he exudes trustworthiness? They look and see he seems so convinced his story is real that he looks like he telling the truth?

Any comments on these avenues?

1. We're all family men. We put ourselves out here on the internet, we also become "public figures" of a sort. And we "put our family at risk"...of at least having our presence reflect on them--you'd think it be a boost to one's integrity.
2. I think this is an interesting point. I've gotten the opposite, a revulsion to him from his earliest postings that only grew as exposed himself more....though I can say I got the "good" feelings about Shane (and Bill, when I first "met" him) This is an energetic dynamic I am really interested in discussing

What CONTEXT crosses all is PRACTICAL.

Amen to that sister...I try to keep the focus steered toward that, it's how I try to bring this thread toward what I consider "on topic". Another interesting energetic dynamic is how difficult that is in this realm.

The weird part is that the unity is still about a religion.

I think the weird thing, and this is where me and CW but heads, is that I see the similarities to "religion" in EVERY human relationship, especially groups and organizations. I think we are in denial of how we organize on heirarchical, unequitable, and I'd say abusive ways, which we are taught is "normal". I think "accepted authoritative science", global (or any...micro or macro) economics, even our history are "religions" in a lot of ways.

I think religion is a created structure built around "spiritual beliefs". I believe "spiritual beliefs" to be a human's understanding of reality. If we can't see the similarities (especially problematic ones) in the structures we create, we can't hope to have anything "better" going forward. I think you are on the same wavelength on your 405 post, and I really like this:

We can change the landscape but forgot all about it.

It doesn't just apply to "religious" or "spiritual" ideas...but applies to all aspects of life, from the science and history we believe in to the economics and politics we have let our run our lives.

The crazy extremists aren't ever a problem until they make a splash....and when they do, lots of people use the energy for their own agendas, lots of people just lose their heads in the loosh storm (and to start projecting their problems or bitching about anything tangential....it makes it tough to see the root, the core of the problems.

donk

3rd June 2017, 20:24

Phil, I think I am hearing you, (correct me if I’m wrong): Don’t plant the seed and it won’t grow. Ferret out those planting the seeds and hold them accountable with the view to enabling caution and/or cessation when another seed looks to be planted.

It is a logical and noble strategy, (and in a “perfectly transparent world” we wouldn’t be having this conversation). I would therefore argue that it is an arduous complex journey because we live in a world where psychosis prescribes and governs our “practical” value systems and because of this we are all ensconced, and made vulnerable, to debilitating limitation.

Whilst we are also individually handicapped as far as having failsafe “truth barometers” as part of our physiology we are forced to rely on determining genuineness via behaviors, which can only be measured over time. So promotion of seeds that are doomed to fail/disappoint is sadly a common occurrence - in any field; whether it is “whistleblowers” in media, creative ventures, community programs, etc, etc. But in “any field” failure doesn’t necessarily stop “the project/objective” when alternatives are always available to try again with.

Wow, good stuff, exactly what I'm doing/saying in a really great way...thanks!

With regard to using public platforms for communication we are still in the early phases of technology being an enabler for uncensored and genuine information to be shared; but that doesn’t stop those genuinely trying to reach the public from using censored platforms when they still dominate, (whilst our media outlets are slowly renovated and gain momentum over time via technology); journalists still persistently engage mainsteam media outlets for coverage even when they know they are shaking a fist at a god, so to speak, and barely a fraction of what they need to share is filtered through.

So irrespective of what Ryan, Mainstream, GAIA, etc personal interest motivations may, or may not be, for sustaining a media platform, or how they conduct their promotional material, they still serve a purpose nonetheless within our transforming media culture, until, imo, we can resolve and transform our culture into genuine transparency, which will then, by default, isolate self-serving platforms: i.e. a complete reversal of what we now have. Ideological, for sure, but one I am not willing to give up hope on with the advent of the internet – and may well be the common thread I sense with your issue.

Ya...my issue is that it seems like it should be so goddam easy to expose and defuse the self serving aspects of AT LEAST our little neck of the woods here. To that note, specifically with PA and the offshoots...which has evolved into getting absorbed into the "less tight" youtube world...I feel like there were "cult elements" that should be easily detected, especially since there's reams information THERE to glean, the problem is getting people to apply to themselves (and their leaders/organizations)....and on that level it doesn't even make sense not to take things to the personal level. Individual integrity is the only real "capital" of truth.

This is exactly why this issue of yours is, to me, so very complex when realistically going back to find an “inception point” is, well, not so black and white, for regardless of anyone’s intentions, Ryan wasn’t the only hand involved – if Corey genuinely did not want to be in the limelight as a “whistleblower” he could have gone silent until all was forgotten, but he was more than happy to pursue his venture as a whistleblower with other media outlets. When the bull is out the gate, working on future preventative measures is critical for sure, but so are attempts to halt the bull in its tracks before carnage is racked up. Do you believe that if Ryan had not sensationalized Corey’s outing as a whistleblower that Corey would not have got to where he is now? (Considering the hands involved were more than one (publically or backstage, known or unknown); which also includes the public that were interested in what he had to say at the time).

I don't fault Bill for doing what he is doing--trying to corral the bull HE let loose, I've said that repeatedly...I continue to hammer away because he is changing the narrative. Understanding how the bull got where it is, FROM THE GATE, is important. And so I continue to hammer the point: more important than "loose bulls" is the peeps at the gate, riling them (and the crowd) up...and letting them loose.

Should consideration also be given to those that appear to have genuine faith in Ryan, but were not “duped” at the onset by following along because of Ryan’s initial proclamation? Does this not account for something in this scenario re individual choice that empowers over and above social relationships and “images” one defines another with?

Absolutely, and that's who I'm doing this for...I tried "changing" Bill Ryan when I was there and could speak directly to him. I befriended Christine when I could not understand what their interactions meant and his characterizations were not making sense, so I got another perspective that reconciled a lot of cognitive dissonances I'd have to hold to be able to believe he was being selfless and responsible. I gathered "evidence" directly from individuals involved, and try to use only "puzzle pieces" that are out there for everyone to see ("true evidence"). I don't think my postings help the BR's of the world, I make them for individuals on the outside to have more of a perspective to help define their relationships/images/perceptions/etc

And as one of the reasons people flip to the alternative is because they have learnt to no longer trust mainstream why should this stop them from questioning everything. Why would it automatically be any different in the alternative when it is our insanely indoctrinated society at large that is the inception point for encouraging manipulation and self-serving agendas? The alternative, to me now, is not a guarantee of honesty and transparency, but a place to discuss items not on mainstreams menu.

I apologize for the broad stroke analysis but I can’t see this issue without looking broadly, as to me it is complex. So my questions for understanding what you are sharing are:

. If Corey had not evolved into GAIA’s poster boy would you feel the same passion re his first public oral speaking at PA being touted as a whistleblower testimony?

I don't know who you're asking here...but I personally wonder: why did BILL originally first have that passion, BEYOND what many would accuse him of drumming up hype for his Project. And I learned through this exercise is that he's seriously excited with anyone who can give any credibility to insight on the "secret space program" this community believes exists. To directly answer your question...this whole thing is big BECAUSE of GAIA and Contact in the Desert...he wouldn't more than a Simon Parkes or Inelia Benz if not...the level of attention he is getting IS the issue

. If a group of people were to say “Yeah, Ryan f*#ked up in 2014 by promoting Goode’s interview as a whistleblower”, what do you hope would be achieved from this for yourself and the public?

I just want people to know that Bill created Corey (if that's the case, which what I experienced showed me...but who am I?? That could me crazy Blue Avian story....except it seems like a lot of people were there with me, I don't like to be solopsitic and I really don't care if I get credit for it...but I am not gonna sit back and let him change the narrative, when I think it makes "us" look a lot sillier than some blue avians. A dude that has repeated this pattern becoming a leader under such deception defeats a "truth movement", to me anyway.

. What is your motivational end goal for getting people to see your point?

I see a "cult like" mentality, so perhaps it's the "rescuer" inside that feels a responsibility to shed light where I see darkness...expose my mistakes (and experiences) so that others may use them. And ultimately (and I've said repeatedly), this "macrocosm" helps me immensely in dealing with people in real life. I'm a lot less afraid to try different "disclosures" of my truth here with my "virtual" friends than I am in the real world. I find a lot of value in this place and I think my line thinking is more productive than what I see as the loops a lot of us (I used to be, and am sure on some levels still am) get stuck in. I get a lot of "knowing myself" out of all of this

. How would you describe practically what your end goal would look like.

Well, step one would be our "leaders" not thinking they can get away with deception, so they stop trying to use it. Step two would be a communal realizing we don't leaders. Is that even "practical" for Space Ghost on TOT??

Just kidding...I already feel like I made a few small strides. Some people that didn't realize it told me "oh I had no idea he came from PA". As long as the real story isn't totally twisted by Bill, I'm happy. As long as he doesn't achieve A1 researcher status along side Dolan until he earns it, I'm happy. As long as those peeps in his cult that choose not to look at posts like these or talks like I do have them for if they ever do, I'm happy. I feel a little responsibility having been there...so yeah it's great that the Cult to Corey's personality is being opposed...I just feel there is one to Bill's as well, one that actually gave birth to Corey (and Charles, and Inelia, and Simon, and...)...one that might not be as big but is every bit as delusional

Don't apologize, I absolutely love your post and get the most joy from creating thread when people like you (and so many others have, I am just going through my catchup today and have time) show their "broad stroke"...thank you!

donk

3rd June 2017, 20:35

Both sides are becoming too divisive and cultish for me.

(That being BR's disclosure on CG)

I STILL haven't gotten through the entire video yet to see CW declare his allegiance to the dark side...BUT I did "discern" from the sh!tshow that was his video two things:

#1 I really liked hearing the connections he made in the youtube world, which he is immersed in. A lot of what I do is try to share what i learned immersed in the "forum world". First hand experiences, even from satanists, are interesting to me
#2 I loved he talked about how there aren't really "sides". He wouldn't align with Bill, but sho ain't fo Corey. I sure as f*ck ain't on either dude's "side". It seems like a big issue is that peeps are "taking sides"?

I mean I almost feel like I'd be categorized as "against" the "community"...even though I feel like I'm trying to make it better.

donk

3rd June 2017, 20:44

I am not on anybody's side here but he like others makes me feel a little nauseated (literally). I have tried to say he is a gad fly but NOT for me. I don't touch avowed satanists with any pole at all if that is what they say they are. I took heed when I heard that when people say what they are about, they really do mean it.

The inverse of Christianity is like the the lowest creation of religion I can imagine. It is just the epitome of loving on the UGLY IMO. Just like the other "olde religions", the modern version took the "focus of worshhip" and reinvented THEIR "church". The deep investigation of what was stolen and twisted into the new erroneous versions needs to be understood, sure. But modern Satanism is NOT IMO what the ancients understanding revealed anymore than the "Christian" church is about Christ Consciousness.

I did note that when he first arrived, he was playing in to some drama that had been stirring a pot. He stirred it some more with all his many many words so that listening to him is exhausting. He has a little smug smile and I wonder if he really would enjoy BIGGER discord to "moderate" (is he moderate?)I do believe he is enjoying the stew of all this alternative "Bro-Ha" and having his little chat rooms where he sorta rules?

Alright...trying to defend a friend/offer some info here: His actions aren't from the "left hand" path that he admittedly explored. In fact, the thing I love him most, that I thought made him a valuable injection into the community, is that he is always open and honest when he is being self-serving and attention seeking. If you watch (or directly talk to him, which he invites) to him, he tells you know he is doing it. BOOM--you don't even need to "discern"...if that ain't for you...don't watch him....right???

He straight up will tell you sometimes he loves the drama...he will own any he created. IMO....maybe I'm wrong. I think he's a regular dude that like me spent all his free time immersed in the subjects and people we love to talk about. I think that he created his own religion is worse than being a satanist or of the "dark side". And i think it's hard to tag him on being on any side. That's my (pre-finishing the "gotcha" video) two cents.

Wind

4th June 2017, 02:14

Wind

4th June 2017, 02:37

The only actual description of a real satan is found in the Book of Job. In it we see jehovah and satan as a tag team.

I feel tempted to post this and this information may go over some people's heads, but it's okay.

"In Matthew 12:27, Jesus calls Satan “Beelzebub,” linking the devil to Beelzebub (Baal-Zebub)."

Baal = Belial "(also known as Beliar) is a term occurring in the Hebrew Bible which later became personified as the devil in Jewish and Christian texts."

Belial was an Atlantean ruler...

"The earliest Atlanteans are described by Edgar Cayce as being thought projections and having a physical being in which both sexes, male and female, were present in the same 'body'. Unfortunately, however, corruption from the pure, virginal, ways of the Spirit/God soon cast a heavy cloud upon the earth.

These Atlantean thought-form 'beings' - projecting 'vibrations' of pure white light and energy - gradually began to take on a more material shape and density and began to engage upon acts of sheer self-indulgence. These physically-encased thought-form projections, through the passage of time, began to separate into two groups; those who followed the Laws of One and those that chose to follow the Sons of Belial.

The Law of One still maintained the highest standards of consciousness and were able to continue vibrating at only the very highest level of light and energy; and still remained very close and true to the one Creator/God.

The Sons of Belial, on the other hand, were only interested in the amplification of the ego, self-aggrandizement and carnal pursuits. They tried to introduce the daughters of the Law of One to the pleasures of the flesh (with some considerable success!) and did their best to try and control all the spiritual laws to enhance all their materialistic purposes.

As time passed by, many of the original members of the Law of One fell by the wayside and found it much easier to follow the dictates of the Sons of Belial than remain true to their original standards and ethics!"

Now, what does the modern society primarly focus on and promote?

None the wiser and the wheel just keeps on turning...

Maggie

4th June 2017, 02:47

I think that pretty much sums it up, Phil. People love drama. Why I asked? Maybe I was just interested to hear your take on the matter as you seem to know him and I happened to notice his interesting comment about being a "satanist". To me satanism represents what the elite asshats and Hollywood & music business are doing (with their rituals). Using dark magic against the population and working with dark forces. I don't wish to dwell in that subject as I find it unpleasant. Yet it's part of reality. If C.W. was "joking" about the dark side then good for him, but even then even it wasn't very funny. Did someone laugh? I didn't. Not that I really care, just it seems to me that many people in the alternative community seem to have skeletons in their closet. And when it comes to the shadow, yes, we all have it. That's another thing though.

I do enjoy drama too, just not the human drama in life. I have "enjoyed" way too much it. However, when I choose to indulge myself with it, it's when ever I'm in the mood to watch movies or play video games. You seemed to assume a lot from my snarky message, I wasn't implying anything like that at all.

What matters to me is truth and integrity. Unfortunately the alternative community seems to suffer from the lack of it with the likes of Goode. Yes, there is enabling, promoting, naivety and lack of discernment which gives rise to people like him. People need to have personal accountability and I do see lack of it. Goode is just a symptom and the gullible will gobble up his "information" and in the end will do nothing with it. Just another conman in this arena.

I assume that most of us here care about the truth movement or at least the truth, what ever that may be. Otherwise we wouldn't even be discussing about these things. However, ultimately these farces are just distractions or that's how I see it. There are bigger things at play and it such things are related to every single living soul on this planet. When people start to realize the magnitude of those things, it may already be too late. Sometimes I can't decide if I'm feeling more optimistic or more pessimistic, but seeing how little humans are able to change collectively, the more disappointed I have got. Yet when I look at some people I do have hope.

I am really glad to hear what you said Wind.

There is no doubt in my whole being that it is NEVER too late. Yet, we are each called to step up GRANDLY to meet what feels to me like the new earth aborning. Gee, I am just so full of enthusiasm that the truth is actually doing its thing right now.

If truth is that which is first and last, it must be situated at a very different place than drama. But what I feel excited about is the reveling in drama KNOWING that it is a play. Then we take the direction over ourselves. It is really evident that there has never been in MY lifetime any better moment to step up my game. This is playing on the winning team and (hehe) it is all just one team. Diversity in unity.

This is from Neville Goddard, a teacher. OH, another religion maybe? It does not feel like religion but a metaphilosophy that includes "whatever".

There is no fiction. Fiction is defined as an imaginary construction which is unreal - as opposed to truth, or reality. But what is real and what is imaginary when, in a spiritual sense, all existing things are imaginary?

Mark tells the parable of the fig tree, which - having been cursed - was found withered to its roots. Calling attention to this fact, awakened imagination said: "Have faith in God. Truly I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be taken up and cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart that what he has said will come to pass, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you desire, when you pray believe you have received it and you will." Mark 11.

Here is an imaginary act which has no support in fact. The tree was not withered at the time it was cursed, but when they returned the next day the imaginal act had been executed. So you see: this law is not limited to being constructive only. It can be used for good, bad, or indifferent purposes; for there are no limitations placed on the possibilities of prayer.

Now when you pray you must immerse yourself in the feeling of the wish fulfilled, for the word "pray" means, "Motion towards; accession to; at or in the vicinity of." Point yourself towards the wish fulfilled and accept that invisible state as reality. Then go your way knowing the desire is now yours. You did it and you will not be surprised when it comes to pass. http://realneville.com/txt/there_is_no_fiction.htm

Neville convinced me that sin is only doubt. I used to be quite paranoid but that lifted off. Doubt is IMO being able to be pulled out of alignment with my own creativity. That is how I felt paranoia...worry and fear of something nebulously threatening "coming AT me". I'd try to give it a label. It always appeared to be "validated" from evidence of some kind.

IMO this is a stage of my journey so I can't say anything except NO THING is permanent and I am pretty sure we can all shift so we don't see the evidence created by paranoia.

Speaking form this me, I see evidence that my personal reality tunnel is unperturbed by the drama I enjoy more and more IN MY MUNDANE hours.

Trust, in a meta principle that seems to be able to contain paradox, PROMISES I won't be struck out or killed by anything. However, having free choice and a wayward mind, I could, I could, I COULD. Was it a compulsion or a choice?

Why would I? there could be seemingly valid reasons for making this scene appear.
It makes sense that I might in some other state LIKED Noxious LOSING (argh!) and the thrill of physical pain and bloodshed? Or if I choose to pretend that I know I cannot be ever harmed, I choose balanced health (ALWAYS recover from anything and no chronic pain) have continuous soul restoration and eternal YOUTH.

"Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil!" THOU art with me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of my enemies...My cup over floweth. Surely goodness! And mercy shall follow me all the days of my life. I WILL dwell in the house of the lord forever.

Today someone made me think about Barbados. That is the family home of Neville Goddard whom I turn to now to speak about my uplifted buoyant expectation for good news.

Neville taught that the preceding psalm lines are about me, about you, about CG, BR and all because there is only one. The bible is all about my psychology. To borrow from another NEW THOUGHT author, The Ten Commandments are understood in the wrong tense. These are all the state which a man can have by knowing this is a possible state. Look up the 10 Commandments and contemplate thinking of these attributes as how you might BE>

I have read so much and it had to be sorted by my growing connection to the forever lasting. Seriously that angle has MUCH good humor and less angst.

From the angle of forever lasting, (Girls will be girls) boys will be boys OR switch and all this ruckous about gender is funny.
from an angle of evervescent silliness, we are like larvae. It sounds really gross. IMO it means we are actually housed in a sweet little casing.
It has boundaries.
We have such dreams and reveries, all the while just incubating.
There is no harm in this except for some nightmares.

There is so much focus on hardware, when WE are in charge of some mighty software.
It is mighty when you use it and you cannot know how to use it until its time to start breaking out of that so now narrowing home.

Neville had a strange story he told. Until we break out and that takes its own sweet DIVINE time, we repeat this life over. We "die" and wake up in the same life.
NDE'rs recall doing that and we DON"T?

This thing about Neville's teaching is that he showed how we can CHANGE states. Everything we encounter is a state of being. If you can "live in the end", actually FEEL being fully in a new state, THERE you are. Then everything around and abound must shift to reflect that change. It takes some meditation. He reported such a useful IMO body of work. It was often couched through reinterpreting bible messages for the vantage point of "I am being...."

Now we turn to a strange story in the Old Testament; one that very few priests and rabbis will be bold enough to mention from their pulpits. Here is one who is going to receive the promise as you now receive it. His name is Jesus, only the ancients called him Joshua, Jehoshua Ben Nun, or saviour, son of the fish, the Saviour of the great deep. Nun means fish, and fish is the element of the deep, the profound ocean. Jehoshua means Jehovah saves, and Ben means the offspring or son of. So he was called the one who brought the fish age.

This story is in the 6th book of the Bible, the book of Joshua. A promise is made to Joshua as it is made to Jesus in the Anglicized form in the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

In the gospel of John, Jesus says, "All things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee." John 17:7. "And all mine are thine, and thine are mine." John 17:10.

In the Old Testament in the book of Joshua it is said in these words: "Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you." Joshua 1:3

It does not matter where it is; analyze the promise and see if you can accept it literally. It is not physically true but it is psychologically true. Wherever you can stand in this world mentally that you can realize.

Joshua is haunted by this promise that wherever he can place his foot (the foot is understanding), wherever the sole of his foot shall tread, that will be given unto him. He wants the most desirable state in the world, the fragrant city, the delightful state called Jericho.

He finds himself barred by the impassable walls of Jericho. He is on the outside, as you are now on the outside. You are functioning three-dimensionally and you cannot seem to reach the fourth-dimensional world where your present desire is already a concrete objective reality. You cannot seem to reach it because your senses bar you from it. Reason tells you it is impossible, all things round about you tell you it is not true.

Now you employ the services of a harlot and a spy, and her name is Rahab. The word Rahab simply means the spirit of the father. RACE means the breath or spirit, and AB the father. Hence we find that this harlot is the spirit of the father and the father is man's awareness of being aware, man's I AMness, man's consciousness.

Your capacity to feel is the great spirit of the father, and that capacity is Rahab in this story. She has two professions that of a spy and that of a harlot.

The profession of a spy is this: to travel secretly, to travel so quietly that you may not be detected. There is not a single physical spy in this world who can travel so quietly that he will be altogether unseen by others. He may be very wise in concealing his ways, and he may never be truly apprehended, but at every moment of time he runs the risk of being detected.

When you are sitting quietly with your thoughts, there is no man in the world so wise that he can look at you and tell you where you are mentally dwelling.

I can stand here and place myself in London. Knowing London quite well, I can close my eyes and assume that I am actually standing in London. If I remain within this state long enough, I will be able to surround myself with the environment of London as though it were a solid concrete objective fact.

Physically I am still here, but mentally I am thousands of miles away and I have made elsewhere here. I do not go there as a spy, I mentally make elsewhere here, and then now. You cannot see me dwelling there, so you think I have just gone to sleep and that I an still here in this world, this three-dimensional world that is now San Francisco. As far as I am physically concerned, I am here but no one can tell me where I am when I enter the moment of meditation.

Rahab's next profession was that of a harlot, which is to grant unto men what they ask of her without asking man's right to ask. If she be an absolute harlot, as her name implies, then she possesses all and can grant all that man asks of her. She is there to serve, and not to question man's right to seek what he seeks of her.

You have within you the capacity to appropriate a state without knowing the means that will be employed to realize that end and you assume the feeling of the wish fulfilled without having any of the talents that men claim you must possess in order to do so. When you appropriate it in consciousness you have employed the spy, and because you can embody that state within yourself by actually giving it to yourself, you are the harlot, for the harlot satisfies the man who seeks her.

You can satisfy self by appropriating the feeling that you are what you want to be. And this assumption though false, that is, although reason and the senses deny it, if persisted in will harden into fact. By actually embodying that which you have assumed you are, you have the capacity to become completely satisfied. Unless it becomes a tangible, concrete reality you will not be satisfied; you will be frustrated.

You are told in this story that when Rahab went into the city to conquer it, the command given to her was to enter the heart of the city, the heart of the matter, the very center of it, and there remain until I come. Do not go from house to house, do not leave the upper room of the house into which you enter. If you leave the house and there be blood upon your head, it is upon your head. But if you do not leave the house and there be blood, it shall be upon my head.

Rahab goes into the house, rises to the upper floor, and there she remains while the walls crumble. That is, we must keep a high mood if we would walk with the highest. In a very veiled manner, the story tells you that when the walls crumbled and Joshua entered, the only one who was saved in the city was the spy and the harlot whose name was Rahab.

This story tells what you can do in this world. You will never lose the capacity to place yourself elsewhere and make it here. You will never lose the ability to give unto yourself what you are bold enough to appropriate as true of self. It has nothing to do with the woman who played that part.

The explanation of the crumbling of the walls is simple. You are told that he blew upon the trumpet seven times and at the seventh blast the walls crumbled and he entered victoriously into the state that he sought.

Seven is a stillness, a rest, the Sabbath. It is the state when man is completely unmoved in his conviction that the thing is. When I can assume the feeling of my wish fulfilled and go to sleep, unconcerned, undisturbed, I am at rest mentally, and am keeping the Sabbath or am blowing the trumpet seven times. And when I reach that point the walls crumble. Circumstances alter then remold themselves in harmony with my assumption. As they crumble I resurrect that which I have appropriated within. The walls, the obstacles, the problems, crumble of their own weight if I can reach the point of stillness within me.

The man Who can fix within his own mind's eye an idea, even though the world would deny it, if he remains faithful to that idea he will see it manifested. There is all the difference in the world between holding the idea, and being held by the idea. Become so dominated by an idea that it haunts the mind as though you were it. Then, regardless of what others may say, you are walking in the direction of your fixed attitude of mind. You are walking in the direction of the idea that dominates the mind.

As we told you last night, you have but one gift that is truly yours to give, and that is yourself. There is no other gift; you must press it out of yourself by an appropriation. It is there within you now for creation is finished. There is nothing to be that is not now. There is nothing to be created for all things are already yours, they are all finished.

Although man may not be able to stand physically upon a state, he can always stand mentally upon any desired state. By standing mentally I mean that you can now, this very moment, close your eyes and visualize a place other than your present one, and assume that you are actually there. You can FEEL this to be so real that upon opening your eyes you are amazed to find that you are not physically there.

This mental journey into the desired state, with its subsequent feeling of reality, is all that is necessary to bring about its fulfillment. Your dimensionally greater Self has ways that the lesser, or three-dimensional you, know not of. Furthermore, to the greater you, all means are good which promote the fulfillment of your assumption.

Remain in the mental state defined as your objective until it has the feeling of reality , and all the forces of heaven and earth will rush to aid its embodiment. Your greater Self will influence the actions and words of all who can be used to aid the production of your fixed mental attitude. http://realneville.com/txt/lesson2.htm

That preceding IS all about how I see "us" and "what is slouching towards Bethlehem. yes, I could say it is myth and metaphor and has no evidence. What does come of it as I contemplate my mythology will give me evidence. I think this is a testable meta-philosophic structure.

Practical application of "feeling from the end" is hard work. I cannot be lured by doubt. I am just learning the drill, Yet, I have seen results. Just this weekend in public I met gracious people, gave chair massage and was even tipped. It showed me a possible livlihood from something wonderful I am GOOD at doing.

I THINK this was a direct feedback form contemplating THE BIG PICTURE of a garden in which I as a being am happy and free with others all happy and free.

When I contemplate how it will FEEL to all be living in the Garden, I am jumping in joy. I am feeling the celebration. All the weight is just off. Everyone is there. We can all be free radicals and still have good dinners. How? I am counting on the forces of heaven and earth to aid its embodiment.

I don't see a monster.I feel such great exuberance over the way life is looking to me...

Catsquotl

4th June 2017, 05:20

Some early dots. Origins.
BR makes a post, defending his position regarding his stance in the Cory Goode forum wars.
He did so because he was triggered by someone buying Corey's story. Who became a member of Pa late march 2017. Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96929-Kerry-Cassidy-Regarding-Protecting-Confidentiality)

This story got picked up by the Dark Journalist who convinced BR to say the same on a public thread instead of a members only thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode)

The triggering recent member over at PA called Seeking Senior has already unsubscribed again.

So who has started this and why did it become so huge. Back to the old conundrum.. Who benefits from all this.
I am a paranoid, overthinking fool, but this stuff reeks. It appears more and more to be a deliberate play, set of over a subject that had many people feeling strongly about during the forum wars of 2015 and rekindled the fire.

In my darker thoughts I think "they" are conducting an experiment to proof their newest hypothesis on how to keep the alt community dived, under control and safely out of the way.

With Love
Eelco

edit: Woops, think this post should be in the 'BR's disclosure on CG' thread.
Sorry about that

donk

4th June 2017, 14:50

Yeah wind I was assuming a ton, I couldn't figure out your post at all...and it triggered my thoughts about association, which I like to question sometimes...and I found it one of the more interesting part of their talk I just can't seem to get through

I associate satanism more with an "eyes wide shut" like bizarre over-intellectualization it self absorbtion...which I guess isn't far from your view but at any rate it's a label that's probably no where near the reality of anyone who would claim the it. He's said he's studied it and admired some of the thought (of LRon too, which is worse than satanism to me, besides ayn rand I don't think there's "darker" philosophies than his), I don't think he was sacrificing babies and performing sex magick, but who knows? I hope my recounting gave you some insight, I'll give you more when I get through video

donk

4th June 2017, 15:00

Nice post eelco, I agree

I used to be in the camp ("side?") that would have thought it was orchestrated all the way back to 2015, a long term psyop.

These days I don't think it's agency sh!t, I just think bill's been waiting for opportunity to gain some relevancy**, which requires changing the narrative if he's not to look the douche

It's always been on the audience to me, I'm trying give voice to those that think the enabling's the real problem. It's not as "shiny an object" as Corey's story so Sometimes I feel I gotta jump around and misbehave to catch a bit of the attention

**Added: and while I think bill likes the "General" relevancy, he--and most others his "level" and above have been waiting for opportunity to get "community" legitimacy...I personally don't think the "timing" issue is the mystery peeps be making it out to be, it's a logical convergence

Fred Steeves

4th June 2017, 22:42

In my darker thoughts I think "they" are conducting an experiment to proof their newest hypothesis on how to keep the alt community dived, under control and safely out of the way.

Hey Eelco, a man of surprises nice to see you around. I don't see the alt community as being a threat to anyone, but I do see it overall as somewhat of a controllable asset.

On another front, with Michael Salla (and thus his Exopolitics brand) playing such a prominent role in this, our latest space opera done blue bird style this time around, I thought to check back in on Salla's "Exopolitics Advisory Board - Public Outreach" page, to see if it has been recently updated or not. And you know what? Much to my surprise it has, as of May 1 this year.

And why did I check back in there? Because if it *had* been recently updated, there was at least one name, if not two, I was curious to see if still a member of that board or not. You see with all the hub bub about "A1" (evidence based!) researchers needing to lead the alt community back to pride and gleaming credibility, I expected (not really :)) to see that Bill Ryan had officially washed his hands of being such a staunch supporter of the Exopolitics mission. Folks, May 1 2017 is pretty damn recent. Would any of you remain so closely associated and supportive?

Description of the Advisory Board - Public Outreach from Exopolitics:

Advisory Board members approve the basic mission and goals of the Exopolitics Institute. They offer periodic advise and direction to the President and Board of Directors to assist in the growth of the Exopolitics Institute, and to promote a variety of exopolitical initiatives.* Public Outreach advisors help inform the general public of exopolitics issues through related fields and initiatives.
http://exopoliticsinstitute.org/about-exopolitics-institute/advisory-board/advisory-board-public-outreach/

Catsquotl

5th June 2017, 05:35

Hey Eelco, a man of surprises nice to see you around. I don't see the alt community as being a threat to anyone, but I do see it overall as somewhat of a controllable asset.

I expected (not really :)) to see that Bill Ryan had officially washed his hands of being such a staunch supporter of the Exopolitics mission.

Good to see you too Fred,
As for surprises.. Like I said elsewhere. feels like I'm being guided. Decided this time to go with it.
Probably just guided by my curiosity no doubt.

I noticed Br's introductory bit only mentions camelot and not avalon.
Would he know he's still promoted as an active board member?

With Love
Eelco

Aragorn

5th June 2017, 05:38

I noticed Br's introductory bit only mentions camelot and not avalon.
Would he know he's still promoted as an active board member?

Without a shred of doubt. :p

Fred Steeves

5th June 2017, 10:37

I noticed Br's introductory bit only mentions camelot and not avalon.

Oh yes, well that's his standard introduction from back in the day. Frankly, I'm surprised he hasn't changed it over the years to include The Project as well.

Would he know he's still promoted as an active board member?

I agree 99+% with Aragorn's assessment in the quote below. However, wouldn't it be interesting if someone over there had the cojones to publicly ask him for clarification on that one? It's all about "integrity", and "A1 documented research" now, right? If someone *did* bring it up, and he said something like "I totally forgot about that, I will disassociate immediately, and ask Michael to update his PR page again to show my absence", I would have no choice but to take that at face value.

In my book, it's a nice simple way to find out for sure just how loyal he still is to publicly promoting Exopolitics, and thus by association Corey, and his blue bird cult. It's pretty cut and dry, not a lot of wiggle room to hem and haw. Either you still publicly support Michael Salla and his Exopolitics mission, or you don't. Lead by example...

Without a shred of doubt. :p

Aragorn

6th June 2017, 08:01

The account of Marcus/DNA has now been put in retirement, as per his own request. We have given him 24 hours to rescind that request — actually, it was a few hours longer because I wasn't at the keyboard when the deadline expired — but he has declined to do so.

And just for in the event that anyone here would still have any doubts regarding my integrity, no, the retirement of Marcus' account has nothing to do with his insults and allegations toward me higher up the thread, nor does retirement equal banning. Marcus himself did request his retirement, and we have that on record.

As a retired member, Marcus still has the exact same access as an unregistered visitor, i.e. he has full access to the public sections of the forum, but he won't be able to see anything from the various members-only sections, nor will he be able to use the forum's private messaging system. And as some of you have already come to experience, a retired account can always be restored to active status again — it takes less than a minute to do so.

I am pleased to announce that Marcus has used the contact form to request the reactivation of his account. And at this point in time, I've already taken care of that. ;)

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder660/500x/67554660/picard-make-it-so-carry-on-then.jpg

Paloma

6th June 2017, 10:01

I am pleased to announce that Marcus has used the contact form to request the reactivation of his account. And at this point in time, I've already taken care of that. ;)

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder660/500x/67554660/picard-make-it-so-carry-on-then.jpg

Great news. At least here they don't use duct tape when one wishes to express.

Aragorn

6th June 2017, 10:17

I am pleased to announce that Marcus has used the contact form to request the reactivation of his account. And at this point in time, I've already taken care of that. ;)

Great news. At least here they don't use duct tape when one wishes to express.

Well, Malc and I are after all men without hats. And the two lovely ladies on the team don't wear any headgear either that I'm aware of. :p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF4XHz6RHeI

Elen

6th June 2017, 11:33

Well, Malc and I are after all men without hats. And the two lovely ladies on the team don't wear any headgear either that I'm aware of. :p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF4XHz6RHeI

Spot on Aragorn...I DON'T WEAR HATS! :ht:

Dreamtimer

6th June 2017, 12:28

The hair gets in the way, and the foil gets all wrinkly. :p

Elen

6th June 2017, 14:05

The hair gets in the way, and the foil gets all wrinkly. :p

:ha: Too funny! If I had a hat I would...:tiphat:

Maggie

6th June 2017, 19:18

This is very pertinent and it is timely too.

Mind Control Of Religion Within The Truth Movement, Jeffrey Daugherty

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donk

6th June 2017, 20:41

I am pleased to announce that Marcus has used the contact form to request the reactivation of his account. And at this point in time, I've already taken care of that.

Yay...I was a bit taken aback by his abrupt depature...love his contributions and interacting with him

That being said...I been interacting with CW in my debaucherous celebration of the last days of not being a corporate slave (I start back up tomorrow). I was way too drunk to be interacting with anyone on the second to last 5 hour CW Chanter sh!tshow, though he actually picked up the slack and schooled St Teresa/Shannon on Bill's past, which I thought was important. She is an example of someone coming in a bit late to the party...and in the most recent one I feel like I broached some of the subjects that I think are important and getting lost in the mix:

Would the 'Corey phenomenon' "exist" without PA/BR?

CW often brings up the relative "smallness" of the "truth movement"...or at least the corner of the internet it exists in.

As small as it is, it is important to those of us who come to participate. What Bill's doing now would be very important, but it's gotten to the point of mocking those that believe story like Corey's. Which would be ok, I guess...if not for the fact that no place I've ever been has enabled people to tell such stories with such protection.

If Corey was a poster at GLP since 2010, and the webmasters there decided to turn him into a "whistleblower" several years later...what would have happened?

While it's great that places like these offer "protection" for people to pretty much tell whatever story they want, the leaders must be held to the highest standards if they are not to appear hypocritical. Something I think desperately lacking from ANY discourse (especially Bill's) is why any attention came to the story in the first place. What made Corey more special than any of the dozens of others that tell there stories there in a lower key way?

The frustration I feel is that there is plenty of "evidence" out there to answer these questions. I think Christine's post is an important piece of the puzzle which is almost completely overlooked:

http://earthempaths.net/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1230&sid=3f35ddbf5e0650ca2f5366dd3e1ea047#p8392

What she was doing with Corey is something a good friend I made on PA and I do with each other all the time. We speak as friends of our anamolous experiences and try to figure them out...compare notes, bounce things off of each other. We've actually come to the point where we think the best "evidence" we can contribute to this topic is stuff like his regression....the thing about our conversations is they often go over the same things over and over again...because the "real life" story doesn't evolve quickly enough to be constantly revealing "big picture" revelations the way or Corey or Charles.

I bring this up because if Christine is to be believed, that first interview wasn't too different than the phone convos I have with who I believe to be a TRUE experiencer of both "alien" crap and "agency" sh!t. She (and supposedly Corey) weren't ready for it to "go viral" (at least within this small community), according to her, she wasn't available when Bill posted (after hyping it up**) and would have not given the green light at that time.

It is true and important that Corey did latch on to the attention and did his thing after this point I want to discuss, and I agree with most peoples' view on that end of it. But the questions of "why corey?" and "why now?" seem to keep cropping up...and I wonder if the stuff I bring up doesn't show it quite clearly?

Why Corey?? ...why won't Bill address that question? He thought Corey was important enough back then, and if you look past that point (like most people seem to do), it seems "why did DW/Gaia pick up Corey is because Bill made his story more relevant than any other that was out there then

Why now?? ...that's even easier, the people that care most about the integrity of this community, the leaders, had a problem with him being in "Contact in the Desert" while he kept popping of the FaceBook of all places. Richard Dolan was at CITD, if he didn't have something out there saying he's not in the CG thing...wouldn't that sorta taint sharing using the same stage as him?

I believe the "why now" is the "leaders" saving face...Corey gets more pub than them, and whether they like it or not, the Dolans and Farrells are lumped in with them. I think these guys don't see how important it is to "disclose" their relationships, because often they have shared stages/interviews/videos with these people whose ideas that they may not want to be associated with. This is exactly what got me kicked off PA, I think...I kept pushing Bill to share his thoughts on Wilcock back when he picked Corey up. Sure, it had been years since the interviews they sat at the same table...so in my mind it should have been important to Bill to make that clear to his flock

That all lead to my thinking all these guys were in cahoots in some kind of psyop...when now I see more like CW does, some high school bullsh!t. No one wants to sh!t on anyone else's rep in fear those other peeps bringing up the sh!t they've done. And the "why now?" specifically to the community rallying around Bill's "cleaning up the community"...I suspect, because of my years of interactions with him and watching from the sideline, he found a perfect opportunity. And not that he was looking for it.

His "origin" story is as important as Corey's" He's had to answer to the Corey lovers constantly, and making a comprehensive response made a lot of sense, and he did a great job with it. I made my response to that because I think none of the Corey lovers (or newer Avalonians) had any IDEA the way the energence of the goodET went down (http://openuptoday.freeforums.net/thread/7/goodet-awakens), and I think it is important.

I love all the tangents the thread goes off to, I think there's tons of great info to be gleaned...but I keep bringing it back to that...and ask you: is it important? Does it show a pattern that most people are taking for granted "just happens" (it is what it is :o)?

Am I wrong? Does the part of the narrative I see him changing not matter? Is the narrative even being changed...or is it in my mind...and so me bringing any of this up is just "drugged out" personal attacks adding to the noise and drama?

Paloma

6th June 2017, 21:10

Yay...I was a bit taken aback by his abrupt depature...love his contributions and interacting with him

That being said...I been interacting with CW in my debaucherous celebration of the last days of not being a corporate slave (I start back up tomorrow). I was way too drunk to be interacting with anyone on the second to last 5 hour CW Chanter sh!tshow, though he actually picked up the slack and schooled St Teresa/Shannon on Bill's past, which I thought was important. She is an example of someone coming in a bit late to the party...and in the most recent one I feel like I broached some of the subjects that I think are important and getting lost in the mix:

Would the 'Corey phenomenon' "exist" without PA/BR?

CW often brings up the relative "smallness" of the "truth movement"...or at least the corner of the internet it exists in.

As small as it is, it is important to those of us who come to participate. What Bill's doing now would be very important, but it's gotten to the point of mocking those that believe story like Corey's. Which would be ok, I guess...if not for the fact that no place I've ever been has enabled people to tell such stories with such protection.

If Corey was a poster at GLP since 2010, and the webmasters there decided to turn him into a "whistleblower" several years later...what would have happened?

While it's great that places like these offer "protection" for people to pretty much tell whatever story they want, the leaders must be held to the highest standards if they are not to appear hypocritical. Something I think desperately lacking from ANY discourse (especially Bill's) is why any attention came to the story in the first place. What made Corey more special than any of the dozens of others that tell there stories there in a lower key way?

The frustration I feel is that there is plenty of "evidence" out there to answer these questions. I think Christine's post is an important piece of the puzzle which is almost completely overlooked:

http://earthempaths.net/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1230&sid=3f35ddbf5e0650ca2f5366dd3e1ea047#p8392

What she was doing with Corey is something a good friend I made on PA and I do with each other all the time. We speak as friends of our anamolous experiences and try to figure them out...compare notes, bounce things off of each other. We've actually come to the point where we think the best "evidence" we can contribute to this topic is stuff like his regression....the thing about our conversations is they often go over the same things over and over again...because the "real life" story doesn't evolve quickly enough to be constantly revealing "big picture" revelations the way or Corey or Charles.

I bring this up because if Christine is to be believed, that first interview wasn't too different than the phone convos I have with who I believe to be a TRUE experiencer of both "alien" crap and "agency" sh!t. She (and supposedly Corey) weren't ready for it to "go viral" (at least within this small community), according to her, she wasn't available when Bill posted (after hyping it up**) and would have not given the green light at that time.

It is true and important that Corey did latch on to the attention and did his thing after this point I want to discuss, and I agree with most peoples' view on that end of it. But the questions of "why corey?" and "why now?" seem to keep cropping up...and I wonder if the stuff I bring up doesn't show it quite clearly?

Why Corey?? ...why won't Bill address that question? He thought Corey was important enough back then, and if you look past that point (like most people seem to do), it seems "why did DW/Gaia pick up Corey is because Bill made his story more relevant than any other that was out there then

Why now?? ...that's even easier, the people that care most about the integrity of this community, the leaders, had a problem with him being in "Contact in the Desert" while he kept popping of the FaceBook of all places. Richard Dolan was at CITD, if he didn't have something out there saying he's not in the CG thing...wouldn't that sorta taint sharing using the same stage as him?

I believe the "why now" is the "leaders" saving face...Corey gets more pub than them, and whether they like it or not, the Dolans and Farrells are lumped in with them. I think these guys don't see how important it is to "disclose" their relationships, because often they have shared stages/interviews/videos with these people whose ideas that they may not want to be associated with. This is exactly what got me kicked off PA, I think...I kept pushing Bill to share his thoughts on Wilcock back when he picked Corey up. Sure, it had been years since the interviews they sat at the same table...so in my mind it should have been important to Bill to make that clear to his flock

That all lead to my thinking all these guys were in cahoots in some kind of psyop...when now I see more like CW does, some high school bullsh!t. No one wants to sh!t on anyone else's rep in fear those other peeps bringing up the sh!t they've done. And the "why now?" specifically to the community rallying around Bill's "cleaning up the community"...I suspect, because of my years of interactions with him and watching from the sideline, he found a perfect opportunity. And not that he was looking for it.

His "origin" story is as important as Corey's" He's had to answer to the Corey lovers constantly, and making a comprehensive response made a lot of sense, and he did a great job with it. I made my response to that because I think none of the Corey lovers (or newer Avalonians) had any IDEA the way the energence of the goodET went down (http://openuptoday.freeforums.net/thread/7/goodet-awakens), and I think it is important.

I love all the tangents the thread goes off to, I think there's tons of great info to be gleaned...but I keep bringing it back to that...and ask you: is it important? Does it show a pattern that most people are taking for granted "just happens" (it is what it is :o)?

Am I wrong? Does the part of the narrative I see him changing not matter? Is the narrative even being changed...or is it in my mind...and so me bringing any of this up is just "drugged out" personal attacks adding to the noise and drama?

Your question whether this CG phenomenon would exist at all, depends in my view if he really is a Milab. And how far back the preparation began, to use him as a human weapon one day. And what better place to launch him, than Avalon?
Keep him short of cash for a while, mess up his mind, his memories, make him paranoid with those visits leaving garbage outside his front door, then start the love bombing, with DW and financial snacks. And of course, the attention of the masses.

donk

6th June 2017, 21:34

Your question whether this CG phenomenon would exist at all, depends in my view if he really is a Milab. And how far back the preparation began, to use him as a human weapon one day. And what better place to launch him, than Avalon?
Keep him short of cash for a while, mess up his mind, his memories, make him paranoid with those visits leaving garbage outside his front door, then start the love bombing, with DW and financial snacks. And of course, the attention of the masses.

Well Bill certainly wanted us to believe that he was MILAB back then...and Christine DID believe he was.

It would be a real long term "psyop" if he was planted back in 2010 for release on PA in 2015 (or whenever)

So if it is the case...shouldn't the "leaders" in the community be focusing of that? How he went from PA poster to "whistleblower" to DW's homey?

And shouldn't Bill be given (and be taking) some responsibility...and focusing on the points where his popularity really took off?

If we are really going to "solve the problems" in the community...don't we need dig back to the origins?

The biggest problem (I'd think) we all agree on is that "REAL" MILABS or experiencers or whatever will be more hesitant to share their experiences...because this particular one got popular and is now being sh!t on. The case seems to be he got popular not with "TRUTH"...but with bullsh!t...that's prevailing over all of this. The poor "real" experiencers can't hope for anything positive

If we don't find the source or phenomonon or psychology or whatever causes these loops, this whole "truth about CG" 'disclosure' episode does more to keep us in the loop than any good (IMO)

Catsquotl

6th June 2017, 21:55

And the "why now?" specifically to the community rallying around Bill's "cleaning up the community"...I suspect, because of my years of interactions with him and watching from the sideline, he found a perfect opportunity. And not that he was looking for it.

His "origin" story is as important as Corey's" He's had to answer to the Corey lovers constantly, and making a comprehensive response made a lot of sense, and he did a great job with it. I made my response to that because I think none of the Corey lovers (or newer Avalonians) had any IDEA the way the energence of the goodET went down (http://openuptoday.freeforums.net/thread/7/goodet-awakens), and I think it is important.

I love all the tangents the thread goes off to, I think there's tons of great info to be gleaned...but I keep bringing it back to that...and ask you: is it important? Does it show a pattern that most people are taking for granted "just happens" (it is what it is :o)?

Am I wrong? Does the part of the narrative I see him changing not matter? Is the narrative even being changed...or is it in my mind...and so me bringing any of this up is just "drugged out" personal attacks adding to the noise and drama?

The why now baffles me. The how now as well along with the massive attention this is getting from that little interwebs corner that is these few forums.
As for changing narratives. Nothing is static and stories always change either subtly insignificant or with mind boggling grandeur.
Sometimes just because they or we ourselves forget or interpret in different ways.
I don't believe you bringing this up is a drugged out personal attack. These questions if I remember correctly are what keep you invested in the truth section of the webs isn't it? I do doubt any answer will ever be sufficient enough though.

With Love
Eelco

Paloma

6th June 2017, 21:59

donk

6th June 2017, 22:43

Well, donc, this depends on what his handlers' goals were.
If they wanted to stir up conflict and division in the community then they have already won.
And a Milab and an experiencer are two totally different entities.
So if some people can see through the lies and others cannot, then the ensuing mess and division will definitely make any true whistleblower think twice before telling their story.
So the controllers have killed two birds with one stone.
Successfully discrediting the entire truth seeker community.

A Milab is someoe who is being flown like a remote control airplane, and no one will ever know who is holding the controls.
I think it was rather risky of Bill Ryan to even allow anyone he considered a Milab into his forum, knowing how they can be used.

Wow...you kinda triggered in something in me there....remembering "possibly the most important thread on the web", as he called it:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

When I first came around, I found it a valuable place to here from experiencers (and I'd think MILABs), and watched as the ones seemed to be genuine get pushed away as they seemed to get "triggered" by other people's posts and questions. I was a greenhorn back then, and trying to take in all of it, so I'm just giving a general I feel that I remembered I had when I first came around.

I personally find it hard to believe that any failed "experiment" or MILAB would be allowed to live. While I used to believe there could be a psyop sophisticated enough to be as long term (and apparently "effective") as this one has proven to be, I think they'd have done better job than rolling out this fiasco...unless "they've" found a level absurdity and cognitive dissonance that they are pushing the limits on.

The glue, the "goodness", that makes any of this valuable is the discernment that can be learned from engaging in it, finding the balance where your open mind isn't your brain spilling out of your head.

And if Corey Goode has been used as ANOTHER example originally presented by Bill Ryan...than I think BR fo sho would have to be a MILAB too, no? I really don't think he's an agent. Could he just fit a profile of someone as easily manipulated? His past behavior sure proves him to be, if you believe in any integrity of what he actually has said...

Paloma

8th June 2017, 02:43

Wow...you kinda triggered in something in me there....remembering "possibly the most important thread on the web", as he called it:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

When I first came around, I found it a valuable place to here from experiencers (and I'd think MILABs), and watched as the ones seemed to be genuine get pushed away as they seemed to get "triggered" by other people's posts and questions. I was a greenhorn back then, and trying to take in all of it, so I'm just giving a general I feel that I remembered I had when I first came around.

I personally find it hard to believe that any failed "experiment" or MILAB would be allowed to live. While I used to believe there could be a psyop sophisticated enough to be as long term (and apparently "effective") as this one has proven to be, I think they'd have done better job than rolling out this fiasco...unless "they've" found a level absurdity and cognitive dissonance that they are pushing the limits on.

The glue, the "goodness", that makes any of this valuable is the discernment that can be learned from engaging in it, finding the balance where your open mind isn't your brain spilling out of your head.

And if Corey Goode has been used as ANOTHER example originally presented by Bill Ryan...than I think BR fo sho would have to be a MILAB too, no? I really don't think he's an agent. Could he just fit a profile of someone as easily manipulated? His past behavior sure proves him to be, if you believe in any integrity of what he actually has said...

I'm not sure if I follow you here. Failed experiment?
As long as there is a trail of confusion the experiment is working, in my view. Their goals are reached.

And to fall into the traps that a Milab sets, consciously or unconsciously, does not mean one has to be a Milab oneself.
Just a bit gullible.
But once you know someone is a Milab, and what that entails, then to continue the relationship means that you would be playing with fire.

Maggie

8th June 2017, 03:15

This video is "Full of Insight" or "Full of it" depending on the person. That to me is why I have no interest in disputing others but really seek to understand what is true and most of all PRACTICAL for me. I have already revealed that I discovered how my own paranoia shaped my world. Indicators of "how am I doing" (angry, divisive and defensive, looking for a "fight") were seen from every direction. Despair insisted that I begin neutralizing my own static charge. The promise was "When we clear our own energetic system, we see with clarity and are able to navigate the "rocky shores of common ground" with our own guidance and we will trust more and fear less."

Is this the case?

You will not find out by listening to Gaiam or youtube or lecturers or reading.
THERE you will notice that which seems to make your opinions the true ones.
When you listen, you will hear confirmation of your bias, like this video confirms mine (hehhah, hehhaha..... 4D "matrix" of mind stuff is just too Hilarious).

Yp9guqJ8mkA

Dreamtimer

8th June 2017, 17:11

I did listen to CW's response to Dark Journalist. His comments surrounding satanism seem to concentrate in two areas, the 'satanic panic' and 'it's just a fun, male adolescent thing'. I'm perfectly willing to accept the latter as an explanation for CW himself. No prob, if he's on the up and up.

In the bigger picture, that doesn't wash. Satanism is certainly much more than that.

It's a nice thing to couch it in concerns over the satanic panic. No doubt there was real, negative fall out from that. But the current atmosphere surrounding satanism is nothing like that. There's much more information out there now and much more immediate connection between people.

A possible relation between satanism and any kind of abuse of children is always something that merits investigation, for the sake of the children. In light of the fact that even domestic abuse as a term didn't exist when I was a child and was a taboo topic makes it so. And we need to be careful. It's difficult to prove a negative, therefore investigations can be difficult and take long. We need to take care not to target the innocent.

CW's questioning words regarding the salvation of Christ were incredibly specific. Perhaps he was referencing a certain kind of belief regarding Satan?

TargeT

8th June 2017, 17:38

Awe, strike through code doesn't work here? :(

A possible relation between satanism any religion and any kind of abuse of children is always something that merits investigation, for the sake of the children.

I get his point here, it's not like the "satanists" are being protected by the pope for their Pedo indiscretions... that's just Catholics. Misdirected panic etc is a real thing.

Perhaps he was referencing a certain kind of belief regarding Satan?

There are some very interesting "left hand path" philosophies that differ greatly from the traditional thoughts of "satanism"; especially since Lucifer and Satan are two different things, it gets a bit convoluted. I understood where he was comming from, but I agree that just because HIS specific flavor of "the dark side" was benign doesn't mean that everyone's is. Those tattoos on RR show a level of commitment, if nothing else; and a publicly flaunted one at that.

DNA

8th June 2017, 17:39

In the bigger picture, that doesn't wash. Satanism is certainly much more than that.

I'm very much in agreement here.
I don't think greedy corporate types are necessarily psychopaths to begin with, but it seems they have worked out a method of creating a psychopath.
They lure them into sex/satanic parties that seem very "Eyes Wide Shut", with masks and orgies and such. Adults living out various fantasies with other adults if you will, maybe a mock sacrifice of types to get them primed.
Then they are asked to come to a much more exclusive engagement with promises of prestigious connections.
But then they have a truly macabre situation sprung on them with pedophilia and human/child sacrifice.
I don't think most of them know what they are getting into.
But they have already agreed to the terms in previous parties.
And when this new thing is sprung on them, the brave one's with the guts and ethical core who protest are usually weeded out. Killed.
And when those who stay do so, they, through the "usually" forced participation become psychopaths.
I think there is a recipe of sorts for creating psychopaths and it seems this is what is practiced to ensure leadership roles of Government and Business are immune to human suffering.
It is a horrible situation, and we can debate upon wheather or not these acts destroy the human energy field's protections against a sort of spirit or dark entity possession.

Catsquotl

8th June 2017, 21:22

Like Christianity Satanism comes in different forms of extremisms.

I know a few of the young folk who call themselves satanists, Listen to death metal and read laVey's little booklet on the celebration of ego.
I'm often taken aback by my own reluctance to look beyond my own beliefsystem when it comes to satanism.

With Love
Eelco

TargeT

8th June 2017, 21:25

I'm often taken aback by my own reluctance to look beyond my own beliefsystem when it comes to satanism.

That's definitely a part of the pattern.. Religion is one of the best divide and conquer examples.

Dreamtimer

9th June 2017, 16:09

It seems things are coming full circle. The thread at PA began with Bill posting a warning from Randy Maugans on FB about the upcoming CITD event and how he was sensing dark energies.

Dark Journalist has now released his fourth installment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHKXaVOMGd0) of his new and relevant series and boy is it a doozy.

There was a night during the conference when Derrick, who is interviewed by Daniel in this show, and the group of them were settling into the camp and preparing to build a fire. Justin and Jordan then said that they had been invited up to Corey's cabin. Derrick said Theresa went too because she was driving Jordan. They thought it was weird. They heard that 'only talent' was invited and (reportedly) Roger said to bring 'hot chicks'. Daniel made sarcastic reference at this point to "unity in the community".

They came back late, didn't speak with anyone at the fire, went straight to bed and were distant after that. Derrick and a friend were talking the next morning and overheard Jordan nearby say, "Well we were kinda in a ritual last night." Derrick says he didn't want to ask. He didn't want to confront.

Next day, the two were up on stage on a panel (which apparently hadn't been in the original plan) and are now working on a book. Derrick tells the story at 25 min.

Derrick said that after that Justin seems to have picked a side where before he had a 'maddening neutrality'.

Modwiz, dude, you'll love what he says at the 30 min. mark. "Theresa goes from talking about Christian stuff and having brunette hair to being a bleach blonde and talking about all this Secret Space Program [stuff]... and after hearing that her dad works for the Pentagon, it was just a very strange situation."

Daniel tried to follow up on this ritual and had a devil of a time. He managed to get a name, Ring of Archons. He doesn't speculate what it was, only notes that it marks a notable change in dynamic.

Derrick also mentioned concern over Corey's well being because he was apparently toking it up big-time.

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHKXaVOMGd0

Catsquotl

9th June 2017, 17:15

I Roger said to bring 'hot chicks'. Daniel made sarcastic reference at this point to "unity in the community".

They came back late, didn't speak with anyone at the fire, went straight to bed and were distant after that. Derrick and a friend were talking the next morning and overheard Jordan nearby say, "Well we were kinda in a ritual last night." Derrick says he didn't want to ask. He didn't want to confront.

Daniel tried to follow up on this ritual and had a devil of a time. He managed to get a name, Ring of Archons. He doesn't speculate what it was, only notes that it marks a notable change in dynamic.

Either my cognitive dissonance is setting in Or, and I'm inclined to believe the latter.
This story is being spun in so many ways we have no option but to keep enthralled by it.

Calling BS on this one.

With Love
Eelco

Maggie

9th June 2017, 17:47

Either my cognitive dissonance is setting in Or, and I'm inclined to believe the latter.
This story is being spun in so many ways we have no option but to keep enthralled by it.

Calling BS on this one.

With Love
Eelco

Could you please elaborate?

Maggie

9th June 2017, 17:56

Catsquotl

9th June 2017, 17:58

Could you please elaborate?

The story about CG is getting more and more fantastic, as if it wasn't fantastic enough.
Hinting at rituals performed for whatever reason serves little purpose in my view.
For all I now they were doing hot chicks and drugs. That will make you appear distant for a while as well.

That and the interviewer doesn't feel right to me, but that's probably a personal thing does influence my judgment of the situation though.

With Love
Eelco

TargeT

9th June 2017, 19:22

There's some very interesting back and forth in the comments of this video...

I couldn't help joining in ;)

Incorrect sir, the impetus is on YOU who makes the extra ordinary claims (or backs those who do) and then leverages those claims into a monetary harvesting Conference building T shirt slinging empire. (are the comic books still on?)\

:nails:

Dreamtimer

9th June 2017, 19:47

I thought I saw a Real Rationalist there.;)

Dark Journalist, Daniel Liszt, is not my focus here. It's Derrick. A man who worked directly with this crew at the conference. He describes his time with them and meeting Ramsaur who was cooking for them. They were at the campsite together.

Derrick worked with Justin and the Corey stuff for two years. I'm not sure how someone with actual first-hand experience, is perceived as making things up. He is clear-eyed and coherent in the interview and is clearly trying only to talk about his own experience without judging. If something came from someone else, he said so.

For those who can see sincerity for themselves, I'm pretty sure you'll see it here with Derrick.

Dumpster Diver

9th June 2017, 20:12

I'm sorta loving all this. It really seems to be playing into my Alt-World WWE Smackdown meme between two Deep State Dialectic factions.:winner:

...yeah, you heard it here first, folks!

Gio

9th June 2017, 21:07

I'm sorta loving all this. It really seems to be playing into my Alt-World WWE Smackdown meme between two Deep State Dialectic factions.:winner:

...yeah, you heard it here first, folks!

Yes indeed,

And i agree - noting i have met quit a few performers in this circus - With many spilling questionable
accounts of their own experiences while in my company ...
The MILab faction has gone completely hog wild without restraint ...

http://images.amcnetworks.com/blogs.amctv.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Wild-Hogs.gif

Allowing for conspiracy forum drama at its narcissistic finest ... :frantic:

Dumpster Diver

10th June 2017, 00:59

Ok, I listened to all of DJ's "Ring of Archons" (he he, you gotta love this title) exposé.

Hawt Girlz! Bong Hits! and Dark Rituals! ...that he was not invited to... (me in the late 60s :shocked: )

...if I were a young dude like Derrick, I'd be kinda ****ed off too.

Gotta wonder about that "Faust" last name as well...

To all this I have to say:

I have a nephew who is a druggie...it's a long sad story...but he is the most convincing liar I've ever met. As I was watching DJ's video, I was reminded that it is very possible to lie or "stretch things" quite convincingly.

I am just not buying it.

Dreamtimer

10th June 2017, 12:30

Chester

10th June 2017, 18:04

If someone is correctly referred to as "a gnostic" then they are an adherent to "The Left Hand path."

Maggie

10th June 2017, 18:04

I have a guilty fascination with all this drama. What does anyone think about RR challenging Linda Moulton Howe on facebook and shared with Sphere Being Alliance (https://www.facebook.com/BlueAvians/posts/1760581327572989)?

Here is a post about L. M. Howe and the book project with Dr. Wood, Dr. Salla, William Topkinds and myself. She was very interested to write the forward until the slanders and lies came out about Roger. Lies we have addressed and most people see for what they are now. TY, CG

An Open Letter to Linda M. Howe

Hello Linda,

I'm writing this letter in a public fashion because I believe I have a responsibility to address an issue that you have turned into some what of a public matter.

I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are just acting in self defense and not wanting to get caught up in the attacks so you are choosing your public words selectively.

Regarding your recent and multiple statements on your earthfiles social media page " Linda Moulton Howe is not participating in any Roger Richards-Ramsaur-Emma Gold/Corey Goode book project about a secret space program in the United States. Linda's name should not be used in any web, paper, electronic, conference or other media related to promotion for a Roger Richards/Ramsaur/EmmaGold/CoreyGoode project."

I feel this misrepresents the interactions I had with you personally regarding the book project I reached out to you about and until recently you showed great enthusiasm in being a part of.

Your quote feels misleading to me in the way that it frames the circumstances around your potential participation in this book as a complete fabrication. This is disconcerting considering that up until the recent slander campaigns put out about myself, Corey Goode, Jirka Rysavy, Jay Weidner, David Wilcock and Jordan Sather you expressed a noticeable interest in being a part of this book ?

I have respected your work for many years and I have looked up to you as one of the great veteran contributors in the UFO field. It was this respect that brought your name to my mind as a potential contributor to this book in the beginning and when we first spoke I was was thrilled that you were so interested.

When the attacks started you reached out to me personally with a query as to the situation and your dialogue completely changed from being potentially involved in this project to all of the sudden not knowing what the project was?

I then responded to you with my perception as to the situation regarding the recent attacks and I also made sure I answered every personal question you had about me and my history with complete honesty, transparency and integrity. I thought surely a researcher of your experience would easily get to the bottom of this and see that the allegations made in the smear campaigns were not only false but well planned out to possibly derail this book project.

I can't say how completely disappointed I was to receive your email the next morning not only pulling out of the project but also using a single Google search with the key words used in the slander campaign as your basis for "research". This Google search only brought up the existing hit piece I referenced in our early email exchanges I had warned you about. My admiration of your research skills and integrity were challenged in that moment.

I was crushed and humiliated but I accepted it and responded with maturity and sensitivity regarding the issue and also your needs to be removed from any mention of this book. I had no interest in making any public mention about this as I knew your reasoning to pull out was most likely about dodging a very ugly bullet regarding the slander pieces being put out. I knew by not saying anything it would make me look worse in the public eye but it felt out of integrity to bring you into this any further so I chose to leave it........

Until I saw your continued stance publicly that felt to me very misleading. I also am witnessing your statements causing a great divide in our community. This is why I am writing this open letter now.

I will close this letter with some very simple questions I think would serve to clarify this situation.

1. Were you ever in communication with myself regarding your interest in being a part of a collaborative book involving Corey Goode, William Tompkins, Dr. Salla and Dr. Wood?

2. Did you loose interest in this project because of the recent hit pieces put out about myself and others mentioned above?

3. Did you ever feel threatened, manipulated or intimidated by the "Journalist" behind the attacks or by any other source?

4. Out of the topics I shared with you in privacy regarding the content of this book, "a case for the secret space program", why do you think their has been such an organized effort to derail this project?

My hope is that this public query will serve to soften the infighting going on in this moment around the subject. Any place where fighting is instigated by false or misleading statements I feel it my responsibility to address publicly and will continue to do so.

I hope you can give the public the respect they deserve by answering these questions honestly and with transparency. The role of being a public figure in my opinion comes with the responsibility of your influence. It is my opinion that the statements you have made are continuing to divide an already chaotic community.

With respect and appreciation.

.R

Dumpster Diver

10th June 2017, 20:11

I'm pretty sure Derrick's not the druggie. He doesn't have the look or the way of speaking. He looks like an earnest man who worked hard and excelled at what he did in the military, who then found a new direction to embrace and excel in and spent the last two years doing it. This new turn is where he's getting off the train.

I see a pattern of downplaying the initial impetus, or at least part of it, contained in the warning BR referred to. This isn't adolescent D&D.

It's not that hard to get sucked into something when there are a lot of pretty lights and a pay-off seemingly at hand.

It's certainly noticeable when someone changes years of consistent behavior. For example, the maddening neutrality that Derrick found so consistent and so admirable has gone.
That's not something a druggie would notice or even care about. A druggie would be embracing these changes and hoping to work his way into being 'real talent'. IMO.

Dreamy: Sorry, bad example on my part. I was just mentioning that an accomplished lier can easily pull this off, i.e. look this persuasive. Or maybe he really believes such. BTW, seen a number of folks who really can do the drugs and seriously cover it well; as I said, nephew is the prime example. Faking empathy is child's play with practice.

But as I mentioned somewhere else, maybe in this thread, I think the real target of all this is David Wilcock. Now that they've glued CG to DW thru the Gaia TV show, if you can publicly bust CG you can really burn down a major portion of the Alt-World Biz. The long term build up of an MK ULTRA mole like CG looks to be perfect. If Clif High's data mining futurism stuff really works (and I have some insight into that biz as well) DW & CG's tracks are all over the place: they are important to negate.

As I said, DW's Wisdom Teachings is the meat; it is the researched, documented, and provable portion of all this Alt-World hysteria. CG's "Excellent Adventures with the Blue Birds of Paradise" is so much Pulp Fantasy and really a sideshow. Facts, not glitz.

Dumpster Diver

11th June 2017, 19:37

More on Earth facing quiet from Ben Davidson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF856UMjJEA

Am I in the right thread? :confused:

Aianawa

12th June 2017, 21:40

More on Earth facing quiet from Ben Davidson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF856UMjJEA

Am I in the right thread? :confused:

Feel I am getting the best of both worlds on forum atm, you make me laugh Dumpy and I see myself in you at times and I so wish to see our lord Sid in a TOTcast, be amazing.

Dumpster Diver

12th June 2017, 22:14

Feel I am getting the best of both worlds on forum atm, you make me laugh Dumpy and I see myself in you at times and I so wish to see our lord Sid in a TOTcast, be amazing.

Thanks Aianawa. My idea of a cool forum is to be able tell and document what you know, and throw in a few jokes along the way (while not having to join a cult). I might poke at someone, but usually it is in fun and not anger. I don't wish ill of anyone even the bad guys.

This is a massive jigsaw puzzle we are all assembling with well over half the pieces missing, pieces with corners knocked off, some repainted different colors and with no corner or edge pieces or a box picture help out.

If you are asking me to be in a TOTcast, I'll have to decline. Too chicken. :getcoat:

Aianawa

12th June 2017, 22:57

No not you Dumpy, maybe you will get the courage when ready, I mean lord Sid, love his cutting mirror energy, bs is scared of mirrors, lol few rough edges maybe

Lord Sidious

12th June 2017, 23:07

No not you Dumpy, maybe you will get the courage when ready, I mean lord Sid, love his cutting mirror energy, bs is scared of mirrors, lol few rough edges maybe

You know, vampires hate mirrors

Aragorn

13th June 2017, 00:07

Dumpster Diver

13th June 2017, 00:14

Alright, I have just deleted six (6) posts from this thread, and those whose posts I've deleted will all know why. Was it really necessary to start a conflict on an open thread? Aren't you all supposed to be grownups or something? :rolleyes:

Oh, and Dumpster Diver, my patience is starting to wear thin with you. If you want to find out how thin exactly, then by all means, carry on with what you're doing.

I've no problem with the deletion of insult lines, however informational ones I resent.

Do what you feel you must. But if you keep deleting informational posts, I'll probably move on and join BR's cult as a mole. :bump2:

Lord Sidious

13th June 2017, 00:14

Alright, I have just deleted six (6) posts from this thread, and those whose posts I've deleted will all know why. Was it really necessary to start a conflict on an open thread? Aren't you all supposed to be grownups or something? :rolleyes:

Oh, and Dumpster Diver, my patience is starting to wear thin with you. If you want to find out how thin exactly, then by all means, carry on with what you're doing.

Not me Aragornugget.
I was addressing someone not on this forum.
I'm a good Sith Lord.
My mother says so

Aragorn

13th June 2017, 00:20

I've no problem with the deletion of insult lines, however informational ones I resent.

Do what you feel you must. But if you keep deleting informational posts, I'll probably move on and join BR's cult as a mole. :bump2:

If you don't want your "informational posts" deleted, then I suggest you refrain from inserting insults and flame bait into them.

Dumpster Diver

13th June 2017, 00:22

If you don't want your "informational posts" deleted, then I suggest you refrain from inserting insults and flame bait into them.

Good point, I'll carefully separate them from now on.

Chester

14th June 2017, 13:22

Would the 'Corey phenomenon' "exist" without PA/BR?

Would the Corey phenomenon exist without:

an alternative community?

and alternative community that has advanced for decades all sorts of themes and memes from which Corey could mine?

others who have had real 'milab experiences'

folks who join these forums (and sub forum groups) who have the desire to exploit these groups for feeding their own -

megalomania

narcissism

messianic complex

ability to lie without conscience, perhaps pathologically

sociopathy and possibly psychopathy

folks who become parts of established, successful alternative community online concerns which might see an opportunity to become a player in the alternative community through their affiliation with and exposure through one or more of these specific portals

a global online community that shares well enough a common language (in this case English) and who, to varying degrees, are gullible and/or vulnerable.

Surely all sorts of other reasons I left off (for now).

So to be fair to the rising of the Corey phenomena and to be honest as to what are the likely factors in this rising, perhaps the discussion should also focus on these other factors.

As an oddsmaker, I make Bill's role perhaps and at most a 10% factor. I also noted that in Bill's interview with the Dark Journalist, Bill shared the details of his role which, based on my own experience as a peripheral observer/participant back in the "rising" days, seemed pretty honest and accurate whereas other interviews of others I listened to were less so.

No one likes to admit their role in a fiasco and I understand that... well, unless you are Sam Hunter who somehow has made so many mistakes, mistakes that far too many people know far too much about... specifically in relation to episodes in my life where my bipolar condition played a significant role... where if I am ever not accurate with regards to my own words and actions or if I am ever wrong in my own recantings of my experiences and/or my conclusions... I found it always quite helpful to admit those mistakes as well. Different folks are at different stages in their personal growth. I am not yet at the stage I feel comfortable in pushing the import of "personal integrity" as I have heard others trying to do (not on this thread... in interviews and on other forums and in online livecasts).

Dreamtimer

14th June 2017, 13:36

Chester

14th June 2017, 14:32

Major New Whistleblower Interview was a headline that grabbed a lot of attention. The momentum from that moment was immediate and notable. Then the Second Major Interview was up. More momentum.

The first websites Corey put up after leaving the forum focused a lot of attention on Avalon. Then he transitioned into focusing on the sphere being theme.

All of the initial impetus and momentum involved Avalon, and once Corey left much of that energy passed through here, causing quite a stir.

10% seems like a small number to me.

EDIT: added... to make sure it is understood - the 10% number I placed on Bill Ryan himself. Note Bill shared his role in the Dark Journalist interviews.

In my 10% number I am separating Bill's role from Christine's role, PA membership's role, the milab sub-forum's membership role... Think about the % one might place on Corey himself for having the personality makeup which is capable in becoming such a "public figure," the amount of data mining he clearly involved himself with for years and years prior to "coming out," and then the fact that Goode and Wilcock were in communication (according to Goode - 5 years... but according to other sources, communications began long before Christine went and interviewed Corey).

Just note that at the time all this started ramping up, I was involved relatively closely with several others who were directly involved in this developing story. My own experiences... specifically my memories suggest that not all "recountings" of what went on were accurate. In some cases, it may be POV influenced by opinion and "perception as to how one might be viewed if they were totally honest." In some cases, it boils down to a he said/she said situation which means each of us must decide who might be the more honest one or perhaps the only honest one. Sadly in the cases of he said/she said, I must consider the actions of he or she regarding other matters to determine who I believe more. I, personally, have many documented or 'attested to at the time' data points in regards to both.

All these factors went into making my percentage. Few folks had as close a bird's eye view to the whole "rising' saga as I had. It was indeed an education and I am glad for it. Why I share about it is that I somehow feel it is important that readers have as much honest information as possible. I don't see any innocents here, including myself and including the vulnerable as my own personal operational protocol based on my operational assumptions puts acceptance of personal responsibility as the number one protocol to observe. Maybe I have that wrong, but its my current primary operational assumption that nothing is more important for the individual.

Gio

14th June 2017, 14:35

Would the Corey phenomenon exist without:

Bill Ryan

Lord Sidious

14th June 2017, 14:38

Bill Ryan

Sir Baconhat of Avalon?

Dreamtimer

14th June 2017, 14:43

Thanks Sam. In light of that, 10% is actually a high number for just the man himself. (not saying too high)

Chester

14th June 2017, 14:51

I totally get the animosity towards Bill by just about everyone who shares their opinions on that. In my case though, I have very good experiences with Bill. In addition, if it were not for Bill Ryan, the PA I found in late 2011 would likely not have existed. I have shared before both on PA and here about how PA played the most important role in my own recovery from the very worst time of my life, a time where I had attempted ending it twice and a time where I then found myself in great despair and in the midst of a month's long dark night of the soul experience.

My point is that I am clearly biased in a positive way towards what Bill Ryan has done that resulted in my three sons regaining a father, a father who was able to find a way for my second son to avoid prison, found a way to assist my oldest twice when he had bipolar episodes such that he ihy today, that has been there for my third son who is struggling with alcohol/substance issues... a husband for my wife of 15 years, Cristina... who has finally been able to immigrate to the US and be with me in Dallas... and a father to her daughter where she is now on a solid pathway to fulfill her career goal of being a flight attendant. I am clearly immensely grateful to Bill and PA.

EDIT Added - note my browser crashed just as I was trying to clean up spelling and add the following...

This very forum also played a critical and positive role in my recovery. My journey here (this is my third time to become active) has been helped most specifically by Aragorn and Malc. Also, the rank and file membership here is filled with outstanding folks who I wish could all be on one big forum with so many folks I know over at PA. But that is out of my hands.

I can say that when I had my serious awakening moment with regards to all these "blowers" as I call them, I don't know if I ever would have recovered without the help of TOT and the folks here... if I started naming names of members I would likely miss one or tow, then feel regret for that... and so I won't.

Note I also take a small percentage of responsibility for Corey... I donated to him three times and had begun a personal and supportive relationship with him until he made me chose between being his friend or Shane's friend. And then soon after I started catching his lies. That's when I realized I had been scammed and that is when I started pointing out his story changes and lies.

Lord Sidious

14th June 2017, 15:02

I am sure that is great for you Sam.

Chester

14th June 2017, 15:17

I am sure that is great for you Sam.

Hi... and speaking from a place of "personal self" yes. Please, see what I added in my last post above this one - (which I had begun to write when my browser crashed).

I am well aware of much of the experiences of others and everyone has the right to form their own opinions and draw conclusions, even definitive ones from their own experiences. I just have a hard time with seeing someone as either "black" (bad) or "white" (good) knowing that I have a good mix of both and seeing pretty much everyone I know being a bit of both too.

Lord Sidious

14th June 2017, 15:27

Hi... and speaking from a place of "personal self" yes. Please, see what I added in my last post above this one - (which I had begun to write when my browser crashed).

I am well aware of much of the experiences of others and everyone has the right to form their own opinions and draw conclusions, even definitive ones from their own experiences. I just have a hard time with seeing someone as either "black" (bad) or "white" (good) knowing that I have a good mix of both and seeing pretty much everyone I know being a bit of both too.

I understand.
I benefited to, but also paid.

Dreamtimer

14th June 2017, 17:50

Sam, I'm so glad to hear that Cristina is here with you at last. I know there were many struggles along the way. I hope you've worked them out the way you wanted. Family is so very important.

Chester

14th June 2017, 18:03

I understand.
I benefited to, but also paid.

You know... and that really has bugged me because when I got into PA you were such a legend and so highly revered and so I have always regretted that I was unable to experience much of that at PA. Anyways, apologies if my comment makes you blush but truly, you are a legend and thanks for being kind with me.

Sam, I'm so glad to hear that Cristina is here with you at last. I know there were many struggles along the way. I hope you've worked them out the way you wanted. Family is so very important.

THANKS! and man am I such a truly lucky guy... she is such a wonderful partner and I hope to share some things about us along the way.

It took us 3.5 years but finally we got it done and... Alejandra (her daughter from a previous relationship) here too! Ohhh and two cats - Diamond and Topacio. I am now surrounded by four female energies so there's hope for me. haha

Dreamtimer

14th June 2017, 18:41

Excellent. Good news.

My husband is also surrounded by female energies. Mostly at work, many women in his field. Our son is grown, but the cat is male. However, he may need a new home soon...