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Aragorn
15th April 2017, 08:47
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Children in the UK own their own phone by age seven on average, research suggests.


Source: Independent UK (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/teenage-technology-addiction-smartphone-rehab-seattle-clinic-children-aged-13-mobile-devices-a7684356.html)



Children refusing to put down their phones is a common flashpoint in many homes, with a third of British children aged 12 to 15 admitting they do not have a good balance between screen time (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/does-spending-too-much-time-on-smartphones-and-tablets-damage-kids-development-a7067261.html) and other activities.

But in the US, the problem has become so severe for some families that children as young as 13 are being treated for digital technology addiction (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/this-dark-side-of-the-internet-is-costing-young-people-their-jobs-and-social-lives-a7041451.html).

One ‘smartphone rehab’ centre near Seattle (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/Seattle) has started offering residential “intensive recovery programs” for teenagers who have trouble controlling their use of electronic devices.

The Restart Life Centre says parents have been asking it to offer courses of treatment to their children for more than eight years.

Hilarie Cash, the Centre’s founder, told Sky News (http://news.sky.com/story/children-as-young-as-13-being-treated-for-addiction-to-mobile-phones-10836226) smartphones, tablets and other mobile devices can be so stimulating and entertaining that they “override all those natural instincts that children actually have for movement and exploration and social interaction”.

It is important for families to “talk about tech and how much is good, how much is ok and when does it start to interfere with family relationships, with responsibilities, with sleep, and many other things,“ she added.

A recent survey (https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/technology/children-first-mobile-phone-aged-seven-browse-internet-five/) of 1,500 parents found that, on average, UK children own their first mobile phone by the age of seven, followed by a tablet aged eight and a smartphone aged 10.

And a report published last year (https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0034/93976/Children-Parents-Media-Use-Attitudes-Report-2016.pdf) by Ofcom found that 64 per cent of children aged 12 to 15 and 65 per cent of parents of children in that age group said the teenagers’ “screen time” was under control.

Richard Graham is a consultant psychiatrist at the private London mental health hospital the Nightingale Hospital, where he runs a specialist technology addiction clinic.

He told Metro (http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/10/how-to-wean-your-tech-addicted-child-off-their-mobile-phones-and-ipads-6372247/) what parents should look out for to know if their child is at risk of smartphone addiction: "Is their device use disturbing activities?" he said.

“Is it stopping them from going to school, or engaging in other activities such as having dinner with the family? When someone seems absolutely not able to stop, they're losing control”.

Dr Graham said parents should lead by example and limit their own use of mobile devices, and plan designated tech-free family time.

Outdoor activities can be particularly beneficial to children who struggle to disconnect, he added.

"There's something about those outdoor, immersive experiences that really helps tech-addicted children. Even just going swimming, going to a football match, or going to the cinema can have a positive effect."

Child psychotherapist Julie Lynn Evans, who has worked with hospitals, schools and families for 25 years, said her workload has significantly increased since the use of smartphones became widespread among young people.

“It’s a simplistic view, but I think it is the ubiquity of broadband and smartphones that has changed the pace and the power and the drama of mental illness in young people,” she told The Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11486167/Are-smartphones-making-our-children-mentally-ill.html).

A ComRes poll of more than 1,000 parents of children aged under 18, published in September 2015, found 47 per cent of parents said they thought their children spent too much time in front of screens, with 43 per cent saying this amounts to an emotional dependency.


Source: Independent UK (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/teenage-technology-addiction-smartphone-rehab-seattle-clinic-children-aged-13-mobile-devices-a7684356.html)

Anastasia
15th April 2017, 19:16
Just to add...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2017/04/09/the-reasons-why-we-cant-put-down-our-smartphones/#337bcfe4970e

Gale Frierson
16th April 2017, 13:11
An American, and 80 years of age, I see this kind of thing all the time. Everyone seems to be under the control of their phones. They can't walk anywhere, even just a few feet from one place to another at work without being led by the nose, so to speak by their phones. "They just gotta have another...(session with their phone). (Phrase used to be "another cigarette". The phrase came from a Johnny Cash song, as I remember it.

Emil El Zapato
16th April 2017, 14:44
Just my thoughts:
I have a 17-year old daughter and she has indeed been glued to her phone for quite some time. Everyone is aware of the obvious drawbacks and pitfalls. I think what we are seeing is just another form of addictive behavior in those that have the emotional or genetic tendency for that. On that score, I see it as better than drugs, alcohol, gambling, sex, etc simply because phones have access to 'information' on the net which provides a bit of a balance.

One thing I've noticed is that many people, not just youngsters, use a phone in social environments for what older generations referred to as 'ice breakers'. I've seen my daughter and her friends in the back seat of my car when first meeting get immediately on their phones and join in 'group' texting with others not in the 'local' group. I don't think that is such a terrible thing because eventually the friends will be engaged in face-to-face interaction when they feel comfortable doing so. Of course, some are more uncomfortable than others so the phone provides a 'comfort' buffer to whatever level is required by the individual. Some will take that need to a pathological level but that is the nature of the human psyche, it has always been so and those individuals have always needed therapy.

My daughter is very socially aware and conscious and while I have tried to contribute to her awareness, I sometimes think her phone has done a better job than I have. :)

Amanda
20th April 2017, 23:59
The electronic devices that are now everywhere are actually diminishing the cognitive abilities of all who use them frequently. I will let each individual reader ascertain for themself just how to measure their personal level of 'frequent' use.

When Students learn to write they are engaging in the development of not only their ability to communicate but also their beautiful developing psyche. When they progress from printing to cursive or what we called running writing - we are progressively utilising and engaging in the maximum capacity of our cognition.

In simple terms - when people stop writing by hand and start pressing buttons they are using the 'computer/screen/smartphone/electronic device with a keyboard as the 'brain' instead of their own. I am all for technology and incorporating it into our lives. What I see and hear on a daily basis is this: People who are unable to think in the abstract, which is a core ingredient of being able to engage in intellectual discourse/conversation.

Everyday I see and hear people who are losing touch with their own cognition and they don't even know. When I made Mandatory Reports in 2011 - my life was completely destroyed and that meant I no longer had the financial ability to 'keep up with' modern technology. I have been spared a great deal of pain - because - by not having all the latest electronic devices I have managed to strengthen my cognition. I do not have a smartphone or a flat screen television - I lived without a fridge for four years.

Children are the most vulnerable - they see what is beamed out at them via the (flat screen) television and they want the 'exciting' devices. I don't have a problem with that in itself but when it decreases the cognition of a Child before they have begun to grow - it becomes a sad reflection on our global education of all Children.

Much Respect & Much Peace - Amanda

Emil El Zapato
21st April 2017, 00:37
My daughter has been exposed to electronic technology from toddlerhood ... thanks to me. I was laying the fundamentals of abstract mathematics when she was 3 using electronic learning tools. She is taking advanced maths now and pretty much aces everything.

She is also an award winning artist and writer. A talent neither her mother or father possess.

The point is that there is much value in 'tactile' learning but what research has been conducted regarding what the 'new' forms of learning are adding to brain development. I haven't read of any but I'm betting big bucks there is a lot happening in the developing brain that will pay great rewards. But at the same time we shouldn't abandon tried and true teaching methods until they are completely obsolete. Tactile works for many and does have value.

Amanda
21st April 2017, 00:56
Many Children are not able to think in the abstract, some cannot even construct a complete sentence with simple grammar tools such as a fullstop and or a capital letter. I have work samples that I have shown to people - to show them what is actually happening - it is very sad.

The same Children who cannot construct a sentence are the quickest to press buttons on their devices. It must be noted that there is a phenomena happening within our global society - certain Children are possessed with what can only be described as a pre-determined giftedness. They are exceptional Children and soar when it comes to learning - many however are not so lucky and they appear at this point in time, to be the majority.

Gifted Children are often bored to tears in the regular classroom and need support from their parents - whether they receive that support is entirely up to their parents. I hear the word 'bored' the most. I hear it from all ages and even adults when they speak of their school years. Curricula needs to change - not just moved around to look like it is different but completely changed.

When a gifted Child is reaching all their cognition and all their synapses are being 'jumped over' and as many connections made as possible - that is a magnificent achievement. I want that for all Children and as long as push button devices are sapping their synapses of their true potential - we as a Global Society have a problem.

The topic of this thread is in all likelihood not an item of fake news. Have a look at a copy of the DSM-5 and see what is available as psychiatric labels for Children and see which areas refuse to assist until a Child is of a certain age.

I have responded to this thread as someone who cares about All Children - and - let's face it not All Children are reaching their full potential. Technology has a place but it is not helping everyone and when we fail to include everyone in the Big Picture - we are forgetting about those who need us the most.

Much Respect & Much Peace - Amanda

Emil El Zapato
21st April 2017, 14:16
yeah, I have to agree with your post and I agree with you... :)

I also think we have to be willing to embrace 'what is' without always taking a negative attitude towards it. Technology fits into 'what is' and we have to adjust and make it valuable and useful.

Maggie
21st April 2017, 14:33
yeah, I have to agree with your post and I agree with you... :)

I also think we have to be willing to embrace 'what is' without always taking a negative attitude towards it. Technology fits into 'what is' and we have to adjust and make it valuable and useful.

I think this is very important.
There is a way to use technology without it using us.

Personally I was always a book worm and preferred reading to sports and active skills growing up.

I did not really enjoy "extreme" activities that some really like (thrill seeking).

In the same vein, I think that dfferent people NOW have different basic interests and need encouragement to fill in the gaps.
I think that it is individually MOST harmful to walk around ****ed off at what one observes about the world.
I have met so many curmudgeonly judges including one within myself: Angry, full of contempt, full of recriminations.
That aspect NEEDS REHAB.

If a person has a child who is seeming to be too immersed in "computer" activity, then take that child out on a picnic or something.
If one sees "the collective" being WRONG, IMO then one should take oneself out on a picnic or something.

Emil El Zapato
21st April 2017, 14:38
Amen, I agree with you 100% Maggie

Amanda
22nd April 2017, 01:07
What an interesting thread this is becoming ...

Technology is here and I fully understand that and it has a place - as stated in my initial comments. There are Children/Students who are struggling and sometimes they have wonderful parents and sometimes not so wonderful. Sometimes a gifted Child/Student will soar with their own passion - some map out their lives and know exactly where they are going and what they will achieve.

I am thinking specifically of a young man who will be out of High School well before his peers, is already being mentored in a working medical clinic and is so intelligent the Principal called his father in and stated: We have never had such a gifted Student.The young man is well on his way to becoming a neurosurgeon.

Then I think of the wonderful parents of a young Child who was taken to three medical professionals and not one of them could discern what was holding the Child back from full and proper learning development. I was asked as a favour to work with the Child/Student and quickly discovered the issue. Progress is now being made. Highly intelligent but held back due to poorly trained professionals.

In both examples above - I know for a fact that books feature in both homes. I also know that electronic devices are available. The electronic devices can be helpful but they are not the 'complete' answer and do not hold the 'key' to intellectual competency.

When a Student works with me - they know they have to write by hand. Electronic devices are incorporated but they know that writing by hand is a skill I use as a base. When a person can write by hand they have a skill for life. When the electronic grid goes down - for whatever reason - my Students will be able to continue on.

All I know is what I have seen and experienced. I have seen Students struggle in the classroom due to government/school issue computers not being a reliable educational tool. Students have shown me how the computer system is unreliable. "The batteries don't hold energy for very long Miss" - these are the types of comments I have heard often.

So when a Child/Student can push through all the barriers - with or without parental assistance - that is all good and fine for them but what about all the others? I have watched many many many Children/Students flourish when they are given one on one support. The education system is not set up for a lone Teacher to properly assist each and every Child/Student I have had many many many Children/Students and Parents and concerned Adults agree with me.

Electronic devices can assist and be of benefit but they are not the answer to all learning styles. We are all individuals and all unique. Our learning styles are also unique to the individual. Grasping onto electronic devices and thinking they will provide all the answers to our problems is, shall I politely say, unrealistic. I have a huge admiration and respect for Computer Scientists and Computer Engineers but from where I am sitting - I see many many many Children/Students who need basic fundamental help. I will be here for them. This much I know - when the hunger for learning is awakened - whether it is engaged in via hand writing and reading books or pressing buttons: The Child/Student is ultimately the one who becomes the Teacher.

I shall watch and read through this thread with great respect for all comments.

Much Peace - Amanda

Maggie
22nd April 2017, 01:33
What an interesting thread this is becoming ...

Technology is here and I fully understand that and it has a place - as stated in my initial comments. There are Children/Students who are struggling and sometimes they have wonderful parents and sometimes not so wonderful. Sometimes a gifted Child/Student will soar with their own passion - some map out their lives and know exactly where they are going and what they will achieve.

I am thinking specifically of a young man who will be out of High School well before his peers, is already being mentored in a working medical clinic and is so intelligent the Principal called his father in and stated: We have never had such a gifted Student.The young man is well on his way to becoming a neurosurgeon.

Then I think of the wonderful parents of a young Child who was taken to three medical professionals and not one of them could discern what was holding the Child back from full and proper learning development. I was asked as a favour to work with the Child/Student and quickly discovered the issue. Progress is now being made. Highly intelligent but held back due to poorly trained professionals.

In both examples above - I know for a fact that books feature in both homes. I also know that electronic devices are available. The electronic devices can be helpful but they are not the 'complete' answer and do not hold the 'key' to intellectual competency.

When a Student works with me - they know they have to write by hand. Electronic devices are incorporated but they know that writing by hand is a skill I use as a base. When a person can write by hand they have a skill for life. When the electronic grid goes down - for whatever reason - my Students will be able to continue on.

All I know is what I have seen and experienced. I have seen Students struggle in the classroom due to government/school issue computers not being a reliable educational tool. Students have shown me how the computer system is unreliable. "The batteries don't hold energy for very long Miss" - these are the types of comments I have heard often.

So when a Child/Student can push through all the barriers - with or without parental assistance - that is all good and fine for them but what about all the others? I have watched many many many Children/Students flourish when they are given one on one support. The education system is not set up for a lone Teacher to properly assist each and every Child/Student I have had many many many Children/Students and Parents and concerned Adults agree with me.

Electronic devices can assist and be of benefit but they are not the answer to all learning styles. We are all individuals and all unique. Our learning styles are also unique to the individual. Grasping onto electronic devices and thinking they will provide all the answers to our problems is, shall I politely say, unrealistic. I have a huge admiration and respect for Computer Scientists and Computer Engineers but from where I am sitting - I see many many many Children/Students who need basic fundamental help. I will be here for them. This much I know - when the hunger for learning is awakened - whether it is engaged in via hand writing and reading books or pressing buttons: The Child/Student is ultimately the one who becomes the Teacher.

I shall watch and read through this thread with great respect for all comments.

Much Peace - Amanda

I felt a thrill at all the work you do with people. You sound so gifted to reach these children and so wise. Your dedication to child health and well being shines.

I sometimes think back with nostalgia to years before I was born. The late 30's maybe when there were still street cars and it seems there must have been such a very laid back rhythm. I could have maybe been a librarian in a huge library like maybe New York City. AS big city like New York then would have been so different than outside in the country where one could probably ride a train upstate?

I feel nostalgic for riding horses and for literacy being a valued achievement.
I imagine so much that makes me yearn for a less fraught time.

BUT I actually personally relish the internet for its very existence.
I don't have a smart phone but I have a laptop.
I am NOT totally immersed in the cyber extremes but LOVE the internet, kindle books and my cyber connection.

I cannot honestly say anything Universal about this time of life mode for human beings and others. It has been said that the chaos is purposeful and it seems so?
I can only report that I like my own lifestyle.

Isn't that an important point...is the person in question "happy" in her lifestyle?
THAT is IMO what we may work from...is this situation (anyone is in ) yielding happy days?
IF it is not, IMO we COULD be dedicated to discovering what this elusiveness might be? What is happiness?

The urge to understand a science of spirit is what I believe the zeitgeist is bringing us as an offering....there is a push about bringing matter and spirit together. If someone is not totally happy immersed in technology, then just by adding some grounded earth experiences, there could be a goodness of balance felt.

I am just not opposed to technology OR enhancements etc. To ME, people will choose a path and it can be used by them as their "permission slip" to grow and explore.

My "lifestyle" is my own no matter what... we all have one but they are NOT the same. even in a collective experience. I TRUST that each beiong is learning repsonsibility and I respect the idea of offering help to the "unhappy" feelings of daily life. There have been many days when the computer was my best friend. I would not be able to judge the value or definition of too much "being connected" by phone for anyone else.

If I were with someone whom I wished to know better, if that phone was an issue, then I'd have something to work with personally. That is where the issue gets important- interpersonal relationships.

Writing by hand sounds extremely powerful. It is a way to open an internal dialogue (like asking a question and writing an answer out). Thanks so much for your post! Maggie

Amanda
22nd April 2017, 02:09
Maggie et al: The mention of happiness. The mention of taking a Child out for a picnic to give them a taste of fresh air and no electronic devices. I see a world where happiness is available to everyone. I am fully engaged in my purpose - my purpose for being alive and on planet Earth. Many many many people are not engaged in their purpose and once a person finds that purpose - it makes life a whole lot more interesting.

It took me half my life to work out where I was meant to be - I was meant to be a Teacher. I became a Teacher and within what seemed like moments it was all taken from me - all due to making two Mandatory Reports in 2011. I fought the good fight as it is sometimes called and I won. I still have my Teacher registration although I still do not have my life restored.

I want to return to the topic of this thread - Children needing professional support for addictive behaviour that includes computer technology. Let's look at two examples and compare. One example is a Child who is continually online and engaging in computer technology. The 'addiction' is about being online. Second example is a Child who is online as much as example one but the engagement is more about learning.

Example One: The Child is engaging in games and social networks et cetera but not in a manner that is creating intellectual skills. Example Two: The Child has engaged in online technology and has learned how computers work - how to construct a computer - how to navigate the internal workings of a computer.

Let's now pose some questions shall we? Example One and Example Two. Let's ask both Children to answer some fundamental questions about technology? Let's ask them about the worldwideweb? Let's ask them to construct a hand written sentence about their favourite subject/activity/whatever?

The written answers and the verbal responses will elicit a result. What that result is, is a reflection of the developing psyche of the Child. Can either Child write a full and complete sentence in their own hand writing? Can either Child type a full and complete sentence that is grammatically correct and intellectually coherent? Can either Child speak in full and complete sentences?

The point I am trying to make is this: Whether a Child is addicted to being connected to technology is not the real issue - is it? The real issue would be the type of engagement? Pulling the plug on the electronic device so that the Child can go outside for fresh air and physical exercise would be equally important to both Children - yes or no?

Much Respect & Much Peace - Amanda

NB: Maggie - I don't see myself as wise. I see myself as a lifelong learner. The moment I became a Teacher - that moment I was in the classroom on my own: That is the moment I REALLY started to LEARN. Thank you for your kind words - some days they are very much akin to a drink of water in a desert. The battle is huge but it can be won. There is so much I cannot write/type about but please know that much is being accomplished.

Maggie
22nd April 2017, 02:51
Pulling the plug on the electronic device so that the Child can go outside for fresh air and physical exercise would be equally important to both Children - yes or no?.

Please keep sharing what you choose!

I think that the answer above is yes. The reason is that EVERYONE can benefit from plugging into nature. Nature is a grand healer. So, YES< insistently I suggest we all have time every day that is alone with nature. Even spending time with a potted plant is valuable. Sitting with nature helps IMo with what I call "lying in the field".

This is learning to relax in the energy that permeates everything. I THINK that once anyone learns this feeling, it will need encouragement. the sense can actually feel "too good" and hits all our striving unworthy pursuit tension. The tension of living everyday in "the world" is huge.

Along with feeling happiness, who is relaxed? Who is able just to let go into the "spirit" where the power to create resides? This presence will change us permanently and we will never forget it. We will search through eternity to be one with it. through many paths, we will return to just lie around in the field. STAY there. Then someday this will just be ENOUGH, to have all be well and no need to change anything at all.

We will profer intentions like pebbles dropped in a pool and the ripples will be in the "formless" while "in form" heaven becomes earth.

Learning to lie down in the field and do no thing at and have beingness be all and then to know its workings is the challenge of a lifetime. All paths lead to our home.


Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and right doing there is a field. I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass the world is too full to talk about. Rumi.

Emil El Zapato
22nd April 2017, 15:00
Hi Amanda, Maggie,

I'm no professional but I think the points you have made are exceptional. Both taken from the 'I' perspective and both having great value. The world needs much more of this in great amount.

In a way, they are analogical and antithetical at the same time. The one commonality is the desire for children to thrive. I share that passion but only as a concerned parent and fellow human being. It seems to me there are outliers in every aspect of existence, in this case, the outliers we have referred to as the 'gifted' and the other extreme we have referred to as failing children.

We should use every tool at our disposal to nurture fully functional, thoughtful, and thriving 'people'. We all have our ways of wanting to accomplish that.

Emil El Zapato
22nd April 2017, 21:00
Interesting, I read this today in a book totally unrelated to the topic...

Technology according to an article featured in OnlineCollege.org in 2012 says research indicates that I.Q.s are going steadily higher, problem solving skills are getting better. The drive for internet 'information' is stimulating the mind but what is startling is that 'memory skills' aren't as refined but the ability to 'access information' is better in the same fashion friends and family can enhance and bolster memory recall. Carl Jung postulated his notion of the 'Collective Unconsciousness' in the early 20th century and futurists suggest that what we are seeing is the actual manifestation of that principle in the form of the web.

I attended a presentation given by Jerry Pournelle the scifi writer, once upon a time and while I found him a very disconcerting individual he did say one thing that I could appreciate. "All kids are capable of learning!"

Amanda
23rd April 2017, 00:31
Some comments for all those who are interested in the contents of this thought provoking thread.

I refer as an 'Analogy' = from the Greek word = 'Ratio' rather that outliers. I see a mass of Students/Children/Life Long Learners who are scattered throughout, as those who are gifted. I have invariably encountered many many many Students/Children/Life Long Learners of all ages and commonality is this; Once 'Bullies' are removed from the scenario everyone is willing to help everyone. I have witnessed a classroom come alive with a shared passion. I have also witnessed 'Bullies' and they come in all shapes and ages. I do my best and it can be difficult to work with them both in a professional setting and a private setting. Let's face it they are everywhere.

Ethics is a word I want to mention at this point. Perhaps it can be superimposed upon the word antithetical or antithesis, meaning in direct contrast. Direct contrast to what? That is the question I ask myself.

My personal research indicates this: Unless any article relying on scientific research is based upon a massive control and a massive experiment group - as a solid method of comparison, the research could be (a) a constructed article to allay fears of many many many Parents/Teachers/Concerned Adults, (b) a company/corporation/multi national, with educational interests that bring about financial gain?????

In short, any article that makes a statement about technology and rising Intelligence Quotients needs to state how they come to that conclusion and upon exactly how many Students/People were included in the research. Was it 10 - 100 - 100,000 or a small selection from a particular town/school/random?????

It is all relative (the subject of this particular thread) and needs Lateral Thought - Critical Thought and Creative Thought.

It is interesting to note that the forefathers of psychoanalysis - Yung and Freud - were aligned, with regard to their thinking when forging a path of a new medical speciality. It is my understanding that Freud was paid to focus on sex and Yung remained true to his Spiritual/Emotional/Ethical credo. Freud and his focus have now seen sexuality totally incorporated into the media/entertainment/et cetera. A slow almost undetectable drip feed over the years and I see the results with regard to Students/Children along with our wider society.


I now make my way back to the topic of this thread and will state from a conscientious point of view; Children are now bombarded daily with electronic devices. Beam Ray technology with visuals, ie: television. Those of you who are interested: How many televisions and electronic devices with visual screens and push button devices do you have in your home?

How many of you regularly water an indoor plant? How many of you engage in nature with Children - your own or others - they are all important? I know of instances where it is the Child dragging the Parent/Adult by the arm to go outside.

Technology may help some but it is fraught with dangers and only those who think deeply, critically , laterally and creatively, will be able to use it successfully. There are those who know computer technology well and who have their ethics in place - there are others who have, shall I say as politely as I can, lack of any ethical qualities due to their focus on the financial aspect of what they do???? We live in a time of huge change. I will be there as both a Student and as a Teacher. Hand held devices will be incorporated but they will never replace the passion of a guiding Human Hand or a Human voice who states; 'Well done. Good for You.'

Oh my I am loving this thread. Please know I am keeping my mind open - not so open my mind falls out mind you but open. Thank you everyone - those who are visible and those who are not so visible.

Much Respect & Much Peace - As we seek all answers to all questions - Amanda