The Veritas Show August 2009 Part 2.
The Veritas Show August 2009. Part 2 The Member's section.
Host Mel Fabregas (Mel)
Guest Lou Baldin (Lou)
(Mel) Great stuff so far and I left the cliffhanger on purpose because we need a lot of time to discuss what's happening on the Moon
and I think Lou is probably a person, we can ask a few questions. Sometimes when you left the planet earth Lou and you went to Uranus,
is it Uranus or Neptune?
(Lou) Uranus.
(Mel) On the way back here you may have driven by if you will, for lack of a better term, by the Moon. What do you know about the Moon
that we don't know?
(Lou) Well the Moon is basically another planet, just a smaller version of what we have here on earth. I can't really go into what's
going on up there but there are obviously aliens up there, there are some humans up there.
(Mel) On both sides, the near side and the far side?
(Lou) Yes.
(Mel) Did we go to the Moon?
(Lou) Yes we did.
(Mel) I'm refering to Apollo, I'm not refering to the secret space program.
(Lou) Right, Apollo did go to the Moon 1969 it was all real.
(Mel) Which is something obviously that you and John Lear may not agree with.
(Lou) Correct.
(Mel) What was the reason why, in your opinion that we haven't returned? Next time we go back to the Moon, might be fifty years from
the first time, why?
(Lou) Basically the NASA part of it did end but we're up there, we're just not offically up there. The reason we've had this delay is
because they don't want... It was just a little bit more complicated to... Well for one, the human race is not ready for the Moon or
anywhere else.
(Mel) How so? Because the Moon seems and I've discussed this with John Lear, seems to be the command and control center, where we are
being observed. And of course the Moon behaves differently than other Moons and other Planets. Moons that rotate on their own axis,
this Moon does not rotate on it's own axis, it rotates around the Earth and keeps the same position looking down to us.
which to me sounds like it could be artifically made Lou?
(Lou) Well I mean it's made out of rock and all the stuff that makes up a lot of these huge Planets and Moons in this Solar System.
The moon is not to keep an eye on us down here. It's to keep an eye on some other entities.
(Mel) I heard that too, that the view from up there is much better than the view from down here.
(Lou) They're more free to operate up there, where down here it's just a little more complicated, since we've got the technology
that we have. You know obviously a couple of hundred years ago it was no big deal but the Moon is not being used to observe humans.
We're being observed right here, they don't have to observe us from up there.
(Mel) If that's the case that we went there and when Armstrong and Aldrin stepped on the Moon, they were greeted and told don't ever
come back. That's what we are told by some people.
(Lou) No it wouldn't have been through them, they're low level. It would have been through higher levels.
(Mel) More of a diplomatic fashion if you will?
(Lou) Exactly you know you don't have just the common people negotiating protocol.
(Mel) If they were here and they knew they're intentions and they saw the rocket going up, the Saturn rocket, why weren't we told
that before, if they knew what our intentions were?
(Lou) Oh because they wanted us to go up. I mean we didn't get the technology from no where. They gave us the technology to get there.
It's a what do you call it, a baby step. We're being preped humans, to go into not the galaxy but into the Solar System and...
(Mel) But that sounds contradicting, if at one point they say that your not ready for the moon but here they are giving us the technology
to go to the Moon.
(Lou) Well a little taste here and a little taste there. It was a big step for man to get there but financially we were not mature enough
to go there. We're talking a lot of money, money that the powers that were running things didn't think that it was appropriate to spend.
It was just a taste. It's a first step and in the scheme of things, even if it's fifty years later, maybe to us it's a long time but it's
not a long time at all.
(Mel) If they said whether in a diplomatic way, don't come back your not ready or whatever.
(Lou) That's just heresay.
(Mel) Sure but why then was Apollo twelve, forteen and so on allowed?
(Lou) That was just part of the first initiation, the wetting of the appetite. The knowledge was given to us that we are capable of going
to another planet but the technology to do it big time and for other reasons, was just not there and it won't be there for a little bit longer.
(Mel) So your saying that Apollo twelve and forteen and so on truly happened? Also I mean I had Edgar Mitchell on a few months ago and we
discussed it and we got disconnected on the phone when I asked him if he had seen something that NASA was not telling us. So just out of curiousity,
we are told not to go back, why did they allow us to go more than once is basically what I'm trying to say.
(Lou) Well like I said earlier we are still there unofficially, we never did stop but officially when we can go there, set up colonies officially,
hotels, gambling casinos what have you.
(Mel) (Laughs)
(Lou) You know we had Louis and Clark, they came out here, they spent some time with the Indians, they went up to Missouri, they did their thing
and after they did all their surveys and what have you, certain settlements moved in. You know technology is not instantaneous. Change in the
way we visualize, see the world, see the galaxy, the solar system, is not instantaneous. It's slow for a purpose. You know, you put into infrastructure,
you propagandize, you bring up the bar a little bit. It's that type of thing.
(Mel) How about the altered and smudged images on the Moon, Mars and maybe other planets. What's your take on that?
(Lou) What do you mean?
(Mel) The pitures that were taken, well let me first of all, let me say something else. The famous almost eight hundred cannisters of film that was lost
from Apollo. Were they really lost Lou?
(Lou) Does it matter? We're only going to see what we're allowed to see.
(Mel) So the best way to do this is by saying they got lost?
(Lou) Sure.
(Mel) Ok.
(Lou) Of course that's so absurd, why would someone loose such profound information but anyway, it doesn't matter.
(Mel) Now do you believe the fact that it was found in an abandoned or a closed Mc Donalds?
(Lou) Yes because that's where it was found.
(Mel) Right.
(Lou) That's where they put it.
(Mel) It's a difficult story for me to grasp, to know that they put that information if you will, from the most important moment in the history of human kind,
that we were able to leave our planet to visit another object and it then disappears. Same thing with the Clementine images. We've only seen ten percent out
of the ninety percent that's out there. Why are they hiding ninety percent of the one point eight million images, I believe there were?
(Lou) Let's say you've got a little family going on here, little children and you've got the adults. Do you share everything with the children? Would the
children understand? Would they be upset? Will they even give a crap?
(Mel) If I'm the child and I'm paying for it, I would give a darn. So we are the children paying for it don't you think?
(Lou) Ah not really no. No you know certainly we have this mindset that we have all this money, the government has all this money because they tax the people.
The things at these levels do not operate that way. I mean they do in your local community, where you've got property taxes to let the schools spoonge off of.
You've got cigarette taxes, you've got... But when your getting up into the...
(Mel) That's black ops?
(Lou) They don't really necessarily operate off of tax payer money. I mean they can print their own money if need be.
(Mel) I was just telling someone the other day Lou, about the two point three trillion dollars lost or admitted to be lost, days before september eleven.
My first job was at a grocery store when I was seventeen. I lost twenty dollars and was suspended for one week. If anyone had lost one hundred dollars or more
they would probably be prosecuted by law but these people lost two point three trillion and kept their jobs. Almost as if sending a signal to the population or
to the government saying hey, we lost two point three trillion nobody complained we can do it again and again right?
(Lou) Well yes we understand that the government wastes a lot of our money and we still keep voting in the same people. Do we really care? We do talk about it.
We do complain about it but when we sit down to make our votes, we usually vote for the same people but that's besides the point. We are focused most of the time,
on the wrong things.
(Mel) Distracted?
(Lou) Ok distracted and it works.
(Mel) That's their intent is what your saying, is to keep us distracted from what's really happening.
(Lou) Well don't you think everyone is distracted fairly well?
(Mel) Absolutely I think the majority of the people are still on the matrix. Anybody who listens to you and I right now are going to say, oh that's just a show for
crazy people. How can they even believe that?
(Lou) Exactly.
(Mel) That's ok, I'm ok with that because we can't change everybody's mentality, they're going to have to do that themselves. I used to be one of those, used to
criticize others who thought like I think now and to me that was part of the awakening moment. And to have you here discussing these topics without both of us being
ridiculed.
(Lou) (Laughs)
(Mel) I have a lot of questions from your fans Lou and one of them, "all our verbal and non verbal communications are monitored by the gods. I prefer to call them ETs."
You said that Lou. I and this comes from me, have a simular background. We both come from a Roman Catholic family, we went to a Catholic school and had our encounters
with the Nuns, that sort of thing. Did you ever discuss religon with the aliens?
(Lou) Yes the only religon that exists is for us and it's down here. It's just basically to like I said earlier, to institutionalize us, to give us a focus on
a particular idea. Basically what this planet is all about. There is no religon as far as higher up on other... It's just part of the furniture on planet earth.
Earth type planets and there are billions of them, standard proceedure on most of the planets that are like earth. I mean there are many levels, like you've got
education, we've got grade school, we've got high school, we have college. You've got different levels of understanding, of awareness on different types of planets.
Planet earth is pretty much in the dark about everything.
(Mel) People like me and like most of our listeners who have an open mind and who would love to have contact. I believe that we are ready to experience an uplift if you
will, in the way we see things. Now are aliens our creators and do they consider themselves gods?
(Lou) No they are not gods and they are not our creators. They have manipulated DNA, they have created our bodies, that's just a function. Just like an auto worker on
an assembly plant, they put these cars together the assembly people. The aliens put us together, they do not have anything to do with the soul. The soul is of a higher
order and it's dealt with by way up higher entities, than what we have around here.
(Mel) So do aliens believe in a soul creator and who created the aliens by the way?
(Lou) Well a lot of religions or a lot of the ideas down here, have the idea of a beginning and an end. There was no beginning and there is no end. There was no
beginning of the universe, there was no big bang. There will not be a collapse certain billion years from now because there's not enough mass. Well because we can't
find their dark matter. Everything has always been this way, it's just that people in the 3D zone cannot conceptualize anything without a beginning or an ending.
We need a beginning and an ending. That's a very low level dimension idea.
(Mel) It's our concept of time and space.
(Lou) Yes there is no such thing as time, it's only a concept, it's only an idea. And space yes, there's plenty of space out there.
(Mel) So were the beings you were in contact with, I know they changed in the way they looked. Example Milton who looked like a regular average 40 year old but then you
saw him as he looked like. Were the beings you were in contact with all the same and if so, were they the usual greys?
(Lou) Absolutely not. Each being was very unique, some more bizarre than the other.
(Mel) Bizarre in our perspective?
(Lou) Yes in our perspective but also in reality. I mean there are so many levels and layers of higher beings, lower beings and we're stuck with the 3D perspective,
which really limits us as far as understanding and grasping a lot of what's going on.
(Mel) Right and I'm guilty of that because I'm from here and I have my own perspective, without having been exposed to what you have been exposed to. And to people like
you this may sound trivial. Many speculate that just as we've sent probes to other planets, the greys are biodrones sent here to do a job and that's why they lack
emotion. Others say they are living feeling beings with a soul, just different than us. Could you give us your opinion on this?
(Lou) Well many of the greys are basically just droids, machines doing a monotonous job that no one else wants to do. The first contactee and in many cases the only
contact that a lot of abductees will have, would be through these types of machines. Souless, uncaring...
(Mel) That was my question, no souls?
(Lou) No souls, they've got their job to do and that's what they do but a higher being can enter into anything. They can enter into one of these machines, they can
create their own, they can become a grey if they wish to. So if you find yourself cornered by a grey, you don't know if it's just a plain jane unthinking machine or if
it's occupied by something higher, not that it would matter.
(Mel) Right exactly, so they have their workers do the, I don't want to call them dirty deeds but they're sent like we send probes to other planets. Like the ones we
have on Mars now.
(Lou) They're much more than probes. I mean they would be much smarter than we are and capable of making decisions and they know exactly what they are going to do and
if something should happen, they could handle it.
(Mel) Because they have maybe millions of years of more advanced evolution if you will.
(Lou) As well as of course, there's no such thing as evolution, it's just a stage, we're at this stage and they bring us up to the next stage but everything has already
existed. I mean when we had cowboys and indians running around playing with bows and arrows and repeaters, there was space travel, there was people flying around in
spaceships. Stuff has always existed, there is nothing new under the sun.
(Mel) By the way when I say the word evolution, I don't use it in a darwinian sense, I use it in more of a stage/phase that you progress.
(Lou) Exactly progress.
(Mel) Now this question comes from someone you know and you may know who he is, I'm not going to say his name. He asks about the Critters, Critters are the... Let's
give a bit of background for our listeners. Critters are the plasma or other energy creatures that live in our atmosphere and in space and in my opinion make up about
eighty percent of the UFO sightings. I used to think that the big UFO groups did not consider this but recently an exchange with one of them, one of the main MUFON
hands, she agreed with me that in her personal opinion fifty percent or more of sightings are in fact Critters. (Quote from her) "A remote viewing team that I sent to
Venus gave me some interesting results on critters that I cannot share yet because the report was confidentual. What happened is the team did not expect what they saw
and are concerned. The problem was there was no way to send them to Venus without naming the target but that was all, I guess they had preconcieved ideas about the
conditions on Venus as do most". So my question to Lou would be, what is your opinion on these Critters. Do you know if they can directly communicate with us or are
merely aware and curious like watchers?
(Lou) I'm not aware of any Critters, i'm not sure what or where they're coming from or who the questioner is or where they're coming from. There are a slew of alien
type beings that do come and go from planet Earth to other planets. Some legally, some illegally but to call them Critters, I don't know maybe all aliens are Critters.
(Mel) That takes me to the STS videos from Martin Stubbs, you know what I'm talking about right?
(Lou) No.
(Mel) The videos that the Space Shuttle took where you can actually see the craft moving around. There's the Tether incident. There's the incident where one craft is
moving to the left and then a flash of light appears and then a rail gun goes up and the object moves to the right, at incredible speeds that could only be if the craft
was turning into a liquid. Otherwise they couldn't be able to remain physical. Do you know what I'm referring to?
(Lou) You know there's alien ships all over the place. I mean if someone turned a switch on and you could see them, everyone would have a heart attack. I mean these
beings are everywhere, they've got their nose into everything, some of them are hostile some are not.
(Mel) Why are we trying to shoot them down if that's what my analysis of that footage is and other experts? I'm not saying I'm an expert, I'm saying them.
(Lou) Well for one thing, we can't shoot them down. We can obviously shoot at them, we do that all the time.
(Mel) I'm referring to the video that comes supposedly from a rail gun coming from Pine Gap Australia.
(Lou) Ok I'm really not familiar with that but the fact is there are alien beings that are not supposed to be in this planet or around this planet. A lot of the stuff
that we have on the Moon and stuff that's also in orbit around this planet is to monitor some of these beings, their comings and goings and relay some of this
information to other...
(Mel) Your talking about multiple platforms that we have, not just the international Space Station but we have a few more...
(Lou) Well heck yes the international Space Station is just a little toy gadget up there to keep us excited about space.
(Mel) As John Lear says, the space shuttle leaves and it takes seventy two hours for rest and relaxation and docking on the Space Station but in reality, they go to
unload cargo at the other platforms.
(Lou) Well we have many ways to get stuff into space that most people are totally out of the loop on. We don't really even need to tinker with the toys that we are
aware of. That's just for us to focus and get excited about space. Because you know that's our next frontier, that's where the world economies will explode, when we get
full blown into gear, to get into the Moon, then go to Mars and then maybe build a few posts here and there.
(Mel) Wouldn't that be great, to spend our resourses into something that's going to really help human kind as opposed to getting into endless wars.
(Lou) Well that's the next stage, it's already in the works.
(Mel) Now how about undersea bases, did you ever visit any of them?
(Lou) Yes the undersea is still an area where you can do stuff that most humans can't, don't have access to. So any place that humans have no access or a little access
to, that's where most of it's going on. I mean if you... a couple of hundred years ago it was out in the open because there wasn't a lot of people running around and
those that did run into such a thing, would not have known what the hell they were looking at. So it was no big deal.Yes there is a huge population in certain places on
this planet.
(Mel)The Dulce battle 1979, Phil Schneider. do you know what I'm talking about?
(Lou) Yes.
(Mel) Did that really happen?
(Lou) Refresh my memory.
(Mel) Phil schneider geologist from the... A contractor for the military was sent down a hole...
(Lou) Ok yes.
(Mel) Oh it did happen?
(Lou) It did happen.
(Mel) The details that we got, how he got shot and how he lost some digits and all that was true?
(Lou) Well I don't have all the details on that but...
(Mel) Basically what I'm trying to ask is do you believe his story because everybody that knows the story knows that supposedly he was found suicided. He committed
suicide actually. You don't want to say much about the story?
(Lou) No I don't.
(Mel) Ok how about Lou, someone heard you say, this is the same person that knows you. Someone heard you say the Sun was pregnant. Right now local space pretty messed
up with the lowest solar wind ever and holes in the magnetic fields of Earth. So when is he Sun due and I guess that's kind of a humorous question in a way.
(Lou) (Laughs) Well you know it's not like a nine month deal and I don't know if it's due anytime soon but...
(Mel) Well what do you mean when you say the sun is pregnant?
(Lou) Basically the planets all came from the sun. They were all spit out from the Sun. All the planets we have in the solar system, everything we have in our solar
system, was birthed from the Sun and everything that we will have in the future in the Solar System, will be birthed from the Sun. It's also true with Moons the great...
The gas giants that we call Jupiter, Saturn, even Uranus and Neptune, they also produce Moons.
(Mel) What other planets aside from Earth are inhabited Lou?
(Lou) Are you speaking in the Solar System?
(Mel) In our solar system yes.
(Lou) Every single planet is inhabited, not specifically like we, Earth is inhabited. Every planet, every moon has beings that are on it, not necessarily cities and
stuff like that. Some of the activity is underground and some in certain caverns. There are human type beings in certain planets, on certain moons. There is a lot of
activity going on in the solar system and we humans zero knowledge about them because for one thing, it would through off the concepts that we have, that's been
instilled in us.
(Mel) In the majority of us, let's make it clear.
(Lou) In the majority yes.
(Mel) I consider myself in the minority and probably you too?
(Lou) (Laughs)
(Mel) By the way speaking of the eleven year solar cycles, I've mentioned that september eleven 1990 was a solar minimum and president Bush 41 uttered the new world
order words, during that speech and exactly eleven years later September eleven 2001 we had a solar maximum. What do we expect September eleven 2012 or 2012? Do you
have any information from Milton or your friends that you can share?
(Lou) Well I did go on record saying it was 2013 we need to be worried about. (Laughs)
(Mel) What your saying is nothing is going to happen in 2012 is what your saying.
(Lou) No nothing that anyone is going to notice or be aware of. The vast majority will continue to be still asleep. Things happen every day and you know most people
are totally unaware of what's going on. 2012 the Mayan calender and all that, entente, nothing.
(Mel) So nothing and the reason why I ask is because people say it's going to be another Y2K but if that's the case then, i just try to find a confluence of things that
are happening. We have this seed vault in Norway being financed almost exclusively by the Vatican and you can fit thousands and thousands of people there too. We hear
of the underground bases in the U.S being built, supposedly to keep the elite and keep the scientists, so that when things get better they can all come out. Is that...
(Lou) All paranoiya. The seed thing is totally not relevant. We've got seeds all over the place, not just the Vatican. I mean there are many vaults out there and
including the aliens. I mean they could sprinkle their seeds all over the place if they want to. It's not like we're going to lose our means for production, food
production it's not going to happen. As far as bases underground for the elite and what have you, well yes there's certainly lots of bases underground but they're not
constructed for the elite. I mean it certainly...You know back when everybody was worried about 2000, you know how many farmers had built underground shelters for
themselves, for what? They wasted a lot of their time. It's just paranoiya, propaganda and means absolutely nothing.
(Mel) Speaking of the Vatican, why would the Vatican spend so many millions of dollars in one of the largest telescopes in Arizona, looking for allegedly Wormwood?
Do you know anything about that?
(Lou) Well you know they're wasting their time.
(Mel) Really?
(Lou) There's no Wormwood.
(Mel) Well that's what they call it in the bible.
(Lou) Yes well the bible is fiction, the bible is metaphor, it's allegory and those who don't undestand metaphor and allegory, they've missed the whole story.
(Mel) And how about the Vatican underground vaults that are not accessable to the public, what is it that they keep so much security?
(Lou) It's all pedafile stuff.
(Mel) Hey you said that I didn't.
(Lou) Oh boy they're going to come after me on that one. Oh just kidding.
(Mel) (Laughs) In your opinion how correct, you know Steven Greer, Bob Dean, Steven Basett and all those people. In your opinion how correct... How close are they to
the truth?
(Lou) I think I will not comment.
(Mel) Are you referring to all of them?
(Lou) Yes it's not for me to say.
(Mel) Is my interpretation, I'm going to take a chance here. Do you think that's disinformation that's coming out?
(Lou) I think I will not comment.
(Mel) Ok alright you said quote and I'm going to move faster because we're running out of time but I want to be able to ask you the questions your fans have sent to me.
Even one that came in about a minute ago. Quote many ETs have thousands of millions of years on us. Don't you think that they could simply create or make any DNA they
need? DNA is complex for us but not for them. They do manipulate our DNA for us, they also use it on intermediate species, human alien breeds." How do you feel about
that Lou?
(Lou) Well they manipulate DNA basically for the reason i said earlier. When they're creating bodies for particular souls. Now there are evil beings who are also doing
this stuff and there are good beings who also are doing this stuff and there are good beings and they have been cleared to do that. To use DNA as they see fit.
(Mel) And how about the supposed junk DNA that we have, is there a purpose for that junk DNA?
(Lou) There is a purpose for all DNA. Just because we haven't identified that particular purpose doesn't mean that it's junk.
(Mel) Or the fact that we only use a small percentage of our brain.
(Lou) We use all our brain and that's just simply not enough because it's a 3D brain (Laughs) You know you can only do so much with 3D, you've got to go up a little,
you've got to push the envelope to the forth level, to the five, six and seventh. Most humans are incapable of doing that.
(Mel) Another one something you said quote " Much of what goes on in the ship, stays in the ship. Sometimes I have a clear understanding of everything i did but when I
try to put it on paper, can't make it happen, nor can I verbalize it." This person says i'm familiar with this kind of phenomenon. Question what do you attribute this
inability to recall. How do you internally rationalize it or have you ever been filled in on the other details of this inability to speak of the events?
(Lou) I sometimes have to put it in those types of words because... A lot of the stuff that I talk about is, I hate to put it this way but dumbing it down because even
as it's dumbed down, it's perposterous for many people. The fantastic stuff that exists all around us and of course the ships is just mind boggling and of course to go
there, you enter the world of the absurd.
(Mel) Try us with one example.
(Lou) (Laughs) Well the Sun being pregnant. I had people who said well I believed what you were talking about until you mentioned that.
(Mel) Oh but I think that you may have said that not literally. What you probably meant to say was yes, all these planets came out of the Sun because there's infinate
energy coming out of the Sun and ...
(Lou) No I meant it literally. The Sun spits out the planets literally and of course you know just such a statement puts me into the lunacy bin.
(Mel) Then to those who proclaim your a lunatic by saying this and us by association, is there anything you can tell us here that might be not jeopardize yourself, your
loved ones, your life, can be somewhat of a smoking gun for any skeptic out there that still wonders. What can you tell us?
(Lou) A whole bunch but I'm not.
(Mel) Is there anything that may not jeopardize you that you can share and it's not...
(Lou) It's not that I'm concerned about being taken out. I'm not concerned at all. For other reasons.
(Mel) Ok I notice that Sleeper and by the way folks that's the psuedonym that Lou uses in the forums, mentioned that you had been dropped off in a small Italian town on
October seven 1952. I think you answered the question. I would like to know what you meant by this exactly. Is this his birth date or is there another explanation. I
think you answered that at the beginning of the show, am I right?
(Lou) That was my birthdate.
(Mel) That was your birthdate?
(Lou) Yes that's when my body was born.
(Mel) Right and he has a second question. Why do you believe that you are not an Earth native? Do you have some cooberating information perhaps from your parents?
(Lou) Well it's not that I believe that I'm not an Earth native. I mean I came over here in a ship and the ship remained for a couple of weeks. I was introduced to
planet Earth and then to the baby that I would become. That's not a belief, that's just what happened.
(Mel) Here's another one quote you also say that there is also information that you cannot divulge. just like what we were talking about a minute ago. It's hard to
tell, many other experiencers explain that we are going to be "introduced on a planetary scale to a larger universe and other ET societies soon and you responded Lou "
I can say that there are elements that want to make a statement to the people of Earth but they so far have been kept in check. I know why but the reasons aren't going
to hold water for those thirsty for full disclosure." Question who has kept these ET factions in check and why?
(Lou) I can't say but I also can't say that disclosure will not happen period. Not full disclosure.
(Mel) Not full disclosure meaning slow drip process?
(Lou) Meaning it's always going to be a personal disclosure, they take you aside and they do things with you. There's not going to be an awakening and we're going to
know that we are part of a galactic mankind type of deal no.
(Mel) I'm going to move more rapidly with the questions. you say that there are disagreements with ETs. Could you explain a bit more on what the disagreements are and
why they occur and over what?
(Lou) Well there are many ETs that are kind of a criminal element, that have been on this planet for eons and many of them have been removed, isolated or destroyed but
they still do have offspring and so it's an on going situation. We go to wars...
(Mel) And those that remain here the offspring are those what are known as reptillians or could be anything?
(Lou) Some of them... The reptilians are not part of what I've just spoken of.
(Mel) Ok you don't think the Bush family is reptilian?
(Lou) No not even the Queen.
(Mel) Really so all that stuff is bunk?
(Lou) Yes.
(Mel) This one, I'm curious about your "job" can you say what your job is, if not then will you be able to say at some point? And you responded a segment of my job is
leaking info, helping raise the curtain a few notches and there are elements in the ET ranks that don't want even that little bit out. The question is why are there
"some ETs who resist various kinds of info from leaking out into the public and becoming public knowledge." Could you expand a bit on this topic?
(Lou) If people knew why we were here, it would almost be like having the answers to the test. Naturally I've been out there talking about this stuff, giving the
answers to the test but the vast majority will not buy it. So I'm allowed to do it.
(Mel) Now why do you believe or feel that you are in a privilaged position to do that?
(Lou) I was told.
(Mel) By them?
(Lou) Yes.
(Mel) Alright someone asked Lou an interesting question about Lou's quote "job in speaking out" also how do you know when your job is done? Lou responded
"I'll get a pink slip" and you laughed about it of course "and they'll pull me out dead or alive." Question why do you believe you will recieve a "pink slip" to be
put out either "dead or alive". What do you mean exactly. Why are you treated with hostility or life threatning illusions for doing your "job", even when you get
approval to release information?
(Lou) Well for one thing the only way to get off this planet is to die, expire, be killed off what have you. Eventually that's how I will get my pink slip.
(Mel) I heard you say somewhere that suicide does not count, for the mere suicide. It could be for health reasons or something else but general suicide does not count.
Is that correct?
(Lou) Well suicide is obviously a thing of despiration and all suicides are basically, they are judged by those that know what's going for the person who commits
suicide. They'll just reinsert us into another body if the reason was not acceptable. Yes there are people who terminally ill who are not doing suicide as a selfish
act. Other reasons that people choose to end their life but you know that's determined by higher beings.
(Mel) someone told me that when you die the soul goes to what's called a source and then it gets recycled into the determined container. Does that make sense to you?
(Lou) This is a big area, I mean it depends on the person, the soul, where they're going and why they're going. If they're moving up. There is no necessarily one area.
It just depends on where you are going from here and that will determine where you go. There is a main area for most people. A lot of people instantly go from here to
another place, back to this planet or to another planet.
(Mel) What happens when somebody dies tomorrow of you know, old age, natural causes. What happens to that soul at that moment, where does it go to?
(Lou) Well it depends on where the destination is, if it's going up or if it's going down and I'm not talking about heaven and hell, Im just talking about where it was
integrity wise.
(Mel) Right but is there a second point where it stops and that decision is made or is that instantaneous, it goes into another planet, dimension body?
(Lou) We instantly will go to another place of existance, could be a planet, it could be some higher dimension.
(Mel) This one " I like having my three squares a day, yet I don't recall ever eating or drinking while I was in possession by the aliens." Did you ever eat, drink or
sleep during any of your experiences? I know the waffers...
(Lou) Well stuff that I haven't talked about yet and the account of A Day with an Extraterrestrial is just one facet.
(Mel) Right but did you ever drink or sleep or is it because you don't exert energy, when there's no gravity?
(Lou) Inside a Spaceship?
(Mel) Yes so you never drank or ate while on a Spaceship because what you breathe was sufficient for your body to function even in water?
(Lou) Well for one thing, you know food and drink as we do it now, we do it because... Mostly out of necessity. Of course some of us over do it but there is the
pleasure element. On other planets you still consume food, sometimes it's just for pleasure.
(Mel) So I take it for example the planet Uranus... Tell me what the planet looks like, how the people live, how society works.
(Lou) Well I kind of went into a little detail in the book. i didn't really want to expand on it at this stage.
(Mel) You mean extra than what you said in the book, is what your saying.
(Lou) Yes.
(Mel) Ok so when you were returned, do you ever feel hungry or sleepy from a long trip?
(Lou) I don't know, not any more than I usually do. I mean you know, you wake up, your hungry, sometimes you don't want to wake up.
(Mel) What happened during the time you were gone. You were supposedly at work or you were supposedly sleeping. Did it ever occur to any of your relatives or you
collegues, that you were not around and wonder where you were?
(Lou) Nope I spend a lot of my days back then and even to this day and no one knows where I am.
(Mel) Time wise and sometimes you feel like days but it's only a matter of minutes or hours. Is that still the case?
(Lou) Rephrase that.
(Mel) Ok when your, I don't won't to use the word taken but your taken for a ride if you will with Milton or somebody else and sometimes you feel like you are there for
days but when you come back, it's maybe minutes or hours. Is that still the case or do you disappear?
(Lou) That's still the case.
(Mel) So obviously they manipulate or concept of what we call time?
(Lou) Well we understand that time exists, when in reality it doesn't and when you enter a different element of dimension...
(Mel) See that's the part I want to try to understand. You leave for what seems to you to be three, four days and then you come back and it's only three minutes.
I'm trying to grasp and comprehend that.
(Lou) Ahh good luck.
(Mel) (Laughs) Good luck trying to understand it.
(Lou) Exactly.
(Mel) (laughs) Do you have a layman's explaination for the common man?
(Lou) Yes time is an illusion.
(Mel) Right but if five days are happening to you when your up there and five minutes are happening here, that's the part that I find a big disconnect.
(Lou) And I can understand why because you are existing in a three dimensional world but when you move out of the three dimensional world, Physics as we
understand it, you know space time baloney (Laughs) is all you have. You know Einstien was correct a little bit but even he was unable to explain higher dimensions.
(Mel) Were any amenities ever provided to you that indicate you were actually aboard a ship or craft?
(Lou) You mean stuff that I could take home?
(Mel) Yes.
(Lou) I think I will not answer that one.
(Mel) So what you said about what's in the craft, stays in the craft... Something may have fallen into your pocket is what your saying?
(Lou) I wouldn't say that.
(Mel) (Laughs) Leave it to our imagination. There's a background on the following question sometimes it has been noted that abductees and contactees or other general
experiencers noticed that they have a " wild ride" with ETs but their spouse or significant other may recount they were sleeping in bed normally and in some cases see
strange phenomena surrounding them. One exopolical friend has told me that these kinds of situations may involve what are called VRS virual reality senarios.
Meaning while their mind is experiencing something fantastic their body is not. Sometimes I believe it may evident that they never left their bedroom or car because
they don't seem to have any hunger or bowel movements to take care of, maybe not even in sleep in some cases. Sometimes they wake up after an event rather than
continuing with their lives, from where they left off. How often have you noticed that you "wake up" after an experience and do you ever see physical traces of having
left your home, car etcetera.
(Lou) Physical traces?
(Mel) Yes.
(Lou) No there's usually none.
(Mel) Totally clean and if your sleeping next to your wife, has it ever felt awkward? You know when one of those moments when your gone or is she just completely
asleep?
(Lou) Well if I'm physically gone she would never know.
(Mel) Oh so you leave in two different ways, you'll leave physically and non physically sometimes?
(Lou) Yes.
(Mel) Ok because what we talked about, your can we call it soul?
(Lou) Yes.
(Mel) Now astral projection and outer body experience, is there a correlation between the soul leaving the body and those two terms?
(Lou) Yes the soul does leave the body.
(Mel) Can you do that voluntarily by getting into a trance or altered state?
(Lou) Only if you have an assistant.
(Mel) Only if you have an assistant but you cannot do it yourself but you cannot do it yourself.
(Lou) You cannot do it yourself.
(Mel) And when you say assistant can you specify what you mean by an assistant?
(Lou) Well an assistant is a you know, some call them spirit guides or angels or what have you. We all have somebody who's constantly around us or watching us.
It would be such entities that will allow or disallow such a thing.
(Mel) Now it is only one or can somebody have more than one?
(Lou) Yes you can have more than one.
(Mel) More than one and I'm trying to grasp what a guide is. It's a form of energy, invisable enery to us humans.
(Lou) It's not something that you would die and become a guide. It's something that you would... You know and it's not like youu know we are baby sitters and we're
there all the time, for the child we are caring for. A guide can be someone a family member, someone we've known in the past. That has passed away. It could be a higher
being than just a regular soul.
(Mel) The word guide means guidence so they provide some kind of guidence. In other words do they stop you not moving forward if there's a car coming and it's going to
kill you?
(Lou) Or they can push you infront of the car.
(Mel) Or they can push you infront of the car?
(Lou) They sure can.
(Mel) Now why would they do that, because they need your soul somewhere else?
(Lou) It was your time to go.
(Mel) Right interesting quote " Our probes only show what those in charge want shown, plus many other cities on other planets that I have seen can easily be
camoflauged." Could you explain what you mean by camoflauge, hows it done according to you?
(Lou) Very easily I mean we are stuck in three dimensions, anything above that is a camoflauge.
(Mel) Because we can't see it?
(Lou) Exactly.
(Mel) That's why we need night vision goggles, to see what's happening above our heads sometimes right?
(Lou) If you see something above your head.
(Mel) Right also according to your... How does your memory, your fantastic travels get blocked? What is it, how is it done, is it done with your foreknowledge or is
it sprung onto you?
(Lou) It's not done with my knowledge at least not all the tiime. They you know... I'm just like everybody else, I get the curtain raised a little bit or not.
(Mel) And that depends on what?
(Lou) That depends on what I'm doing.
(Mel) Ok
(Lou) Or supposed to be doing.
(Mel) Now is there anything different special or unique about our Earth and the life forms here in comparison to other habitable worlds out there?
(Lou) Nothing, nothing special and absolutely nothing unique. Just like a cherry tree, you pull one cherry off the tree and you've still got all the cherries up there.
The cherries are all alike on that particular tree.
(Mel) So there are more prison planets then, we're not the only prison planet.
(Lou) Exactly there are many.
(Mel) And the purpose of being a prison planet, is it so we can advance?
(Lou) Yes.
(Mel) So I'm sure these more advanced beings that you came in contact with may have made mistakes in the past in order to advance, to where they are now. Me Mel, if I
had a question to ask one of these beings or you Lou, I would ask just that. What could we learn from your mistakes in order to advance. Did you ever discuss this with
them Lou?
(Lou) The advancement is very simple and extremely difficult. It is basic, eliminate hate, don't blame anybody for your problems. You know love is the deal.
All of us are capable of doing those things occasionally but most of us keep falling off the turnip truck. You know it's really hard to stay focused, not be envious,
not be hateful, give everybody the benefit of the doubt because we are surrounded by people who don't do that.
(Mel) Right a defence mechanism.
(Lou) We fall back into line. those who are capable to stay focused will move up.
(Mel) What happens to somebody and I'm talking about this plane on Earth, somebody who wants to really advance and no ego, no hate, no selfishness etc. What happens if
that person is so kind and giving, that others take advantage of that person and then the survival mechnism kicks in and as you say, you fall off the turnip truck but
otherwise the person ceases to exist?
(Lou) You know that's a situation that most of us fall into. We do not have the where with all to stay the course and it's a slow process. It takes some people a long
time to figure it out but the universe is infinate and we have this thing called time that does not exist. which means if it takes a hundred lifetimes to figure to
figure this out, then your going to spend a hundred lifetimes trying to figure it out. No one's going to shove it down your throat. It's got to come from the heart and
it's got to be real. We can't fake it, we can't bribe it, we can't buy it, we can't sell it. If it's not real, it ain't going up. It will stay here or it will go down.
(Mel) So what happens to somebody who lives their life, whether good or bad but they learn their mistakes in their death bed and all of a sudden they, can I use the
word reincarnate or their soul is transfered to another container.
(Lou) It's too late if you learned it on your death bed. You've got to practice it.
(Mel) But what happens if they go into another container. What is the reason for no recollection if you remember your mistakes in the past, you won't make them again.
(Lou) Well that would be kind of cheating. To really know somebody or you know... If you know why your doing the time, if you know the crime obviously that would be
easy to focus but you know, in the universe they want purity, they don't want half assed, well ok I'll try to give it another shot, I know I screwed up fifty times
before but this time I'm really into it. No that's not going to cut it. To know if your really sincere, you've got to start with a blank slate.
(Mel) So somebody who maybe grows up with a silver spoon and has a privilaged life dies and all of a sudden is born in a third world country living in sub par
conditions. There is a reason why that person was appointed if you will.
(Lou) Happens all the time.
(Mel) Now you cannot transfer your soul to a non human. I mean an animal or can you?
(Lou) You can't but you can be transfered into an animal or into a blade of grass if they wish to put you there.
(Mel) So a gorilla does not have a soul.
(Lou) No, nope.
(Mel) Alright another listener says so much information is off limits and you will not comment on that. Lou like most areas in this field there is little to no
supporting evidence. It's hard to accept such information without some degree of evidence, even a tidbit. to that extent you may wish to ask is there anything that he
could add that could be verified, maybe in the near future even?
(Lou) Well you've got pronosticators up the rear end. There's no shortage of them and I'm not one of them. Just putting it out there.
(Mel) You know Lou, our new sloagan is disclosure one guest at a time and the fact that your here with us is maybe a sign disclosure is happening or am I just
speculating?
(Lou) Hey you know everyone has a shot at disclosure if they want it.
(Mel) Ok here's another one, have you had any other experiences like the one you describe in your book, in A Day with an Extraterrestrial. If so can you tell us a bit
more about that please or are you writing a book about it as well?
(Lou) I have many and I'm not presently writing about them. In the future if i get off my kiester I might write about them.
(Mel) (Laughs) You said therefore this world is a crazy place where police need criminals, where hospitals and doctors need sick people, where fire fighters need fires
and Psychiatrists need paranoid people and turmoil. Otherwise they are out of a job and out of business. this world operates on the pain and suffering of people, where
many of the sheep go willingly to the slaughter." How about the civilization types from zero through type five. Can you elaborate on this and can we get to type one if
what you mention is true?
(Lou) I'm not sure I understand your question.
(Mel) Well you talked about how in order for doctors to survive they need disease.
(Lou) Correct.
(Mel) In law enforcement to survive they need crime. So speaking of civilization types, I always ask this question to the scientifically reinaired guests Lou.
The current power structure in place and what you mentioned where war, disease and other free energy needed for them to survive. How could we ever get from type zero
to type one civilization?
(Lou) Well it's not in the works. Not for this planet, not for this type of planet. this planet is designed the way you read in the newspaper and the quotes you just
gave me.
(Mel) Your saying no chance to advance to a type one is what your saying.
(Lou) No.
(Mel) Well that's a very pessimistic outlook isn't it?
(Lou) It's only pessimistic if your not buying everything else I've said. If your not buying what I said and most of the stuff that we've talked about, then it's you
know doom and gloom, you know there's no hope for us but the fact is there are Utopia planets out the rear, all over the place and there are people who graduate from
this planet and go and live in Utopia and Utopia is not the highest you can go, I mean it's just mid level. It gets better the higher up you go. You know we're trying
to improve a prison. Prison sucks, you cant improve on it. If you have absolutely no freedom and just because you can fly to Vegas or to Rome in an aeroplane, that
doesn't mean you are free. That means you can't leave this planet. You can't leave this planet until someone says you can leave this planet and if your going up to a
better life or your going down to a worse life or your going to stay here to a simular life, that's it.
(Mel) It almost sounds like a religious statement Lou by saying you may go to Utopia if you behave.
(Lou) Or heaven.
(Mel) Exactly your going to go to heaven if you behave. What's the difference?
(Lou) Well you know the religion is not completely off base. In religion in secular ideas, concepts there's a lot of truth, It's just what truth do you want to accept.
Now to say well I believe in this deity therefore I'm going straight up, sorry that's bullshit. If your a crappy person you ain't going anywhere, I don't care who you
believe in.
(Mel) You say everyone is capable of communicating with the extraterrestrials. We all have a built in transmitters and they simply pick up our brain waves. So your
saying that every person on this planet Lou has a different and special frequency almost like a finger print. So you can tell us how this is done.
(Lou) Well how's a fingerprint done? I mean it's put in there and every soul is a fingerprint and of course fingerprints are not one hundred percent unique but souls
are and souls have their own vibration, their own frequency. There is no chance of screwing it up, they know who you are. No buracracy is going to mess you up. It's
what you are, is what you are and that's it and they know, at least the higher beings do, they know what your up to every second of your life.
(Mel) We're coming up to our last couple of questions. This listener says and I believe listener you can get more information, description and explaination of this on
the book A Day with an Extraterrestrial. I always wondered whether an alien spacecraft travels at the speed of light or through wormholes. How does an alien go to the
bathroom, since I heard there aren't any bathrooms inside the ships?
(Lou) No there are no bathrooms.
(Mel) Because what they consume, the energy that they consume. Let's call it energy not food, is done in such an effient way that it's used one hundred percent without
any kind of...
(Lou) That's how I explained it in my book but when your in one of these spaceships, it's like your in the presence of god. You know there's no way of describing it.
The fact is physiology does not work the same way. It's not like your producing urine and waste and stuff like that it's... I haven't talked too much about it, this
might be the first. So it's where you are, that's what makes the difference. It's not who you are or what container your in. Having to go to the bathroom and stuff
like that.
(Mel) Oh ok.
(Lou) You don't have to do that when your in a higher dimension of existence. Your organs and stuff like that, do not work the same way they do here.
(Mel) Now how do you know that you are out there in a physical fashion and your body not left behind and that's why you don't have to go to the bathroom?
(Lou) Well you would know at that time but when you are returned you might not know that and chances are you will not know that.
(Mel) And this is the last question that just came in about ten minutes ago. So lucky you listener that the question came before the interview. Mel can we ask Lou why
are we the left over spiritual matter to create a spiritual being. Lou will know what this means, thanks Robert.
(Lou) Well we are not left over spiritual matter, we are not matter for one. We are spiritual and we are unique and we are moving up into other dimensions. There are
certain souls that remain on planes like this for extended periods of times but you know the majority move up.
(Mel) It almost sounds like the religious equivalent of purgatory right?
(Lou) Sure.
(Mel) What ever you want to call it. Well Lou we are out of time and I apprieciate that we extended somewhat just to address all these questions, that the listeners
had for years. I bet they really wanted to listen to the voice behind the books and the words that you have shared with them and the various forums. So is this a sign
that maybe you are back to interacting with them again?
(Lou) Well I'm still kind of waiting for the coffee break queen.
(Mel) What does that mean?
(Lou) (Laughs)
(Mel) For the layman.
(Lou) That's a term for Milton. Only the people who have been reading my site would catch that one.
(Mel) Got it, maybe I haven't read that part but Lou, last concluding remarks in the years on this plane that we call earth. Do you have any conclusions to share with
us?
(Lou) It's just the basics, do the right thing and get pardoned.
(Mel) Get pardoned as in confession or as in when you die?
(Lou) As in don't repeat coming down to places like this.
(Mel) If we could only have recollection even though you call it cheating.
(Lou) No recollection, ain't going to happen.
(Mel) Lou I really appreciate that you accepted my invitation and I know our listeners around the world would really enjoy this interview. I hope we can bring you back
in the future with more updates and discuss... And have future discussions.
(Lou) Could happen. This is Lou Baldin, I know the truth and good luck with disclosure.
(Mel) (Laughs) That's fine, hey Lou thanks a lot.
(Lou) Ok Mel this is a pleasure thankyou.
(Mel) Bye.
(Lou) Bye.
(Mel) That was Lou Baldin a very fascinating discussion. I know this will be a classic show. Although I must admit that it created many mental paradigm shifts for me.
Just as I thought I was starting to make sense of things. I want to thank John Lear for a very eloquent introduction to this show.
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