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    from 1957 – was this the first 'Indrid Cold'?
    the case of Valiant Thor.
    (this case is well know to many TOTers, yet in this new keelian context, worth a re-examination)

    as you'll see the contactee (you guessed it, dr. stranges) had extensive decades long contact with this entity,
    much like keel's point pleasant witness, woodward derenberger, from the mothman prophecies case.

    coincidence? fables? high strangeness? masquerades?
    absolutely, food for thought. yum.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tytnOJSNrqE


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJBplLLT4zA

    bonus round: whistleblower, Phil Schneider, tells what he knows.
    Val's brother, Don Thor, predating Val's arrival.

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    since the 70s, Jacque Vallee, french computer scientist, has been linked to john keel's ultra-high strangeness theory.
    back in 1978, Jerome Clark, assoc. editor at Fate Magazine, interviewed Vallee.

    listen to this exchange as Vallee lays out his belief that ETH (extra terrestrial hypothesis) is something bigger, stranger.
    (this is the link to the interview)

    Clark: ...When I asked you if there was such a thing as a solid, three-dimensional flying saucer,
    I was thinking in these terms: Let’s suppose that somebody says he has seen a UFO, the bottom part of which was flat and circular.
    He says he saw the object come down, settle on the soil and then fly off again, leaving a flat circular impression.
    Doesn’t that clearly suggest the presence – at least for the duration of the sighting –
    of a solid object whose physical structure was more or less as the witness perceived it?

    Vallee: Not necessarily.
    We have evidence that the phenomenon has the ability to create a distortion of the sense of reality or to substitute artificial sensations for the real ones.
    Look at some of the more bizarre close encounter cases –
    for example the incident from South America in which one man believed he had been abducted by a UFO
    while his companion thought he had boarded a bus which had suddenly appeared on the road behind then.

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    this is an interview with john keel protege, andy colvin.
    andy has compiled several collections of keel's writings
    and along the way has become a contemporary keelian expert.

    I didn't hold much hope for this conversation, but I was nicely surprised
    by the depth and background into keel's many beliefs.
    during the interview, andy relates that it was keel who first
    broke the cattle mutilation strangeness back in the early 60s,
    how keel was 'followed by a phenomena' ever since his mothman investigations
    and that he feels that this entity rubbed off on him and others.

    this conversation is dense, highly informative and a real treat. (worth a second listen)

    http://hiddenexperience.podbean.com/?s=john+keel

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    here's another incident from keel's research: the grinning man. (from the book, strange creatures from time and space.)

    is this entity one in the same -- the creepy Indrid Cold?

    as you'll read or hear, this skeptical author investigates keel's grinning man accounting and isn't impressed.
    and it goes to show, often keel had to rely on witness accounts alone, with no physical evidence.
    (keel developed a keen sense, deciphering authenticity from claptrap)
    keel looked for historical trends.
    I bet this grinning man incident would nicely reside in his 'elemental' hypothesis.*

    http://ec.libsyn.com/p/4/f/9/4f95f4f...7&c_id=5775316

    * from the book, operation trojan horse.

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    Jacque Vallee, french computer scientist, has been linked to john keel's ultra-high strangeness theory
    ... intriguing especially since Dr. Nolan told me of Vallees link to Bigelow Space program. He's definitely on the cutting edge of some science happening. So many secrets...but why?

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    Quote Originally posted by mojo View Post
    ... intriguing especially since Dr. Nolan told me of Vallees link to Bigelow Space program. He's definitely on the cutting edge of some science happening. So many secrets...but why?
    vallee believes (as did keel) that the real ET link is the ID, within our consciousness.

    wouldn't it be interesting if vallee and bigelow were investigating contact through the subconscious?
    this is still the final frontier.

    wonder if vallee has discussed any of his bigelow work?
    (bet it's all Top Secret)

    and btw: while I welcome others to visit and converse here, I consider this to be my own private thread,
    until the time it's ripped from my greasy keelian mitts!!!

    (of course, I jest)

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    we can be almost certain that it is top secret...and I did notice you were passionate about this thread....

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    Quote Originally posted by mojo View Post
    we can be almost certain that it is top secret...and I did notice you were passionate about this thread....
    I'm thinking about formally seceding this thread from TOT, until everyone else becomes sane like me
    (I jest again, of course)
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    so, what is jacque vallee doing with bigelow aerospace?

    from 2005, this vallee white paper may provide the answer.

    swipe and read* how vallee and associate take it to the SETI radio wave 'orthodoxy'
    and prescribe a '6 layer' approach to new ET exploration.
    and yes, he goes there -- embrace the paranormal.

    while not a tiptoeing through the tulips,
    this breakthrough scientific model outlines and prescribes how ET contact gets to the next level.

    would the US government be interested in this? probably not.
    would bigelow? I bet so.

    all of this embraces keel's belief system and plays to his wheelhouse.
    for years, he called for fresh thinking scientific analysis of this high-strangeness field of research.
    at the time, few listened.

    "Science fiction has familiarized us with the concept of machines (or beings)
    projecting an image of themselves that systematically confuses observers.
    One could imagine that [they] represent physical craft equipped with
    the means to interact both with the surrounding atmosphere
    and with the senses of observers in such a way
    as to convey a false image of their real nature."





    * to use text to speech, you may need to click on the link below the posted pdf and read it in a separate browser window
    or download it to your computer. worth the trouble. it is quite good.
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    Further down, you will find some interesting observations John Keel had made about events/dates, throughout his research.
    An introduction to 'Wednesdays Phenomena'...From the webpage, Technoprophecy Special Project.

    Love this thread, jimmer


    Keel along with J. Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallee became an influential albeit controversial force within the UFO community in the late-sixties and seventies arguing for the paraphysical hypothesis to the UFO puzzle.


    Wikipedia quotes Keel who wrote, "I abandoned the extraterrestrial hypothesis in 1967 when my own field investigations disclosed an astonishing overlap between psychic phenomena and UFOs... The objects and apparitions do not necessarily originate on another planet and may not even exist as permanent constructions of matter. It is more likely that we see what we want to see and interpret such visions according to our contemporary beliefs."


    Continuing to quote Wikipedia, "In UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse Keel argues that a non-human or spiritual intelligence source has staged whole events over a long period of time in order to propagate and reinforce certain erroneous belief systems. For example, the fairy faith in Middle Europe, vampire legends, mystery airships in 1897, mystery aeroplanes of the 1930s, mystery helicopters, anomalous creature sightings, poltergeist phenomena, balls of light and UFOs. Keel conjectures that ultimately all of these anomalies are a cover for the real phenomenon."


    The Mothman Prophecies chronicle the 1966-67 encounters with an anomalous winged entity in Point Pleasant, West Virginia. In his investigations, Keel discovered what he labeled the "vital clue" - that a link exists between Mothman and the UFOs he and others witnessed appearing concurrently in and around Point Pleasant.


    Keel argues strongly for the paraphysicality of UFOs, that is, that the objects are not composed of solid matter. Quoting from Mothman, "They are transmogrifications of energy under the control of some unknown extradimensional intelligence."


    Keel theorizes the UFO/paraphysical phenomenon manipulates the electromagnetic spectrum and something he describes as the "superspectrum".


    In both Trojan Horse and Mothman, Keel uncovers a fascinating curiosity he called "the Wednesday phenomenon".


    It is to the Wednesday phenomena that we now turn your attention.


    I began seriously thinking whether Keel's discovery of the Wednesday phenomenon represented true reality, or whether it too was a camouflage fostered by the UFO phenomenon.


    What exactly is the Wednesday phenomenon?


    The Wednesday phenomenon simply stated is that the greatest number of UFO sightings take place on Wednesday - about 20%. That percentage, says Keel, is "well beyond the laws of chance and averages."


    Keel goes further - "the best time to see a UFO [is] 10PM on a Wednesday."


    Keel is even more specific...


    "So if you are eager to see a genuine example of our phenomenon, pick a good Wednesday or Saturday evening, visit the highest ground in the area closest to you which has a magnetic fault, and watch the sky around 10PM. The best times are the last two weeks in March and the first two weeks in April, all of July-August, the last two weeks in October, and the first weeks in November and December."


    The following are a few more relevant quotes by Keel.


    "UFO events seem to occur century after century in the same geographical locations. A majority of these events took place on Wednesdays and Saturdays and were concentrated around the hours of 6 P.M., 8 P.M., and 10 P.M. These facts in themselves are proof that the phenomenon is guided by an intelligence and that the individual events form part of a larger plan."


    "The Wednesday phenomenon is quite evident in the historical events as well as in the contemporary sightings. A disproportionate number of UFO events seem to be concentrated on Wednesdays and Saturdays, particularly the landing and contact cases. The frequency of the Wednesday-Saturday events immediately removes the phenomenon from a framework of chance or coincidence. After I discovered this basic pattern in 1966-67, other researchers checked it with their own data and verified it. Historian Lucius Farish uncovered a number of early statements and cases which further indicated that this Wednesday phenomenon had been observed and reported upon long ago. In Myth and Legend of Ancient Israel, by Angelo S. Rappaport, the following statement appears:

    Concerning "demons": They lodge in trees, caper bushes, in gardens, vineyards, in ruined and desolate houses, and dirty places. To go alone into such places is dangerous, and the eves of Wednesday and Saturday were considered dangerous times. Agrath [daughter of the she-demon Makhlath] commands hosts of evil spirits and demons and rides in a big chariot. Her power is paramount on Wednesdays and Saturdays, for on these days Agrath, the daughter of Makhlath, roves about in the air accompanied by eighteen myriads of evil spirits."


    "If the UFO phenomenon had a purely psychological basis, then there should be more sightings on Saturday night when more people are out of doors, traveling to and from entertainments, etc. Instead we find that the greatest number of sightings are reported on Wednesday, and then they slowly taper off through the rest of week."


    "Psychic and occult events seem to follow the same cycles as the UFO phenomenon. The Wednesday-Saturday phenomenon exists in all the frames of reference. For some reason, the twenty fourth days of April, June, September, November, and December seem to produce exceptional activity year after year. It is probable that manifestations are dependent upon unknown conditions which have an electromagnetic basis."


    There it is in the last quote! Lets read it again. Keel said, "Psychic and occult events seem to follow the same cycles as the UFO phenomenon."


    If that last statement is taken as the hypothesis, and part of the cycle that is common between UFO and paraphysical events is the Wednesday phenomenon. Then the hypothesis can be tested statistically and brought up to date.


    If the Wednesday phenomenon holds, then perhaps the paraphysical hypothesis to the UFO puzzle can be substantiated with a very strong statistical inference.


    For why would UFO events appear side-by-side in the same time sequence pattern as paraphysical events unless a relationship exists between the two frames of reference?


    That is the million dollar question...

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    excellent and most welcomed research into the keel principles, samos.
    the more we look into his thinking, the more the 'unknown' makes sense.
    light bulb on, stuff.

    keel was not a scientist, allowing many ufologist to knock him.
    he was an observer, cataloger, analyzer and keen objective thinker,
    challenging the norms when required and not caring if feathers were ruffled.

    he had the gumption to take on the entire established ufo-field thinking, because he proved them wrong.
    and many thought he was a genius for it, while an equal part did all they could to discredit him for rocking their very core.
    before OTH came out, the ETH (extra-terrestrial hypothesis) was all the rage.
    it had become dictum.
    the release of OTH launched a war of words that really hasn't ended to this day.

    below is a link to two book reviews of Operation Trojan Horse (1970).

    as you will read, keel was either a genius or a misguided dufus.
    the battle lines were drawn.

    today, we see that same thing going on in the sasquatch research field --
    the clash between establishment 'bigfoot hunters' and the sentient-being believing, 'habituants.'
    and so it goes.

    at the page top, a positive, glowing review.
    at the page bottom, a very negative review.

    (I challenge anyone to read the latter and not laugh. you'll see what I mean.)



    http://magonia.haaan.com/2009/oth/
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    Bravo Jimmer on the posts...

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    Quote Originally posted by mojo View Post
    Bravo Jimmer on the posts...
    what's your opinion on all of this, mojo?

    crackpot or crack-on?

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    if you read the previous posted book reviews of keel's Operation Trojan Horse
    and thought that Alan Sharp's thoughts were at least nasty
    or more like simply scientifically crazy with hate,
    would you be interested to read john keel's response?

    if so, below is a link to archived back and forth correspondence,
    first directed to the editor of the leading british ufology magazine of the time
    and later directed at his brit nemesis, alan sharp.

    as you'll read, after OTH was released,
    ufologist throughout america attempted and succeeded to ban keel
    from many of their publications, organizations and events.

    sounds much like what sasquatch ontario's mike paterson is currently confronted with.



    http://magonia.haaan.com/2009/keel1/

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    Jimmer crack-on!....

    An interesting article written by Eric & Jaques.

    Here's 3 of the more interesting points wanted to touch on.

    1.
    No experiment can distinguish between phenomena manifested
    by visiting interstellar (arbitrarily advanced) ETI and intelligent entities that may exist near
    Earth within a parallel universe or in different dimensions, or who are (terrestrial) time
    travelers.
    Wonder if the research at the Skinwalker ranch brought this new change in studies?

    2.
    Kuiper (1977) and Freitas (1980) suggest that ETs/UAP visiting Earth would find it necessary
    to hide themselves from our detection mechanisms until they have assessed our technological
    layer or potential threat and hazards. They would employ an adaptive multi-layer risk program
    to avoid danger. Low observable stealth such as simple camouflage through mimicry, which
    works well in nature, may be the technique of choice for visiting UAP/ETI experienced in
    surveillance (Stride, 1998).
    This hypothesis is totally inline with my observations. They definitely use mimicry andhave total situational awareness of the location they are performing current studies/contact at.

    3. their conclusion:
    The question then becomes: to what
    extent are these effects evidence of a purposeful action of the operators? To answer this
    question, and to test more fully the hypothesis that UAP phenomena are both physical and
    psychic in nature, we need much better investigations, a great upgrading of data quality, and a
    more informed analysis not only of the object being described, but of the impact of the
    observation on the witnesses and their social environment.
    Would love to see success in the mission but unfortunately feel the infighting in the field of paranormal research will hinder working together. And his last sentence if we use Youtube as a guide, there is no real effort to contact & gather witness obsevations from contactees/abductees so not sure how Jacques would reply about his own conclusion?
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