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    Quote Originally posted by Spiral View Post
    Here ya go Babs !

    Contains the odd swear word

    Bundy Ranch - Sen. Harry Reid and his 5 Billion Chinese Solar Panel Deal!


    Thanks Spiral. . . . only hope that the average american will realize this isn't just a Harry Reid thing. Yes, old Harry misused his power, and probably our money, but it's what they all are doing. Harry just happened to get caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Not that I think it shouldn't suffer the consequences of his actions, but -that probably won't change much. It's time to recognize how deeply flawed our system is.

    Modwiz: A report officially stating the obvious situation is the USA. Anyone who thinks voting is a solution to the problem in the USA is watching TV.

    Exactly, this is one of my biggest frustrations. So many in this country still think in terms of: "We've got to get ( Bush, Obama, or you fill in the blank) -out of office, and THEN everything will be all right. . . . I keep hoping that any day now, they will get it. Those who went to help Bundy got it.
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    Here is a short interview of a Nevada legislator by Chris Hayes of Hardball MSNBC. Correction is bringing sharp minds to the front. She not only handles him well, he exposes his govt agenda by trying to frame the conversation in govt stands for law.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" -- Voltaire

    "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."-- Eleanor Roosevelt

    "Misery loves company. Wisdom has to look for it." -- Anonymous

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    Quote Originally posted by BabaRa View Post
    Thanks Spiral. . . . only hope that the average american will realize this isn't just a Harry Reid thing. Yes, old Harry misused his power, and probably our money, but it's what they all are doing. Harry just happened to get caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Not that I think it shouldn't suffer the consequences of his actions, but -that probably won't change much. It's time to recognize how deeply flawed our system is.
    What amazes me is that most Americans seem to think they live in a democracy, when they don't, they live in a Republic, and there are important differences, mainly that a Republic has a constitution to protect the rights of minorities and they need to remember that, for all of humanities sake.

    Recent studies make it all the more important that those rights are upheld & not consigned to history, two US university studies show America to be an Oligarchy !

    http://www.vice.com/read/shock-news-...s-an-oligarchy

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    important statement mentioned here for everyone.

    do we believe in the authority(of the power structure) not just the federal government,the police,the courts and the politicians.
    all we see all over the world is the politicians feathering their nest eggs pretending to care for those that have voted for them.

    but people do,why because they are given a limited choice in their vote,does not matter who gets in they become puppets.
    maybe a new politician goes in with a good heart and new ideas,but see how quick they turn and go against what they promised.
    at the expense of your vote.
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    Harry Reid caught taking Bribes.


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    do we believe in the authority(of the power structure) not just the federal government,the police,the courts and the politicians.
    all we see all over the world is the politicians feathering their nest eggs pretending to care for those that have voted for them.
    Everything is "Defacto". Think of it this way - if they wear a costume (black robes, uniform etc.) their false actors and "snakes in suits" are all over. They have power because many of the people believe they have power. I think the Bundy's know the scam the politicians pulled with the Act of 1871 since the banksters civil war debt was not paid. Bundy's family owned the property since 1870.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fnews/813840/posts

    Will Clive Bundy, a Mormon start talking it is unlawful for the Federal Government to own land other than the 10 square miles in the District of Columbia? Will he expose the alphabet agencies who pretend they are the government, including the BLM are all actually private corporations? Will the media report it if he talks? This remains to be seen.

    If anyone wants to call it the "NWO" be certain it is centers in Washington DC and is being led by this outfit: http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/

    The Atlantic Council has their man inside, the Russian Mikhail Kasyanov who opposes Vladimir Putin. Showdown time: Atlantic Council vs Vladimir Putin: http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/event...foreign-policy After reading Mikhail Kasyanov bio it should be understood why he is being vetted by the Atlantic Council: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Kasyanov

    Check the Atlantic Councils leadership. The chairman is Jon M. Huntsman, Jr. Huntsman comes out of a long history of the Mormons: http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/about/board-of-directors
    The other big chief at the Atlantic Council is Mormon Frederick Kempe.

    In case anyone is wondering, Mormons are disproportionately represented in the CIA. At 5.8 million Mormons their numbers are up 1.56 percent. Recruitment? Really gets you thinking what is really going on in Nevada.


    Here is a website with the government documents proving gubbermint shenanigans those in Washington keep hidden from the people. http://anticorruptionsociety.com/

    The early 1970's Congressional Hearings Chaired by Senator Frank Church exposed the CIA and their weapons, including a special gun that fired a frozen pellet to give someone a heart attack that would kill them leaving no evidence (videos still on YT about the Church hearings) and pdf here: http://anticorruptionsociety.files.w...t-93-549_0.pdf

    The US is a corporation in receivership owned by the International banksters since 1933 when the country went in bankruptcy. It's in the Senate Record 1933. When Congressman James Traficant (a former Sheriff from Ohio) exposed it again on the floor March 17, 1993 they conjured up false charges against him and tossed him in jail 7 years to shut him up. http://anticorruptionsociety.files.w...-the-unite.pdf

    If this post is too much to read, make sure you read this link. You'll get the picture. http://anticorruptionsociety.files.w...-the-unite.pdf

    If you’ve never seen the 2003 documentary “The Corporation”, you are in for a real education. It is free online. When the nation was formed, if you wanted to start a business you had to apply for a Charter from the State you operated in. The Charter was issued for a specific time period, your business had to provide benefit for the people first and profit second; therefore, signatures were required from the people to apply for a Charter and again for renewal. If the people would NOT sign at renewal, you were out of business.

    Around 1880 Rockefeller, Standard Oil of Ohio and Carnegie Steel of Pittsburgh, PA applied to the States of Delaware and New Jersey to do business as a Trust. Back then Delaware was the only State where the people CAN NOT vote on changes to their Constitution and still can't today. That is why so many Corporations are headquartered in Delaware as the Legislature controls. New Jersey Legislature were too slow and the bribes too low for them to get their act together. Before the turn of the century, 100's of companies flocked to DE and were registered as Corporations.

    There is a lawsuit filed in the District of Columbia to dissolve all Corporations. I haven't followed if of late and I think it's still pending.

    Karen Hudes in on the right track and has succeeded in getting the gold out of hiding. She has posted all the secret documents on the internet for the world to see. Naturally, the attacks on her have accelerated to discredit her especially since she exposed the "critters" that have been on earth a long time (non-humans possessing high mathematical intelligence) behind the banksters perpetrating all the wars, coupled with all the false flags before and after 9/11. The bloody paths lead to Rome.
    http://anticorruptionsociety.com/?pa...=60941#respond

    When your finished reading the above link, scroll to the top and read down. Click around for more info.
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    Bundy Ranch: Granny Faces Down Federal Guns




    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsCChkpG9QM


    Published on 21 Apr 2014

    Meet Patty Lewis the Great Grandmother who drove from Arizona to face off against federal guns at the Bundy Ranch Stand off... she said at Bundy Ranch the Feds, "pointed their guns right at my forehead."

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    I don't like the look of this

    Burning Man Organizer Plans 250 Band 'BundyFest'! Sept. 5th, Next To Bundy Ranch!


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    Excellent ... hope this wakes up a few ... but we need to share it ... not from a popular source.

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    The Bundy Paradigm: Will You Be a Rebel, Revolutionary or a Slave?

    By John W. Whitehead
    April 21, 2014



    “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”—John F. Kennedy

    Those tempted to write off the standoff at the Bundy Ranch as little more than a show of force by militia-minded citizens would do well to reconsider their easy dismissal of this brewing rebellion. This goes far beyond concerns about grazing rights or the tension between the state and the federal government.

    Few conflicts are ever black and white, and the Bundy situation, with its abundance of gray areas, is no exception. Yet the question is not whether Cliven Bundy and his supporters are domestic terrorists, as Harry Reid claims, or patriots, or something in between. Nor is it a question of whether the Nevada rancher is illegally grazing his cattle on federal land or whether that land should rightfully belong to the government. Nor is it even a question of who’s winning the showdown— the government with its arsenal of SWAT teams, firepower and assault vehicles, or Bundy’s militia supporters with their assortment of weapons—because if such altercations end in bloodshed, everyone loses.

    What we’re really faced with, and what we’ll see more of before long, is a growing dissatisfaction with the government and its heavy-handed tactics by people who are tired of being used and abused and are ready to say “enough is enough.” And it won’t matter what the issue is—whether it’s a rancher standing his ground over grazing rights, a minister jailed for holding a Bible study in his own home, or a community outraged over police shootings of unarmed citizens—these are the building blocks of a political powder keg. Now all that remains is a spark, and it need not be a very big one, to set the whole powder keg aflame.

    As I show in my book A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State, there’s a subtext to this incident that must not be ignored, and it is simply this: America is a pressure cooker with no steam valve, and things are about to blow. This is what happens when a parasitical government muzzles the citizenry, fences them in, herds them, brands them, whips them into submission, forces them to ante up the sweat of their brows while giving them little in return, and then provides them with little to no outlet for voicing their discontent.

    The government has been anticipating and preparing for such an uprising for years. For example, in 2008, a U.S. Army War College report warned that the military must be prepared for a “violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States,” which could be provoked by “unforeseen economic collapse,” “purposeful domestic resistance,” “pervasive public health emergencies” or “loss of functioning political and legal order”—all related to dissent and protests over America’s economic and political disarray. Consequently, predicted the report, the “widespread civil violence would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security.”

    One year later, in 2009, the Department of Homeland Security under President Obama issued its infamous reports on Rightwing and Leftwing “Extremism.” According to these reports, an extremist is defined as anyone who subscribes to a particular political viewpoint. Rightwing extremists, for example, are broadly defined in the report as individuals and groups “that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely.”

    Despite “no specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence,” the DHS listed a number of scenarios that could arise as a result of so-called rightwing extremists playing on the public’s fears and discontent over various issues, including the economic downturn, real estate foreclosures and unemployment.

    Equally disconcerting, the reports use the words “terrorist” and “extremist” interchangeably. In other words, voicing what the government would consider to be extremist viewpoints is tantamount to being a terrorist. Under such a definition, I could very well be considered a terrorist. So too could John Lennon, Martin Luther King Jr., Roger Baldwin (founder of the ACLU), Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson and Samuel Adams—all of these men protested and passionately spoke out against government practices with which they disagreed and would be prime targets under this document.

    The document also took pains to describe the political views of those who would qualify as being a rightwing extremist. For example, you are labeled a rightwing extremist if you voice concerns about a myriad of issues including: policy changes under President Obama; the economic downturn and home foreclosures; the loss of U.S. jobs in manufacturing and construction sectors; and social issues such as abortion, interracial crimes and immigration. DHS also issued a red-flag warning against anyone who promotes “conspiracy theories involving declarations of martial law, impending civil strife or racial conflict, suspension of the U.S. Constitution, and the creation of citizen detention camps.”

    Fast forward five years, with all that has transpired, from the Occupy Protests and the targeting of military veterans to domestic surveillance, especially of activist-oriented groups and now, most recently, the Bundy Ranch showdown, and it would seem clear that the government has not veered one iota from its original playbook. Indeed, the government’s full-blown campaign of surveillance of Americans’ internet activity, phone calls, etc., makes complete sense in hindsight.

    All that we have been subjected to in recent years—living under the shadow of NSA spying; motorists strip searched and anally probed on the side of the road; innocent Americans spied upon while going about their daily business in schools and stores; homeowners having their doors kicked in by militarized SWAT teams serving routine warrants—illustrates how the government deals with people it views as potential “extremists”: with heavy-handed tactics designed to intimidate the populace into submission and discourage anyone from stepping out of line or challenging the status quo.

    It’s not just the Cliven Bundys of the world who are being dealt with in this manner. Don Miller, a 91-year-old antiques collector, recently had his Indiana home raided by the FBI, ostensibly because it might be in the nation’s best interest if the rare and valuable antiques and artifacts Miller had collected over the course of 80 years were cared for by the government. Such tactics carried out by anyone other than the government would be considered grand larceny, and yet the government gets a free pass.

    In the same way, the government insists it can carry out all manner of surveillance on us—listen in on our phone calls, read our emails and text messages, track our movements, photograph our license plates, even enter our biometric information into DNA databases—but those who dare to return the favor, even a little, by filming potential police misconduct, get roughed up by the police, arrested, charged with violating various and sundry crimes.

    When law enforcement officials—not just the police, but every agent of the government entrusted with enforcing laws, from the president on down—are allowed to discard the law when convenient, and the only ones having to obey the law are the citizenry and not the enforcers, then the law becomes only a tool to punish us, rather than binding and controlling the government, as it was intended.

    This phenomenon is what philosopher Abraham Kaplan referred to as the law of the instrument, which essentially says that to a hammer, everything looks like a nail. In the scenario that has been playing out in recent years, we the citizenry have become the nails to be hammered by the government’s henchmen, a.k.a. its guns for hire, a.k.a. its standing army, a.k.a. the nation’s law enforcement agencies.

    Indeed, there can no longer be any doubt that militarized police officers, the end product of the government—federal, local and state—and law enforcement agencies having merged, have become a “standing” or permanent army, composed of full-time professional soldiers who do not disband. Yet these permanent armies are exactly what those who drafted the U.S. Constitution feared as tools used by despotic governments to wage war against its citizens.

    That is exactly what we are witnessing today: a war against the American citizenry. Is it any wonder then that Americans are starting to resist?

    More and more, Americans are tired, frustrated, anxious, and worried about the state of their country. They are afraid of an increasingly violent and oppressive federal government, and they are worried about the economic insecurity which still grips the nation. And they’re growing increasingly sick of being treated like suspects and criminals. As former law professor John Baker, who has studied the growing problem of overcriminalization, noted, “There is no one in the United States over the age of 18 who cannot be indicted for some federal crime. That is not an exaggeration.”

    To make matters worse, a recent scientific study by Princeton researchers confirms that the United States of America is not the democracy that is purports to be, but rather an oligarchy, in which “economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy.” As PolicyMic explains, “An oligarchy is a system where power is effectively wielded by a small number of individuals defined by their status called oligarchs. Members of the oligarchy are the rich, the well connected and the politically powerful, as well as particularly well placed individuals in institutions like banking and finance or the military… In other words, their statistics say your opinion literally does not matter.”

    So if average Americans, having largely lost all of the conventional markers of influencing government, whether through elections, petition, or protest, have no way to impact their government, no way to be heard, no assurance that their concerns are truly being represented and their government is one “by the people, of the people, and for the people,” as opposed to being engineered expressly for the benefit of the wealthy elite, then where does that leave them?

    To some, the choice is clear. As psychologist Erich Fromm recognized in his insightful book, On Disobedience: “If a man can only obey and not disobey, he is a slave; if he can only disobey and not obey, he is a rebel (not a revolutionary). He acts out of anger, disappointment, resentment, yet not in the name of a conviction or a principle.”

    Unfortunately, the intrepid, revolutionary American spirit that stood up to the British, blazed paths to the western territories, and prevailed despite a civil war, multiple world wars, and various economic depressions has taken quite a beating in recent years. Nevertheless, the time is coming when each American will have to decide: will you be a slave, rebel or revolutionary?


    https://www.rutherford.org/publicati...ary_or_a_slave

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    Quote Originally posted by Spiral View Post
    I don't like the look of this

    Burning Man Organizer Plans 250 Band 'BundyFest'! Sept. 5th, Next To Bundy Ranch!


    Yikes! . . . whether Burning Man Fest is pro or con Bundy, I don't know, but . . . . this event is pretty well known for lots of drugs - and when folks get high - all bets are off - and when lots of folks get high in an already tense situation - it wouldn't take much for an agent provacateur to shape things to take off in the desired direction.

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    On the other hand, Burning Man is like a melting pot for all kinds of creative thinking. There is no knowing what might be unleashed from the cauldron this time! And it may not be bad at all.

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    The guy who originally started Burning Man was given a lengthy interview on the BBC (radio) a few weeks back. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing either.

    I have to admit I knew almost nothing about Burning Man before then. Well, I'd heard of the name but didn't know what it was.

    My suspicious mind is already guessing that a huge mega festival there will eventually replace the real and sound issues being balanced right now with a populist bundle of replacement issues.

    Remember, the government has to build the idea that the 'public land' is 'universal', NOT just a cattle run for a tiny minority. TV images of thousands of the kind of people the city dwellers can relate to will hoover up a lot of mainstream opinion and make the government look right. Also, as soon there are a lot of music fans on the ground there, it won't take much for someone to get up on the stage there and make a "Bono-esk" speech to the crowd celebrating the future use of the land to generate CLEAN electricity.

    Something as big as festival will out-scale the Bundy story and effectively hijack it.

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    There have been many video's made of the Burning Man Festival

    Here's one. It's a good representation.


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    I think Burning man is just todays Woodstock, which was a CIA mind control psy-op, anyone not familiar with that story needs to & look up Laurel Canyon too.



    Bundy Ranch: People's Task Force Formed


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R3A-VnfoE0


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R3A-VnfoE0

    Published on 23 Apr 2014

    Pete Santilli joins Gary Franchi to discuss the latest from he Bundy Ranch Federal Stand off and announce the formation of "The People's Task Force"

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